Anonymous
Post 09/16/2022 16:03     Subject: Re:Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI
So, who was it who lied their ass off to NARA like this?
“Months before National Archives officials found hundreds of classified documents they retrieved from former president Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club, they were told that none of the material was sensitive or classified and that Trump only had 12 boxes of “news clippings,” according to people familiar with the conversations between Trump’s team and the Archives.”
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2022 15:11     Subject: Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is going to SCOTUS. Trump personally asked all his appointees to protect him, in whatever twisted innuendo he came up with. Trump will cause a constitutional crisis so long as he is alive.


I am not so sure SCOTUS will bend to Trump on this. The justices are secure from retaliation from Trump, the people they really listen to is FedSoc. However convenient it may have been in the past for FedSoc to align with Trump, they may have enough concerns about how the precedent Trump would have set here could be used against their interests later than they don’t pressure the justices to go Trump’s way on this.


I agree. Both the 11th Circuit and especially the GOP SCOTUS justices have different incentives than Cannon (and let's be clear, this is all about the personal interests of these Trump judges- they don't care one bit about the law). Cannon is running a pure careerist move. For her, if TFG or another MAGA is elected again, she will be rewarded for her loyalty with a promotion. If not, then she loses nothing and keeps her lifetime appointment. That incentive is much lower for a circuit judge and basically non-existent for a justice. Those folks are looking at the longer term interests of the conservative movement, and undermining the national security state by taking a wrecking ball to decades-long precedent about classified information and executive privilege is not good for that.

And let's all remember, whatever is good for the goose, is good for the gander. Her ruling can work both ways. Is that what the GOP are going to back? Are we Hungary?


By all means, send the FBI to the homes of any living POTUS to take back any govt property they illegally took home with them. Nevermind classified docs.

I'll wait


The only living POTUS is Biden. So no the FBI is not going to raid Biden at the White House. Sitting president per SCOTUS above the law- Sovereign Immunity cannot commit a legal wrong and is immune from civil suit or criminal prosecution'.

Let’s see living ex presidents …Jimmy Carter(what would he steal?), Bill Clinton(too smart), George W. Bush(maybe he took a pen), Barack Obama(too clean) and Donald Trump. Statue of limitation for stealing US Government property 7 years.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2022 15:02     Subject: Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What does this do to any on going investigation of people who are stealing classified documents? Seems like anyone convicted of having classified documents needs to appeal.


If they get the same treatment as Trump, it makes it essentially impossible to even conduct an investigation, much less prosecute them. They can bottle up all the evidence with a special master while they argue whether it is really classified, whether maybe it's privileged (can't just take DOJ's word for it that classified documents aren't subject to spousal privilege!), etc. If you take it seriously, the Espionage Act is a dead letter.


Do you think SCOTUS will overturn established precedent with regard to treating everyone the same or say this only applies to this case? They seem to like do that.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2022 15:00     Subject: Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is going to SCOTUS. Trump personally asked all his appointees to protect him, in whatever twisted innuendo he came up with. Trump will cause a constitutional crisis so long as he is alive.


I am not so sure SCOTUS will bend to Trump on this. The justices are secure from retaliation from Trump, the people they really listen to is FedSoc. However convenient it may have been in the past for FedSoc to align with Trump, they may have enough concerns about how the precedent Trump would have set here could be used against their interests later than they don’t pressure the justices to go Trump’s way on this.


I agree. Both the 11th Circuit and especially the GOP SCOTUS justices have different incentives than Cannon (and let's be clear, this is all about the personal interests of these Trump judges- they don't care one bit about the law). Cannon is running a pure careerist move. For her, if TFG or another MAGA is elected again, she will be rewarded for her loyalty with a promotion. If not, then she loses nothing and keeps her lifetime appointment. That incentive is much lower for a circuit judge and basically non-existent for a justice. Those folks are looking at the longer term interests of the conservative movement, and undermining the national security state by taking a wrecking ball to decades-long precedent about classified information and executive privilege is not good for that.

And let's all remember, whatever is good for the goose, is good for the gander. Her ruling can work both ways. Is that what the GOP are going to back? Are we Hungary?


By all means, send the FBI to the homes of any living POTUS to take back any govt property they illegally took home with them. Nevermind classified docs.

I'll wait


If there's probable cause they stole government property, there would be nothing wrong with that. Are you aware of any evidence to that effect?
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2022 14:56     Subject: Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is going to SCOTUS. Trump personally asked all his appointees to protect him, in whatever twisted innuendo he came up with. Trump will cause a constitutional crisis so long as he is alive.


I am not so sure SCOTUS will bend to Trump on this. The justices are secure from retaliation from Trump, the people they really listen to is FedSoc. However convenient it may have been in the past for FedSoc to align with Trump, they may have enough concerns about how the precedent Trump would have set here could be used against their interests later than they don’t pressure the justices to go Trump’s way on this.


I agree. Both the 11th Circuit and especially the GOP SCOTUS justices have different incentives than Cannon (and let's be clear, this is all about the personal interests of these Trump judges- they don't care one bit about the law). Cannon is running a pure careerist move. For her, if TFG or another MAGA is elected again, she will be rewarded for her loyalty with a promotion. If not, then she loses nothing and keeps her lifetime appointment. That incentive is much lower for a circuit judge and basically non-existent for a justice. Those folks are looking at the longer term interests of the conservative movement, and undermining the national security state by taking a wrecking ball to decades-long precedent about classified information and executive privilege is not good for that.

And let's all remember, whatever is good for the goose, is good for the gander. Her ruling can work both ways. Is that what the GOP are going to back? Are we Hungary?


By all means, send the FBI to the homes of any living POTUS to take back any govt property they illegally took home with them. Nevermind classified docs.

I'll wait
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2022 14:55     Subject: Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI
Anonymous wrote:What does this do to any on going investigation of people who are stealing classified documents? Seems like anyone convicted of having classified documents needs to appeal.


If they get the same treatment as Trump, it makes it essentially impossible to even conduct an investigation, much less prosecute them. They can bottle up all the evidence with a special master while they argue whether it is really classified, whether maybe it's privileged (can't just take DOJ's word for it that classified documents aren't subject to spousal privilege!), etc. If you take it seriously, the Espionage Act is a dead letter.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2022 14:53     Subject: Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI
What about Snowden? Any classified documents now need to be reviewed by a neutral party. That party will make the determination if the documents should be classified. LOL!
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2022 14:53     Subject: Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI
Anonymous wrote:What does this do to any on going investigation of people who are stealing classified documents? Seems like anyone convicted of having classified documents needs to appeal.


Yup, their appeal should say that just because Govt says it is classified does not mean a document is.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2022 14:50     Subject: Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI
Hello petraeus
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2022 14:49     Subject: Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI
What does this do to any on going investigation of people who are stealing classified documents? Seems like anyone convicted of having classified documents needs to appeal.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2022 14:49     Subject: Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is going to SCOTUS. Trump personally asked all his appointees to protect him, in whatever twisted innuendo he came up with. Trump will cause a constitutional crisis so long as he is alive.


I am not so sure SCOTUS will bend to Trump on this. The justices are secure from retaliation from Trump, the people they really listen to is FedSoc. However convenient it may have been in the past for FedSoc to align with Trump, they may have enough concerns about how the precedent Trump would have set here could be used against their interests later than they don’t pressure the justices to go Trump’s way on this.


I agree. Both the 11th Circuit and especially the GOP SCOTUS justices have different incentives than Cannon (and let's be clear, this is all about the personal interests of these Trump judges- they don't care one bit about the law). Cannon is running a pure careerist move. For her, if TFG or another MAGA is elected again, she will be rewarded for her loyalty with a promotion. If not, then she loses nothing and keeps her lifetime appointment. That incentive is much lower for a circuit judge and basically non-existent for a justice. Those folks are looking at the longer term interests of the conservative movement, and undermining the national security state by taking a wrecking ball to decades-long precedent about classified information and executive privilege is not good for that.

And let's all remember, whatever is good for the goose, is good for the gander. Her ruling can work both ways. Is that what the GOP are going to back? Are we Hungary?


How many Democrats Presidents you think would what Trump did? GOP is betting that there is none!
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2022 14:48     Subject: Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Can Biden reclassify them?


The judge does not recognize the federal government as being able to classify documents. Threat is what she said. Only trump can do it.

Why trump does not start issuing pardons is very confusing. The conservatives judges would recognize these pardons as legal and it would stop all investigation of trump.


Who's going to file a FOIA request for the MAL documents now that we know they're not really classified?


There have already been a bunch. I saw a response from DHS the other day to one of them (can't find now) that said they were unable to find any responsive documents.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2022 14:45     Subject: Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is going to SCOTUS. Trump personally asked all his appointees to protect him, in whatever twisted innuendo he came up with. Trump will cause a constitutional crisis so long as he is alive.


I am not so sure SCOTUS will bend to Trump on this. The justices are secure from retaliation from Trump, the people they really listen to is FedSoc. However convenient it may have been in the past for FedSoc to align with Trump, they may have enough concerns about how the precedent Trump would have set here could be used against their interests later than they don’t pressure the justices to go Trump’s way on this.


I agree. Both the 11th Circuit and especially the GOP SCOTUS justices have different incentives than Cannon (and let's be clear, this is all about the personal interests of these Trump judges- they don't care one bit about the law). Cannon is running a pure careerist move. For her, if TFG or another MAGA is elected again, she will be rewarded for her loyalty with a promotion. If not, then she loses nothing and keeps her lifetime appointment. That incentive is much lower for a circuit judge and basically non-existent for a justice. Those folks are looking at the longer term interests of the conservative movement, and undermining the national security state by taking a wrecking ball to decades-long precedent about classified information and executive privilege is not good for that.

And let's all remember, whatever is good for the goose, is good for the gander. Her ruling can work both ways. Is that what the GOP are going to back? Are we Hungary?
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2022 14:32     Subject: Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Can Biden reclassify them?


The judge does not recognize the federal government as being able to classify documents. Threat is what she said. Only trump can do it.

Why trump does not start issuing pardons is very confusing. The conservatives judges would recognize these pardons as legal and it would stop all investigation of trump.


Who's going to file a FOIA request for the MAL documents now that we know they're not really classified?


NYT
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2022 14:11     Subject: Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI
I would say Nixon was charismatic. It certainly wasn't his handsome face that got him elected. He was also a talented politician. Just fatally flawed. Similar in my mind to Clinton. Great POTUS, just an achillies heel for the ladies.