Anonymous
Post 05/30/2021 13:35     Subject: Why don’t Americans give a f*** about what they eat?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I lived in 5 industrial countries, other than in the U.S. it is not like this in all of them!
What a thing to say!
Maybe in fatso England!


No. First, learn how to quote in a thread so that people can tell what you are attempting to respond to/address.

You are wrong. And I don't believe you have lived in those 5 countries. Name them: go head.

United States, Canada, Norway, Czech Republic, Croatia.
And nobody cares about your grammar policing.


It isn't grammar: it is learning to hit the quote button on the upper right of the text box so that people can see which thread you were responding to in your reply. And it looks like you've figured this out.

Czechia is the perfect example of a country in which the majority of people were slim until junk food options emerged and became widespread, and now the country is facing ever-increasing obesity rates. They have one of the highest rates of obesity in Europe now.

When my grandma was growing up in Prague, everyone was slim because...there were no other options. And you know what? While one could say that their government did ensure that people did not make unhealthy food choices, this government also implemented many undeniably undesirable policies and rules.

Education about nutrition is the answer. If you lived in Czech Republic, you will know that nobody wants bigger government.

Anonymous
Post 05/30/2021 13:29     Subject: Why don’t Americans give a f*** about what they eat?


And how’s that working for us? Oh, wait, it doesn’t. It simply doesn’t work because we have 40+% of population obese and a very sickly last generations.
And to say that it’s because they’re all irresponsible slobs who made poor choices is basically avoiding responsibility as a country, as a system.


Yes, they are responsible. All of them. It’s working great for us. We feed our kids healthy meals , don’t overeat, and exercise regularly. It is completely doable to be healthy if you make it a priority. I can’t help those that don’t. But let that 40% wait for the government to make them healthier. That’ll work out just great for their health

Translation:
Yes, I am rich and I am educated and had time to look into this. While paying for my nails and hair to be done between the gym and a walk with friends. I have money to buy healthy food, and time to get it ready of pay someone to get it done.

Real life translation: I am rich, effe off.


Again, won't take responsibility because you think eating well is only for the rich. It's so easy to blame other people - rich, government, schools, other. It is on you. Period.

And yes, I work a full time job. A busy one. I don't have time for hair or nails, or the gym. Why? Because I put other things - like making food for my family - first. So I don't have time for shopping, nails and other luxuries. But you can pretend, right?

I come from a family that is flanked by morbid obesity - one side is Mex-American the other small town Midwest. Both are statistically more prone to obesity than many other groups in the US. I've had multiple cousins die of obesity related illnesses and it wasn't pretty. They died before their time and refused to do anything to make themselves healthier. And nearly all my cousins and extended family are the same. It is so damn sad. IF only they had taken personal responsibility and done something about it. So you can sit around and blame the government all you want. But in the interim if people don't take responsibility for themselves they will die. Period. Take your pick. Cake or death?

I am skinny too, my mom is obese. That doesn't mean I have to be an asshole. Like you are.


Dude, if you think asking people to take care of themselves is being an a-hole then you operate in a different reality. Life is hard and no one will take care of you. IF you sit around and wait for government coddling, you'll be SOL. I take care of my family and expect people to do the same for theirs. This is how we solve obesity. Not by saying that "big is beautiful" or assuming that people cannot take care of themselves. It is not. It is heart disease, diabetes, increased rates of cancer, and watching people die young. After watching family die young, I will always reject that notion.

You are so indoctrinated in some "you are responsible, the pioneer spirit, the individualism" that you never stopped to think about it. This country was not built on individualism, that is a myth.
It is so sad that instead of realizing that we elect officials that we expect to take care of [b]us! bcs we elect them to do what is right? no? members of your family might not have died! This is how we solve poverty and obesity. By educating people. When you elect officials and they do what is right for big pharma and agro-industry, you elected someone that is working against your well-being!
Some democracy, right? But, if that person did the job YOU elected them to do, they would improve education, with better education will come better nutrition, with health and education which so many are denied, not don't want it, they are denied it, they will demand accountability from conglomerates, and demand their government regulates the food industry.
Instead, you are just as stupid as those that you claim are obese and don't want to take care of themselves! Think about the deception you are a willing participant in! You are in favor of the system that kills your family members!
Now, if that is not the height of stupidity, I don't know what is!
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1. I'm not the poster to whom you are responding, but I agree with that poster.

2. You are a terrible writer. I feel kind of bad for you.

3. Google Dunning-Kruger effect.

LOL! I am a terrible writer? What did you bold here exactly?
Anonymous
Post 05/30/2021 13:27     Subject: Why don’t Americans give a f*** about what they eat?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I lived in 5 industrial countries, other than in the U.S. it is not like this in all of them!
What a thing to say!
Maybe in fatso England!


No. First, learn how to quote in a thread so that people can tell what you are attempting to respond to/address.

You are wrong. And I don't believe you have lived in those 5 countries. Name them: go head.

United States, Canada, Norway, Czech Republic, Croatia.
And nobody cares about your grammar policing.
Anonymous
Post 05/30/2021 13:17     Subject: Why don’t Americans give a f*** about what they eat?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

2. You claimed that "no one does this in France." Yes, they do. I live a few hours from the French border and (in non-Covid times) we regularly spend time there shopping or on holiday. There are plenty of chubby people in France and there is plenty of easily available junk food in France. People there are getting fatter. You probably like to read those stupid self-help books claiming to help you eat or dress like a French person, right? What you imagine to be the way all French people live is in truth mainly a Parisian phenomenon. And that's wealthy and middle class Parisians, not the many people who live in the poorest arrondissements and ghettos of Paris.


I’ve been to France, Toulouse and South, not Paris. I saw crowds of people eating lunch in cafes, eating dinners in restaurants. The food was of much better quality. I ate more there than ever and actually lost weight. I saw very few overweight people.

I live I’m middle class America and it’s a struggle to get healthy lunch, a struggle when I want to eat out, a struggle to eat healthy when I travel across country, a struggle to have my kid develop healthy habits in this environment.


That's nice, sweetie. You visited tourist hotspots in a handful of places. That does not allow you to speak with any degree of comfort about what is typical for the region as a whole.


But she knows for a fact she’s getting better QUALITY food there.
Anonymous
Post 05/30/2021 13:14     Subject: Why don’t Americans give a f*** about what they eat?
I want to know what OP has for dinner at her 'upscale hotel' tonight.
Anonymous
Post 05/30/2021 13:08     Subject: Why don’t Americans give a f*** about what they eat?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

I’ve been to France, Toulouse and South, not Paris. I saw crowds of people eating lunch in cafes, eating dinners in restaurants. The food was of much better quality. I ate more there than ever and actually lost weight. I saw very few overweight people.

I live I’m middle class America and it’s a struggle to get healthy lunch, a struggle when I want to eat out, a struggle to eat healthy when I travel across country, a struggle to have my kid develop healthy habits in this environment.


That's nice, sweetie. You visited tourist hotspots in a handful of places. That does not allow you to speak with any degree of comfort about what is typical for the region as a whole.


Toulouse and small towns in the South are not touristy places. I’ve also been to Italy, Austria, Scandinavia and others. It’s the same over there. Good quality food and very few overweight people.


The junk food addicts in this thread will never believe this because their denial is too strong, but as someone who has lived in multiple areas of Europe,. you are exactly right.


Ha please. I’ve lived all over the world, too. It’s not like I can eat shawarma and drink carlsbergs all day in Copenhagen and stay magically thin.
Anonymous
Post 05/30/2021 13:00     Subject: Why don’t Americans give a f*** about what they eat?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

I’ve been to France, Toulouse and South, not Paris. I saw crowds of people eating lunch in cafes, eating dinners in restaurants. The food was of much better quality. I ate more there than ever and actually lost weight. I saw very few overweight people.

I live I’m middle class America and it’s a struggle to get healthy lunch, a struggle when I want to eat out, a struggle to eat healthy when I travel across country, a struggle to have my kid develop healthy habits in this environment.


That's nice, sweetie. You visited tourist hotspots in a handful of places. That does not allow you to speak with any degree of comfort about what is typical for the region as a whole.


Toulouse and small towns in the South are not touristy places. I’ve also been to Italy, Austria, Scandinavia and others. It’s the same over there. Good quality food and very few overweight people.


The junk food addicts in this thread will never believe this because their denial is too strong, but as someone who has lived in multiple areas of Europe,. you are exactly right.



I live in WE now, and she is not 'exactly right'. The tipoff should be the way she tries to assert that it is 'the same' through Scandinavia, Austria, France, 'and others'.
Anonymous
Post 05/30/2021 12:56     Subject: Why don’t Americans give a f*** about what they eat?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

I’ve been to France, Toulouse and South, not Paris. I saw crowds of people eating lunch in cafes, eating dinners in restaurants. The food was of much better quality. I ate more there than ever and actually lost weight. I saw very few overweight people.

I live I’m middle class America and it’s a struggle to get healthy lunch, a struggle when I want to eat out, a struggle to eat healthy when I travel across country, a struggle to have my kid develop healthy habits in this environment.


That's nice, sweetie. You visited tourist hotspots in a handful of places. That does not allow you to speak with any degree of comfort about what is typical for the region as a whole.


Toulouse and small towns in the South are not touristy places. I’ve also been to Italy, Austria, Scandinavia and others. It’s the same over there. Good quality food and very few overweight people.


The junk food addicts in this thread will never believe this because their denial is too strong, but as someone who has lived in multiple areas of Europe,. you are exactly right.
Anonymous
Post 05/30/2021 12:55     Subject: Why don’t Americans give a f*** about what they eat?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

I’ve been to France, Toulouse and South, not Paris. I saw crowds of people eating lunch in cafes, eating dinners in restaurants. The food was of much better quality. I ate more there than ever and actually lost weight. I saw very few overweight people.

I live I’m middle class America and it’s a struggle to get healthy lunch, a struggle when I want to eat out, a struggle to eat healthy when I travel across country, a struggle to have my kid develop healthy habits in this environment.


That's nice, sweetie. You visited tourist hotspots in a handful of places. That does not allow you to speak with any degree of comfort about what is typical for the region as a whole.


Toulouse and small towns in the South are not touristy places. I’ve also been to Italy, Austria, Scandinavia and others. It’s the same over there. Good quality food and very few overweight people.


Yes, they are!

Look, I live this part of the world. You did a whistle-stop tour of a handful of places. Don't tell me that "it's the same [as what you saw in your tour of some French cities] over there!"

Anonymous
Post 05/30/2021 12:54     Subject: Why don’t Americans give a f*** about what they eat?
Why don’t we GAF about anything? The questions that keep us up at night...
Anonymous
Post 05/30/2021 12:51     Subject: Why don’t Americans give a f*** about what they eat?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

I’ve been to France, Toulouse and South, not Paris. I saw crowds of people eating lunch in cafes, eating dinners in restaurants. The food was of much better quality. I ate more there than ever and actually lost weight. I saw very few overweight people.

I live I’m middle class America and it’s a struggle to get healthy lunch, a struggle when I want to eat out, a struggle to eat healthy when I travel across country, a struggle to have my kid develop healthy habits in this environment.


That's nice, sweetie. You visited tourist hotspots in a handful of places. That does not allow you to speak with any degree of comfort about what is typical for the region as a whole.


Toulouse and small towns in the South are not touristy places. I’ve also been to Italy, Austria, Scandinavia and others. It’s the same over there. Good quality food and very few overweight people.
Anonymous
Post 05/30/2021 12:50     Subject: Why don’t Americans give a f*** about what they eat?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It’s so stupid to think you are free while you have to go through trouble of hunting down healthy foods on sale and spending compounded hours cooking so your kid doesn’t eat junk every day at school and educating people how they should not eat outside their house.

No one does this in France. No one goes around saying “Larla, you lazy slob, shouldn’t eat in a cafe because you’re sacrificing quality for convenience” because the food in a cafe is going to be healthy. No one thinks of sending kids lunches to school because their lunches are well balanced and healthy. See how easy it is to live like that?

The government is us. We decide how we want to live as a country. We set the standards.


You are right, but you have to understand that the PPs in this thread bleating in about personal choice are addicts who are panicking at the thought of government regulation of junk food. They will fight tooth and nail for continued free access to their drug of choice.

When the government finally stepped in and regulated tobacco -- after probably millions of deaths, but they finally did it -- there was a lot of very similar commentary from nicotine addicts. You can read the history of nicotine regulation and it's practically a guidebook to what is going on with junk food now.


You seem really, really confused.


And you are behaving exactly like addict you are.


I'm not the poster you are responding to here, but you ARE confused. Why would you assume people disagreeing with you are "addicts"? I for one am slim and in good health because I make good choices, so am certainly not an "addict." Many people here are trying to help you. Listen to them.


Why do you think I am talking about me personally? I'm not. I am fit, in good health, work out at minimum an hour a day, and have good food at home. But I care deeply about this horrifying public health crisis, and what I see is people like you who desperately want continued access to addictive foods stopping any sort of forward progress on regulations (which is the only thing that will stop this crisis).

You are behaving exactly like an addict does: fighting any attempted regulatory efforts here, terrified about protecting your continued unfettered access to junk food. I don't care that you are skinny; you can still be an addict, still suffer from the metabolic diseases triggered by our unhealthy food landscape.

If you truly cared about public health, you would line up to implement regulations to prevent a catastrophic health crisis. But you don't. You care first and foremost about keeping the junk food spigot flowing. You are an addict.


Logic and reading comprehension are clearly very challenging for you, but I'll try again. Just because I don't agree with you regarding the cause of the issue does not mean that I wish "the junk food spigot [to keep] flowing" because I am "an addict." Google "false dilemma fallacy."



Shrug. Enjoy your addict's denial.


Hey, you've convinced me. I do not believe you have the reasoning skills to learn to make the choices best for your own health and safety. You would benefit from a benevolent government or nanny state that will remove all potentially dangerous choices and present you with a simple, concrete life plan.

Anonymous
Post 05/30/2021 12:50     Subject: Why don’t Americans give a f*** about what they eat?
Anonymous wrote:I have lived in multiple different countries. I lose 20 lbs. effortlessly when I live abroad, and easily maintain. It comes back when I move back to the US and I have to fight tooth and nail not to gain more.

I'm planning retirement outside the US. This is no way to live. It's literally making me ill.


You should definitely move for your health. I'm sorry to hear that you'll have to give up your friends and family for your health. That's too bad.
Anonymous
Post 05/30/2021 12:48     Subject: Why don’t Americans give a f*** about what they eat?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It’s so stupid to think you are free while you have to go through trouble of hunting down healthy foods on sale and spending compounded hours cooking so your kid doesn’t eat junk every day at school and educating people how they should not eat outside their house.

No one does this in France. No one goes around saying “Larla, you lazy slob, shouldn’t eat in a cafe because you’re sacrificing quality for convenience” because the food in a cafe is going to be healthy. No one thinks of sending kids lunches to school because their lunches are well balanced and healthy. See how easy it is to live like that?

The government is us. We decide how we want to live as a country. We set the standards.


You are right, but you have to understand that the PPs in this thread bleating in about personal choice are addicts who are panicking at the thought of government regulation of junk food. They will fight tooth and nail for continued free access to their drug of choice.

When the government finally stepped in and regulated tobacco -- after probably millions of deaths, but they finally did it -- there was a lot of very similar commentary from nicotine addicts. You can read the history of nicotine regulation and it's practically a guidebook to what is going on with junk food now.


You seem really, really confused.


And you are behaving exactly like addict you are.


I'm not the poster you are responding to here, but you ARE confused. Why would you assume people disagreeing with you are "addicts"? I for one am slim and in good health because I make good choices, so am certainly not an "addict." Many people here are trying to help you. Listen to them.


Why do you think I am talking about me personally? I'm not. I am fit, in good health, work out at minimum an hour a day, and have good food at home. But I care deeply about this horrifying public health crisis, and what I see is people like you who desperately want continued access to addictive foods stopping any sort of forward progress on regulations (which is the only thing that will stop this crisis).

You are behaving exactly like an addict does: fighting any attempted regulatory efforts here, terrified about protecting your continued unfettered access to junk food. I don't care that you are skinny; you can still be an addict, still suffer from the metabolic diseases triggered by our unhealthy food landscape.

If you truly cared about public health, you would line up to implement regulations to prevent a catastrophic health crisis. But you don't. You care first and foremost about keeping the junk food spigot flowing. You are an addict.


To be fair, it is difficult to tell exactly what you are talking about here.

Engaging in discourse with you reminds me of studying for AP English Lang. You should package your writing and market as a tool for teens who are learning to identify common logical fallacies.

Anonymous
Post 05/30/2021 12:46     Subject: Why don’t Americans give a f*** about what they eat?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It’s so stupid to think you are free while you have to go through trouble of hunting down healthy foods on sale and spending compounded hours cooking so your kid doesn’t eat junk every day at school and educating people how they should not eat outside their house.

No one does this in France. No one goes around saying “Larla, you lazy slob, shouldn’t eat in a cafe because you’re sacrificing quality for convenience” because the food in a cafe is going to be healthy. No one thinks of sending kids lunches to school because their lunches are well balanced and healthy. See how easy it is to live like that?

The government is us. We decide how we want to live as a country. We set the standards.


You are right, but you have to understand that the PPs in this thread bleating in about personal choice are addicts who are panicking at the thought of government regulation of junk food. They will fight tooth and nail for continued free access to their drug of choice.

When the government finally stepped in and regulated tobacco -- after probably millions of deaths, but they finally did it -- there was a lot of very similar commentary from nicotine addicts. You can read the history of nicotine regulation and it's practically a guidebook to what is going on with junk food now.


You seem really, really confused.


And you are behaving exactly like addict you are.


I'm not the poster you are responding to here, but you ARE confused. Why would you assume people disagreeing with you are "addicts"? I for one am slim and in good health because I make good choices, so am certainly not an "addict." Many people here are trying to help you. Listen to them.


Why do you think I am talking about me personally? I'm not. I am fit, in good health, work out at minimum an hour a day, and have good food at home. But I care deeply about this horrifying public health crisis, and what I see is people like you who desperately want continued access to addictive foods stopping any sort of forward progress on regulations (which is the only thing that will stop this crisis).

You are behaving exactly like an addict does: fighting any attempted regulatory efforts here, terrified about protecting your continued unfettered access to junk food. I don't care that you are skinny; you can still be an addict, still suffer from the metabolic diseases triggered by our unhealthy food landscape.

If you truly cared about public health, you would line up to implement regulations to prevent a catastrophic health crisis. But you don't. You care first and foremost about keeping the junk food spigot flowing. You are an addict.


Logic and reading comprehension are clearly very challenging for you, but I'll try again. Just because I don't agree with you regarding the cause of the issue does not mean that I wish "the junk food spigot [to keep] flowing" because I am "an addict." Google "false dilemma fallacy."



Shrug. Enjoy your addict's denial.