Anonymous
05/05/2021 13:01
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If there was an easy app you could flash, some sort of voluntary centralized record, I would absolutely prioritize businesses that used that.
You heard how mask enforcement went in some places, didn't you? I'm vaccinated, but I would not be comfortable showing my phone and my information to anyone who isn't my healthcare provider. Like, I'm not going to share my business with the sub guy and he probably just wants to make my sub, take my cash and send me on my way. "Carding" everyone will slow down business, for one thing, and it will deter customers like me, for another.
That's fine. Other businesses will take your business. I don't view it as a hassle, especially if there is an app.
I have already decided to switch massage therapists to one who is requiring vaccination. She is so busy with work for the same reason that I have to wait two months.
Anonymous
05/05/2021 12:54
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:If there was an easy app you could flash, some sort of voluntary centralized record, I would absolutely prioritize businesses that used that.
You heard how mask enforcement went in some places, didn't you? I'm vaccinated, but I would not be comfortable showing my phone and my information to anyone who isn't my healthcare provider. Like, I'm not going to share my business with the sub guy and he probably just wants to make my sub, take my cash and send me on my way. "Carding" everyone will slow down business, for one thing, and it will deter customers like me, for another.
Anonymous
05/05/2021 12:50
Subject: Re:How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The whining anti-vaxxer logic in this thread is quite something:
Anti-vaxxer: Nobody can make me do anything!! My rights!1!1!! It's a free country!!!!! Don't trust the government!!
Private businesses: Okay, we understand. Therefore we are going to require covid-19 vaccination for our customers.
Anti-vaxxer: What?!?! OMG!!! OSHA will save me!!! OSHA make these private businesses do.the thing I want!!!!
I am a business owner and I will not turn customers away. My staff and I are all vaccinated. The vaccines work and cases are dropping. Unvaccinated people know their status and will carry on however they choose.
Is part of your decision based on how much of a hassle it would be to get proof from every customer?
We're never going to have a national vaccine passport. That puts businesses in a difficult position of having to figure out how to figure out whether a patron is actually vaccinated.
Partly. I wouldn't be comfortable asking people private health information and I wouldn't put my staff in that position, either. I just want to conduct business as usual and for customers to come in and shop. We will keep masking as long as mandates are in place and, when they are lifted, we won't look sideways at those who continue to wear them. Depending on the customers, we may keep up masking for awhile.
Anonymous
05/05/2021 12:24
Subject: Re:How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The whining anti-vaxxer logic in this thread is quite something:
Anti-vaxxer: Nobody can make me do anything!! My rights!1!1!! It's a free country!!!!! Don't trust the government!!
Private businesses: Okay, we understand. Therefore we are going to require covid-19 vaccination for our customers.
Anti-vaxxer: What?!?! OMG!!! OSHA will save me!!! OSHA make these private businesses do.the thing I want!!!!
I am a business owner and I will not turn customers away. My staff and I are all vaccinated. The vaccines work and cases are dropping. Unvaccinated people know their status and will carry on however they choose.
Is part of your decision based on how much of a hassle it would be to get proof from every customer?
We're never going to have a national vaccine passport. That puts businesses in a difficult position of having to figure out how to figure out whether a patron is actually vaccinated.
Some states have it - obviously the ones with large pro vax populations like NY.
They should be more careful, seeing how badly they screwed up their covid response last year.
No reason for places with more competent government, like Florida, to do so.
Anonymous
05/05/2021 12:20
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
If there was an easy app you could flash, some sort of voluntary centralized record, I would absolutely prioritize businesses that used that.
Anonymous
05/05/2021 12:20
Subject: Re:How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The whining anti-vaxxer logic in this thread is quite something:
Anti-vaxxer: Nobody can make me do anything!! My rights!1!1!! It's a free country!!!!! Don't trust the government!!
Private businesses: Okay, we understand. Therefore we are going to require covid-19 vaccination for our customers.
Anti-vaxxer: What?!?! OMG!!! OSHA will save me!!! OSHA make these private businesses do.the thing I want!!!!
I am a business owner and I will not turn customers away. My staff and I are all vaccinated. The vaccines work and cases are dropping. Unvaccinated people know their status and will carry on however they choose.
Is part of your decision based on how much of a hassle it would be to get proof from every customer?
We're never going to have a national vaccine passport. That puts businesses in a difficult position of having to figure out how to figure out whether a patron is actually vaccinated.
Some states have it - obviously the ones with large pro vax populations like NY.
Anonymous
05/05/2021 12:19
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
My hair stylist (who has a line out the door) just told me she will not accept unvaccinated customers. I was thrilled. No masks in studio!
Anonymous
05/05/2021 12:18
Subject: Re:How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The whining anti-vaxxer logic in this thread is quite something:
Anti-vaxxer: Nobody can make me do anything!! My rights!1!1!! It's a free country!!!!! Don't trust the government!!
Private businesses: Okay, we understand. Therefore we are going to require covid-19 vaccination for our customers.
Anti-vaxxer: What?!?! OMG!!! OSHA will save me!!! OSHA make these private businesses do.the thing I want!!!!
I am a business owner and I will not turn customers away. My staff and I are all vaccinated. The vaccines work and cases are dropping. Unvaccinated people know their status and will carry on however they choose.
Is part of your decision based on how much of a hassle it would be to get proof from every customer?
We're never going to have a national vaccine passport. That puts businesses in a difficult position of having to figure out how to figure out whether a patron is actually vaccinated.
Anonymous
05/05/2021 12:11
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Some businesses will choose to require vax and some will not.
Anonymous
05/05/2021 12:04
Subject: Re:How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:The whining anti-vaxxer logic in this thread is quite something:
Anti-vaxxer: Nobody can make me do anything!! My rights!1!1!! It's a free country!!!!! Don't trust the government!!
Private businesses: Okay, we understand. Therefore we are going to require covid-19 vaccination for our customers.
Anti-vaxxer: What?!?! OMG!!! OSHA will save me!!! OSHA make these private businesses do.the thing I want!!!!
I am a business owner and I will not turn customers away. My staff and I are all vaccinated. The vaccines work and cases are dropping. Unvaccinated people know their status and will carry on however they choose.
Anonymous
05/05/2021 12:01
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
More complete list.
CALIFORNIA: California Institute of Technology, California State University (with FDA approval: Bakersfield, Channel Islands, Chico, Dominguez, East Bay, Fresno, Fullerton, Long Beach, Los Angeles, Maritime Academy, Monterey Bay, Northridge, Polytechnic University at Pomona, Sacremento, San Bernardino, San Luis Obispo, San Marcos, Stanislaus), Chapman University, Claremont McKenna College, Dominican University of California, Harvey Mudd College, Humboldt State University, Loyola Marymount University, Menlo College, Occidental College, Pitzer College, Pomona College, Samuel Merritt University, Santa Clara University, Scripps College, Southwestern College, Stanford University, University of California system (with FDA approval: Berkeley, Davis, Irvine, Los Angeles, Merced, Riverside, San Diego, San Francisco, Santa Barbara, Santa Cruz, ), University of San Diego, University of Southern California
COLORADO: Colorado College, Colorado State University system (must have FDA approval), Fort Lewis College, Metropolitan State University of Denver, Regis University, University of Denver, University of Colorado (Anschutz Medical Campus, Boulder, Denver, Colorado Springs), University of Northern Colorado
CONNECTICUT: Trinity College, Wesleyan University, Yale University
FLORIDA: Nova Southeastern University
GEORGIA: Clark Atlanta University, Emory University, Morehouse College, Spelman College
ILLINOIS: Columbia College, DePaul University, Loyola University Chicago, Roosevelt University
INDIANA: Depauw University, Holy Cross College, St. Mary’s College, University of Notre Dame, Valparaiso University
IOWA: Grinnell College
KENTUCKY: Barea College
MAINE: Bowdoin College, College of the Atlantic
MARYLAND: Bowie State University, Coppin State University, Frostburg University, Johns Hopkins University, Morgan State University, Salisbury University, Towson University, University of Baltimore, University of Maryland (College Park, Baltimore, Baltimore County, Global Campus, Eastern Shore, Center for Environmental Science)
MASSACHUSETTS: Amherst College, Anna Maria College, Berklee College of Music, Boston College, Boston University, Brandeis University, Bridgewater State University, College of the Holy Cross, Emerson College, Fitchburg State University, Framingham State University, Hampshire College, Lasell University, Massachusetts College of Art & Design, Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts, Massachusetts College of Pharmacy & Health Sciences, MIT, Massachusetts Maritime Academy, Mount Holyoke University, Northeastern University, Salem State University, Smith College, Simmons University, University of Massachusetts (Amherst, Boston, Lowell), Westfield State University, Wheaton College, Worcester State University.
MICHIGAN: Lawrence Technological University, Oakland University, University of Michigan
MINNESOTA: Carleton College, Macalester College
MISSOURI: Culver Stockton College, Washington University
NEW HAMPSHIRE: Dartmouth College, Southern New Hampshire University
NEW JERSEY: Drew University, Fairleigh Dickinson University, Kean University, Montclair State University, Mount St. Mary’s University, New Jersey City University, Princeton University, Rider University, Rutgers University, Stevens Institute of Technology
NEW YORK: Barnard College, Columbia University, Cornell University, Five Towns College, Fordham University, Hamilton College, Ithaca College, Jewish Theological Seminary of America, Le Moyne College, Manhattanville College, New York University, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Sarah Lawrence College, St. John’s University, Syracuse University, The New School, University of Rochester, Vassar College
NORTH CAROLINA: Brevard College, Duke University, Livingstone College, Union Presbysterian Seminary-Charlotte, Wake Forest University
OHIO: Cleveland State University, Kenyon College
OREGON: Lewis & Clark University, Oregon State University, University of Portland, Willamette University
PENNSYLVANIA: Bryn Mawr College, Drexel University, Lehigh University, Haverford College, Swarthmore College, Thomas Jefferson, University, University of Pennsylvania, University of the Sciences
RHODE ISLAND: Brown University, Roger Williams University
SOUTH CAROLINA: Wofford College
TENNESSEE: Maryville College
TEXAS: Paul Quinn College, St. Edward’s University
VERMONT: Bennington College
VIRGINIA: Hampton University, Hollins University, Mary Baldwin University, Union Presbyterian Seminary, Virginia Wesleyan University
WASHINGTON: Pacific Lutheran, Seattle University, University of Washington (Tacoma, Boswell, Seattle), Washington State University, Whitman College
WASHINGTON, D.C.: American University, George Washington University, Georgetown University, Trinity Washington University.
WISCONSIN: Lawrence University
CALIFORNIA: California Institute of Technology, California State University (with FDA approval: Bakersfield, Channel Islands, Chico, Dominguez, East Bay, Fresno, Fullerton, Long Beach, Los Angeles, Maritime Academy, Monterey Bay, Northridge, Polytechnic University at Pomona, Sacremento, San Bernardino, San Luis Obispo, San Marcos, Stanislaus), Chapman University, Claremont McKenna College, Dominican University of California, Harvey Mudd College, Humboldt State University, Loyola Marymount University, Menlo College, Occidental College, Pitzer College, Pomona College, Samuel Merritt University, Santa Clara University, Scripps College, Southwestern College, Stanford University, University of California system (with FDA approval: Berkeley, Davis, Irvine, Los Angeles, Merced, Riverside, San Diego, San Francisco, Santa Barbara, Santa Cruz, ), University of San Diego, University of Southern California
COLORADO: Colorado College, Colorado State University system (must have FDA approval), Fort Lewis College, Metropolitan State University of Denver, Regis University, University of Denver, University of Colorado (Anschutz Medical Campus, Boulder, Denver, Colorado Springs), University of Northern Colorado
CONNECTICUT: Trinity College, Wesleyan University, Yale University
FLORIDA: Nova Southeastern University
GEORGIA: Clark Atlanta University, Emory University, Morehouse College, Spelman College
ILLINOIS: Columbia College, DePaul University, Loyola University Chicago, Roosevelt University
INDIANA: Depauw University, Holy Cross College, St. Mary’s College, University of Notre Dame, Valparaiso University
IOWA: Grinnell College
KENTUCKY: Barea College
MAINE: Bowdoin College, College of the Atlantic
MARYLAND: Bowie State University, Coppin State University, Frostburg University, Johns Hopkins University, Morgan State University, Salisbury University, Towson University, University of Baltimore, University of Maryland (College Park, Baltimore, Baltimore County, Global Campus, Eastern Shore, Center for Environmental Science)
MASSACHUSETTS: Amherst College, Anna Maria College, Berklee College of Music, Boston College, Boston University, Brandeis University, Bridgewater State University, College of the Holy Cross, Emerson College, Fitchburg State University, Framingham State University, Hampshire College, Lasell University, Massachusetts College of Art & Design, Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts, Massachusetts College of Pharmacy & Health Sciences, MIT, Massachusetts Maritime Academy, Mount Holyoke University, Northeastern University, Salem State University, Smith College, Simmons University, University of Massachusetts (Amherst, Boston, Lowell), Westfield State University, Wheaton College, Worcester State University.
MICHIGAN: Lawrence Technological University, Oakland University, University of Michigan
MINNESOTA: Carleton College, Macalester College
MISSOURI: Culver Stockton College, Washington University
NEW HAMPSHIRE: Dartmouth College, Southern New Hampshire University
NEW JERSEY: Drew University, Fairleigh Dickinson University, Kean University, Montclair State University, Mount St. Mary’s University, New Jersey City University, Princeton University, Rider University, Rutgers University, Stevens Institute of Technology
NEW YORK: Barnard College, Columbia University, Cornell University, Five Towns College, Fordham University, Hamilton College, Ithaca College, Jewish Theological Seminary of America, Le Moyne College, Manhattanville College, New York University, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Sarah Lawrence College, St. John’s University, Syracuse University, The New School, University of Rochester, Vassar College
NORTH CAROLINA: Brevard College, Duke University, Livingstone College, Union Presbysterian Seminary-Charlotte, Wake Forest University
OHIO: Cleveland State University, Kenyon College
OREGON: Lewis & Clark University, Oregon State University, University of Portland, Willamette University
PENNSYLVANIA: Bryn Mawr College, Drexel University, Lehigh University, Haverford College, Swarthmore College, Thomas Jefferson, University, University of Pennsylvania, University of the Sciences
RHODE ISLAND: Brown University, Roger Williams University
SOUTH CAROLINA: Wofford College
TENNESSEE: Maryville College
TEXAS: Paul Quinn College, St. Edward’s University
VERMONT: Bennington College
VIRGINIA: Hampton University, Hollins University, Mary Baldwin University, Union Presbyterian Seminary, Virginia Wesleyan University
WASHINGTON: Pacific Lutheran, Seattle University, University of Washington (Tacoma, Boswell, Seattle), Washington State University, Whitman College
WASHINGTON, D.C.: American University, George Washington University, Georgetown University, Trinity Washington University.
WISCONSIN: Lawrence University
Anonymous
05/05/2021 11:59
Subject: Re:How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The whining anti-vaxxer logic in this thread is quite something:
Anti-vaxxer: Nobody can make me do anything!! My rights!1!1!! It's a free country!!!!! Don't trust the government!!
Private businesses: Okay, we understand. Therefore we are going to require covid-19 vaccination for our customers.
Anti-vaxxer: What?!?! OMG!!! OSHA will save me!!! OSHA make these private businesses do.the thing I want!!!!
You should travel more. Plenty of places in the country without masks. I was asked to put mine on three times since the beginning of the pandemic. Three times. You should have seen retired people partying in Arizona the day after the state lifted capacity restrictions. No masks, of course, all close together. I will go to a baseball game in Texas instead of California.
Yeah, that's been my experience outside of the DMV, especially in the South and Florida. I've been to Florida twice since the Governor rescinded the mask mandate. The only place I was required to wear a mask was at the airport. And even there, I took it off at the bar.
There isn't going to be a national vaccine passport, since the Federal government doesn't seem to have the stomach for such a political fight. And there are many parts of the country where the people will absolutely reject a general vaccination requirement. In some places, the state government is already banning businesses from implementing such a requirement.
So, that leaves just a handful of businesses that might require their patrons to be vaccinated, such as certain medical offices.
I think the mistake some people on this thread are making is arguing that vaccinated people are all on the same page about imposing a vaccination requirement. I really doubt that's true. I don't care, and the vaccinated people I know don't give a damn, either.
Many colleges will require it tp attend in person. parents and students are grateful for this and do give a damn.
If the colleges drop the mask requirement and spacing after introducing the vaccination requirement then my student would be fine with that. Last year he opted for online classes after doing two weeks in mask. If it's vaccine and masks then no vaccine as online classes are still available. Classes with masks on were bad: uncomfortable and sad. Luckily religious exemptions are still allowed.
Anonymous
05/05/2021 11:58
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Current list and counting:
California Institute of Technology
California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
California State University system
Claremont McKenna College
Dominican University of California
Harvey Mudd College
Humboldt State University
Loyola Marymount University
Menlo College
Occidental College
Pitzer College
Pomona College
Samuel Merritt University
San Diego State University
San Francisco State University
San Jose State University
Santa Clara University
Scripps College
Sonoma State University
Southwestern College
Stanford University
University of California system
University of San Diego
University of Southern California
COLORADO
Colorado College
Colorado State University system
Fort Lewis College
Metropolitan State University of Denver
University of Colorado system
University of Denver
University of Northern Colorado
CONNECTICUT
Wesleyan University
Yale University
DELAWARE
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
American University
Bay Atlantic University
George Washington University
Georgetown University
Trinity Washington University
FLORIDA
Nova Southeastern University
GEORGIA
Clark Atlanta University
Emory University
Morehouse College
Spelman College
California Institute of Technology
California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
California State University system
Claremont McKenna College
Dominican University of California
Harvey Mudd College
Humboldt State University
Loyola Marymount University
Menlo College
Occidental College
Pitzer College
Pomona College
Samuel Merritt University
San Diego State University
San Francisco State University
San Jose State University
Santa Clara University
Scripps College
Sonoma State University
Southwestern College
Stanford University
University of California system
University of San Diego
University of Southern California
COLORADO
Colorado College
Colorado State University system
Fort Lewis College
Metropolitan State University of Denver
University of Colorado system
University of Denver
University of Northern Colorado
CONNECTICUT
Wesleyan University
Yale University
DELAWARE
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
American University
Bay Atlantic University
George Washington University
Georgetown University
Trinity Washington University
FLORIDA
Nova Southeastern University
GEORGIA
Clark Atlanta University
Emory University
Morehouse College
Spelman College
Anonymous
05/05/2021 11:56
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No matter how much you keep saying nobody cares, the fact that more and more businesses are openly requiring vaccines shows that there is indeed a customer base that does care.
What businesses are those? I'm out all the time in restaurants and stores, and have been to a Nationals, Wizards and DC United game since they reopened. No vaccination requirements anywhere.
Colleges and universities for starters. Starting with Rutgers.
Anonymous
05/05/2021 11:55
Subject: Re:How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The whining anti-vaxxer logic in this thread is quite something:
Anti-vaxxer: Nobody can make me do anything!! My rights!1!1!! It's a free country!!!!! Don't trust the government!!
Private businesses: Okay, we understand. Therefore we are going to require covid-19 vaccination for our customers.
Anti-vaxxer: What?!?! OMG!!! OSHA will save me!!! OSHA make these private businesses do.the thing I want!!!!
You should travel more. Plenty of places in the country without masks. I was asked to put mine on three times since the beginning of the pandemic. Three times. You should have seen retired people partying in Arizona the day after the state lifted capacity restrictions. No masks, of course, all close together. I will go to a baseball game in Texas instead of California.
Agree. If you don't want to vax, patronize places that align with your views and don't require vaccination.
If you respect vaccine science and the power of vax, patronize the places that align with those views and do require the vax.
Except, the majority of people probably fall into a third category: they don't care whether a place requires its patrons to be vaccinated or not.
Then they can go where they please if they are vaxxed and can go to places that don't require a vax if they are unvaxxed.
Yes, but I don't want to deal with the hassle of proving I'm vaccinated when I go buy groceries or get a latte. I think you'll find that the majority of people line up behind me, more than they do with you. Given the choice of two establishments, I'll pick the one without a proof of vaccination requirement.
That will clearly depend on the market. There will be places where a vaccine requirement is a marketing advantage and places where it is not.