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Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the kids there aren't even elite for the most part they simply purchased many expensive prep lessons where they were coached and given answers. So I have to agree with the PP.

They also mostly had straight As with a near 4.0 GPA average. Test prep was a part of it, and there is some privilege that was necessary for that.

But they were also near universally good and hardworking students. Test prep alone wouldn’t get you into TJ. Stop with the strawman.

That test prep is the real difference maker is such a myth. Brilliant, hard-working kids get in to TJ. Average kids that take prep classes do not. That has always been the case until this year.

Except when the fakes make it clear that it is the difference-maker. Curie alone accounts for over 30% of those who got admitted and that's just one place. This whole thread was about people buying the answers. All the evidence indicates otherwise and the majority of parents whose kids are getting in seem to agree or they wouldn't be spending so much on tutors, aops, rsm and test prep.

My kids went to TJ, they did prep, the prep center didn't hand them any answers to them, they only teach on how to solve problems. Don't troll on fake news.

I know but let's be honest they also would've had no chance at admission without those prep classes.

Eh, my child went to TJ and never prepped for the application process. His observation was that the kids who prepped to get into TJ were the kids who needed tutoring and extra help just about every day after school and summers. The kids who didn’t prep tended to be the kids who were more involved in after school activities like sports and music and theatre because they were smart enough that they could get their academic work done and still have time for other activities. And those kids all had great SAT/ACT scores and great college results at the end of their four years there.

How did he know who prepped and who didn't?

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Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the kids there aren't even elite for the most part they simply purchased many expensive prep lessons where they were coached and given answers. So I have to agree with the PP.

They also mostly had straight As with a near 4.0 GPA average. Test prep was a part of it, and there is some privilege that was necessary for that.

But they were also near universally good and hardworking students. Test prep alone wouldn’t get you into TJ. Stop with the strawman.

That test prep is the real difference maker is such a myth. Brilliant, hard-working kids get in to TJ. Average kids that take prep classes do not. That has always been the case until this year.

Except when the fakes make it clear that it is the difference-maker. Curie alone accounts for over 30% of those who got admitted and that's just one place. This whole thread was about people buying the answers. All the evidence indicates otherwise and the majority of parents whose kids are getting in seem to agree or they wouldn't be spending so much on tutors, aops, rsm and test prep.

My kids went to TJ, they did prep, the prep center didn't hand them any answers to them, they only teach on how to solve problems. Don't troll on fake news.

I know but let's be honest they also would've had no chance at admission without those prep classes.

Eh, my child went to TJ and never prepped for the application process. His observation was that the kids who prepped to get into TJ were the kids who needed tutoring and extra help just about every day after school and summers. The kids who didn’t prep tended to be the kids who were more involved in after school activities like sports and music and theatre because they were smart enough that they could get their academic work done and still have time for other activities. And those kids all had great SAT/ACT scores and great college results at the end of their four years there.

How did he know who prepped and who didn't?

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Eh, my child went to TJ and never prepped for the application process. His observation was that the kids who prepped to get into TJ were the kids who needed tutoring and extra help just about every day after school and summers. The kids who didn’t prep tended to be the kids who were more involved in after school activities like sports and music and theatre because they were smart enough that they could get their academic work done and still have time for other activities. And those kids all had great SAT/ACT scores and great college results at the end of their four years there.

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Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the kids there aren't even elite for the most part they simply purchased many expensive prep lessons where they were coached and given answers. So I have to agree with the PP.

They also mostly had straight As with a near 4.0 GPA average. Test prep was a part of it, and there is some privilege that was necessary for that.

But they were also near universally good and hardworking students. Test prep alone wouldn’t get you into TJ. Stop with the strawman.

That test prep is the real difference maker is such a myth. Brilliant, hard-working kids get in to TJ. Average kids that take prep classes do not. That has always been the case until this year.

Except when the fakes make it clear that it is the difference-maker. Curie alone accounts for over 30% of those who got admitted and that's just one place. This whole thread was about people buying the answers. All the evidence indicates otherwise and the majority of parents whose kids are getting in seem to agree or they wouldn't be spending so much on tutors, aops, rsm and test prep.

My kids went to TJ, they did prep, the prep center didn't hand them any answers to them, they only teach on how to solve problems. Don't troll on fake news.

I know but let's be honest they also would've had no chance at admission without those prep classes.

Eh, my child went to TJ and never prepped for the application process. His observation was that the kids who prepped to get into TJ were the kids who needed tutoring and extra help just about every day after school and summers. The kids who didn’t prep tended to be the kids who were more involved in after school activities like sports and music and theatre because they were smart enough that they could get their academic work done and still have time for other activities. And those kids all had great SAT/ACT scores and great college results at the end of their four years there.

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Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the kids there aren't even elite for the most part they simply purchased many expensive prep lessons where they were coached and given answers. So I have to agree with the PP.

They also mostly had straight As with a near 4.0 GPA average. Test prep was a part of it, and there is some privilege that was necessary for that.

But they were also near universally good and hardworking students. Test prep alone wouldn’t get you into TJ. Stop with the strawman.

That test prep is the real difference maker is such a myth. Brilliant, hard-working kids get in to TJ. Average kids that take prep classes do not. That has always been the case until this year.

Except when the fakes make it clear that it is the difference-maker. Curie alone accounts for over 30% of those who got admitted and that's just one place. This whole thread was about people buying the answers. All the evidence indicates otherwise and the majority of parents whose kids are getting in seem to agree or they wouldn't be spending so much on tutors, aops, rsm and test prep.

My kids went to TJ, they did prep, the prep center didn't hand them any answers to them, they only teach on how to solve problems. Don't troll on fake news.

I know but let's be honest they also would've had no chance at admission without those prep classes.

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Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the kids there aren't even elite for the most part they simply purchased many expensive prep lessons where they were coached and given answers. So I have to agree with the PP.

They also mostly had straight As with a near 4.0 GPA average. Test prep was a part of it, and there is some privilege that was necessary for that.

But they were also near universally good and hardworking students. Test prep alone wouldn’t get you into TJ. Stop with the strawman.

That test prep is the real difference maker is such a myth. Brilliant, hard-working kids get in to TJ. Average kids that take prep classes do not. That has always been the case until this year.

Except when the fakes make it clear that it is the difference-maker. Curie alone accounts for over 30% of those who got admitted and that's just one place. This whole thread was about people buying the answers. All the evidence indicates otherwise and the majority of parents whose kids are getting in seem to agree or they wouldn't be spending so much on tutors, aops, rsm and test prep.

My kids went to TJ, they did prep, the prep center didn't hand them any answers to them, they only teach on how to solve problems. Don't troll on fake news.

I know but let's be honest they also would've had no chance at admission without those prep classes.

By requiring the vast majority of future students to enroll in expensive private prep to compete on admissions they keeping admission out of the reach of those who are most vulnerable. It doesn't seem like this is they way public money should be spent. If they can't make it open to all students without substantial investment in private prep they need to shut it down.

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Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the kids there aren't even elite for the most part they simply purchased many expensive prep lessons where they were coached and given answers. So I have to agree with the PP.

They also mostly had straight As with a near 4.0 GPA average. Test prep was a part of it, and there is some privilege that was necessary for that.

But they were also near universally good and hardworking students. Test prep alone wouldn’t get you into TJ. Stop with the strawman.

That test prep is the real difference maker is such a myth. Brilliant, hard-working kids get in to TJ. Average kids that take prep classes do not. That has always been the case until this year.

Except when the fakes make it clear that it is the difference-maker. Curie alone accounts for over 30% of those who got admitted and that's just one place. This whole thread was about people buying the answers. All the evidence indicates otherwise and the majority of parents whose kids are getting in seem to agree or they wouldn't be spending so much on tutors, aops, rsm and test prep.

My kids went to TJ, they did prep, the prep center didn't hand them any answers to them, they only teach on how to solve problems. Don't troll on fake news.

I know but let's be honest they also would've had no chance at admission without those prep classes.

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Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the kids there aren't even elite for the most part they simply purchased many expensive prep lessons where they were coached and given answers. So I have to agree with the PP.

They also mostly had straight As with a near 4.0 GPA average. Test prep was a part of it, and there is some privilege that was necessary for that.

But they were also near universally good and hardworking students. Test prep alone wouldn’t get you into TJ. Stop with the strawman.

That test prep is the real difference maker is such a myth. Brilliant, hard-working kids get in to TJ. Average kids that take prep classes do not. That has always been the case until this year.

Except when the fakes make it clear that it is the difference-maker. Curie alone accounts for over 30% of those who got admitted and that's just one place. This whole thread was about people buying the answers. All the evidence indicates otherwise and the majority of parents whose kids are getting in seem to agree or they wouldn't be spending so much on tutors, aops, rsm and test prep.

My kids went to TJ, they did prep, the prep center didn't hand them any answers to them, they only teach on how to solve problems. Don't troll on fake news.

I know but let's be honest they also would've had no chance at admission without those prep classes.

It does raise the bar and makes a resource more scarce for those who can least afford it and to effectively require private prep to unlock opportunities from a public school does seem wrong.

Here we go again - this argument always circles back to travel league sports, private musical instruments lessons, etc. Basically, anything that has a tryout is a scarce resource and any practice you pay for is therefor "prep."

The fact that both TJ and athletic team spaces are scarce resources does not make them worthy of comparison.

But if you do want to compare them, you should know that different coaches or instructors have different standards for how they select their teams, and have every right to do so.

DP. Why can't they be compared? Is that because mostly white parents pay for travel sports prep?

And so far no evidence has been provided that the TJ prep is necessary for admission. Just because one prep center publish some names, it doesn't mean that's the reason those kids got in. The prep center would like you to think so but there is no evidence to back it up. Getting into semifinalist pool is a very low bar.

Academics is one thing that money can't buy. Otherwise white parents wouldn't resort to cheating to raise their kids' SAT scores. All you need for academic success are work ethics and some books.

White parents pay for travel sports? Asian, Black, Latino and whoever has kids playing are paying for travel sports prep.

Travel sports are actually one of the most diverse cohorts in Northern Virginia. And by diverse I don't mean "all Black and Hispanic kids". I mean legitimately diverse with kids from tons of different areas and populations.

When was the last time you went to an elite swim meet?

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Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the kids there aren't even elite for the most part they simply purchased many expensive prep lessons where they were coached and given answers. So I have to agree with the PP.

They also mostly had straight As with a near 4.0 GPA average. Test prep was a part of it, and there is some privilege that was necessary for that.

But they were also near universally good and hardworking students. Test prep alone wouldn’t get you into TJ. Stop with the strawman.

That test prep is the real difference maker is such a myth. Brilliant, hard-working kids get in to TJ. Average kids that take prep classes do not. That has always been the case until this year.

Except when the fakes make it clear that it is the difference-maker. Curie alone accounts for over 30% of those who got admitted and that's just one place. This whole thread was about people buying the answers. All the evidence indicates otherwise and the majority of parents whose kids are getting in seem to agree or they wouldn't be spending so much on tutors, aops, rsm and test prep.

My kids went to TJ, they did prep, the prep center didn't hand them any answers to them, they only teach on how to solve problems. Don't troll on fake news.

I know but let's be honest they also would've had no chance at admission without those prep classes.

It does raise the bar and makes a resource more scarce for those who can least afford it and to effectively require private prep to unlock opportunities from a public school does seem wrong.

Here we go again - this argument always circles back to travel league sports, private musical instruments lessons, etc. Basically, anything that has a tryout is a scarce resource and any practice you pay for is therefor "prep."

The fact that both TJ and athletic team spaces are scarce resources does not make them worthy of comparison.

But if you do want to compare them, you should know that different coaches or instructors have different standards for how they select their teams, and have every right to do so.

DP. Why can't they be compared? Is that because mostly white parents pay for travel sports prep?

And so far no evidence has been provided that the TJ prep is necessary for admission. Just because one prep center publish some names, it doesn't mean that's the reason those kids got in. The prep center would like you to think so but there is no evidence to back it up. Getting into semifinalist pool is a very low bar.

Academics is one thing that money can't buy. Otherwise white parents wouldn't resort to cheating to raise their kids' SAT scores. All you need for academic success are work ethics and some books.

White parents pay for travel sports? Asian, Black, Latino and whoever has kids playing are paying for travel sports prep.

Travel sports are actually one of the most diverse cohorts in Northern Virginia. And by diverse I don't mean "all Black and Hispanic kids". I mean legitimately diverse with kids from tons of different areas and populations.

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Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the kids there aren't even elite for the most part they simply purchased many expensive prep lessons where they were coached and given answers. So I have to agree with the PP.

They also mostly had straight As with a near 4.0 GPA average. Test prep was a part of it, and there is some privilege that was necessary for that.

But they were also near universally good and hardworking students. Test prep alone wouldn’t get you into TJ. Stop with the strawman.

That test prep is the real difference maker is such a myth. Brilliant, hard-working kids get in to TJ. Average kids that take prep classes do not. That has always been the case until this year.

Except when the fakes make it clear that it is the difference-maker. Curie alone accounts for over 30% of those who got admitted and that's just one place. This whole thread was about people buying the answers. All the evidence indicates otherwise and the majority of parents whose kids are getting in seem to agree or they wouldn't be spending so much on tutors, aops, rsm and test prep.

My kids went to TJ, they did prep, the prep center didn't hand them any answers to them, they only teach on how to solve problems. Don't troll on fake news.

I know but let's be honest they also would've had no chance at admission without those prep classes.

It does raise the bar and makes a resource more scarce for those who can least afford it and to effectively require private prep to unlock opportunities from a public school does seem wrong.

Here we go again - this argument always circles back to travel league sports, private musical instruments lessons, etc. Basically, anything that has a tryout is a scarce resource and any practice you pay for is therefor "prep."

The fact that both TJ and athletic team spaces are scarce resources does not make them worthy of comparison.

But if you do want to compare them, you should know that different coaches or instructors have different standards for how they select their teams, and have every right to do so.

DP. Why can't they be compared? Is that because mostly white parents pay for travel sports prep?

And so far no evidence has been provided that the TJ prep is necessary for admission. Just because one prep center publish some names, it doesn't mean that's the reason those kids got in. The prep center would like you to think so but there is no evidence to back it up. Getting into semifinalist pool is a very low bar.

Academics is one thing that money can't buy. Otherwise white parents wouldn't resort to cheating to raise their kids' SAT scores. All you need for academic success are work ethics and some books.

White parents pay for travel sports? Asian, Black, Latino and whoever has kids playing are paying for travel sports prep.

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Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the kids there aren't even elite for the most part they simply purchased many expensive prep lessons where they were coached and given answers. So I have to agree with the PP.

They also mostly had straight As with a near 4.0 GPA average. Test prep was a part of it, and there is some privilege that was necessary for that.

But they were also near universally good and hardworking students. Test prep alone wouldn’t get you into TJ. Stop with the strawman.

That test prep is the real difference maker is such a myth. Brilliant, hard-working kids get in to TJ. Average kids that take prep classes do not. That has always been the case until this year.

Except when the fakes make it clear that it is the difference-maker. Curie alone accounts for over 30% of those who got admitted and that's just one place. This whole thread was about people buying the answers. All the evidence indicates otherwise and the majority of parents whose kids are getting in seem to agree or they wouldn't be spending so much on tutors, aops, rsm and test prep.

My kids went to TJ, they did prep, the prep center didn't hand them any answers to them, they only teach on how to solve problems. Don't troll on fake news.

They teach "on" how to solve the types of problems that you see on the Quant-Q. The entire point of the Quant-Q is to evaluate students' ability to solve problems that they've never seen before. They're not math problems, they're more like math puzzles. To show kids how to do each type of puzzle before the exam completely defeats the purpose of the exam. And remember, that exam was graded on a curve, so one student's artificially inflated score impacted other students' ability to be selected as semifinalists.

How can you expect anyone to come without preparation. If you take baseball, the hitter knows what the pitcher throws and same with the pitcher who knows about the batter. If you come to the plate without preparation you will be struck out. It is how things work everywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the kids there aren't even elite for the most part they simply purchased many expensive prep lessons where they were coached and given answers. So I have to agree with the PP.

They also mostly had straight As with a near 4.0 GPA average. Test prep was a part of it, and there is some privilege that was necessary for that.

But they were also near universally good and hardworking students. Test prep alone wouldn’t get you into TJ. Stop with the strawman.

That test prep is the real difference maker is such a myth. Brilliant, hard-working kids get in to TJ. Average kids that take prep classes do not. That has always been the case until this year.

Except when the fakes make it clear that it is the difference-maker. Curie alone accounts for over 30% of those who got admitted and that's just one place. This whole thread was about people buying the answers. All the evidence indicates otherwise and the majority of parents whose kids are getting in seem to agree or they wouldn't be spending so much on tutors, aops, rsm and test prep.

My kids went to TJ, they did prep, the prep center didn't hand them any answers to them, they only teach on how to solve problems. Don't troll on fake news.

I know but let's be honest they also would've had no chance at admission without those prep classes.

It does raise the bar and makes a resource more scarce for those who can least afford it and to effectively require private prep to unlock opportunities from a public school does seem wrong.

Here we go again - this argument always circles back to travel league sports, private musical instruments lessons, etc. Basically, anything that has a tryout is a scarce resource and any practice you pay for is therefor "prep."

The fact that both TJ and athletic team spaces are scarce resources does not make them worthy of comparison.

But if you do want to compare them, you should know that different coaches or instructors have different standards for how they select their teams, and have every right to do so.

DP. Why can't they be compared? Is that because mostly white parents pay for travel sports prep?

And so far no evidence has been provided that the TJ prep is necessary for admission. Just because one prep center publish some names, it doesn't mean that's the reason those kids got in. The prep center would like you to think so but there is no evidence to back it up. Getting into semifinalist pool is a very low bar.

Academics is one thing that money can't buy. Otherwise white parents wouldn't resort to cheating to raise their kids' SAT scores. All you need for academic success are work ethics and some books.

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Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the kids there aren't even elite for the most part they simply purchased many expensive prep lessons where they were coached and given answers. So I have to agree with the PP.

They also mostly had straight As with a near 4.0 GPA average. Test prep was a part of it, and there is some privilege that was necessary for that.

But they were also near universally good and hardworking students. Test prep alone wouldn’t get you into TJ. Stop with the strawman.

That test prep is the real difference maker is such a myth. Brilliant, hard-working kids get in to TJ. Average kids that take prep classes do not. That has always been the case until this year.

Except when the fakes make it clear that it is the difference-maker. Curie alone accounts for over 30% of those who got admitted and that's just one place. This whole thread was about people buying the answers. All the evidence indicates otherwise and the majority of parents whose kids are getting in seem to agree or they wouldn't be spending so much on tutors, aops, rsm and test prep.

My kids went to TJ, they did prep, the prep center didn't hand them any answers to them, they only teach on how to solve problems. Don't troll on fake news.

I know but let's be honest they also would've had no chance at admission without those prep classes.

It does raise the bar and makes a resource more scarce for those who can least afford it and to effectively require private prep to unlock opportunities from a public school does seem wrong.

Here we go again - this argument always circles back to travel league sports, private musical instruments lessons, etc. Basically, anything that has a tryout is a scarce resource and any practice you pay for is therefor "prep."

The fact that both TJ and athletic team spaces are scarce resources does not make them worthy of comparison.

But if you do want to compare them, you should know that different coaches or instructors have different standards for how they select their teams, and have every right to do so.

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Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the kids there aren't even elite for the most part they simply purchased many expensive prep lessons where they were coached and given answers. So I have to agree with the PP.

They also mostly had straight As with a near 4.0 GPA average. Test prep was a part of it, and there is some privilege that was necessary for that.

But they were also near universally good and hardworking students. Test prep alone wouldn’t get you into TJ. Stop with the strawman.

That test prep is the real difference maker is such a myth. Brilliant, hard-working kids get in to TJ. Average kids that take prep classes do not. That has always been the case until this year.

Except when the fakes make it clear that it is the difference-maker. Curie alone accounts for over 30% of those who got admitted and that's just one place. This whole thread was about people buying the answers. All the evidence indicates otherwise and the majority of parents whose kids are getting in seem to agree or they wouldn't be spending so much on tutors, aops, rsm and test prep.

My kids went to TJ, they did prep, the prep center didn't hand them any answers to them, they only teach on how to solve problems. Don't troll on fake news.

They teach "on" how to solve the types of problems that you see on the Quant-Q. The entire point of the Quant-Q is to evaluate students' ability to solve problems that they've never seen before. They're not math problems, they're more like math puzzles. To show kids how to do each type of puzzle before the exam completely defeats the purpose of the exam. And remember, that exam was graded on a curve, so one student's artificially inflated score impacted other students' ability to be selected as semifinalists.

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Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the kids there aren't even elite for the most part they simply purchased many expensive prep lessons where they were coached and given answers. So I have to agree with the PP.

They also mostly had straight As with a near 4.0 GPA average. Test prep was a part of it, and there is some privilege that was necessary for that.

But they were also near universally good and hardworking students. Test prep alone wouldn’t get you into TJ. Stop with the strawman.

That test prep is the real difference maker is such a myth. Brilliant, hard-working kids get in to TJ. Average kids that take prep classes do not. That has always been the case until this year.

Except when the fakes make it clear that it is the difference-maker. Curie alone accounts for over 30% of those who got admitted and that's just one place. This whole thread was about people buying the answers. All the evidence indicates otherwise and the majority of parents whose kids are getting in seem to agree or they wouldn't be spending so much on tutors, aops, rsm and test prep.

My kids went to TJ, they did prep, the prep center didn't hand them any answers to them, they only teach on how to solve problems. Don't troll on fake news.

I know but let's be honest they also would've had no chance at admission without those prep classes.

It does raise the bar and makes a resource more scarce for those who can least afford it and to effectively require private prep to unlock opportunities from a public school does seem wrong.

Here we go again - this argument always circles back to travel league sports, private musical instruments lessons, etc. Basically, anything that has a tryout is a scarce resource and any practice you pay for is therefor "prep."