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Anonymous wrote:Who wants to work hard for 4 years with relentless pressure and not have a normal teen dating/social life? C'mon and sign up here! Is TJ's program attractive to more students or is it a case of only interested students are signing up?

Maybe 10% will end up at an Ivy League school. 50% of those who apply to UVA will be rejected.

Unless the school starts admitting more well-rounded kids - if they do, watch those numbers go up QUICK

What are "well-rounded kids"? Why do you assume TJ kids are not well-rounded?

Plenty of TJ kids are well-rounded. Plenty of them are also not. If you are around TJ in any capacity, you know this. If they were, they'd have more success getting into schools like UVA. Perhaps not the Ivies, but definitely UVA.

I'm a TJ parent and I am not in the business of judging other children. My child is happy at school, has a good group of friends, and is pretty well-rounded for me. That is all that matters. And, what is the fascination with UVA? College acceptance rates from TJ are quite good. But we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

"Well-rounded" is code for a way to discriminate against Asians in college admissions.

Asians can't be well rounded?

That isn't what was said. "Well rounded" is subjective, so it is a way to rationalize not accepting a group with the highest objective (standardized tests, GPA, rank) measures.

don't studies show that actual well rounded kids ultimately do better than the highest ranked? I know when I hire, if I see a college athlete who managed to get good grades that they know how to prioritize and probably have a good work ethic. Look at the background of fortune 500 ceos or executives and you'll see 'well rounded' disproportionately represented

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Anonymous wrote:Who wants to work hard for 4 years with relentless pressure and not have a normal teen dating/social life? C'mon and sign up here! Is TJ's program attractive to more students or is it a case of only interested students are signing up?

Maybe 10% will end up at an Ivy League school. 50% of those who apply to UVA will be rejected.

Unless the school starts admitting more well-rounded kids - if they do, watch those numbers go up QUICK

What are "well-rounded kids"? Why do you assume TJ kids are not well-rounded?

Plenty of TJ kids are well-rounded. Plenty of them are also not. If you are around TJ in any capacity, you know this. If they were, they'd have more success getting into schools like UVA. Perhaps not the Ivies, but definitely UVA.

I'm a TJ parent and I am not in the business of judging other children. My child is happy at school, has a good group of friends, and is pretty well-rounded for me. That is all that matters. And, what is the fascination with UVA? College acceptance rates from TJ are quite good. But we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

"Well-rounded" is code for a way to discriminate against Asians in college admissions.

Asians can't be well rounded?

That isn't what was said. "Well rounded" is subjective, so it is a way to rationalize not accepting a group with the highest objective (standardized tests, GPA, rank) measures.

Asians certainly can be well-rounded, and many of them from TJ are. And many students from other races are not well-rounded at all.

College is a business, and they have determined over the years that the objective measures that you cited are poor predictors of whether or not a student will be of future value to the school through things like donations, fame, and increased applications.

Much like TJ, elite universities would see a decrease in applications, and therefore prestige, and therefore eventually rankings, if their classes were 75-80% Asian. It's not good business for them, therefore, to make decisions based on poor indicators of what will generate interest and wealth for them.

Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone targeting this particular place? Why not post the statistics of other prepping places? maybe other places have 35% or 50% success rate? I'm sure all the prepping places are monitoring and responding in this thread. So please defend yourself and post statistics of your competitors, so that people can make decisions.
On the same note, post which sport coaches have good success rate so that it will help parents who are focusing on sports.
Lets make this thread a one stop shop for advising/advertising

Why are we examining Curie?

Multiple TJ students have stated in public forums that they had access to the Quant Q ahead of time. They have stated that they were asked to go directly after the test and give Curie the specific questions on the test. This is despite having signed a statement that they would not share information about the test.

The TJ prep industry is a very robust and competitive market. There are literally dozens of companies and tutors. That one company was able to get 28% of the class of 2024 is extremely suspect. If it was just on the 28% alone, we might be able to just say okay, they are good at teaching to a test. However, since we have multiple students saying that they HAD A COPY OF THE TEST, it logically leads to that the reaosn that they got 28% of the class is due to wide-spread cheating.

It also is a unique situation because Curie publishes the names of their students that are admitted to TJ/AOS/AET in 2022, 2023 and 2024 on their Facebook page. (They took down the posts with the list of names for 2024 and 2023 yesterday, but the lists are still out there.) They got 51 in 2022, 91 in 2023 and 133 in 2024. Something very suspect is clearly going on - what is the reason for the change from 51 to 133 in just two years?

Why is everyone targeting this particular place? Why not post the statistics of other prepping places? maybe other places have 35% or 50% success rate? I'm sure all the prepping places are monitoring and responding in this thread. So please defend yourself and post statistics of your competitors, so that people can make decisions.
On the same note, post which sport coaches have good success rate so that it will help parents who are focusing on sports.
Lets make this thread a one stop shop for advising/advertising

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Anonymous wrote:Who wants to work hard for 4 years with relentless pressure and not have a normal teen dating/social life? C'mon and sign up here! Is TJ's program attractive to more students or is it a case of only interested students are signing up?

Maybe 10% will end up at an Ivy League school. 50% of those who apply to UVA will be rejected.

Unless the school starts admitting more well-rounded kids - if they do, watch those numbers go up QUICK

What are "well-rounded kids"? Why do you assume TJ kids are not well-rounded?

Plenty of TJ kids are well-rounded. Plenty of them are also not. If you are around TJ in any capacity, you know this. If they were, they'd have more success getting into schools like UVA. Perhaps not the Ivies, but definitely UVA.

TJ students as a cohort have the highest average GPA at UVA and attend the best graduate schools. UVA has decreased acceptance rate from TJ over time because their yield rate has been low. Top TJ students go elsewhere.

So insecure you need to make excuses? The TJ students at UVA may have a higher GPA than other HS but it is because they have a much higher hurdle to jump to get in. They are compared to the top TJ applicants, many whom use UVA as a safety school. The lower half to 2/3 of TJ is not getting into the elite schools unless they have a strong hook.

No, just saying UVA should be admitting more if they are the top performing students.

UVA has one of the strictest honor codes around. Cheaters are not tolerated. Possible that this has to do with the low admissions rate?

Didn't stop them accepting Ted Kennedy . . .

These are not convicted cheaters. It is speculation, perhaps from those who are jealous. I suspect UVA saw a low yield from TJ and dialed back acceptances.

The part about yield is correct, but there is a long and detailed history of TJ students cheating. They have a person on their staff for whom about 80% of their job is dealing with Honor Code violations and the ensuing Restorative Justice process. That person wouldn't have a job if it weren't for the fact that TJ students are notorious for bending the rules until they break.

The yield thing is NOT correct. It has no basis in fact. UVA does not yield protect. The yield for TJ students would actually improve if the accepted more TJ kids from the bottom half.

Actually, TJ students think UVA is a joke especially the stem programs.

Not a joke, but top ones are clearly targeting better STEM programs.

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Anonymous wrote:Who wants to work hard for 4 years with relentless pressure and not have a normal teen dating/social life? C'mon and sign up here! Is TJ's program attractive to more students or is it a case of only interested students are signing up?

Maybe 10% will end up at an Ivy League school. 50% of those who apply to UVA will be rejected.

Unless the school starts admitting more well-rounded kids - if they do, watch those numbers go up QUICK

What are "well-rounded kids"? Why do you assume TJ kids are not well-rounded?

Plenty of TJ kids are well-rounded. Plenty of them are also not. If you are around TJ in any capacity, you know this. If they were, they'd have more success getting into schools like UVA. Perhaps not the Ivies, but definitely UVA.

I'm a TJ parent and I am not in the business of judging other children. My child is happy at school, has a good group of friends, and is pretty well-rounded for me. That is all that matters. And, what is the fascination with UVA? College acceptance rates from TJ are quite good. But we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

"Well-rounded" is code for a way to discriminate against Asians in college admissions.

Asians can't be well rounded?

That isn't what was said. "Well rounded" is subjective, so it is a way to rationalize not accepting a group with the highest objective (standardized tests, GPA, rank) measures.

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Anonymous wrote:Who wants to work hard for 4 years with relentless pressure and not have a normal teen dating/social life? C'mon and sign up here! Is TJ's program attractive to more students or is it a case of only interested students are signing up?

Maybe 10% will end up at an Ivy League school. 50% of those who apply to UVA will be rejected.

Unless the school starts admitting more well-rounded kids - if they do, watch those numbers go up QUICK

What are "well-rounded kids"? Why do you assume TJ kids are not well-rounded?

Plenty of TJ kids are well-rounded. Plenty of them are also not. If you are around TJ in any capacity, you know this. If they were, they'd have more success getting into schools like UVA. Perhaps not the Ivies, but definitely UVA.

TJ students as a cohort have the highest average GPA at UVA and attend the best graduate schools. UVA has decreased acceptance rate from TJ over time because their yield rate has been low. Top TJ students go elsewhere.

So insecure you need to make excuses? The TJ students at UVA may have a higher GPA than other HS but it is because they have a much higher hurdle to jump to get in. They are compared to the top TJ applicants, many whom use UVA as a safety school. The lower half to 2/3 of TJ is not getting into the elite schools unless they have a strong hook.

No, just saying UVA should be admitting more if they are the top performing students.

UVA has one of the strictest honor codes around. Cheaters are not tolerated. Possible that this has to do with the low admissions rate?

Didn't stop them accepting Ted Kennedy . . .

These are not convicted cheaters. It is speculation, perhaps from those who are jealous. I suspect UVA saw a low yield from TJ and dialed back acceptances.

The part about yield is correct, but there is a long and detailed history of TJ students cheating. They have a person on their staff for whom about 80% of their job is dealing with Honor Code violations and the ensuing Restorative Justice process. That person wouldn't have a job if it weren't for the fact that TJ students are notorious for bending the rules until they break.

The yield thing is NOT correct. It has no basis in fact. UVA does not yield protect. The yield for TJ students would actually improve if the accepted more TJ kids from the bottom half.

Actually, TJ students think UVA is a joke especially the stem programs.

If that were true, they wouldn't be so busted up every year about not getting in. Nice try.

The number going to UVA (and also other state universities) has been going down. More have been going out of state.

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Anonymous wrote:Who wants to work hard for 4 years with relentless pressure and not have a normal teen dating/social life? C'mon and sign up here! Is TJ's program attractive to more students or is it a case of only interested students are signing up?

Maybe 10% will end up at an Ivy League school. 50% of those who apply to UVA will be rejected.

Unless the school starts admitting more well-rounded kids - if they do, watch those numbers go up QUICK

What are "well-rounded kids"? Why do you assume TJ kids are not well-rounded?

Plenty of TJ kids are well-rounded. Plenty of them are also not. If you are around TJ in any capacity, you know this. If they were, they'd have more success getting into schools like UVA. Perhaps not the Ivies, but definitely UVA.

I'm a TJ parent and I am not in the business of judging other children. My child is happy at school, has a good group of friends, and is pretty well-rounded for me. That is all that matters. And, what is the fascination with UVA? College acceptance rates from TJ are quite good. But we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

"Well-rounded" is code for a way to discriminate against Asians in college admissions.

Asians can't be well rounded?

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Anonymous wrote:Who wants to work hard for 4 years with relentless pressure and not have a normal teen dating/social life? C'mon and sign up here! Is TJ's program attractive to more students or is it a case of only interested students are signing up?

Maybe 10% will end up at an Ivy League school. 50% of those who apply to UVA will be rejected.

Unless the school starts admitting more well-rounded kids - if they do, watch those numbers go up QUICK

What are "well-rounded kids"? Why do you assume TJ kids are not well-rounded?

Plenty of TJ kids are well-rounded. Plenty of them are also not. If you are around TJ in any capacity, you know this. If they were, they'd have more success getting into schools like UVA. Perhaps not the Ivies, but definitely UVA.

I'm a TJ parent and I am not in the business of judging other children. My child is happy at school, has a good group of friends, and is pretty well-rounded for me. That is all that matters. And, what is the fascination with UVA? College acceptance rates from TJ are quite good. But we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

"Well-rounded" is code for a way to discriminate against Asians in college admissions.

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I wish that people would start their own thread for these pro/con etc TJ posts.

This thread is focused on a very specific and credible accusation - one prep company systematically helped 25% of the class of 2024 cheat their way to admission. This same company also apparently only preps students of a specific ethnicity and also lobbied LCPS to maintain TJ participation to preserve their business model.

THIS!

Except it’s actually 28% of the class . . .

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Anonymous wrote:Who wants to work hard for 4 years with relentless pressure and not have a normal teen dating/social life? C'mon and sign up here! Is TJ's program attractive to more students or is it a case of only interested students are signing up?

Maybe 10% will end up at an Ivy League school. 50% of those who apply to UVA will be rejected.

Unless the school starts admitting more well-rounded kids - if they do, watch those numbers go up QUICK

What are "well-rounded kids"? Why do you assume TJ kids are not well-rounded?

Plenty of TJ kids are well-rounded. Plenty of them are also not. If you are around TJ in any capacity, you know this. If they were, they'd have more success getting into schools like UVA. Perhaps not the Ivies, but definitely UVA.

TJ students as a cohort have the highest average GPA at UVA and attend the best graduate schools. UVA has decreased acceptance rate from TJ over time because their yield rate has been low. Top TJ students go elsewhere.

So insecure you need to make excuses? The TJ students at UVA may have a higher GPA than other HS but it is because they have a much higher hurdle to jump to get in. They are compared to the top TJ applicants, many whom use UVA as a safety school. The lower half to 2/3 of TJ is not getting into the elite schools unless they have a strong hook.

No, just saying UVA should be admitting more if they are the top performing students.

UVA has one of the strictest honor codes around. Cheaters are not tolerated. Possible that this has to do with the low admissions rate?

Didn't stop them accepting Ted Kennedy . . .

These are not convicted cheaters. It is speculation, perhaps from those who are jealous. I suspect UVA saw a low yield from TJ and dialed back acceptances.

The part about yield is correct, but there is a long and detailed history of TJ students cheating. They have a person on their staff for whom about 80% of their job is dealing with Honor Code violations and the ensuing Restorative Justice process. That person wouldn't have a job if it weren't for the fact that TJ students are notorious for bending the rules until they break.

The yield thing is NOT correct. It has no basis in fact. UVA does not yield protect. The yield for TJ students would actually improve if the accepted more TJ kids from the bottom half.

UVA absolutely yield protects. All institutions that go out of their way to publish their yield rate do this, even if they don't openly admit it. And they're not going to go after TJ students from the bottom half of the class until the bottom half of the class is significantly more well-rounded and accomplished than they currently are. They have better options in the top end of other schools in Northern Virginia, some of whom were turned down from TJ or didn't apply in the first place.

Sorry, no yield protection. You are a conveyor of Fake News and Conspiracy Theories.

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Anonymous wrote:Who wants to work hard for 4 years with relentless pressure and not have a normal teen dating/social life? C'mon and sign up here! Is TJ's program attractive to more students or is it a case of only interested students are signing up?

Maybe 10% will end up at an Ivy League school. 50% of those who apply to UVA will be rejected.

Unless the school starts admitting more well-rounded kids - if they do, watch those numbers go up QUICK

What are "well-rounded kids"? Why do you assume TJ kids are not well-rounded?

Plenty of TJ kids are well-rounded. Plenty of them are also not. If you are around TJ in any capacity, you know this. If they were, they'd have more success getting into schools like UVA. Perhaps not the Ivies, but definitely UVA.

TJ students as a cohort have the highest average GPA at UVA and attend the best graduate schools. UVA has decreased acceptance rate from TJ over time because their yield rate has been low. Top TJ students go elsewhere.

So insecure you need to make excuses? The TJ students at UVA may have a higher GPA than other HS but it is because they have a much higher hurdle to jump to get in. They are compared to the top TJ applicants, many whom use UVA as a safety school. The lower half to 2/3 of TJ is not getting into the elite schools unless they have a strong hook.

No, just saying UVA should be admitting more if they are the top performing students.

UVA has one of the strictest honor codes around. Cheaters are not tolerated. Possible that this has to do with the low admissions rate?

Didn't stop them accepting Ted Kennedy . . .

These are not convicted cheaters. It is speculation, perhaps from those who are jealous. I suspect UVA saw a low yield from TJ and dialed back acceptances.

The part about yield is correct, but there is a long and detailed history of TJ students cheating. They have a person on their staff for whom about 80% of their job is dealing with Honor Code violations and the ensuing Restorative Justice process. That person wouldn't have a job if it weren't for the fact that TJ students are notorious for bending the rules until they break.

The yield thing is NOT correct. It has no basis in fact. UVA does not yield protect. The yield for TJ students would actually improve if the accepted more TJ kids from the bottom half.

UVA absolutely yield protects. All institutions that go out of their way to publish their yield rate do this, even if they don't openly admit it. And they're not going to go after TJ students from the bottom half of the class until the bottom half of the class is significantly more well-rounded and accomplished than they currently are. They have better options in the top end of other schools in Northern Virginia, some of whom were turned down from TJ or didn't apply in the first place.

Sorry, no yield protection. You are a conveyor of Fake News and Conspiracy Theories.

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Anonymous wrote:Who wants to work hard for 4 years with relentless pressure and not have a normal teen dating/social life? C'mon and sign up here! Is TJ's program attractive to more students or is it a case of only interested students are signing up?

Maybe 10% will end up at an Ivy League school. 50% of those who apply to UVA will be rejected.

Unless the school starts admitting more well-rounded kids - if they do, watch those numbers go up QUICK

What are "well-rounded kids"? Why do you assume TJ kids are not well-rounded?

Plenty of TJ kids are well-rounded. Plenty of them are also not. If you are around TJ in any capacity, you know this. If they were, they'd have more success getting into schools like UVA. Perhaps not the Ivies, but definitely UVA.

TJ students as a cohort have the highest average GPA at UVA and attend the best graduate schools. UVA has decreased acceptance rate from TJ over time because their yield rate has been low. Top TJ students go elsewhere.

So insecure you need to make excuses? The TJ students at UVA may have a higher GPA than other HS but it is because they have a much higher hurdle to jump to get in. They are compared to the top TJ applicants, many whom use UVA as a safety school. The lower half to 2/3 of TJ is not getting into the elite schools unless they have a strong hook.

No, just saying UVA should be admitting more if they are the top performing students.

UVA has one of the strictest honor codes around. Cheaters are not tolerated. Possible that this has to do with the low admissions rate?

Didn't stop them accepting Ted Kennedy . . .

These are not convicted cheaters. It is speculation, perhaps from those who are jealous. I suspect UVA saw a low yield from TJ and dialed back acceptances.

The part about yield is correct, but there is a long and detailed history of TJ students cheating. They have a person on their staff for whom about 80% of their job is dealing with Honor Code violations and the ensuing Restorative Justice process. That person wouldn't have a job if it weren't for the fact that TJ students are notorious for bending the rules until they break.

The yield thing is NOT correct. It has no basis in fact. UVA does not yield protect. The yield for TJ students would actually improve if the accepted more TJ kids from the bottom half.

UVA absolutely yield protects. All institutions that go out of their way to publish their yield rate do this, even if they don't openly admit it. And they're not going to go after TJ students from the bottom half of the class until the bottom half of the class is significantly more well-rounded and accomplished than they currently are. They have better options in the top end of other schools in Northern Virginia, some of whom were turned down from TJ or didn't apply in the first place.

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Anonymous wrote:Who wants to work hard for 4 years with relentless pressure and not have a normal teen dating/social life? C'mon and sign up here! Is TJ's program attractive to more students or is it a case of only interested students are signing up?

Maybe 10% will end up at an Ivy League school. 50% of those who apply to UVA will be rejected.

Unless the school starts admitting more well-rounded kids - if they do, watch those numbers go up QUICK

What are "well-rounded kids"? Why do you assume TJ kids are not well-rounded?

Plenty of TJ kids are well-rounded. Plenty of them are also not. If you are around TJ in any capacity, you know this. If they were, they'd have more success getting into schools like UVA. Perhaps not the Ivies, but definitely UVA.

TJ students as a cohort have the highest average GPA at UVA and attend the best graduate schools. UVA has decreased acceptance rate from TJ over time because their yield rate has been low. Top TJ students go elsewhere.

So insecure you need to make excuses? The TJ students at UVA may have a higher GPA than other HS but it is because they have a much higher hurdle to jump to get in. They are compared to the top TJ applicants, many whom use UVA as a safety school. The lower half to 2/3 of TJ is not getting into the elite schools unless they have a strong hook.

No, just saying UVA should be admitting more if they are the top performing students.

UVA has one of the strictest honor codes around. Cheaters are not tolerated. Possible that this has to do with the low admissions rate?

Didn't stop them accepting Ted Kennedy . . .

These are not convicted cheaters. It is speculation, perhaps from those who are jealous. I suspect UVA saw a low yield from TJ and dialed back acceptances.

The part about yield is correct, but there is a long and detailed history of TJ students cheating. They have a person on their staff for whom about 80% of their job is dealing with Honor Code violations and the ensuing Restorative Justice process. That person wouldn't have a job if it weren't for the fact that TJ students are notorious for bending the rules until they break.

The yield thing is NOT correct. It has no basis in fact. UVA does not yield protect. The yield for TJ students would actually improve if the accepted more TJ kids from the bottom half.

Actually, TJ students think UVA is a joke especially the stem programs.

If that were true, they wouldn't be so busted up every year about not getting in. Nice try.

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Anonymous wrote:Who wants to work hard for 4 years with relentless pressure and not have a normal teen dating/social life? C'mon and sign up here! Is TJ's program attractive to more students or is it a case of only interested students are signing up?

Maybe 10% will end up at an Ivy League school. 50% of those who apply to UVA will be rejected.

Unless the school starts admitting more well-rounded kids - if they do, watch those numbers go up QUICK

What are "well-rounded kids"? Why do you assume TJ kids are not well-rounded?

Plenty of TJ kids are well-rounded. Plenty of them are also not. If you are around TJ in any capacity, you know this. If they were, they'd have more success getting into schools like UVA. Perhaps not the Ivies, but definitely UVA.

TJ students as a cohort have the highest average GPA at UVA and attend the best graduate schools. UVA has decreased acceptance rate from TJ over time because their yield rate has been low. Top TJ students go elsewhere.

So insecure you need to make excuses? The TJ students at UVA may have a higher GPA than other HS but it is because they have a much higher hurdle to jump to get in. They are compared to the top TJ applicants, many whom use UVA as a safety school. The lower half to 2/3 of TJ is not getting into the elite schools unless they have a strong hook.

No, just saying UVA should be admitting more if they are the top performing students.

UVA has one of the strictest honor codes around. Cheaters are not tolerated. Possible that this has to do with the low admissions rate?

Didn't stop them accepting Ted Kennedy . . .

These are not convicted cheaters. It is speculation, perhaps from those who are jealous. I suspect UVA saw a low yield from TJ and dialed back acceptances.

The part about yield is correct, but there is a long and detailed history of TJ students cheating. They have a person on their staff for whom about 80% of their job is dealing with Honor Code violations and the ensuing Restorative Justice process. That person wouldn't have a job if it weren't for the fact that TJ students are notorious for bending the rules until they break.

The yield thing is NOT correct. It has no basis in fact. UVA does not yield protect. The yield for TJ students would actually improve if the accepted more TJ kids from the bottom half.

Actually, TJ students think UVA is a joke especially the stem programs.