Anonymous
10/17/2020 22:34
Subject: US soccer rumors of changing back age groups?
Anonymous wrote:US Soccer is looking into it. The development platform for girls is now college. NCAA soccer system is widely seen as the sole US advantage on the women’s side. Men’s side is different due to the professional money in MLS and international club system. The best men get signed professionally early and don’t go to college. It is all part of the dismantling of DA. It will happen to align with the women’s college development platform.
I agree
Anonymous
10/17/2020 15:59
Subject: US soccer rumors of changing back age groups?
Anonymous wrote:US Soccer is looking into it. The development platform for girls is now college. NCAA soccer system is widely seen as the sole US advantage on the women’s side. Men’s side is different due to the professional money in MLS and international club system. The best men get signed professionally early and don’t go to college. It is all part of the dismantling of DA. It will happen to align with the women’s college development platform.
US Soccer doesn't care about college soccer. It just doesn't matter if it is slightly easier for college coaches or not.
People have this belief that college coaches just go to showcases pull up to a random game and just watch and come up with a list of players to recruit from the game.
There is no real reason to cater any age cutoff for the benefit of colleges because the impact is pretty minimal.
What US Soccer does care about is their National Team and it is far easier for them to scout players based on international cutoff standards where their kids will be playing.
US soccer changed to Birth Year for their benefit and the reasons for that initial change have not changed at all for US Soccer.
Anonymous
10/17/2020 15:49
Subject: US soccer rumors of changing back age groups?
US Soccer is looking into it. The development platform for girls is now college. NCAA soccer system is widely seen as the sole US advantage on the women’s side. Men’s side is different due to the professional money in MLS and international club system. The best men get signed professionally early and don’t go to college. It is all part of the dismantling of DA. It will happen to align with the women’s college development platform.
Anonymous
10/17/2020 15:34
Subject: Re:US soccer rumors of changing back age groups?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Girls lacrosse is school grade and it’s terribly unfair due to excessive redshirting around here.
US lacrosse changed to birth year and NGLL (this area) didn’t follow.
Agree with this, too many girls that are nearly a full year older than their peers.
Whats the difference between a January 2004 birthday and a December 2004 birthday? A whole year. This is the problem. It always favor the older kids regardless the cutoff. Its a no win for the younger kids
With school grade it could be Jan 2004 playing against December 2006.
Which is likely to produce more variation in age? Question answer itself. Grade-based. This is beyond stupid.
Birth year. 1/3 of your kid’s classmates are playing up - no matter what. We are programmed to compare our kids based on other 2005s or 2004s. That’s all wrong. Compare them vs classmates. Look at the grad years. That’s what college coaches will do.
Nonsense. I grew up playing with the old way and hated it. Birth year maximally produces 364 days difference. If you are playing up, so be it. But it's rare and a function of ability. The problem is that if your kid is smart (mine is), advanced by a year (he is), and surrounded by average-intelligence kids whose dumber parents redshirt them in kindergarten so they can go to James Madison instead of community college, your stuck playing with a bunch of dumb big kids. Do you want me to go on? Because I can.
I hate to break it to you. But redshirting happens and nothing you can will change it. Do you think that college coaches care that the older graduating senior who was held back and has an extra year of maturity, size and strength is unfairly a better prospect that your kid? They don’t care. Unfair? They don’t care. It happens all the time in football and other sports. You are already competing against your graduating class. And when you get to college it’s kids 3 years older taking your field time. The current system only falsely protects and makes Jan-Jun kids look great until recruiting time. Recruiting happens by class and that’s how the kids should play.
96% of kids don't get recruited. It just doesn't matter. Colleges figure it out. Youth soccer is under no obligation to arrange cutoff years to suit college recruiting.
There are lots of things that actually should be done to mitigate RAE but aren't being done. Changing from birth to graduation year does little to combat RAE.
Anonymous
10/17/2020 15:30
Subject: Re:US soccer rumors of changing back age groups?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Girls lacrosse is school grade and it’s terribly unfair due to excessive redshirting around here.
US lacrosse changed to birth year and NGLL (this area) didn’t follow.
Agree with this, too many girls that are nearly a full year older than their peers.
Whats the difference between a January 2004 birthday and a December 2004 birthday? A whole year. This is the problem. It always favor the older kids regardless the cutoff. Its a no win for the younger kids
With school grade it could be Jan 2004 playing against December 2006.
Which is likely to produce more variation in age? Question answer itself. Grade-based. This is beyond stupid.
Birth year. 1/3 of your kid’s classmates are playing up - no matter what. We are programmed to compare our kids based on other 2005s or 2004s. That’s all wrong. Compare them vs classmates. Look at the grad years. That’s what college coaches will do.
Nonsense. I grew up playing with the old way and hated it. Birth year maximally produces 364 days difference. If you are playing up, so be it. But it's rare and a function of ability. The problem is that if your kid is smart (mine is), advanced by a year (he is), and surrounded by average-intelligence kids whose dumber parents redshirt them in kindergarten so they can go to James Madison instead of community college, your stuck playing with a bunch of dumb big kids. Do you want me to go on? Because I can.
I hate to break it to you. But redshirting happens and nothing you can will change it. Do you think that college coaches care that the older graduating senior who was held back and has an extra year of maturity, size and strength is unfairly a better prospect that your kid? They don’t care. Unfair? They don’t care. It happens all the time in football and other sports. You are already competing against your graduating class. And when you get to college it’s kids 3 years older taking your field time. The current system only falsely protects and makes Jan-Jun kids look great until recruiting time. Recruiting happens by class and that’s how the kids should play.
Anonymous
10/17/2020 14:56
Subject: Re:US soccer rumors of changing back age groups?
It is always amazing that College Coaches recruited HS football players all these years with 4 graduating classes of kids on the same field at the same time.
Anonymous
10/17/2020 14:51
Subject: Re:US soccer rumors of changing back age groups?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Girls lacrosse is school grade and it’s terribly unfair due to excessive redshirting around here.
US lacrosse changed to birth year and NGLL (this area) didn’t follow.
Agree with this, too many girls that are nearly a full year older than their peers.
Whats the difference between a January 2004 birthday and a December 2004 birthday? A whole year. This is the problem. It always favor the older kids regardless the cutoff. Its a no win for the younger kids
With school grade it could be Jan 2004 playing against December 2006.
Which is likely to produce more variation in age? Question answer itself. Grade-based. This is beyond stupid.
Birth year. 1/3 of your kid’s classmates are playing up - no matter what. We are programmed to compare our kids based on other 2005s or 2004s. That’s all wrong. Compare them vs classmates. Look at the grad years. That’s what college coaches will do.
Nonsense. I grew up playing with the old way and hated it. Birth year maximally produces 364 days difference. If you are playing up, so be it. But it's rare and a function of ability. The problem is that if your kid is smart (mine is), advanced by a year (he is), and surrounded by average-intelligence kids whose dumber parents redshirt them in kindergarten so they can go to James Madison instead of community college, your stuck playing with a bunch of dumb big kids. Do you want me to go on? Because I can.
DP. It is always interesting to see Dunning Kruger in action.
Anonymous
10/17/2020 14:44
Subject: US soccer rumors of changing back age groups?
Anonymous wrote:Moving to the Aug1 - Jul31 model will align players with college recruiting as the new platform for development. The NCAA rule change to delay in recruiting impacted this situation. College coaches want to see players on the field with classmates to better judge the talent pool. It makes little sense right now to have 1/3 of the junior class born after August 03 playing with committed seniors (U18/19) and makes even less sense next spring. The younger 03 players are now all playing up a year for college recruiting! It would be better to add that pool of talent to the U17s. It’s not fair to the older 05s who now have 1/3 of their ‘23 classmates (born after Aug 2004) automatically playing up getting exposure with ‘22 Juniors and makes recruiting a mess. Let 10th graders play with 10th graders and 11th graders play with 11th graders.
Exactly this. This move originally was done in part to hamstring the college system because US Soccer wants to get colleges out of the high level soccer game, for a variety of reasons (some good, some not good). But unfortunately for US soccer, kids still want to go to college and play college. If you have any interaction with college coaches, they generally want to switch back to school calendar.
If you want your kid to play college soccer, switching back is a good idea.
Anonymous
10/17/2020 14:28
Subject: Re:US soccer rumors of changing back age groups?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Girls lacrosse is school grade and it’s terribly unfair due to excessive redshirting around here.
US lacrosse changed to birth year and NGLL (this area) didn’t follow.
Agree with this, too many girls that are nearly a full year older than their peers.
Whats the difference between a January 2004 birthday and a December 2004 birthday? A whole year. This is the problem. It always favor the older kids regardless the cutoff. Its a no win for the younger kids
With school grade it could be Jan 2004 playing against December 2006.
Which is likely to produce more variation in age? Question answer itself. Grade-based. This is beyond stupid.
Birth year. 1/3 of your kid’s classmates are playing up - no matter what. We are programmed to compare our kids based on other 2005s or 2004s. That’s all wrong. Compare them vs classmates. Look at the grad years. That’s what college coaches will do.
Nonsense. I grew up playing with the old way and hated it. Birth year maximally produces 364 days difference. If you are playing up, so be it. But it's rare and a function of ability. The problem is that if your kid is smart (mine is), advanced by a year (he is), and surrounded by average-intelligence kids whose dumber parents redshirt them in kindergarten so they can go to James Madison instead of community college, your stuck playing with a bunch of dumb big kids. Do you want me to go on? Because I can.
Must be your wife's genes
They don’t hurt - I think it is probably a joint venture genetically unless you reproduce asexually, which sounds like it may be your best option!
Anonymous
10/17/2020 13:19
Subject: US soccer rumors of changing back age groups?
Anonymous wrote:At some point there will be a soccer league that will do what NGLL did and form based on grad year 2021, 2022, 2023, etc. Maybe it will be ECNL or GA or both. College coaches will prefer it. So will players.
Or they could just continue with the things the way they are...because you know it really is not an issue. I think they will address other pressing issues like the number of eyelets allowed on shoes.
Anonymous
10/17/2020 13:07
Subject: Re:US soccer rumors of changing back age groups?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Girls lacrosse is school grade and it’s terribly unfair due to excessive redshirting around here.
US lacrosse changed to birth year and NGLL (this area) didn’t follow.
Agree with this, too many girls that are nearly a full year older than their peers.
Whats the difference between a January 2004 birthday and a December 2004 birthday? A whole year. This is the problem. It always favor the older kids regardless the cutoff. Its a no win for the younger kids
With school grade it could be Jan 2004 playing against December 2006.
Which is likely to produce more variation in age? Question answer itself. Grade-based. This is beyond stupid.
Birth year. 1/3 of your kid’s classmates are playing up - no matter what. We are programmed to compare our kids based on other 2005s or 2004s. That’s all wrong. Compare them vs classmates. Look at the grad years. That’s what college coaches will do.
Nonsense. I grew up playing with the old way and hated it. Birth year maximally produces 364 days difference. If you are playing up, so be it. But it's rare and a function of ability. The problem is that if your kid is smart (mine is), advanced by a year (he is), and surrounded by average-intelligence kids whose dumber parents redshirt them in kindergarten so they can go to James Madison instead of community college, your stuck playing with a bunch of dumb big kids. Do you want me to go on? Because I can.
Must be your wife's genes
Anonymous
10/17/2020 12:17
Subject: Re:US soccer rumors of changing back age groups?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Girls lacrosse is school grade and it’s terribly unfair due to excessive redshirting around here.
US lacrosse changed to birth year and NGLL (this area) didn’t follow.
Agree with this, too many girls that are nearly a full year older than their peers.
Whats the difference between a January 2004 birthday and a December 2004 birthday? A whole year. This is the problem. It always favor the older kids regardless the cutoff. Its a no win for the younger kids
With school grade it could be Jan 2004 playing against December 2006.
Which is likely to produce more variation in age? Question answer itself. Grade-based. This is beyond stupid.
Birth year. 1/3 of your kid’s classmates are playing up - no matter what. We are programmed to compare our kids based on other 2005s or 2004s. That’s all wrong. Compare them vs classmates. Look at the grad years. That’s what college coaches will do.
Nonsense. I grew up playing with the old way and hated it. Birth year maximally produces 364 days difference. If you are playing up, so be it. But it's rare and a function of ability. The problem is that if your kid is smart (mine is), advanced by a year (he is), and surrounded by average-intelligence kids whose dumber parents redshirt them in kindergarten so they can go to James Madison instead of community college, your stuck playing with a bunch of dumb big kids. Do you want me to go on? Because I can.
Anonymous
10/17/2020 10:09
Subject: US soccer rumors of changing back age groups?
At some point there will be a soccer league that will do what NGLL did and form based on grad year 2021, 2022, 2023, etc. Maybe it will be ECNL or GA or both. College coaches will prefer it. So will players.
Anonymous
10/17/2020 10:01
Subject: Re:US soccer rumors of changing back age groups?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Girls lacrosse is school grade and it’s terribly unfair due to excessive redshirting around here.
US lacrosse changed to birth year and NGLL (this area) didn’t follow.
Agree with this, too many girls that are nearly a full year older than their peers.
Whats the difference between a January 2004 birthday and a December 2004 birthday? A whole year. This is the problem. It always favor the older kids regardless the cutoff. Its a no win for the younger kids
With school grade it could be Jan 2004 playing against December 2006.
Which is likely to produce more variation in age? Question answer itself. Grade-based. This is beyond stupid.
Birth year. 1/3 of your kid’s classmates are playing up - no matter what. We are programmed to compare our kids based on other 2005s or 2004s. That’s all wrong. Compare them vs classmates. Look at the grad years. That’s what college coaches will do.
And college coaches have been doing this regardless of age breakdown. Youth soccer is under no obligation to college soccer coaches to make age groupings convenient for them especially considering the small number of players who continue playing on in college.
Player contacts coach, tells them their graduating year, position, number and schedule. Coach goes and watches the game that fits within their schedule.
Player signs up for coaches ID camp. Coach asks for graduation year, at said ID camp coach has a list of players based on graduation year and sorts players accordingly.
College coaches are just fine.
Anonymous
10/17/2020 09:14
Subject: Re:US soccer rumors of changing back age groups?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Girls lacrosse is school grade and it’s terribly unfair due to excessive redshirting around here.
US lacrosse changed to birth year and NGLL (this area) didn’t follow.
Agree with this, too many girls that are nearly a full year older than their peers.
Whats the difference between a January 2004 birthday and a December 2004 birthday? A whole year. This is the problem. It always favor the older kids regardless the cutoff. Its a no win for the younger kids
With school grade it could be Jan 2004 playing against December 2006.
Which is likely to produce more variation in age? Question answer itself. Grade-based. This is beyond stupid.
Birth year. 1/3 of your kid’s classmates are playing up - no matter what. We are programmed to compare our kids based on other 2005s or 2004s. That’s all wrong. Compare them vs classmates. Look at the grad years. That’s what college coaches will do.