Anonymous
10/24/2019 13:59
Subject: Republicans storm SCIF in violation of the rules
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:[i]Outspoken California Rep. Darrell Issa was escorted out of a House deposition on Benghazi on Tuesday after he tried to crash the closed-door panel on Capitol Hill, NBC News reported. Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), the chairman of the House Select Committee on Benghazi, had no qualms about kicking Issa out of the meeting. Issa previously conducted an investigation into the deadly 2012 attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya, but he is not a member of the congressional committee — and after Gowdy confronted him, Issa stormed off. "I'm a prosecutor, we always follow the rules," Gowdy later told NBC News. "[Issa] is not a [Benghazi] committee member and non-committee members are not allowed in the room during the deposition. Those are the rules and we have to follow them, no exceptions made."[i/]
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/national-international/Rep-Darrell-Issa-Escorted-Out-of-Benghazi-Panel-307739641.html
Thanks for finding this! Also to remind everyone, the rules they are following now were instituted by that partisan Democrat, Paul Ryan!
Yes! The expectation is that it is all okay for the GOP to implement such rules when the Republicans are in the majority, but when the Dems follow the rules created by the GOP, who are now in the minority, they and all their supporters scream foul. No pun intended, but what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Do the rules include sending your staff member to a foreign nation to talk to the witnesses prior to them coming forward? How about not disclosing you met with a whistleblower a month prior to them coming forward?
Anonymous
10/24/2019 13:56
Subject: Republicans storm SCIF in violation of the rules
Anonymous wrote:Did Gaetz enter the room with a phone?
If you believe his own tweet, yes. From Wapo so I don’t have to get Gaetz twitter on me: ““I led over 30 of my colleagues into the SCIF where Adam Schiff is holding secret impeachment depositions,” Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) said Wednesday morning on Twitter, referring to the Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility. “Still inside — more details to come.””
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/republicans-storm-closed-door-impeachment-hearing-as-escalating-ukraine-scandal-threatens-trump/2019/10/23/29877c06-f5a5-11e9-8cf0-4cc99f74d127_story.html
Tweeting inside a SCIF and thinking you are in the right. SMDH.
Anonymous
10/24/2019 13:51
Subject: Republicans storm SCIF in violation of the rules
Some of you knowledgeable people need to go on Fox News to explain this to the target audience.
Thank you.
Anonymous
10/24/2019 13:50
Subject: Republicans storm SCIF in violation of the rules
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I do not understand how people do not understand the difference between the laws of our judicial system and the rules of the political system/public opinion.
Due process is a LEGAL concept that applies to people being brought into the US legal system. Trump is not on trial, even if he is brought up for impeachment and IS removed from office by the Senate he still will never have interacted meaningfully with our judicial system! Impeachment is a POLITICAL process to remove a person from a JOB. People are removed from jobs without due process all the time!
You people really need to learn some civics ASAP. One process has nothing to do with the other and just because you watch Law and Order and The First 48 doesn't mean you have any idea what you're talking about when it comes to the non criminal, non judicial impeachment process created and executed by congress.
This isn't exactly correct. Due process protection applies in many places, including an impeachment.
Please explain how due process applies to the President during an impeachment. An impeachment, not a conviction. And keeping in mind that we have not reached the impeachment process and are in an inquiry/investigation stage where the best analogy to a criminal trial is the grand jury process. TIA!
If we get so far as an impeachment trial in the Senate, then the president will have counsel, will cross-examine witnesses, etc.
It's true that he will have difficulty enforcing his due process rights if the Senate denies them. But I'm not extremely worried that will happen. Maybe others are.
The Senate does not impeach; the House does. The Senate convicts via a trial where the POTUS will be allowed due process in so far as outlined in the rules established by the Senate and presided over by the Chief Justice of the SC.
The POTUS has no due process rights in the House impeachment process because he is not yet on trial. That only comes later.
Fixed above in bold
Anonymous
10/24/2019 13:49
Subject: Republicans storm SCIF in violation of the rules
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I do not understand how people do not understand the difference between the laws of our judicial system and the rules of the political system/public opinion.
Due process is a LEGAL concept that applies to people being brought into the US legal system. Trump is not on trial, even if he is brought up for impeachment and IS removed from office by the Senate he still will never have interacted meaningfully with our judicial system! Impeachment is a POLITICAL process to remove a person from a JOB. People are removed from jobs without due process all the time!
You people really need to learn some civics ASAP. One process has nothing to do with the other and just because you watch Law and Order and The First 48 doesn't mean you have any idea what you're talking about when it comes to the non criminal, non judicial impeachment process created and executed by congress.
This isn't exactly correct. Due process protection applies in many places, including an impeachment.
Please explain how due process applies to the President during an impeachment. An impeachment, not a conviction. And keeping in mind that we have not reached the impeachment process and are in an inquiry/investigation stage where the best analogy to a criminal trial is the grand jury process. TIA!
If we get so far as an impeachment trial in the Senate, then the president will have counsel, will cross-examine witnesses, etc.
It's true that he will have difficulty enforcing his due process rights if the Senate denies them. But I'm not extremely worried that will happen. Maybe others are.
The Senate does not impeach; the House does. The Senate convicts via a trial where the POTUS will be allowed due process in so far as outlined in the rules established by the House and presided over by the Chief Justice of the SC.
The POTUS has no due process rights in the House impeachment process because he is not yet on trial. That only comes later.
Anonymous
10/24/2019 13:47
Subject: Republicans storm SCIF in violation of the rules
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I do not understand how people do not understand the difference between the laws of our judicial system and the rules of the political system/public opinion.
Due process is a LEGAL concept that applies to people being brought into the US legal system. Trump is not on trial, even if he is brought up for impeachment and IS removed from office by the Senate he still will never have interacted meaningfully with our judicial system! Impeachment is a POLITICAL process to remove a person from a JOB. People are removed from jobs without due process all the time!
You people really need to learn some civics ASAP. One process has nothing to do with the other and just because you watch Law and Order and The First 48 doesn't mean you have any idea what you're talking about when it comes to the non criminal, non judicial impeachment process created and executed by congress.
This isn't exactly correct. Due process protection applies in many places, including an impeachment.
Please explain how due process applies to the President during an impeachment. An impeachment, not a conviction. And keeping in mind that we have not reached the impeachment process and are in an inquiry/investigation stage where the best analogy to a criminal trial is the grand jury process. TIA!
If we get so far as an impeachment trial in the Senate, then the president will have counsel, will cross-examine witnesses, etc.
It's true that he will have difficulty enforcing his due process rights if the Senate denies them. But I'm not extremely worried that will happen. Maybe others are.
The rules of the senate trial (and the house investigation for that matter) are decided upon by the Senate and the House. Once again this has literally nothing to do with our judicial system.
Yes the trial run in the senate is modeled after our judicial system, but it is held to none of the same legal rigors. These rules are self imposed by the Senate. No one is EVER at risk of going to jail in an impeachment hearing (at least in the context of the impeachment hearing, it is possible that criminal charges are subsequently filed if enough evidence is presented that convinces prosecutor, but in that case the individual would immediately be subject to all the protections, and indignities, of the american criminal justice system.
All of the similarities are essentially for show. None of the same legal protections and rules are in place.
Anonymous
10/24/2019 13:41
Subject: Republicans storm SCIF in violation of the rules
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I do not understand how people do not understand the difference between the laws of our judicial system and the rules of the political system/public opinion.
Due process is a LEGAL concept that applies to people being brought into the US legal system. Trump is not on trial, even if he is brought up for impeachment and IS removed from office by the Senate he still will never have interacted meaningfully with our judicial system! Impeachment is a POLITICAL process to remove a person from a JOB. People are removed from jobs without due process all the time!
You people really need to learn some civics ASAP. One process has nothing to do with the other and just because you watch Law and Order and The First 48 doesn't mean you have any idea what you're talking about when it comes to the non criminal, non judicial impeachment process created and executed by congress.
This isn't exactly correct. Due process protection applies in many places, including an impeachment.
Yeah, but it's due process. The process that is due depends on the nature of the proceeding and the stage of the proceeding. Everybody involved in the impeachment investigation process is being given the process that they are due at this stage of the proceedings.
Anonymous
10/24/2019 13:40
Subject: Republicans storm SCIF in violation of the rules
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I do not understand how people do not understand the difference between the laws of our judicial system and the rules of the political system/public opinion.
Due process is a LEGAL concept that applies to people being brought into the US legal system. Trump is not on trial, even if he is brought up for impeachment and IS removed from office by the Senate he still will never have interacted meaningfully with our judicial system! Impeachment is a POLITICAL process to remove a person from a JOB. People are removed from jobs without due process all the time!
You people really need to learn some civics ASAP. One process has nothing to do with the other and just because you watch Law and Order and The First 48 doesn't mean you have any idea what you're talking about when it comes to the non criminal, non judicial impeachment process created and executed by congress.
This isn't exactly correct. Due process protection applies in many places, including an impeachment.
Please explain how due process applies to the President during an impeachment. An impeachment, not a conviction. And keeping in mind that we have not reached the impeachment process and are in an inquiry/investigation stage where the best analogy to a criminal trial is the grand jury process. TIA!
If we get so far as an impeachment trial in the Senate, then the president will have counsel, will cross-examine witnesses, etc.
It's true that he will have difficulty enforcing his due process rights if the Senate denies them. But I'm not extremely worried that will happen. Maybe others are.
Anonymous
10/24/2019 13:40
Subject: Republicans storm SCIF in violation of the rules
Anonymous wrote:I do not understand how people do not understand the difference between the laws of our judicial system and the rules of the political system/public opinion.
Due process is a LEGAL concept that applies to people being brought into the US legal system. Trump is not on trial, even if he is brought up for impeachment and IS removed from office by the Senate he still will never have interacted meaningfully with our judicial system! Impeachment is a POLITICAL process to remove a person from a JOB. People are removed from jobs without due process all the time!
You people really need to learn some civics ASAP. One process has nothing to do with the other and just because you watch Law and Order and The First 48 doesn't mean you have any idea what you're talking about when it comes to the non criminal, non judicial impeachment process created and executed by congress.
Plus, the criminal justice system actually does have a process of private investigations behind closed doors. it's called a Grand Jury.
I swear, when it comes to Trump supporters, it really is hard to tell where the dishonesty ends and the stupidity begins, or vice-versa.
Anonymous
10/24/2019 13:35
Subject: Republicans storm SCIF in violation of the rules
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I do not understand how people do not understand the difference between the laws of our judicial system and the rules of the political system/public opinion.
Due process is a LEGAL concept that applies to people being brought into the US legal system. Trump is not on trial, even if he is brought up for impeachment and IS removed from office by the Senate he still will never have interacted meaningfully with our judicial system! Impeachment is a POLITICAL process to remove a person from a JOB. People are removed from jobs without due process all the time!
You people really need to learn some civics ASAP. One process has nothing to do with the other and just because you watch Law and Order and The First 48 doesn't mean you have any idea what you're talking about when it comes to the non criminal, non judicial impeachment process created and executed by congress.
This isn't exactly correct. Due process protection applies in many places, including an impeachment.
Please explain how due process applies to the President during an impeachment. An impeachment, not a conviction. And keeping in mind that we have not reached the impeachment process and are in an inquiry/investigation stage where the best analogy to a criminal trial is the grand jury process. TIA!
Anonymous
10/24/2019 13:32
Subject: Republicans storm SCIF in violation of the rules
Anonymous wrote:I do not understand how people do not understand the difference between the laws of our judicial system and the rules of the political system/public opinion.
Due process is a LEGAL concept that applies to people being brought into the US legal system. Trump is not on trial, even if he is brought up for impeachment and IS removed from office by the Senate he still will never have interacted meaningfully with our judicial system! Impeachment is a POLITICAL process to remove a person from a JOB. People are removed from jobs without due process all the time!
You people really need to learn some civics ASAP. One process has nothing to do with the other and just because you watch Law and Order and The First 48 doesn't mean you have any idea what you're talking about when it comes to the non criminal, non judicial impeachment process created and executed by congress.
This isn't exactly correct. Due process protection applies in many places, including an impeachment.
Anonymous
10/24/2019 13:30
Subject: Re:Republicans storm SCIF in violation of the rules
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:quote]
I think they thought it was a tv show trial. Maybe like Law and Order: POTUS.
Doink doink.
I would totally watch a 'ripped from the headlines' L&O about this. They could really do it up right. And without too much fictionalization, it could even make an SVU episode!AnonymousI do not understand how people do not understand the difference between the laws of our judicial system and the rules of the political system/public opinion.
Due process is a LEGAL concept that applies to people being brought into the US legal system. Trump is not on trial, even if he is brought up for impeachment and IS removed from office by the Senate he still will never have interacted meaningfully with our judicial system! Impeachment is a POLITICAL process to remove a person from a JOB. People are removed from jobs without due process all the time!
You people really need to learn some civics ASAP. One process has nothing to do with the other and just because you watch Law and Order and The First 48 doesn't mean you have any idea what you're talking about when it comes to the non criminal, non judicial impeachment process created and executed by congress.AnonymousAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why won't Schiff release the transcripts of these interviews/depositions?
What is he hiding?
You don’t want to see them. You want to stop them. They will more than confirm the extortion that Trump, Giuliani, Sondland, Volker have already admitted. The Republicans don’t want a transparent investigation. They want to shut down the investigation.
Release the transcripts. Now.
Schiff won't because they don't fit his narrative.
PP’s labeling you guys “braindead zombies” is right on.
Us brain dead zombie heads, aka voters, would like to witness the testimony. If you are so secure in your knowledge that you can prove your theory, why not let us voters witness the investigation? The public supports police officers wear body cams when they enforce the law. Why does House leadership think they aren't accountable to the public?
Try growing a brain. It will help in a lot of ways.
NP. Translation: I support body cams so have no idea how to flip the truth around. I will insult the poster instead”
We watched the people going in for the depositions. That's equivalent to your "body cameras".
Police interviews aren't televised. Nor should they be.
They aren't? They are on tv shows frequently. Every jurisdiction is different, of course, and those being interviewed are mirandized, no? They have the right to counsel. This seems like a secret court proceeding to me. Maybe I'm not as smart as you think you are but, I can identify the multiple attempts to steal my vote for president.
THIS IS NOT A CRIMINAL TRIAL!
OHHHH.. now I get why that ^PP sounds so stupid. This person thought this was an actual trial. Is this what OANN is peddling.. that it's an actual trial?
I think they thought it was a tv show trial. Maybe like Law and Order: POTUS.
Doink doink.AnonymousAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why won't Schiff release the transcripts of these interviews/depositions?
What is he hiding?
You don’t want to see them. You want to stop them. They will more than confirm the extortion that Trump, Giuliani, Sondland, Volker have already admitted. The Republicans don’t want a transparent investigation. They want to shut down the investigation.
Release the transcripts. Now.
Schiff won't because they don't fit his narrative.
PP’s labeling you guys “braindead zombies” is right on.
Us brain dead zombie heads, aka voters, would like to witness the testimony. If you are so secure in your knowledge that you can prove your theory, why not let us voters witness the investigation? The public supports police officers wear body cams when they enforce the law. Why does House leadership think they aren't accountable to the public?
Try growing a brain. It will help in a lot of ways.
NP. Translation: I support body cams so have no idea how to flip the truth around. I will insult the poster instead”
We watched the people going in for the depositions. That's equivalent to your "body cameras".
Police interviews aren't televised. Nor should they be.
They aren't? They are on tv shows frequently. Every jurisdiction is different, of course, and those being interviewed are mirandized, no? They have the right to counsel. This seems like a secret court proceeding to me. Maybe I'm not as smart as you think you are but, I can identify the multiple attempts to steal my vote for president.
THIS IS NOT A CRIMINAL TRIAL!
OHHHH.. now I get why that ^PP sounds so stupid. This person thought this was an actual trial. Is this what OANN is peddling.. that it's an actual trial?