Anonymous
Post 05/17/2019 08:57     Subject: SAT "adversity" adjustment
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The only way this can work is to make it OPTIONAL. Plenty of people will want to report their neighborhood adversity score, and plenty won't. It is profiling and just as disclosing your race is optional and applicants have strict control over what they wish to present in their applications (even teacher recs--you can opt to see them but of course most would not), having a mark on your application which may be inaccurate and stereotyping should be something you can OPT OUT of.


You can’t opt out of your race, unless you want to be assumed white or Asian and receive a penalty.


Race and religion are optional.
Anonymous
Post 05/17/2019 08:57     Subject: SAT "adversity" adjustment
Anonymous wrote:The only way this can work is to make it OPTIONAL. Plenty of people will want to report their neighborhood adversity score, and plenty won't. It is profiling and just as disclosing your race is optional and applicants have strict control over what they wish to present in their applications (even teacher recs--you can opt to see them but of course most would not), having a mark on your application which may be inaccurate and stereotyping should be something you can OPT OUT of.


The colleges don't need the college board to do this. Right now they are fully aware of the economic and racial demographics AND the average standardized test scores (SAT/ACT and state proficiency exams) AND using this to inform where they recruit and to contextualize students who apply.

They also use census tract data -- from which income, age, racial composition, voting behavior -- is all available. It not only is used for admissions, colleges use it to inform their marketing, especially at schools that give generous scholarships and are looking to create a more diverse class.

You cannot opt in or opt out of sharing your address and the name of your high school with a college you are applying to. And that's all they need to figure out what you object to.
Anonymous
Post 05/17/2019 08:56     Subject: SAT "adversity" adjustment
Anonymous wrote:The only way this can work is to make it OPTIONAL. Plenty of people will want to report their neighborhood adversity score, and plenty won't. It is profiling and just as disclosing your race is optional and applicants have strict control over what they wish to present in their applications (even teacher recs--you can opt to see them but of course most would not), having a mark on your application which may be inaccurate and stereotyping should be something you can OPT OUT of.


It's not something you will be able to OPT-In or out of. The College Board provides it to the colleges and the colleges are free to use it or not. They've already piloted it so it's been happening already. This isn't about the individual information that kids provide - they are using publicly available data to provide more context.

Can people actually read about it to understand how it works? Might help to do this to be informed.
Anonymous
Post 05/17/2019 08:56     Subject: SAT "adversity" adjustment
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The only way this can work is to make it OPTIONAL. Plenty of people will want to report their neighborhood adversity score, and plenty won't. It is profiling and just as disclosing your race is optional and applicants have strict control over what they wish to present in their applications (even teacher recs--you can opt to see them but of course most would not), having a mark on your application which may be inaccurate and stereotyping should be something you can OPT OUT of.


Why would you want to opt out? A score that says your child has no adversity isn’t a mark against them. You are acting like it is.


Of course it is a mark against them. If Johnny A from Appalachia has a 1350 and Johnny B from Bethesda has a 1400, all else being equal, a school might pick Johnny A, even though his HHI is much higher, lives in a McMansion, and parents are doctors and Johnny B lives in an apartment and parents barely scrape by. Just as the score bumps up Johnny A, it devalues Johnny B's score because it's expected to be high for that area and it looks like he has no adversity. The adversity dashboard promotes profiling and will be inaccurate for many individuals, hence they should be able to opt out.
Anonymous
Post 05/17/2019 08:49     Subject: SAT "adversity" adjustment
College Board president on Varsity Blues Scandal.
https://finance.yahoo.com/video/college-board-pres...ighs-admissions-181024408.html
Anonymous
Post 05/17/2019 08:44     Subject: SAT "adversity" adjustment
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hey W school parents,

Sorry that my kids' poverty infected gangland schools are taking all of the ivy league spots with this new system!!

$$DCC RePreZeNT$$


Sure does.

That is why I don't plan to hire any Ivy grads who entered after this year and majored in fluffy majors. I don't need entitled, sob story dorks at my company. Companies that need workers to actually do work, as opposed to RePreZeNT the diversity / adversity angle, will hire students who attend state school honors colleges and do well in hard majors. Several consulting companies and defense contractors in DMV have already informally made it their policy.

Harvard athlete URM first generation adversity poster kids can go work in politics or some other dumpster field where productivity means nothing, there is no output anyone actually needs, and workers are there for show and veiled money laundering.

If Ivies screw us, we screw the Ivies. Right now, the power balance is not right and they cannot feel it. In a few years, that will change.


LOL- yes, show your POWER! The ivy's need to see it and learn to OBEY


A death by a 1000 papercuts is still a death.
Anonymous
Post 05/17/2019 08:43     Subject: SAT "adversity" adjustment
I just hope other countries will play along.
Anonymous
Post 05/17/2019 08:42     Subject: SAT "adversity" adjustment
Anonymous wrote:The only way this can work is to make it OPTIONAL. Plenty of people will want to report their neighborhood adversity score, and plenty won't. It is profiling and just as disclosing your race is optional and applicants have strict control over what they wish to present in their applications (even teacher recs--you can opt to see them but of course most would not), having a mark on your application which may be inaccurate and stereotyping should be something you can OPT OUT of.


You can’t opt out of your race, unless you want to be assumed white or Asian and receive a penalty.
Anonymous
Post 05/17/2019 08:42     Subject: SAT "adversity" adjustment
Anonymous wrote:The only way this can work is to make it OPTIONAL. Plenty of people will want to report their neighborhood adversity score, and plenty won't. It is profiling and just as disclosing your race is optional and applicants have strict control over what they wish to present in their applications (even teacher recs--you can opt to see them but of course most would not), having a mark on your application which may be inaccurate and stereotyping should be something you can OPT OUT of.


Why would you want to opt out? A score that says your child has no adversity isn’t a mark against them. You are acting like it is.
Anonymous
Post 05/17/2019 08:42     Subject: SAT "adversity" adjustment
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hey W school parents,

Sorry that my kids' poverty infected gangland schools are taking all of the ivy league spots with this new system!!

$$DCC RePreZeNT$$


Sure does.

That is why I don't plan to hire any Ivy grads who entered after this year and majored in fluffy majors. I don't need entitled, sob story dorks at my company. Companies that need workers to actually do work, as opposed to RePreZeNT the diversity / adversity angle, will hire students who attend state school honors colleges and do well in hard majors. Several consulting companies and defense contractors in DMV have already informally made it their policy.

Harvard athlete URM first generation adversity poster kids can go work in politics or some other dumpster field where productivity means nothing, there is no output anyone actually needs, and workers are there for show and veiled money laundering.

If Ivies screw us, we screw the Ivies. Right now, the power balance is not right and they cannot feel it. In a few years, that will change.


LOL- yes, show your POWER! The ivy's need to see it and learn to OBEY
Anonymous
Post 05/17/2019 08:38     Subject: SAT "adversity" adjustment
The only way this can work is to make it OPTIONAL. Plenty of people will want to report their neighborhood adversity score, and plenty won't. It is profiling and just as disclosing your race is optional and applicants have strict control over what they wish to present in their applications (even teacher recs--you can opt to see them but of course most would not), having a mark on your application which may be inaccurate and stereotyping should be something you can OPT OUT of.
Anonymous
Post 05/17/2019 08:35     Subject: SAT "adversity" adjustment
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I can not believe how many of you affluent advantaged people are now online rallying against this. Have you no shame? As you no empathy? Have you no understanding? This is not designed to hurt your kids, but to help other kids.


Because it dumbs down our colleges and our country.


As opposed to the student athletes and legacies? Plus, it doesn't dumb down our country. The kids with the higher adversity scores will come out with a better education, and your smart/well prepared kid will continue to be smart well prepared. The other alternative dumbs fown the country by having a perpetual underclass of uneducated people. It might disadvantage your child because he has to go to a slightly lower ranked school, but it actually creates a more educated country overall.


What is "it"? The intention is laudable, though may have unintended consequences. But that doesn't mean College Board should have anything to do with it or is doing "it" correctly.
Anonymous
Post 05/17/2019 08:32     Subject: SAT "adversity" adjustment
I think this is already in place. DC decided to take the ACT late. That is forgot to sign up. It was all sold out so went to Title 1 school in very poor area to take it. Scored 34, a feat never repeated.
Anonymous
Post 05/17/2019 08:28     Subject: Re:SAT "adversity" adjustment
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This type of social engineering is great. Enjoy George Mason, rich kids!




No enjoy George Mason middle class kids. The rich are still appealing to colleges because they are full pay. The middle class won't necessarily be full pay but they aren't poor enough to benefit from having a high adversity score.


That is how it is now. Duh!
Anonymous
Post 05/17/2019 08:28     Subject: SAT "adversity" adjustment
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hey W school parents,

Sorry that my kids' poverty infected gangland schools are taking all of the ivy league spots with this new system!!

$$DCC RePreZeNT$$


Sure does.

That is why I don't plan to hire any Ivy grads who entered after this year and majored in fluffy majors. I don't need entitled, sob story dorks at my company. Companies that need workers to actually do work, as opposed to RePreZeNT the diversity / adversity angle, will hire students who attend state school honors colleges and do well in hard majors. Several consulting companies and defense contractors in DMV have already informally made it their policy.

Harvard athlete URM first generation adversity poster kids can go work in politics or some other dumpster field where productivity means nothing, there is no output anyone actually needs, and workers are there for show and veiled money laundering.

If Ivies screw us, we screw the Ivies. Right now, the power balance is not right and they cannot feel it. In a few years, that will change.


Good because that is exactly what people have wanted all along. Stop giving preference to rich kids who did not really work that hard. So what if they went to an Ivy, they were just lazy cocaine snorting brats anyway.

We all figured that out in the 70's ... glad you finally caught up.