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Anonymous wrote:CANADA HAS NO ABORTION RESTRICTIONS, AND FEWER ABORTIONS THAN THE US.

I'm just gonna keep on posting this on every single abortion thread.

Also, every single damn person whinging about "post-birth abortion" (which does not exist) is MORALLY OBLIGATED to advocate for universal access to long-term birth control. If you are not, STFU. Seriously, STFU.

You're really all about the nanny state.
The concept of people being responsible for themselves simply escapes you.

DP.. the concept of letting a woman choose what to do with her own body escapes you. Talk about nanny state.

I'm going to keep posting this -- MANDATORY VASECTOMIES FOR MEN. Almost every baby will be wanted. Reduces teen pregnancies.

If you think it's ok to make a woman carry a baby for whatever reason, then it should be ok to make a man not be able to make a baby at will. I'm sure you would agree, that an abortion is worse than a vasectomy.

Exactly. If you are against the "nanny state," then let doctors and patients decide on medical care.

Who decides for the child?

THE MOTHER. The human who has to carry the thing inside her for 40 weeks.

Are you really this ignorant of all the people who were born prematurely (way before 40 weeks)? I bet some of your own friends were born prematurely. Lucky for you, their mothers allowed them to live! Thank about it, my friend.

We are all wondering about your mother...did she make the right choice? Just not sure...

Uncalled for PP.
But to the previous poster, you're comparing viable pregnancies that result in living children to what the reality is for late term abortions - these are not viable pregnancies or will kill the mother. That's not an apples to apples comparison and is unfair. I don't have a cite, but every accounting I've read, late term abortions are done with heavy hearts after intentionally getting pregnant and excited to welcome this person into their lives. It just isn't meant to be, and the late term abortion is a kind, compassionate, humane treatment for all concerned. And yes, I include the fetus in that. Why should their only role in life be to be born and then die, sometimes painfully? Because THAT's late term abortion. "Incompatible with life" isn't just talk. It's the reality, and these parents are by all account devastating.

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Anonymous wrote:CANADA HAS NO ABORTION RESTRICTIONS, AND FEWER ABORTIONS THAN THE US.

I'm just gonna keep on posting this on every single abortion thread.

Also, every single damn person whinging about "post-birth abortion" (which does not exist) is MORALLY OBLIGATED to advocate for universal access to long-term birth control. If you are not, STFU. Seriously, STFU.

You're really all about the nanny state.
The concept of people being responsible for themselves simply escapes you.

DP.. the concept of letting a woman choose what to do with her own body escapes you. Talk about nanny state.

I'm going to keep posting this -- MANDATORY VASECTOMIES FOR MEN. Almost every baby will be wanted. Reduces teen pregnancies.

If you think it's ok to make a woman carry a baby for whatever reason, then it should be ok to make a man not be able to make a baby at will. I'm sure you would agree, that an abortion is worse than a vasectomy.

Exactly. If you are against the "nanny state," then let doctors and patients decide on medical care.

Who decides for the child?

The woman decides about the fetus in her body.

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Anonymous wrote:Who has $15,000.00 for an abortion? That's insane.

Cheaper than 18+ years of food, housing, college, etc.

Or extensive medical bills if the child had a serious health issue.

If you don't want the baby, no one will force you to keep the baby. You know that, don't you?

Well, a woman might not be willing to die in order so her severely deformed child can languish for years unwanted in foster care. We’re not talking about the beautiful, healthy white babies that barren religious people are paying $50k a pop for or the charmingly moderately disabled kids that “enrich their parents lives with so much joy.”

The experts I have heard (OBGYNs, mostly) have said it is more dangerous on a woman's health to undergo a late term abortion than childbirth.

Why don't you tell us what you think happens in a late-term abortion? What about the procedure is more dangerous? Do you even know what goes on?

Here is one case. The woman actually went through childbirth. Her baby's heart was stopped by a drug and then she was induced to deliver. She just did it much earlier in the pregnancy than she would have if she had had to wait until 40 weeks. So it was somewhat easier on her body because the baby was smaller.

So what was more dangerous in this scenario than if she had had to wait 8 more weeks to deliver a larger baby that would die shortly after birth? In fact had she waited she would have had to have major abdominal surgery -- a C section -- to deliver. You probably think that is what she should have been forced to do.

https://jezebel.com/interview-with-a-woman-who-recently-had-an-abortion-at-1781972395

I can't fathom how anyone could read this and NOT come to the conclusion that no one is entering late term abortions willy nilly. In this scenario, the baby would have been born ONLY to suffer, to choke and die and feel pain. We don't even treat our pets with that much disdain and lack of caring. We don't just sit there while our pets gasp for air and decide, well, so what. NO. We take them to damn vet and put them out of their misery with a modicum of decency.

This woman said: To be clear, if the doctors thought there was any way he might make it, I would have taken that chance. [Of delivering naturally despite having had brain surgery and putting her life at risk]. I truly would have put myself through anything. What I came to accept was the fact that I would never get to be this little guy’s mother—that if we came to term, he would likely live a very short time until he choked and died, if he even made it that far. This was a no-go for me. I couldn’t put him through that suffering when we had the option to minimize his pain as much as possible.

Why is this so hard for people to understand???

This is great in my opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:CANADA HAS NO ABORTION RESTRICTIONS, AND FEWER ABORTIONS THAN THE US.

I'm just gonna keep on posting this on every single abortion thread.

Also, every single damn person whinging about "post-birth abortion" (which does not exist) is MORALLY OBLIGATED to advocate for universal access to long-term birth control. If you are not, STFU. Seriously, STFU.

You're really all about the nanny state.
The concept of people being responsible for themselves simply escapes you.

DP.. the concept of letting a woman choose what to do with her own body escapes you. Talk about nanny state.

I'm going to keep posting this -- MANDATORY VASECTOMIES FOR MEN. Almost every baby will be wanted. Reduces teen pregnancies.

If you think it's ok to make a woman carry a baby for whatever reason, then it should be ok to make a man not be able to make a baby at will. I'm sure you would agree, that an abortion is worse than a vasectomy.

Exactly. If you are against the "nanny state," then let doctors and patients decide on medical care.

Who decides for the child?

THE MOTHER. The human who has to carry the thing inside her for 40 weeks.

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Anonymous wrote:CANADA HAS NO ABORTION RESTRICTIONS, AND FEWER ABORTIONS THAN THE US.

I'm just gonna keep on posting this on every single abortion thread.

Also, every single damn person whinging about "post-birth abortion" (which does not exist) is MORALLY OBLIGATED to advocate for universal access to long-term birth control. If you are not, STFU. Seriously, STFU.

This. I'm not sure why the right wing thinks banning abortions is going to prevent abortions.

Providing health care and sex ed prevents abortions.

because sex ed and free contraceptions leads to promiscuity. That's their thinking. Keep everyone ignorant about their bodies and make them keep their legs closed. Notice how they never say men should keep their peckers in their pants.

Again, forced vasectomies... the only answer to banning abortion.

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Anonymous wrote:CANADA HAS NO ABORTION RESTRICTIONS, AND FEWER ABORTIONS THAN THE US.

I'm just gonna keep on posting this on every single abortion thread.

Also, every single damn person whinging about "post-birth abortion" (which does not exist) is MORALLY OBLIGATED to advocate for universal access to long-term birth control. If you are not, STFU. Seriously, STFU.

You're really all about the nanny state.
The concept of people being responsible for themselves simply escapes you.

DP.. the concept of letting a woman choose what to do with her own body escapes you. Talk about nanny state.

I'm going to keep posting this -- MANDATORY VASECTOMIES FOR MEN. Almost every baby will be wanted. Reduces teen pregnancies.

If you think it's ok to make a woman carry a baby for whatever reason, then it should be ok to make a man not be able to make a baby at will. I'm sure you would agree, that an abortion is worse than a vasectomy.

Exactly. If you are against the "nanny state," then let doctors and patients decide on medical care.

Who decides for the child?

Anonymous wrote:CANADA HAS NO ABORTION RESTRICTIONS, AND FEWER ABORTIONS THAN THE US.

I'm just gonna keep on posting this on every single abortion thread.

Also, every single damn person whinging about "post-birth abortion" (which does not exist) is MORALLY OBLIGATED to advocate for universal access to long-term birth control. If you are not, STFU. Seriously, STFU.

x10000

Anonymous wrote:CANADA HAS NO ABORTION RESTRICTIONS, AND FEWER ABORTIONS THAN THE US.

I'm just gonna keep on posting this on every single abortion thread.

Also, every single damn person whinging about "post-birth abortion" (which does not exist) is MORALLY OBLIGATED to advocate for universal access to long-term birth control. If you are not, STFU. Seriously, STFU.

This. I'm not sure why the right wing thinks banning abortions is going to prevent abortions.

Providing health care and sex ed prevents abortions.

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Anonymous wrote:Who has $15,000.00 for an abortion? That's insane.

Cheaper than 18+ years of food, housing, college, etc.

Or extensive medical bills if the child had a serious health issue.

If you don't want the baby, no one will force you to keep the baby. You know that, don't you?

Well, a woman might not be willing to die in order so her severely deformed child can languish for years unwanted in foster care. We’re not talking about the beautiful, healthy white babies that barren religious people are paying $50k a pop for or the charmingly moderately disabled kids that “enrich their parents lives with so much joy.”

The experts I have heard (OBGYNs, mostly) have said it is more dangerous on a woman's health to undergo a late term abortion than childbirth.

Why don't you tell us what you think happens in a late-term abortion? What about the procedure is more dangerous? Do you even know what goes on?

Here is one case. The woman actually went through childbirth. Her baby's heart was stopped by a drug and then she was induced to deliver. She just did it much earlier in the pregnancy than she would have if she had had to wait until 40 weeks. So it was somewhat easier on her body because the baby was smaller.

So what was more dangerous in this scenario than if she had had to wait 8 more weeks to deliver a larger baby that would die shortly after birth? In fact had she waited she would have had to have major abdominal surgery -- a C section -- to deliver. You probably think that is what she should have been forced to do.

https://jezebel.com/interview-with-a-woman-who-recently-had-an-abortion-at-1781972395

Anonymous wrote:you know, this mandatory V idea is growing on me. Because it acknowledges that men create these babies with these women, yet women bear almost all the responsibility afterward.

And health risks.
And shame.
And venom.

you know, this mandatory V idea is growing on me. Because it acknowledges that men create these babies with these women, yet women bear almost all the responsibility afterward.

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Anonymous wrote:CANADA HAS NO ABORTION RESTRICTIONS, AND FEWER ABORTIONS THAN THE US.

I'm just gonna keep on posting this on every single abortion thread.

Also, every single damn person whinging about "post-birth abortion" (which does not exist) is MORALLY OBLIGATED to advocate for universal access to long-term birth control. If you are not, STFU. Seriously, STFU.

You're really all about the nanny state.
The concept of people being responsible for themselves simply escapes you.

DP.. the concept of letting a woman choose what to do with her own body escapes you. Talk about nanny state.

I'm going to keep posting this -- MANDATORY VASECTOMIES FOR MEN. Almost every baby will be wanted. Reduces teen pregnancies.

If you think it's ok to make a woman carry a baby for whatever reason, then it should be ok to make a man not be able to make a baby at will. I'm sure you would agree, that an abortion is worse than a vasectomy.

+1

Men can freeze their sperm in advance if they'd like if they don't want a reversal procedure.

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What on earth is an abortion doctor doing to get $15,000. for doing a partial birth abortion?

Wow. His Rambo security team can't cost that much!

You bet he needs Rambo security. Probably 24/7 security on both clinic and home. I was at Hern’s clinic 25 years ago - it’s built like a bomb shelter with bullet proof glass. Clinics have been bombed. Doctors have been assassinated. Hern is only one if a very few doctors who do this multi-day late term procedure. Staff and doctors are also well-paid, because each is risking their life and has to think about their own physical security for themselves and family.

From a Jezebel interview with a woman who was brave enough to come forward and publicly tell her story about abortion at 32 weeks. We all owe her a debt of gratitude that can be repaid by speaking out publicly about our abortions and experiences with miscarriage, fetal anomaly and maternal health risks. The general public truly has no idea about these situations because we have kept them so private.

“But my doctor had previously referred patients to Dr. Hern, who’s in Boulder. He’s this 78-year-old man who’s been doing this for decades, who developed a lot of the abortion procedures that we know to be the most safe. He’s had 37,000 patients and he’s never lost anyone. And he’s a zealot, but he has to be. There are websites dedicated to offering money to kill him; his practice has four layers of bulletproof glass. They’ve been shot at. He was there during the Roe v. Wade decision. He’s been through it all. And the only other peer he had at his level was Dr. Tiller, who was killed in 2009.”


More at :
https://www.google.com/amp/s/jezebel.com/interview-with-a-woman-who-recently-had-an-abortion-at-1781972395/amp

This is not something irresponsible women do on a whim.

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Anonymous wrote:CANADA HAS NO ABORTION RESTRICTIONS, AND FEWER ABORTIONS THAN THE US.

I'm just gonna keep on posting this on every single abortion thread.

Also, every single damn person whinging about "post-birth abortion" (which does not exist) is MORALLY OBLIGATED to advocate for universal access to long-term birth control. If you are not, STFU. Seriously, STFU.

You're really all about the nanny state.
The concept of people being responsible for themselves simply escapes you.

DP.. the concept of letting a woman choose what to do with her own body escapes you. Talk about nanny state.

I'm going to keep posting this -- MANDATORY VASECTOMIES FOR MEN. Almost every baby will be wanted. Reduces teen pregnancies.

If you think it's ok to make a woman carry a baby for whatever reason, then it should be ok to make a man not be able to make a baby at will. I'm sure you would agree, that an abortion is worse than a vasectomy.

Exactly. If you are against the "nanny state," then let doctors and patients decide on medical care.