Anonymous
12/16/2018 17:06
Subject: RM Cluster Overcrowding?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I can’t wait for the exciting town hall meeting. It’s going to be a fun time for all!
I think people won't be able to turn out as much as they'd like. It's the week before Christmas, and there's tons of stuff going on - holiday work parties, school events. I agree with the PP that I bet they're counting on that so this can get pushed through, even though it may not be in the best interest of the residents of Rockville.
No. They’re doing it soon because the moritorium starts next year. This isn’t to trick people. If you had watched the city hall meeting I’ve posted TWICE now you’ll see the discussion instead of making conspiracy theories.
Anonymous
12/16/2018 16:22
Subject: RM Cluster Overcrowding?
Anonymous wrote:How does It’s Sugar stay in business?
No way it stays in business long. Stores are in and out of there so fast.
Anonymous
12/16/2018 16:22
Subject: RM Cluster Overcrowding?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Isn’t there also a large development project planned for the Stonestreet area? I remember hearing about it, but would have to look up details. Will that be additional housing units feeding into JW and RM?
https://www.rockvillemd.gov/DocumentCenter/View/28548/Stonestreet-Corridor-Study---Final---May-11-2018
They plan to rezone some of the area from Single Family Residential (R-60) to Mixed Use Neighborhood Commercial (MXNC) and Residential Medium Density (RMD-15), which will allow duplexes, quads, townhouses and stacked flats.
There is nothing planned. The rezoning is in hope of getting some development there. It's not going to happen in the SFH areas without City using eminent domain, which is not going to happen. Plus, this area is zoned for Rockville, not RM.
If the zoning allows duplexes, triplexes, quads, townhouses, and stacked flats, then they will get built if builders think the demand is there. No need for eminent domain.
I think this is a good thing. The City of Minneapolis just voted to eliminate single-family-detached as a zoning category. Residential structures with up to 3 units will now be allowed in every neighborhood.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/13/us/minneapolis-single-family-zoning.html
Two things.
Minneapolis is a CITY. A large, urban area. Rockville is NOT. People move to Rockville to live in the suburbs. If people want to live in a high density area, there are tons of options around here - DC anyone? Tysons Corner? Crystal City? Bethesda?
Also, how do they plan to handle parking? My MIL's neighbor in Silver Spring turned a SFH into an illegal duplex and there are 6 cars parked there daily. Not enough space for them, and it's become somewhat of a safety issue, with cars parked everywhere, and blocking access to driveways, etc.
Anonymous
12/16/2018 16:18
Subject: RM Cluster Overcrowding?
Anonymous wrote:I can’t wait for the exciting town hall meeting. It’s going to be a fun time for all!
I think people won't be able to turn out as much as they'd like. It's the week before Christmas, and there's tons of stuff going on - holiday work parties, school events. I agree with the PP that I bet they're counting on that so this can get pushed through, even though it may not be in the best interest of the residents of Rockville.
Anonymous
12/16/2018 14:47
Subject: RM Cluster Overcrowding?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How does It’s Sugar stay in business?
All the kids that skate or use the fountains...popular with them.
RMHS also has open campus, but I don't know if they patronize It Sugar. You know they aren't shopping at boutique stores.
Anonymous
12/16/2018 14:45
Subject: RM Cluster Overcrowding?
Anonymous wrote:How does It’s Sugar stay in business?
All the kids that skate or use the fountains...popular with them.
Anonymous
12/16/2018 14:40
Subject: RM Cluster Overcrowding?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
You are delusional. The stores in TC are expensive. Why the heck would someone buy expensive groceries at Dawsons market when there is a cheaper Giants close by? Why would they buy a shirt for $50 at a boutique in TC when you can go to a bigger brand store to but a shirt for $20? Yes, giving those failing businesses my tax money to stay afloat is a waste of money.
Do you think most people who live around TC can afford pricey things? I live near TC and bought one thing at Dawson's out of convenience but it was so damned expensive I will never shop there again. Other than that one item, I have never bought a clothing item in one of their boutiques because it's too expensive. Those stores hardly ever have customers in them, not because there aren't enough residents near TC but because most people who live near TC can't afford or don't want to pay ridiculous prices for consumer goods.
Put in a store that will attract people, like an Apple store or even Sephora, or any store that has mass appeal, not the little boutiques that hardly anyone around here would shop at. Save that for Bethesda. TC is not a rich person's hang out place.
Why would anyone shop at Whole Foods in Kentlands when there is a cheaper Giant close by?
If you think that the City of Rockville should not subsidize Dawson's, fine. It's nonetheless a fact that more people living around Rockville Town Center means more potential customers within walking distance for retail around Rockville Town Center, whatever that retail happens to be. And the people in retail location are aware such things -- see, for example, the Target in Bethesda.
Oh my.. you don't know the people who live in Kentlands I take it. That's a pretty expensive area, and yes, many shop at WF. TC area home prices are nowhere near Kentlands.
More "potential" customers doesn't equate to actual customers if the housing units there aren't the type to draw in the kinds of folks who would shop at over priced stores.
Target is a draw. Even Kentlands folks shop at Target. I would love a Target at TC. But we don't need over priced boutique-y stores that hardly anyone shops at, and I certainly don't want my tax dollars going to shore those stores up. Even the Kentlands shopping center has stores that most people in Rockville would shop at - 5 Below, Michaels, etc... You know what they don't have a lot of... boutiquey stores.
Anonymous
12/16/2018 14:35
Subject: RM Cluster Overcrowding?
are any of the people expressing opinions here planning to attend the work session on Monday night?
Anonymous
12/16/2018 12:43
Subject: RM Cluster Overcrowding?
How does It’s Sugar stay in business?
Anonymous
12/16/2018 12:39
Subject: RM Cluster Overcrowding?
Town center needs to stop having little boutiques stores and have stores which people can afford to pay and shop. Building more condos won't make those boutiques stores survive.
TC needs to have shops and restaurants which are mostly full in other locations. Bring them here and you will have a thriving TC.
TC needs to have shops and restaurants which are mostly full in other locations. Bring them here and you will have a thriving TC.
Anonymous
12/16/2018 12:37
Subject: RM Cluster Overcrowding?
Anonymous wrote:
You are delusional. The stores in TC are expensive. Why the heck would someone buy expensive groceries at Dawsons market when there is a cheaper Giants close by? Why would they buy a shirt for $50 at a boutique in TC when you can go to a bigger brand store to but a shirt for $20? Yes, giving those failing businesses my tax money to stay afloat is a waste of money.
Do you think most people who live around TC can afford pricey things? I live near TC and bought one thing at Dawson's out of convenience but it was so damned expensive I will never shop there again. Other than that one item, I have never bought a clothing item in one of their boutiques because it's too expensive. Those stores hardly ever have customers in them, not because there aren't enough residents near TC but because most people who live near TC can't afford or don't want to pay ridiculous prices for consumer goods.
Put in a store that will attract people, like an Apple store or even Sephora, or any store that has mass appeal, not the little boutiques that hardly anyone around here would shop at. Save that for Bethesda. TC is not a rich person's hang out place.
Why would anyone shop at Whole Foods in Kentlands when there is a cheaper Giant close by?
If you think that the City of Rockville should not subsidize Dawson's, fine. It's nonetheless a fact that more people living around Rockville Town Center means more potential customers within walking distance for retail around Rockville Town Center, whatever that retail happens to be. And the people in retail location are aware such things -- see, for example, the Target in Bethesda.
Anonymous
12/16/2018 12:36
Subject: RM Cluster Overcrowding?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:At this point it seems like you people would rather see the town center fail than add even one new kid to the schools.
I don't want my tax money going to help shore up a business that can't stay a float without.
Allowing builders to build more housing in Rockville Town Center, which will put more potential customers within walking distance of the retail in Rockville Town Center (and the surrounding area), is not using your tax money to help shore up a business that can't stay afloat without it.
You are delusional. The stores in TC are expensive. Why the heck would someone buy expensive groceries at Dawsons market when there is a cheaper Giants close by? Why would they buy a shirt for $50 at a boutique in TC when you can go to a bigger brand store to but a shirt for $20? Yes, giving those failing businesses my tax money to stay afloat is a waste of money.
Do you think most people who live around TC can afford pricey things? I live near TC and bought one thing at Dawson's out of convenience but it was so damned expensive I will never shop there again. Other than that one item, I have never bought a clothing item in one of their boutiques because it's too expensive. Those stores hardly ever have customers in them, not because there aren't enough residents near TC but because most people who live near TC can't afford or don't want to pay ridiculous prices for consumer goods.
Put in a store that will attract people, like an Apple store or even Sephora, or any store that has mass appeal, not the little boutiques that hardly anyone around here would shop at. Save that for Bethesda. TC is not a rich person's hang out place.
The Woodley Gardens shopping center put in a “Corner Market and Pharmacy” near Carmen’s. I went there once and the prices were so high that I’d rather shop at Walgreens. Check out that place. I bet they’ll be out of business next year sonetime. Why do these places with super high prices keep coming to Rockville? This one isn’t even at the town center.
Anonymous
12/16/2018 12:32
Subject: RM Cluster Overcrowding?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:At this point it seems like you people would rather see the town center fail than add even one new kid to the schools.
I don't want my tax money going to help shore up a business that can't stay a float without.
Allowing builders to build more housing in Rockville Town Center, which will put more potential customers within walking distance of the retail in Rockville Town Center (and the surrounding area), is not using your tax money to help shore up a business that can't stay afloat without it.
You are delusional. The stores in TC are expensive. Why the heck would someone buy expensive groceries at Dawsons market when there is a cheaper Giants close by? Why would they buy a shirt for $50 at a boutique in TC when you can go to a bigger brand store to but a shirt for $20? Yes, giving those failing businesses my tax money to stay afloat is a waste of money.
Do you think most people who live around TC can afford pricey things? I live near TC and bought one thing at Dawson's out of convenience but it was so damned expensive I will never shop there again. Other than that one item, I have never bought a clothing item in one of their boutiques because it's too expensive. Those stores hardly ever have customers in them, not because there aren't enough residents near TC but because most people who live near TC can't afford or don't want to pay ridiculous prices for consumer goods.
Put in a store that will attract people, like an Apple store or even Sephora, or any store that has mass appeal, not the little boutiques that hardly anyone around here would shop at. Save that for Bethesda. TC is not a rich person's hang out place.
Anonymous
12/16/2018 12:26
Subject: RM Cluster Overcrowding?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:At this point it seems like you people would rather see the town center fail than add even one new kid to the schools.
I don't want my tax money going to help shore up a business that can't stay a float without.
Allowing builders to build more housing in Rockville Town Center, which will put more potential customers within walking distance of the retail in Rockville Town Center (and the surrounding area), is not using your tax money to help shore up a business that can't stay afloat without it.
The pp you’re replying to us referring to the fund set up to support failing businesses (reallly Dawson’s Market). This wouldn’t be needed if we had more housing built. The pp would rather have the town center fail than either bail out businesses or allow building because their precious angel might have an extra 2 kids in homeroom.
That's not how it works. Class size and school capacity are separate variables. Over-capacity, at-capacity, and under-capacity schools all have the same class sizes. The difference is that at over-capacity schools, there are lots of portables, and at under-capacity schools, there are empty classrooms.
It sounds like it’s time for county wide redistricting.
That's the only practical solution. It won't solve this issue totally, but it will go a long way in helping some schools if they have seats in nearby schools. Also, if some schools have 120% and some have 100% then MCPS should try to even it out with 110% for all schools.
Anonymous
12/16/2018 12:17
Subject: RM Cluster Overcrowding?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:At this point it seems like you people would rather see the town center fail than add even one new kid to the schools.
I don't want my tax money going to help shore up a business that can't stay a float without.
Allowing builders to build more housing in Rockville Town Center, which will put more potential customers within walking distance of the retail in Rockville Town Center (and the surrounding area), is not using your tax money to help shore up a business that can't stay afloat without it.
The pp you’re replying to us referring to the fund set up to support failing businesses (reallly Dawson’s Market). This wouldn’t be needed if we had more housing built. The pp would rather have the town center fail than either bail out businesses or allow building because their precious angel might have an extra 2 kids in homeroom.
That's not how it works. Class size and school capacity are separate variables. Over-capacity, at-capacity, and under-capacity schools all have the same class sizes. The difference is that at over-capacity schools, there are lots of portables, and at under-capacity schools, there are empty classrooms.
It sounds like it’s time for county wide redistricting.
Well, I mean, maybe -- though it's not going to happen. Not sure how that would relate to a City of Rockville building moratorium at Rockville Town Center and Twinbrook, though.