Anonymous
Post 09/10/2018 13:50     Subject: Re:Serena is a bully and a crybaby
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:I'm not a tennis fan, but I don't see how the best, most experienced women's tennis player in history could receive coaching? Why would she need coaching?
(BTW, I read somewhere her coach admitted he was coaching her), but i don't get it - why would it get so blatent enough to be penalized. Just seems a very dumb move by the coach.


ok so you know nothing about tennis whatsoever but you think serena's coach is dumb for coaching her? unbelievable.


Coaching her enough to get a game penalty? That's not dumb?
Maybe you could go ahead and explain it to me.


she didn't get a game penalty for coaching. coaching itself was merely a warning. a warning on its own carries no penalty but sets the stage for increasing penalties down the line.


so, was that the coach's fault? Sounds like the coach's fault. Was the coach doing it more blatantly than other coaches do?
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2018 13:47     Subject: Re:Serena is a bully and a crybaby
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm not a tennis fan, but I don't see how the best, most experienced women's tennis player in history could receive coaching? Why would she need coaching?
(BTW, I read somewhere her coach admitted he was coaching her), but i don't get it - why would it get so blatent enough to be penalized. Just seems a very dumb move by the coach.


ok so you know nothing about tennis whatsoever but you think serena's coach is dumb for coaching her? unbelievable.


Coaching her enough to get a game penalty? That's not dumb?
Maybe you could go ahead and explain it to me.


He did not coach her enough to get a game penalty. That is why it is an issue. Male tennis players and Osaka's coach ... they coached more but were not penalized.

That is an issue. Unequal treatment.
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2018 13:47     Subject: Re:Serena is a bully and a crybaby
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm not a tennis fan, but I don't see how the best, most experienced women's tennis player in history could receive coaching? Why would she need coaching?
(BTW, I read somewhere her coach admitted he was coaching her), but i don't get it - why would it get so blatent enough to be penalized. Just seems a very dumb move by the coach.


ok so you know nothing about tennis whatsoever but you think serena's coach is dumb for coaching her? unbelievable.


Coaching her enough to get a game penalty? That's not dumb?
Maybe you could go ahead and explain it to me.


NP - let me try to explain it. Coaches actually do this kind of thing ALL THE TIME. The rule is rarely or at least inconsistently enforced, which is why Serena and her coach got so upset. She felt that she was publicly called a cheater. The irony is, she may not have even see his hand gesture. He was suggesting she come in to the net more. (Coincidentally?) she did and started winning some more points.

What the tennis association needs to consider is whether to get rid of the rule all together since it isn't enforced and coaches break the rule all the time, or start enforcing it consistently.
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2018 13:46     Subject: Serena is a bully and a crybaby
Anonymous wrote:Bully? I disagree. Emotional? Yes. Happens to the best of us.


She bullied the umpire and the poor other lady.

And before you buy into her sexism allegations, just consider a simple fact.

A world-class famous star confronts a little guy no one has ever heard of.

Who's the bully?
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2018 13:46     Subject: Serena is a bully and a crybaby
Anonymous wrote:She deserved to lose today but behaved like an entitled douche. I used to love her but no more.


I'm sure she gives a shit.
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2018 13:45     Subject: Serena is a bully and a crybaby
Anonymous wrote:Osaka accepted her trophy crying while the announcer bullied her. Welcome to elite liberalism.


Yes, it was so wrong and so sad. Katrina Adams has been a disgrace as well. I don't understand how people can't see that this is about elitism, not about equality or social justice. Same is seen in men's tennis. Lower ranked players are not allowed to get away with anything, while the big 3 walk like Gods among them. This is also about the money, US Open and other slams know who audience wants to see play and who brings them money. Who brings more money? Serena or a new kid on the court?
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2018 13:45     Subject: Re:Serena is a bully and a crybaby
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm not a tennis fan, but I don't see how the best, most experienced women's tennis player in history could receive coaching? Why would she need coaching?
(BTW, I read somewhere her coach admitted he was coaching her), but i don't get it - why would it get so blatent enough to be penalized. Just seems a very dumb move by the coach.


ok so you know nothing about tennis whatsoever but you think serena's coach is dumb for coaching her? unbelievable.


Coaching her enough to get a game penalty? That's not dumb?
Maybe you could go ahead and explain it to me.


she didn't get a game penalty for coaching. coaching itself was merely a warning. a warning on its own carries no penalty but sets the stage for increasing penalties down the line.
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2018 13:39     Subject: Serena is a bully and a crybaby
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Anonymous wrote:I'm a black woman--actually, 1/2 Asian too, but I identify as black given how I was raised (predominantly black schools and neighborhoods). While it seems there was some uneven adherence to the rules, it never works for a black person--even Serena Williams--to say that other non-black/males have gotten away with the same behavior. We know that we are conspicuous in predominantly white spaces and will be held to a different standard. A shame, and unfair, but the truth. Bad behavior is never seen as a reflection of an individual simply having a tough moment when the individual in question is black--it becomes an excuse for covert and overt racism.

Take a look at this Australian cartoon, in which the artist chose to portray Serena in the style of the Sambo-style depictions of black people common 100 years ago. Also see how Osaka is portrayed in the same cartoon.

http://www.tmz.com/2018/09/10/serena-williams-jk-rowling-newspaper-cartoon/


Wow, that is horrible!

Interesting that Osaka is portrayed with blond hair. Also, that she is being asked to "let" Serena win when she is the one who was awarded the extra point and game.



PP here. Yes, I noticed that--I guess he's trying to say that Williams felt entitled to the win.


Perhaps but Osaka was outplaying her handily in the match.....so there's that.


Did you catch the pacifier on the court? Nice touch.


Yes, nice misogynistic touch to infantilize a woman who is demanding fair treatment.


omg 'demanding equal treatment'.

no she was having meltdown because she was losing. it was precipitated by a questionable call and it is understandable. however doubling down on it does nobody a favor. certainly no other player will be impressed by her 'equal rights concern. it's a baloney, almost everyone knows it and shame on those who are trying to use this unfortunate incident as a cause... I am all for equal pay and paid maternity leave and presenting Serena's tantrum as part of that fight is beyond ridiculous.


The previous post said "fair" treatment, not "equal."

And we get it. Some people either dislike Serena or are big Osaka fans, but whichever it is, they are happy Serena lost and they don't want anyone to acknowledge that the chair umpire made a mistake in a high level, crucial match by awarding a point and an entire game to one of the competitors, thus affecting the outcome of the match.


no, you don't get it. i was rooting for serena as i do most of the time (but then i don't care for women's tennis all that much). the coaching warning was a judgment call - within rules but, in retrospect, clearly bad judgment. of course if serena didn't overreact to it out of all proportion nobody would remember it. it was just a stupid warning. she should have rolled with it rather than going back to it over and over again. and guess what - if she was winning that is exactly what she would have done.
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2018 13:39     Subject: Serena is a bully and a crybaby
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm a black woman--actually, 1/2 Asian too, but I identify as black given how I was raised (predominantly black schools and neighborhoods). While it seems there was some uneven adherence to the rules, it never works for a black person--even Serena Williams--to say that other non-black/males have gotten away with the same behavior. We know that we are conspicuous in predominantly white spaces and will be held to a different standard. A shame, and unfair, but the truth. Bad behavior is never seen as a reflection of an individual simply having a tough moment when the individual in question is black--it becomes an excuse for covert and overt racism.

Take a look at this Australian cartoon, in which the artist chose to portray Serena in the style of the Sambo-style depictions of black people common 100 years ago. Also see how Osaka is portrayed in the same cartoon.

http://www.tmz.com/2018/09/10/serena-williams-jk-rowling-newspaper-cartoon/


.. A different article where the cartoonist responds.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/405880-australian-newspaper-accused-of-racism-over-serena-williams



My issue with the cartoon is not just the sexism, but also that he relies on racist historical images in his depiction of her facial features. I understand caricature, but the cartoon looks nothing like her. Instead, it looks more like these:

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGRV_enUS751US751&biw=1366&bih=662&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=vKuWW-qwGZLw_AbVn5K4BQ&q=sambo+racist+cartoon&oq=sambo+racist&gs_l=img.1.1.35i39j0j0i5i30j0i8i30l2.5037.6006..8127...0.0..0.70.333.6......1....1..gws-wiz-img.......0i8i10i30.gFowd9251Mk
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2018 13:35     Subject: Re:Serena is a bully and a crybaby
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm not a tennis fan, but I don't see how the best, most experienced women's tennis player in history could receive coaching? Why would she need coaching?
(BTW, I read somewhere her coach admitted he was coaching her), but i don't get it - why would it get so blatent enough to be penalized. Just seems a very dumb move by the coach.


ok so you know nothing about tennis whatsoever but you think serena's coach is dumb for coaching her? unbelievable.


Coaching her enough to get a game penalty? That's not dumb?
Maybe you could go ahead and explain it to me.
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2018 13:34     Subject: Serena is a bully and a crybaby
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm a black woman--actually, 1/2 Asian too, but I identify as black given how I was raised (predominantly black schools and neighborhoods). While it seems there was some uneven adherence to the rules, it never works for a black person--even Serena Williams--to say that other non-black/males have gotten away with the same behavior. We know that we are conspicuous in predominantly white spaces and will be held to a different standard. A shame, and unfair, but the truth. Bad behavior is never seen as a reflection of an individual simply having a tough moment when the individual in question is black--it becomes an excuse for covert and overt racism.

Take a look at this Australian cartoon, in which the artist chose to portray Serena in the style of the Sambo-style depictions of black people common 100 years ago. Also see how Osaka is portrayed in the same cartoon.

http://www.tmz.com/2018/09/10/serena-williams-jk-rowling-newspaper-cartoon/


Wow, that is horrible!

Interesting that Osaka is portrayed with blond hair. Also, that she is being asked to "let" Serena win when she is the one who was awarded the extra point and game.



PP here. Yes, I noticed that--I guess he's trying to say that Williams felt entitled to the win.


Perhaps but Osaka was outplaying her handily in the match.....so there's that.


Did you catch the pacifier on the court? Nice touch.


Yes, nice misogynistic touch to infantilize a woman who is demanding fair treatment.


omg 'demanding equal treatment'.

no she was having meltdown because she was losing. it was precipitated by a questionable call and it is understandable. however doubling down on it does nobody a favor. certainly no other player will be impressed by her 'equal rights concern. it's a baloney, almost everyone knows it and shame on those who are trying to use this unfortunate incident as a cause... I am all for equal pay and paid maternity leave and presenting Serena's tantrum as part of that fight is beyond ridiculous.


The previous post said "fair" treatment, not "equal."

And we get it. Some people either dislike Serena or are big Osaka fans, but whichever it is, they are happy Serena lost and they don't want anyone to acknowledge that the chair umpire made a mistake in a high level, crucial match by awarding a point and an entire game to one of the competitors, thus affecting the outcome of the match.
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2018 13:33     Subject: Re:Serena is a bully and a crybaby
Anonymous wrote:I'm not a tennis fan, but I don't see how the best, most experienced women's tennis player in history could receive coaching? Why would she need coaching?
(BTW, I read somewhere her coach admitted he was coaching her), but i don't get it - why would it get so blatent enough to be penalized. Just seems a very dumb move by the coach.


ok so you know nothing about tennis whatsoever but you think serena's coach is dumb for coaching her? unbelievable.
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2018 13:32     Subject: Re:Serena is a bully and a crybaby
Anonymous wrote:I'm not a tennis fan, but I don't see how the best, most experienced women's tennis player in history could receive coaching? Why would she need coaching?
(BTW, I read somewhere her coach admitted he was coaching her), but i don't get it - why would it get so blatent enough to be penalized. Just seems a very dumb move by the coach.


* blatant
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2018 13:32     Subject: Serena is a bully and a crybaby
Anonymous wrote:Google John McEnroe stockholm 1984 if you want to see a real bonafide sh*t fit.


are you saying that serena is an asshole just like mcenroe? the fact that you are reaching to 1984 does not reflect well on her either.
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2018 13:31     Subject: Re:Serena is a bully and a crybaby
I'm not a tennis fan, but I don't see how the best, most experienced women's tennis player in history could receive coaching? Why would she need coaching?
(BTW, I read somewhere her coach admitted he was coaching her), but i don't get it - why would it get so blatent enough to be penalized. Just seems a very dumb move by the coach.