Anonymous wrote:And now Kelly jumps in publicly.

Sounds like Kelly tried to prep Trump for the call and remind him that Johnson was doing what he wanted to do when he died, and Trump kind of botched the execution in a big way. Not sure why he's complaining about the Congresswoman though. She was there, and has a right to say how Trump's insensitive words were interpreted.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/us/politics/john-kelly-son-trump.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=65972443&pgtype=article

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Anonymous wrote:And now Kelly jumps in publicly.

Sounds like Kelly tried to prep Trump for the call and remind him that Johnson was doing what he wanted to do when he died, and Trump kind of botched the execution in a big way. Not sure why he's complaining about the Congresswoman though. She was there, and has a right to say how Trump's insensitive words were interpreted.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/us/politics/john-kelly-son-trump.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=65972443&pgtype=article

Why is he complaining about the Congresswoman?
It was horribly insensitive and tactless of her to go public with the phone call. She politicized it. It was a private call and it was not her place to make it public.
If anyone knows... he does. He has been there - or didn’t you know he had a son killed in Afghanistan?

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Nope. Not an elite. Never even cracked $100k. But I've taken modest vacations, buy at Target, and replaced cars once every 12 years or so I can comtribute the full amoimt to my 401k. I have $500,000 now. Hardly elite - but someone who twkes responsibility for herself and wants to build a nice retirement. I am typical of millions of others - hard-working middle Americans who sacrifice now for a comfortable future.

The out-of-work blue collar workers still get benefits, provided by my taxes, like food stamps, housing subsidize, free Medicaid, etc. Nobody's forgotten about them. But unlike libs, we don't direct 100% of our focus to poor people and ignore - or make worse - the situation with the middle class. Why are you happy that the middle class is more likely to have a good retirement, based on increasing stock values as a result of Trump's policies?

Again, that is why you LOST.

DP... I'm very similar to you, except our HHI is a bit larger, but we live pretty frugally. Like you, our cars are old; I shop at Target for our clothes; we didn't go on vacation this past year. I take responsibility for myself and am saving the max for our retirement. We are self employed.

I think you are confused to some degree about what the Dems tried to do for the middle class. They are not the ones who want to decrease services for the middle/lower class and give huge tax cuts to the rich. Many tax experts have stated that Trump/Rs tax plan will raise taxes for many of the middle class. Coupled that with cutting medicaid, wanting to let insurance companies charge 5x more for older Americans and those with pre-existing conditions for healthcare, this doesn't really help the middle class. Also, many in the middle class don't really have much in retirement. So, in actuality, in terms of retirement plans and stock value, you are an outlier in the middle class.

PP above to whom you responded......

We do seem to be in similar circumstances (and I am self-employed, as well). But I'm not confused about when the Dems tried to do for the middle class - I am living what they DID do for the middle class, and that was to create an insurance scheme that effectively decimated the individual market for middle-income people such as myself in order to see that poorer people got their care for free. My monthly premium is now MORE than the P&I on my mortgage, and I am living very modestly now in order to afford care. (And remember, after the astronomical premium, I've still had to pay for every medical expense I've incurred. The plans now are essentially "catastrophic" plans, but with "gold-level" premiums.)

As far as cutting Medicaid, they aren't cutting it - they are slowing the rate of growth. And we MUST do that. Medicaid is careening toward insolvency. We can't keep expanding entitlement program after entitlement program when the country is $20T in debt. And I know you believe we should just get it from the rich, but they are already paying the lion's share of taxes. If we needed to collect enough revenues to pay for all these programs, we'd have to dip down pretty far on the income scale, well into the upper-middle class.

Our philosophies our different. I support someone who helps create an environment that is conducive to business growth - via removal of onerous regulations and getting a corporate tax rate down to the point where we are globally competitive - so that employers can hire more people (both the lower and middle gain from that), pay more dividends (yes, the middle class gains from that), drive the stock price (middle class, too) and so forth. I am praying that this corporate tax rate goes through and the Dems don't try to block it.

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Nope. Not an elite. Never even cracked $100k. But I've taken modest vacations, buy at Target, and replaced cars once every 12 years or so I can comtribute the full amoimt to my 401k. I have $500,000 now. Hardly elite - but someone who twkes responsibility for herself and wants to build a nice retirement. I am typical of millions of others - hard-working middle Americans who sacrifice now for a comfortable future.

The out-of-work blue collar workers still get benefits, provided by my taxes, like food stamps, housing subsidize, free Medicaid, etc. Nobody's forgotten about them. But unlike libs, we don't direct 100% of our focus to poor people and ignore - or make worse - the situation with the middle class. Why are you happy that the middle class is more likely to have a good retirement, based on increasing stock values as a result of Trump's policies?

Again, that is why you LOST.

DP... I'm very similar to you, except our HHI is a bit larger, but we live pretty frugally. Like you, our cars are old; I shop at Target for our clothes; we didn't go on vacation this past year. I take responsibility for myself and am saving the max for our retirement. We are self employed.

I think you are confused to some degree about what the Dems tried to do for the middle class. They are not the ones who want to decrease services for the middle/lower class and give huge tax cuts to the rich. Many tax experts have stated that Trump/Rs tax plan will raise taxes for many of the middle class. Coupled that with cutting medicaid, wanting to let insurance companies charge 5x more for older Americans and those with pre-existing conditions for healthcare, this doesn't really help the middle class. Also, many in the middle class don't really have much in retirement. So, in actuality, in terms of retirement plans and stock value, you are an outlier in the middle class.

PP above to whom you responded......

We do seem to be in similar circumstances (and I am self-employed, as well). But I'm not confused about when the Dems tried to do for the middle class - I am living what they DID do for the middle class, and that was to create an insurance scheme that effectively decimated the individual market for middle-income people such as myself in order to see that poorer people got their care for free. My monthly premium is now MORE than the P&I on my mortgage, and I am living very modestly now in order to afford care. (And remember, after the astronomical premium, I've still had to pay for every medical expense I've incurred. The plans now are essentially "catastrophic" plans, but with "gold-level" premiums.)

As far as cutting Medicaid, they aren't cutting it - they are slowing the rate of growth. And we MUST do that. Medicaid is careening toward insolvency. We can't keep expanding entitlement program after entitlement program when the country is $20T in debt. And I know you believe we should just get it from the rich, but they are already paying the lion's share of taxes. If we needed to collect enough revenues to pay for all these programs, we'd have to dip down pretty far on the income scale, well into the upper-middle class.

Our philosophies our different. I support someone who helps create an environment that is conducive to business growth - via removal of onerous regulations and getting a corporate tax rate down to the point where we are globally competitive - so that employers can hire more people (both the lower and middle gain from that), pay more dividends (yes, the middle class gains from that), drive the stock price (middle class, too) and so forth. I am praying that this corporate tax rate goes through and the Dems don't try to block it.

Anonymous wrote:And now Kelly jumps in publicly.

Sounds like Kelly tried to prep Trump for the call and remind him that Johnson was doing what he wanted to do when he died, and Trump kind of botched the execution in a big way. Not sure why he's complaining about the Congresswoman though. She was there, and has a right to say how Trump's insensitive words were interpreted.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/us/politics/john-kelly-son-trump.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=65972443&pgtype=article

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How about consumer confidence at an all-time high.....illegal border crossings down 70+ percent.....reworking VA so vets can see their own doctors....getting rid of onerous business regulations that are strangling businesses.....stock market at all-time high, helping the half of Americans who own stocks....successful military operations.....unemployment at a 17-year low.....food stamp usage down....flying his private jet to rescue a sick child (bet you didn't hear about that, did you?).....signing the Keystone pipeline to add 80,000 jobs and work toward energy independence.....returning issues to Congress that rightfully should have been their decision ....red., etc. those are some off the top of my head.

Here's a more inclusive list. And yes, I had to go to a conservative site to get some. The liberal media isn't reporting them (which was my point).

P.S. I don't particularly like this site, but I'm leaving for work. I'll find something better later.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/19/wilbur-ross-trump-has-driven-the-stock-market-to-4-trillion-in-gains.html

-Consumer confidence is not at an all time high
-Illegal border crossings have been going down for years, this is not due to Trump. In fact, Obama deported more illegals in the first 9 months of 2016 than Trump has in the first 9 months of 2017.
-The VA reform was underway under Obama and in fact, the head is the one Obama holdover.
-What specific business regulations that were onerous have been eliminated and what exactly is the economic impact and environmental impact of said regulations?
-Stock market has been rising for years as a result of the stabilization of the economy under the previous administration. Yes it has seen a bounce due to the anticipation of corporate tax cuts, but even Mnuchin said yesterday that those DOW gains would disappear if the cuts don't happen. Most Americans do not benefit from a rise in the stock market.
-What policies has Trump enacted that has impacted unemployment? Again, the trendline has been good for years.
-What policies has Trump enacted that has impacted Food Stamps? Again, the trendline has been good for years.
-How does flying one sick kid compare to the overt abuse that has cost millions in taxpayer dollars and Tom Price his job?
-Check your figures on Keystone. Also, where is the steel for the pipeline coming from? Oh ya, Russia.
-Keystone is not energy independence for the US. The best path towards energy independence in the US is renewables, which has 6x the jobs of coal in the US.
-Returning issues to Congress. In theory, I agree with you on this. In practice, Trump has signed many more impactful EO's than Obama and doesn't have any major legislative victories.

So off the top of your head, there really isn't much that Trump has accomplished. Well, actually, he has made our foreign policy a shambles, has caused further instability in Kurdistan and North Korea, is inflaming our longtime Allies in Europe over both the EU and Iran.

I guess we really do live in two countries if you believe what you wrote.

I knew you would pick apart all the great things Trumo has done with lots of mis-truths. You are clearly one of those libsters who will never in a million yeaes acknowledge that there are many things Trump has accomplished - or even a single thing for that matter. You're too blinded with bias, and I'm not going to waste any more time trying to convince someone who is so completely one-sided in her perspective.

I for one am glad millions of middle-class Americans are in better shape as a result of Trump's policies. We count, too you know.

The same middle class that is in line to pay higher taxes if that bill goes through? So. Much. Winning.

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Nope. Not an elite. Never even cracked $100k. But I've taken modest vacations, buy at Target, and replaced cars once every 12 years or so I can comtribute the full amoimt to my 401k. I have $500,000 now. Hardly elite - but someone who twkes responsibility for herself and wants to build a nice retirement. I am typical of millions of others - hard-working middle Americans who sacrifice now for a comfortable future.

The out-of-work blue collar workers still get benefits, provided by my taxes, like food stamps, housing subsidize, free Medicaid, etc. Nobody's forgotten about them. But unlike libs, we don't direct 100% of our focus to poor people and ignore - or make worse - the situation with the middle class. Why are you happy that the middle class is more likely to have a good retirement, based on increasing stock values as a result of Trump's policies?

Again, that is why you LOST.

DP... I'm very similar to you, except our HHI is a bit larger, but we live pretty frugally. Like you, our cars are old; I shop at Target for our clothes; we didn't go on vacation this past year. I take responsibility for myself and am saving the max for our retirement. We are self employed.

I think you are confused to some degree about what the Dems tried to do for the middle class. They are not the ones who want to decrease services for the middle/lower class and give huge tax cuts to the rich. Many tax experts have stated that Trump/Rs tax plan will raise taxes for many of the middle class. Coupled that with cutting medicaid, wanting to let insurance companies charge 5x more for older Americans and those with pre-existing conditions for healthcare, this doesn't really help the middle class. Also, many in the middle class don't really have much in retirement. So, in actuality, in terms of retirement plans and stock value, you are an outlier in the middle class.

Wow. Talk about major spin. I'm middle class ok and thankful president trump is helpful by my 401k go up. You should be more grateful!

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Wow. Talk about major spin. I'm middle class ok and thankful president trump is helpful by my 401k go up. You should be more grateful!

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Nope. Not an elite. Never even cracked $100k. But I've taken modest vacations, buy at Target, and replaced cars once every 12 years or so I can comtribute the full amoimt to my 401k. I have $500,000 now. Hardly elite - but someone who twkes responsibility for herself and wants to build a nice retirement. I am typical of millions of others - hard-working middle Americans who sacrifice now for a comfortable future.

The out-of-work blue collar workers still get benefits, provided by my taxes, like food stamps, housing subsidize, free Medicaid, etc. Nobody's forgotten about them. But unlike libs, we don't direct 100% of our focus to poor people and ignore - or make worse - the situation with the middle class. Why are you happy that the middle class is more likely to have a good retirement, based on increasing stock values as a result of Trump's policies?

Again, that is why you LOST.

If you think Trump and the Republicans are the middle class friends then I think you are very mistaken. The Republicans are already talking of raising the age for medicare from 65 to 67 and of cutting money and benefits for social security, medicare, and medicaid of which most elderly in nursing homes depend upon and of which the disabled depend upon. The ultimate goal of Republicans is do away with or privatize and severely limit social security, medicare, and medicaid.

The Republicans also would love to do away with or severely limit the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau which helps protect consumers against financial predators. Trump also reversed the rule for allowing more workers to be eligible for overtime under a higher year salary. Before the rule, many employers such as retailers and others would call folks making not much more than minimum wage "managers" and expected them to work many hours of free overtime per week (often 20 or more). And now the Republicans are happy with that.

The of course there is healthcare which Republicans want to go back to the old days or only offer catastrophic health insurance that only covers a little which is junk insurance and really only benefits the ultra wealthy. Catastrophic insurance often means no care, very limited care, and worsened health and death to average Americans. Many Americans prior to Obamacare could not afford going to doctors, getting tests done, or pay for their medications.

Of and the tax cuts they are proposing will have 80% of the cuts benefiting the top 1% of the richest Americans and will have 30% of the middle class paying more in taxes.

The Republicans are really only friends of the ultra-wealthy.

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How bout taking some personal responsibility??