Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:"My kid aced the entrance exam, wrote perfect essays, has all As, got exemplary recommendations from her teachers and still didn't get into TJ!!!!!!"
Hard to believe. To what do you ascribe this? (also, how can you know he/she "wrote perfect essays?"
Anonymous wrote:"My kid aced the entrance exam, wrote perfect essays, has all As, got exemplary recommendations from her teachers and still didn't get into TJ!!!!!!"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:WISC V FSIQ: 134
GBRS: 12
not eligible -![]()
What were the cogat and nnat?
In independent school. No cogat or NNAT. Thought the 134 + 12 wild do the trick. Thoughts?
GMU offers other tests - perhaps call them and ask what your options are? Are you transferring into FCPS next year? If so, you can then take the COGAT.
I was told the wisc would suffice and 134 is in the 99%. Not sure what to think
Seriously, this is why FCPS should be sued. I know a child with scores in the low 120s who got in and this child didn't? I'm dumbfounded by some of the in and not in scores. Someone should do a FOIA request to see what's up with the random nature of the selections.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just wanted to give some advice to parents who are considering the appeal. First, with respect to my son currently in 2nd grade, I am still waiting to find out if he got into AAP (zip code 22101 and can't believe I haven't heard yet). I have twins and one of them we are trying for AAP and one we are not (as AAP is definitely not appropriate for him - he is so smart, but has learning disabilities and we don't want his confidence and enjoyment in school to lessen).
This appeal info is with respect to my older son who is currently at Longfellow in 7th grade AAP and didn't get into AAP at first, but got in on appeal. He took the WISC for the appeal and he scored 99th percentile on verbal so that helped a lot. His 2nd grade teacher was not supportive of him getting into AAP and so I knew I had to do the appeal on my own. The WISC score was enough to get him in on appeal and I would like to say that now in 7th grade he is straight As and one of the best students in Longfellow AAP program (doing super in Mr. Williams math class for those of you who know who he is) so those parents who say that kids who get in on appeal don't deserve to get into AAP don't know what they are talking about. You know your kid better than anyone. Have your kid take the WISC and if the scores are good, appeal. If they are not good, you can still appeal, but know your chances are not as good. If they don't get into AAP for 3rd grade, try again next year, but maybe have your kid do mathnesium or a similar program after school so they don't fall behind in math - that's the biggest difference between AAP and regular education program is that the math moves ahead a year. It's much easier to catch up in reading than math. My oldest son actually didn't enter into AAP until 6th grade because we were overseas and he still did fabulously because we got him a math tutor in 5th grade to help him catch up to where the kids were by 6th grade. So your kid can also do fine entering AAP later if you keep up the math. Good luck!
+100 We got in on appeal also.I thought it was ridiculous in the first place that he did not get in b/c from out of State. they used EVERY excuse. (I was dumb enough to tell people about it --not smart! but he had always been the smartest in the class and I did not know all the politics)
Now in college -- 4.2 average at TJ, now at an Ivy. Really if your DC has the scores and the aptitude, appeal and you will win. The school principal tried to tell me the Math was 'too hard" He got it in one day. People DO get overlooked who belong in the program.
How on earth do you people have the gumption to state these things (underlined) that are just guesses that you've apparently solidified in your minds???????
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was the poster at 4.01. Thank you all for your responses.
Where do you inquire about testing for other than WSIC tests? Someone mentioned a Woodcock Johnson test, as well as inquiring about the Lever III services (are these part-time, as in like the same as a 'guest' in the program?) Our school has Level IV services and we have a designated AAP Center as well. How to go about inquiring (with the AART or with the Principal directly) either about 'guesting' in the program or part-time services? I understand there could be re-testing done for CogAT at the school itself, once in the 3rd-7th grades (so once in those 5 years). Does anyone know when that can be requested or is it school-specific?
It seems that my best bet is to hope for a high WSIC score. I do not want to prep my child as my intention truly is to see how capable he is - the testing needs to be novel to him. I will also want to manage my expectations - a good point from the earlier poster - about WSIC. Perhaps my child excels in only 1 area and that is fine and he may get advanced services in that area. If we do not get into AAP, the life will go on and we will make sure our son matures. Someone noted offering him extracurricular opportunities - he has done that consistently since K, taking a variety of school enrichment programs. I am told his chess club instructor thinks he reasons and strategizes really well. He is on a swim team and his coach is impressed with his dedication. I assume letters from extracurricular activities like this should be helpful in the appeals package. BUT a lot of discussants also say that this is an ACADEMIC not extracurricular placement and what matters ultimately and above all is STRONG math and STRONG writing/reading. We are strong in math and we read above grade level. How did that translate into GBRS as low as 6 is completely stumping us.
Can someone please post a few examples of what they have done on appeals if their scores were SIMILAR or IDENTICAL to ours? (NNAT 104, CogAT 111, GBRS 6 (he is clearly not the teacher's favorite student); WSIC testing pending). Did they do WSIC and other tests and if the latter, where and with what testing and results turnaround? What WSIC score did they get? Were they successful with the appeals process?
I was also shocked at the samples the school selected for the screening file. My child spontaneously produces much better samples at home. I do plan to show strong samples from home but wonder if the central committee will see them as 'controlled' since the will come from home.
Thank you all for your input.
What was the WISC score?
I will tell you these scores are 20 + points below those who are in AAP. Some maybe 30+ points lower. There will be no students in AAP with similar scores, unless someone is messing with you. There are many trolls on here. First, you will have to get an IQ test completed and to over come these scores, the score has to be in the 130s. In a typical gifted program, the bottom or threshold to enter is a IQ of 130. On NNAT, CoGAT IQ test the top score is around 160. It is not a 104 out of 100 nor is is a 111 out of 100. It is more like 104 out of 160 and a 111 out of 160. Many parents on here are very familiar with this type of scoring, they were also in gifted etc. Again, if you get rude responses from your question on your child's score you have have to understand those scores are not even close to consideration. The GBRS is a 6 out of 16. They take to top 99-98% of the county. On your test score you reci bed back there is a county percentage and a national percentage. Your child may me 95% in the Nation and only 90% in the county. Or 98% in the Nation and 95% in the county. This is a very smart region.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:AAP Committee is smart enough to identify kids who just got score but can not sit quietly to listen and follow for 20 mins in the class room. It is not just about the score but overall kids behavior in the class, ability to learn new things and adapt with class teachers and peers.
You are going to be very disappointed if you think AAP is a quiet, well behaved class of kids who know how to sit and be quiet.
AAP classes are generally full of high strung, hyperactive, busy, fidgiting, emotional and energetic kids. Many of the highest performing kids are also 2E which brings another set of challenge to the AAP classroom.
If you want the studious, well behaved, quiet, teacher pleaser classrooms, AAP is probably not for you or your child.
Thank you for so beautifully describing my kids so well!![]()
I have heard this for years but don't really agree that it is really more for the 2e kids or that much of the class if hyperactive. Out of the 32 in my kids' classes the last few years, there were probably 7-8 like that. Most were not, but plenty were. Not a big deal, because you'll have all types in classes along the way.
I can attest that my kids' AAP classes were "full of high strung, hyperactive, busy, fidgiting, emotional and energetic kids" for their years in AAP centers.
Anonymous wrote:Hello, I have the very same score like yours. GBRS is 8 . We are appealing with high WISC score.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was the poster at 4.01. Thank you all for your responses.
Where do you inquire about testing for other than WSIC tests? Someone mentioned a Woodcock Johnson test, as well as inquiring about the Lever III services (are these part-time, as in like the same as a 'guest' in the program?) Our school has Level IV services and we have a designated AAP Center as well. How to go about inquiring (with the AART or with the Principal directly) either about 'guesting' in the program or part-time services? I understand there could be re-testing done for CogAT at the school itself, once in the 3rd-7th grades (so once in those 5 years). Does anyone know when that can be requested or is it school-specific?
It seems that my best bet is to hope for a high WSIC score. I do not want to prep my child as my intention truly is to see how capable he is - the testing needs to be novel to him. I will also want to manage my expectations - a good point from the earlier poster - about WSIC. Perhaps my child excels in only 1 area and that is fine and he may get advanced services in that area. If we do not get into AAP, the life will go on and we will make sure our son matures. Someone noted offering him extracurricular opportunities - he has done that consistently since K, taking a variety of school enrichment programs. I am told his chess club instructor thinks he reasons and strategizes really well. He is on a swim team and his coach is impressed with his dedication. I assume letters from extracurricular activities like this should be helpful in the appeals package. BUT a lot of discussants also say that this is an ACADEMIC not extracurricular placement and what matters ultimately and above all is STRONG math and STRONG writing/reading. We are strong in math and we read above grade level. How did that translate into GBRS as low as 6 is completely stumping us.
Can someone please post a few examples of what they have done on appeals if their scores were SIMILAR or IDENTICAL to ours? (NNAT 104, CogAT 111, GBRS 6 (he is clearly not the teacher's favorite student); WSIC testing pending). Did they do WSIC and other tests and if the latter, where and with what testing and results turnaround? What WSIC score did they get? Were they successful with the appeals process?
I was also shocked at the samples the school selected for the screening file. My child spontaneously produces much better samples at home. I do plan to show strong samples from home but wonder if the central committee will see them as 'controlled' since the will come from home.
Thank you all for your input.
What was the WISC score?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not in, and not happy about it. Will be appealing.
NNAT 130
CoGat 131
GBRS 14
This is shocking!
Not sure, why this is shocking? NNAT and CoGAT are below in pool score, only GBRS is high. Need good scores on 2 of 3, preferably on GBRS and CoGAT which are valued higher than NNAT.
PP is talking out of his/her ass.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not in, and not happy about it. Will be appealing.
NNAT 130
CoGat 131
GBRS 14
This is shocking!
Not sure, why this is shocking? NNAT and CoGAT are below in pool score, only GBRS is high. Need good scores on 2 of 3, preferably on GBRS and CoGAT which are valued higher than NNAT.