Anonymous
Post 11/10/2013 14:11     Subject: Re:Does anyone like Curriculum 2.0?

The point is that these kids are not super advanced. 2.0 is simply far below age appropriate instruction.
Anonymous
Post 11/10/2013 13:31     Subject: Re:Does anyone like Curriculum 2.0?

Anonymous wrote:
She learned nothing new the entire year. Nothing new. Really? Nothing?


Common experience now in MCPS. The preschools outpace K and 1st grade in 2.0.


Wow, kindergarteners in MCPS must really be advanced, if they are learning nothing -- NOT ONE SINGLE THING!!!!111! -- in 180 days of school. And those preschools, too, teaching every 5-year-old how to read in pre-K. It's amazing.
Anonymous
Post 11/10/2013 13:22     Subject: Re:Does anyone like Curriculum 2.0?

She learned nothing new the entire year. Nothing new. Really? Nothing?


Common experience now in MCPS. The preschools outpace K and 1st grade in 2.0.
Anonymous
Post 11/10/2013 06:49     Subject: Does anyone like Curriculum 2.0?

Anonymous wrote:
When I di dit 30 years ago, it was considered one year ahead of grade level, and it was as accelerated as we were allowed to get. I don't have a kid in HS yet, but my impression is that Algebra II in 10th is now on grade level in MCPS.


Yes, Algebra II in 10th grade is now grade level in MCPS. Grade level is Algebra I in 8th, Geometry in 9th, Algebra II in 10th, Pre-calculus in 11th, and Calculus in 12th.

When I was in high school, that track was above-grade level, and you had to test in, in 6th grade.

Anonymous
Post 11/10/2013 06:46     Subject: Re:Does anyone like Curriculum 2.0?

Anonymous wrote:I was open minded about 2.0. DD went to a good preschool but isn't a brilliant, genius. The K curriculum was less than what she did as a four year old in preschool. [b]She learned nothing new the entire year. I didn't get upset because this is kindergarten. I assumed that the school was leveling and if some kids didn't know their letters then all kids just had to sit through it. So far, first grade has been just, if not more, disappointing.

On observation day, the parents watched while the teacher put up two letters for a beginning sounds and then several pictures. All the kids had to raise their hand and answer which picture started with the sounds. This is not age appropriate for 1st grade. Preschool, OK. Kindergarten, bad but OK. 1st grade? No way. The math is even worse.

I have spoken to other parents with kids older than my DD. The general consensus among everyone that I have spoken with is that no one is happy about 2.0. The only thing that exists is degrees of whether you think there is any point speaking up.


She learned nothing new the entire year. Nothing new. Really? Nothing?

Also, how do you know that 2.0 requires every teacher in MCPS to do what your first grader's teacher did on observation day? This is a serious question. How do you know this? I'm asking because it sure isn't my experience with 2.0 in my kid's school.

(And yes, at least one person is happy about 2.0. Me.)
Anonymous
Post 11/10/2013 06:44     Subject: Re:Does anyone like Curriculum 2.0?

Anonymous wrote:Many of us had kids in MCPS pre-2.0 and post 2.0 and we found pre-2.0 to be better. Perhaps if you had made the switch sooner, you would agree. You simply didn't have exposure to the old curriculum to know what you are currently missing.


And many of us had kids in MCPS pre-2.0 and post-2.0 and we found post-2.0 to be better. I had the exposure to the old curriculum. I don't miss the lack of science and social studies, the narrow range of writing, and the level-skipping in math.
Anonymous
Post 11/09/2013 16:25     Subject: Re:Does anyone like Curriculum 2.0?

Anonymous wrote:Honey, I am trained in IB at the high school level. I worked in MYP teams at my school. I am now a teacher trainer.

And I can honestly say that 2.0 - when it's taught correctly - is far superior to what was in place before.

Learning in a disjointed way, where an answer is either right or wrong, doesn't give students the big picture. And when they hit college, which is even more fragmented, they aren't able to make the connections among subject areas.

You can think what you like. But until you go through as much training as I have, I don't think you're qualified to make a judgment.

You simply didn't have exposure to any educational training to know what you are currently missing.


Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Enrollment is down at some schools. The private schools, even the parochial ones, are over a year ahead of MCPS now. This didn't used to be the case.


We pulled our daughter from private and placed her in public. She's in 4th grade where the Curriculum 2.0 philosophy is relatively new to kids in her grade.

At her private school, I didn't know her reading level. Here, she tested at a middle school level and is literally off the charts in reading for her age. Right now they're doing extension questions and even touching upon author's style.

In math, she is still struggling to discuss her process for arriving at an answer. She does fine - is also in the top group - but is a bit more timid in discussing mathematical processes b/c it's not something most of us were taught to do. In math, the answer was right or wrong at her former school. With this philosophy, which is IB-based, process is equally as important as the product.

I am an educator, and while my daughter's private school did teach her the basics, it failed in the area of critical thinking. I did quite a bit of "enrichment" at home to get her to her current level.

And remember, folks; life isn't black and white. It's very gray. So those of you who can't stand Curriculum 2.0 simply can't wrap your heads around the philosophical framework, which is frightening.


Look, many parents in MCPS understand that the education our kids receive is far superior to what the would get at some of the area private schools. We understand that our academics are simply better than what the privates offer form $30k or more. We are, for the most part, very involved, aware and educated. These are the reasons we don't want 2.0 to diminish our system. The fact that 2.0 is still better than what you were paying for at a private is telling. It is telling that you were getting so little for your money at your private. It does not speak to the quality of 2.0. Many of us had kids in MCPS pre-2.0 and post 2.0 and we found pre-2.0 to be better. Perhaps if you had made the switch sooner, you would agree. You simply didn't have exposure to the old curriculum to know what you are currently missing.

Ok I get it, not only is 2.0 bad, so are all the private schools.
Ok
Anonymous
Post 11/09/2013 15:38     Subject: Re:Does anyone like Curriculum 2.0?

I was open minded about 2.0. DD went to a good preschool but isn't a brilliant, genius. The K curriculum was less than what she did as a four year old in preschool. She learned nothing new the entire year. I didn't get upset because this is kindergarten. I assumed that the school was leveling and if some kids didn't know their letters then all kids just had to sit through it. So far, first grade has been just, if not more, disappointing.

On observation day, the parents watched while the teacher put up two letters for a beginning sounds and then several pictures. All the kids had to raise their hand and answer which picture started with the sounds. This is not age appropriate for 1st grade. Preschool, OK. Kindergarten, bad but OK. 1st grade? No way. The math is even worse.

I have spoken to other parents with kids older than my DD. The general consensus among everyone that I have spoken with is that no one is happy about 2.0. The only thing that exists is degrees of whether you think there is any point speaking up.
Anonymous
Post 11/09/2013 14:41     Subject: Re:Does anyone like Curriculum 2.0?

Honey, I am trained in IB at the high school level. I worked in MYP teams at my school. I am now a teacher trainer.

And I can honestly say that 2.0 - when it's taught correctly - is far superior to what was in place before.

Learning in a disjointed way, where an answer is either right or wrong, doesn't give students the big picture. And when they hit college, which is even more fragmented, they aren't able to make the connections among subject areas.

You can think what you like. But until you go through as much training as I have, I don't think you're qualified to make a judgment.

You simply didn't have exposure to any educational training to know what you are currently missing.


Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Enrollment is down at some schools. The private schools, even the parochial ones, are over a year ahead of MCPS now. This didn't used to be the case.


We pulled our daughter from private and placed her in public. She's in 4th grade where the Curriculum 2.0 philosophy is relatively new to kids in her grade.

At her private school, I didn't know her reading level. Here, she tested at a middle school level and is literally off the charts in reading for her age. Right now they're doing extension questions and even touching upon author's style.

In math, she is still struggling to discuss her process for arriving at an answer. She does fine - is also in the top group - but is a bit more timid in discussing mathematical processes b/c it's not something most of us were taught to do. In math, the answer was right or wrong at her former school. With this philosophy, which is IB-based, process is equally as important as the product.

I am an educator, and while my daughter's private school did teach her the basics, it failed in the area of critical thinking. I did quite a bit of "enrichment" at home to get her to her current level.

And remember, folks; life isn't black and white. It's very gray. So those of you who can't stand Curriculum 2.0 simply can't wrap your heads around the philosophical framework, which is frightening.


Look, many parents in MCPS understand that the education our kids receive is far superior to what the would get at some of the area private schools. We understand that our academics are simply better than what the privates offer form $30k or more. We are, for the most part, very involved, aware and educated. These are the reasons we don't want 2.0 to diminish our system. The fact that 2.0 is still better than what you were paying for at a private is telling. It is telling that you were getting so little for your money at your private. It does not speak to the quality of 2.0. Many of us had kids in MCPS pre-2.0 and post 2.0 and we found pre-2.0 to be better. Perhaps if you had made the switch sooner, you would agree. You simply didn't have exposure to the old curriculum to know what you are currently missing.
Anonymous
Post 11/09/2013 14:32     Subject: Re:Does anyone like Curriculum 2.0?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Enrollment is down at some schools. The private schools, even the parochial ones, are over a year ahead of MCPS now. This didn't used to be the case.


We pulled our daughter from private and placed her in public. She's in 4th grade where the Curriculum 2.0 philosophy is relatively new to kids in her grade.

At her private school, I didn't know her reading level. Here, she tested at a middle school level and is literally off the charts in reading for her age. Right now they're doing extension questions and even touching upon author's style.

In math, she is still struggling to discuss her process for arriving at an answer. She does fine - is also in the top group - but is a bit more timid in discussing mathematical processes b/c it's not something most of us were taught to do. In math, the answer was right or wrong at her former school. With this philosophy, which is IB-based, process is equally as important as the product.

I am an educator, and while my daughter's private school did teach her the basics, it failed in the area of critical thinking. I did quite a bit of "enrichment" at home to get her to her current level.

And remember, folks; life isn't black and white. It's very gray. So those of you who can't stand Curriculum 2.0 simply can't wrap your heads around the philosophical framework, which is frightening.


Look, many parents in MCPS understand that the education our kids receive is far superior to what the would get at some of the area private schools. We understand that our academics are simply better than what the privates offer form $30k or more. We are, for the most part, very involved, aware and educated. These are the reasons we don't want 2.0 to diminish our system. The fact that 2.0 is still better than what you were paying for at a private is telling. It is telling that you were getting so little for your money at your private. It does not speak to the quality of 2.0. Many of us had kids in MCPS pre-2.0 and post 2.0 and we found pre-2.0 to be better. Perhaps if you had made the switch sooner, you would agree. You simply didn't have exposure to the old curriculum to know what you are currently missing.
Anonymous
Post 11/09/2013 12:20     Subject: Re:Does anyone like Curriculum 2.0?

What is frightening is MCPS lack of response to legitimate parental complaints. 2.0 does suck. Its has knocked MCPS behind other public and private school systems. The math is far behind what is age appropriate. The grade report is meaningless and serves no one other MCPS.

The argument that there is nothing they can do about it is plain wrong. MCPS could re-instate acceleration for math. MCPS could change the grading system. There is nothing in Common Core that states students can't achieve beyond the lowest bar.
Anonymous
Post 11/09/2013 10:47     Subject: Does anyone like Curriculum 2.0?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I was talking to a co-worker whose 10th grade parochial school son is taking Algebra II..he was bragging that he is 2 years ahead of some of his friends. I was really surprised to hear that!


I took Alg II/Trig in 10th grade in public school. And this was YEARS ago!

bragging that he's ahead? really?

When I di dit 30 years ago, it was considered one year ahead of grade level, and it was as accelerated as we were allowed to get. I don't have a kid in HS yet, but my impression is that Algebra II in 10th is now on grade level in MCPS.
Anonymous
Post 11/09/2013 10:42     Subject: Does anyone like Curriculum 2.0?

Anonymous wrote:^^^What's more, what do you propose, besides "Get rid of 2.0!" Go back to the old curriculum? That's not happening. Develop a new curriculum? How long will that take? How much will it cost? What problems with implementation will it have? And how much will certain parents in MCPS complain about their children being used as guinea pigs for an untested curriculum?


The guinea pig comment always makes me laugh.

My daughter is a "guinea pig" and is doing very well.

Upon what sort of "creatures" should 2.0 be tested? cows? Martians? Chinese Crested dogs?

I wish the anti-guinea pig parents could answer that for me.

Anonymous
Post 11/09/2013 10:39     Subject: Does anyone like Curriculum 2.0?

Anonymous wrote:I was talking to a co-worker whose 10th grade parochial school son is taking Algebra II..he was bragging that he is 2 years ahead of some of his friends. I was really surprised to hear that!


I took Alg II/Trig in 10th grade in public school. And this was YEARS ago!

bragging that he's ahead? really?
Anonymous
Post 11/09/2013 10:37     Subject: Re:Does anyone like Curriculum 2.0?

Anonymous wrote:Enrollment is down at some schools. The private schools, even the parochial ones, are over a year ahead of MCPS now. This didn't used to be the case.


We pulled our daughter from private and placed her in public. She's in 4th grade where the Curriculum 2.0 philosophy is relatively new to kids in her grade.

At her private school, I didn't know her reading level. Here, she tested at a middle school level and is literally off the charts in reading for her age. Right now they're doing extension questions and even touching upon author's style.

In math, she is still struggling to discuss her process for arriving at an answer. She does fine - is also in the top group - but is a bit more timid in discussing mathematical processes b/c it's not something most of us were taught to do. In math, the answer was right or wrong at her former school. With this philosophy, which is IB-based, process is equally as important as the product.

I am an educator, and while my daughter's private school did teach her the basics, it failed in the area of critical thinking. I did quite a bit of "enrichment" at home to get her to her current level.

And remember, folks; life isn't black and white. It's very gray. So those of you who can't stand Curriculum 2.0 simply can't wrap your heads around the philosophical framework, which is frightening.