Anonymous
12/22/2025 02:56
Subject: Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What will happen is that Wootton parents will reject option H. The county does not have the money to renovate Wootton. Wootton will eventually become too unsafe. Wootton kids will then be split up, separated from their friends, and sent on long commutes to different high schools around the county.
Wootton parents are completely screwing their own kids with their lack of realism on limited money and their magical belief that Wootton HS will ever be renovated.
As a parent in the Wootton cluster-I actually would prefer this than the current choices. I imagine if what you are saying does happen-the schools the different neighborhoods would be sent to would have to make sense geographically. For us as a whole to go to Crown does not.
Are you cold spring? I feel like cold spring is the furthest from crown though also far from Wootton. I would think Cold Spring closing and moving the CES to a different Wootton cluster elementary school and then move the local Cold Spring kids to Beverly Farms and the pocket of Beverly Farms near Cold Spring on the north side of Falls Rd to Wayside. Then all would go to Churchill with some plan for how to handle the middle school splits. Problem is Churchill is only going to get close to 100% utilized with no changes. I’d think a small addition at Churchill to bring its capacity up to 2100-2200 would be wise and further prevent Crown under an option H from getting overcrowded down the road. Also down the road QO definitely needs to be renovated and when that’s done its capacity should increase to 2000-2200 which could allow some overflow absorption. Both of these small additional costs would be a fraction of the Wootton replacement which isn’t needed now.
Of course Crown being built was a mistake but that’s with hindsight being 20-20. At the time it was clearly more justifiable, though I’d have argued at the time that money would be better spent renovating and making larger QO and Wootton, and then doing an addition at Churchill and RM.
This points out the MCPS folly in separating the Crown and Woodward studies. There's no need for Churchill to be overcrowded if there could be cascading shifts towards Whitman and WJ, and the same cascades from those areas & Woodward north.
From the beginning, it should have been all schools at all levels, and that should be done with some regularity. The shifts would not be nearly as dramatic, overcrowding would be a rare outlier, more easily countered with one-off operational considerations, and the system could more effectively and cheaply address CIP needs, from renovation/rebuild to expansion/contraction.
So, you are going to ignore the dcc schools being overcrowded?
Not at all. They are part of "all schools at all levels." "Could be" in the first paragraph indicates that the cascading shifts mentioned were an example, and, given the subject of this thread, the apropos one.
There could be cascading shifts in a number of directions, but constraining the studies has left many such options off the table, leaving the system much worse off than it otherwise could be.
Anonymous
12/22/2025 01:36
Subject: Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What will happen is that Wootton parents will reject option H. The county does not have the money to renovate Wootton. Wootton will eventually become too unsafe. Wootton kids will then be split up, separated from their friends, and sent on long commutes to different high schools around the county.
Wootton parents are completely screwing their own kids with their lack of realism on limited money and their magical belief that Wootton HS will ever be renovated.
As a parent in the Wootton cluster-I actually would prefer this than the current choices. I imagine if what you are saying does happen-the schools the different neighborhoods would be sent to would have to make sense geographically. For us as a whole to go to Crown does not.
Are you cold spring? I feel like cold spring is the furthest from crown though also far from Wootton. I would think Cold Spring closing and moving the CES to a different Wootton cluster elementary school and then move the local Cold Spring kids to Beverly Farms and the pocket of Beverly Farms near Cold Spring on the north side of Falls Rd to Wayside. Then all would go to Churchill with some plan for how to handle the middle school splits. Problem is Churchill is only going to get close to 100% utilized with no changes. I’d think a small addition at Churchill to bring its capacity up to 2100-2200 would be wise and further prevent Crown under an option H from getting overcrowded down the road. Also down the road QO definitely needs to be renovated and when that’s done its capacity should increase to 2000-2200 which could allow some overflow absorption. Both of these small additional costs would be a fraction of the Wootton replacement which isn’t needed now.
Of course Crown being built was a mistake but that’s with hindsight being 20-20. At the time it was clearly more justifiable, though I’d have argued at the time that money would be better spent renovating and making larger QO and Wootton, and then doing an addition at Churchill and RM.
This points out the MCPS folly in separating the Crown and Woodward studies. There's no need for Churchill to be overcrowded if there could be cascading shifts towards Whitman and WJ, and the same cascades from those areas & Woodward north.
From the beginning, it should have been all schools at all levels, and that should be done with some regularity. The shifts would not be nearly as dramatic, overcrowding would be a rare outlier, more easily countered with one-off operational considerations, and the system could more effectively and cheaply address CIP needs, from renovation/rebuild to expansion/contraction.
So, you are going to ignore the dcc schools being overcrowded?
Anonymous
12/22/2025 01:33
Subject: Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?
Anonymous wrote:Yes combine the lowest performing high school in the district with one of the highest performing ones. What could possibly go wrong????!!!
It becomes a middle of the road high school?
Smart kids will probably be successful wherever they go.
Anonymous
12/21/2025 20:18
Subject: Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What will happen is that Wootton parents will reject option H. The county does not have the money to renovate Wootton. Wootton will eventually become too unsafe. Wootton kids will then be split up, separated from their friends, and sent on long commutes to different high schools around the county.
Wootton parents are completely screwing their own kids with their lack of realism on limited money and their magical belief that Wootton HS will ever be renovated.
As a parent in the Wootton cluster-I actually would prefer this than the current choices. I imagine if what you are saying does happen-the schools the different neighborhoods would be sent to would have to make sense geographically. For us as a whole to go to Crown does not.
Are you cold spring? I feel like cold spring is the furthest from crown though also far from Wootton. I would think Cold Spring closing and moving the CES to a different Wootton cluster elementary school and then move the local Cold Spring kids to Beverly Farms and the pocket of Beverly Farms near Cold Spring on the north side of Falls Rd to Wayside. Then all would go to Churchill with some plan for how to handle the middle school splits. Problem is Churchill is only going to get close to 100% utilized with no changes. I’d think a small addition at Churchill to bring its capacity up to 2100-2200 would be wise and further prevent Crown under an option H from getting overcrowded down the road. Also down the road QO definitely needs to be renovated and when that’s done its capacity should increase to 2000-2200 which could allow some overflow absorption. Both of these small additional costs would be a fraction of the Wootton replacement which isn’t needed now.
Of course Crown being built was a mistake but that’s with hindsight being 20-20. At the time it was clearly more justifiable, though I’d have argued at the time that money would be better spent renovating and making larger QO and Wootton, and then doing an addition at Churchill and RM.
This points out the MCPS folly in separating the Crown and Woodward studies. There's no need for Churchill to be overcrowded if there could be cascading shifts towards Whitman and WJ, and the same cascades from those areas & Woodward north.
From the beginning, it should have been all schools at all levels, and that should be done with some regularity. The shifts would not be nearly as dramatic, overcrowding would be a rare outlier, more easily countered with one-off operational considerations, and the system could more effectively and cheaply address CIP needs, from renovation/rebuild to expansion/contraction.
Anonymous
12/21/2025 20:08
Subject: Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What will happen is that Wootton parents will reject option H. The county does not have the money to renovate Wootton. Wootton will eventually become too unsafe. Wootton kids will then be split up, separated from their friends, and sent on long commutes to different high schools around the county.
Wootton parents are completely screwing their own kids with their lack of realism on limited money and their magical belief that Wootton HS will ever be renovated.
As a parent in the Wootton cluster-I actually would prefer this than the current choices. I imagine if what you are saying does happen-the schools the different neighborhoods would be sent to would have to make sense geographically. For us as a whole to go to Crown does not.
They don’t have to make sense geographically. If Wootton had a major issue that makes it unsafe to send kids there - it will be unplanned and chaotic The priority will be space to accommodate new kids, not geography, and Kids will be split up and sent to whatever school has space. It’ll likely happen in the middle of the school year and kids will be separated from teachers and assignments that they’re working on and need to learn new ones. In high school this will impact their ability to apply to colleges, take SATs, etc
The idea of not taking a brand new school right now and avoiding the inevitable future chaos seems insane to me.
Chaos is by no means inevitable. As a PP mentioned, MCPS can find the money to remediate Wootton (not renovate) without much trouble. There are various buckets of money from which it could draw the funds, and it could even push out certain improvements on the CIP by a year or two. What MCPS is trying to do is fix its mistake in building Crown, and it's getting significant push back from Wootton parents who don't want a new school at the expense of moving locations to a more congested, high-traffic, non-walkable building. It doesn't help that MCPS has tried to screw over Wootton parents numerous times through questionable boundary studies that made no sense - but cost MCPS $10+ million over the years - money that could have been spent remediating Wootton.
Just to clarify, Crown is non-walkable to most, if not all, of the current Wootton walk zone. It is walkable from some of the current Wootton catchment, and would be walkable to an equivalently large number, if not a greater number, of students, overall, though many of those would not be in the current Wootton catchment.
Anonymous
12/21/2025 20:07
Subject: Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What will happen is that Wootton parents will reject option H. The county does not have the money to renovate Wootton. Wootton will eventually become too unsafe. Wootton kids will then be split up, separated from their friends, and sent on long commutes to different high schools around the county.
Wootton parents are completely screwing their own kids with their lack of realism on limited money and their magical belief that Wootton HS will ever be renovated.
As a parent in the Wootton cluster-I actually would prefer this than the current choices. I imagine if what you are saying does happen-the schools the different neighborhoods would be sent to would have to make sense geographically. For us as a whole to go to Crown does not.
They don’t have to make sense geographically. If Wootton had a major issue that makes it unsafe to send kids there - it will be unplanned and chaotic The priority will be space to accommodate new kids, not geography, and Kids will be split up and sent to whatever school has space. It’ll likely happen in the middle of the school year and kids will be separated from teachers and assignments that they’re working on and need to learn new ones. In high school this will impact their ability to apply to colleges, take SATs, etc
The idea of not taking a brand new school right now and avoiding the inevitable future chaos seems insane to me.
Chaos is by no means inevitable. As a PP mentioned, MCPS can find the money to remediate Wootton (not renovate) without much trouble. There are various buckets of money from which it could draw the funds, and it could even push out certain improvements on the CIP by a year or two. What MCPS is trying to do is fix its mistake in building Crown, and it's getting significant push back from Wootton parents who don't want a new school at the expense of moving locations to a more congested, high-traffic, non-walkable building. It doesn't help that MCPS has tried to screw over Wootton parents numerous times through questionable boundary studies that made no sense - but cost MCPS $10+ million over the years - money that could have been spent remediating Wootton.
Where would they get the money from? You aren't even talking a few million, it would be even more than 10 million. There are schools far worse off. Wootton asked for a solution and got one.
Anonymous
12/21/2025 19:10
Subject: Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What will happen is that Wootton parents will reject option H. The county does not have the money to renovate Wootton. Wootton will eventually become too unsafe. Wootton kids will then be split up, separated from their friends, and sent on long commutes to different high schools around the county.
Wootton parents are completely screwing their own kids with their lack of realism on limited money and their magical belief that Wootton HS will ever be renovated.
As a parent in the Wootton cluster-I actually would prefer this than the current choices. I imagine if what you are saying does happen-the schools the different neighborhoods would be sent to would have to make sense geographically. For us as a whole to go to Crown does not.
They don’t have to make sense geographically. If Wootton had a major issue that makes it unsafe to send kids there - it will be unplanned and chaotic The priority will be space to accommodate new kids, not geography, and Kids will be split up and sent to whatever school has space. It’ll likely happen in the middle of the school year and kids will be separated from teachers and assignments that they’re working on and need to learn new ones. In high school this will impact their ability to apply to colleges, take SATs, etc
The idea of not taking a brand new school right now and avoiding the inevitable future chaos seems insane to me.
Chaos is by no means inevitable. As a PP mentioned, MCPS can find the money to remediate Wootton (not renovate) without much trouble. There are various buckets of money from which it could draw the funds, and it could even push out certain improvements on the CIP by a year or two. What MCPS is trying to do is fix its mistake in building Crown, and it's getting significant push back from Wootton parents who don't want a new school at the expense of moving locations to a more congested, high-traffic, non-walkable building. It doesn't help that MCPS has tried to screw over Wootton parents numerous times through questionable boundary studies that made no sense - but cost MCPS $10+ million over the years - money that could have been spent remediating Wootton.
Anonymous
12/21/2025 18:44
Subject: Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What will happen is that Wootton parents will reject option H. The county does not have the money to renovate Wootton. Wootton will eventually become too unsafe. Wootton kids will then be split up, separated from their friends, and sent on long commutes to different high schools around the county.
Wootton parents are completely screwing their own kids with their lack of realism on limited money and their magical belief that Wootton HS will ever be renovated.
As a parent in the Wootton cluster-I actually would prefer this than the current choices. I imagine if what you are saying does happen-the schools the different neighborhoods would be sent to would have to make sense geographically. For us as a whole to go to Crown does not.
They don’t have to make sense geographically. If Wootton had a major issue that makes it unsafe to send kids there - it will be unplanned and chaotic The priority will be space to accommodate new kids, not geography, and Kids will be split up and sent to whatever school has space. It’ll likely happen in the middle of the school year and kids will be separated from teachers and assignments that they’re working on and need to learn new ones. In high school this will impact their ability to apply to colleges, take SATs, etc
The idea of not taking a brand new school right now and avoiding the inevitable future chaos seems insane to me.
How would it be unsafe or impact their ability to apply for college or SAT. Your post makes zero sense. They wouldn't switch the middle of the school year. You are making up non-sense. Do you even get how the SAT works?
Anonymous
12/21/2025 17:05
Subject: Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What will happen is that Wootton parents will reject option H. The county does not have the money to renovate Wootton. Wootton will eventually become too unsafe. Wootton kids will then be split up, separated from their friends, and sent on long commutes to different high schools around the county.
Wootton parents are completely screwing their own kids with their lack of realism on limited money and their magical belief that Wootton HS will ever be renovated.
As a parent in the Wootton cluster-I actually would prefer this than the current choices. I imagine if what you are saying does happen-the schools the different neighborhoods would be sent to would have to make sense geographically. For us as a whole to go to Crown does not.
Are you cold spring? I feel like cold spring is the furthest from crown though also far from Wootton. I would think Cold Spring closing and moving the CES to a different Wootton cluster elementary school and then move the local Cold Spring kids to Beverly Farms and the pocket of Beverly Farms near Cold Spring on the north side of Falls Rd to Wayside. Then all would go to Churchill with some plan for how to handle the middle school splits. Problem is Churchill is only going to get close to 100% utilized with no changes. I’d think a small addition at Churchill to bring its capacity up to 2100-2200 would be wise and further prevent Crown under an option H from getting overcrowded down the road. Also down the road QO definitely needs to be renovated and when that’s done its capacity should increase to 2000-2200 which could allow some overflow absorption. Both of these small additional costs would be a fraction of the Wootton replacement which isn’t needed now.
Of course Crown being built was a mistake but that’s with hindsight being 20-20. At the time it was clearly more justifiable, though I’d have argued at the time that money would be better spent renovating and making larger QO and Wootton, and then doing an addition at Churchill and RM.
Anonymous
12/21/2025 16:50
Subject: Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?
Anonymous wrote:What will happen is that Wootton parents will reject option H. The county does not have the money to renovate Wootton. Wootton will eventually become too unsafe. Wootton kids will then be split up, separated from their friends, and sent on long commutes to different high schools around the county.
Wootton parents are completely screwing their own kids with their lack of realism on limited money and their magical belief that Wootton HS will ever be renovated.
100%. Now that they’ve considered this option I’d say there is pretty low chance of crown being a holding school, so would think Wootton is just split now as it was in other options or as you described.
Anonymous
12/21/2025 14:18
Subject: Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What will happen is that Wootton parents will reject option H. The county does not have the money to renovate Wootton. Wootton will eventually become too unsafe. Wootton kids will then be split up, separated from their friends, and sent on long commutes to different high schools around the county.
Wootton parents are completely screwing their own kids with their lack of realism on limited money and their magical belief that Wootton HS will ever be renovated.
As a parent in the Wootton cluster-I actually would prefer this than the current choices. I imagine if what you are saying does happen-the schools the different neighborhoods would be sent to would have to make sense geographically. For us as a whole to go to Crown does not.
They don’t have to make sense geographically. If Wootton had a major issue that makes it unsafe to send kids there - it will be unplanned and chaotic The priority will be space to accommodate new kids, not geography, and Kids will be split up and sent to whatever school has space. It’ll likely happen in the middle of the school year and kids will be separated from teachers and assignments that they’re working on and need to learn new ones. In high school this will impact their ability to apply to colleges, take SATs, etc
The idea of not taking a brand new school right now and avoiding the inevitable future chaos seems insane to me.
BS. Kids in HS move all the time out of state/county in the middle of the year. It doesn’t affect their ability to take the SATS or apply to college. Don’t be stupid. Realistically if that highly unlikely situation with the school had to happen and be emergency closed and kids sent to other schools-the more likely thing is that those kids would have an easier time academically until things got fully situated because they can’t penalize the kids for their own inadequate ability to keep schools up to code.
Anonymous
12/21/2025 13:50
Subject: Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What will happen is that Wootton parents will reject option H. The county does not have the money to renovate Wootton. Wootton will eventually become too unsafe. Wootton kids will then be split up, separated from their friends, and sent on long commutes to different high schools around the county.
Wootton parents are completely screwing their own kids with their lack of realism on limited money and their magical belief that Wootton HS will ever be renovated.
As a parent in the Wootton cluster-I actually would prefer this than the current choices. I imagine if what you are saying does happen-the schools the different neighborhoods would be sent to would have to make sense geographically. For us as a whole to go to Crown does not.
Refusal to move Wootton to Crown will force MCPS to push another school out by a year or two on the CIP. That's what happened to Wootton (twice), so that seems to be an option, albeit one that MCPS doesn't want to consider because it wouldn't advance its equity goals (which had been attempted through previously rejected boundary changes over the years).
Anonymous
12/21/2025 13:02
Subject: Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What will happen is that Wootton parents will reject option H. The county does not have the money to renovate Wootton. Wootton will eventually become too unsafe. Wootton kids will then be split up, separated from their friends, and sent on long commutes to different high schools around the county.
Wootton parents are completely screwing their own kids with their lack of realism on limited money and their magical belief that Wootton HS will ever be renovated.
As a parent in the Wootton cluster-I actually would prefer this than the current choices. I imagine if what you are saying does happen-the schools the different neighborhoods would be sent to would have to make sense geographically. For us as a whole to go to Crown does not.
They don’t have to make sense geographically. If Wootton had a major issue that makes it unsafe to send kids there - it will be unplanned and chaotic The priority will be space to accommodate new kids, not geography, and Kids will be split up and sent to whatever school has space. It’ll likely happen in the middle of the school year and kids will be separated from teachers and assignments that they’re working on and need to learn new ones. In high school this will impact their ability to apply to colleges, take SATs, etc
The idea of not taking a brand new school right now and avoiding the inevitable future chaos seems insane to me.
Anonymous
12/21/2025 12:53
Subject: Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?
Anonymous wrote:What will happen is that Wootton parents will reject option H. The county does not have the money to renovate Wootton. Wootton will eventually become too unsafe. Wootton kids will then be split up, separated from their friends, and sent on long commutes to different high schools around the county.
Wootton parents are completely screwing their own kids with their lack of realism on limited money and their magical belief that Wootton HS will ever be renovated.
Isn’t that the same for Magruder and Sherwood or even QO? It’s shame on MCPS and don’t blame Wootton parents for that.
Anonymous
12/21/2025 12:46
Subject: Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What will happen is that Wootton parents will reject option H. The county does not have the money to renovate Wootton. Wootton will eventually become too unsafe. Wootton kids will then be split up, separated from their friends, and sent on long commutes to different high schools around the county.
Wootton parents are completely screwing their own kids with their lack of realism on limited money and their magical belief that Wootton HS will ever be renovated.
As a parent in the Wootton cluster-I actually would prefer this than the current choices. I imagine if what you are saying does happen-the schools the different neighborhoods would be sent to would have to make sense geographically. For us as a whole to go to Crown does not.
To add to this-many of the wootton students already don’t go to elementary and middle school together so this isn’t that much of a stretch.