IFYKYK. Look at these clubs historically. How many kids do they allow to play up? It will be about the same next year.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You said there were 90 and tried to make it sound like all these kids came out. There werent 90 and many of the ones who came out were there so you could start going on forums and tell people all these kids came out. However, about a 1/3 to 2/5 werent even eligible.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This person doesn’t know what they are talking about. The numbers are incorrect and there were about 20 ineligible kids there who were moved to the side. So yes, 21 kids on the main field for two teams.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:-Consider them filled. That's why 90 kids were at the 1st iD session and they were looking at 21 kids at the 1st team scrimmage. Slots are more than filled.Anonymous wrote:The SYC 2014 roster has room to grow; their roster is on the smaller side, so could add almost 5 kids.
Are we taking about both the U13 GA and Aspire teams for 26/27?
No, I do know what I'm talking about. They looked at 21 kids for GA and about 30 kids for GA Aspire and the others (about 30) were either 2015s and determined to be at a lower level and moved to the side. -Just saying there were a lot of kids out there. Thems the facts.
Yes 90. Thats how many kids registered and checked in. Only about 15 were 2015s and many were amazing players who could easily play up 1 year. They are all eligible, but there were lots of outside kids who were very good and would displace them and current players as well. And yes 1st round GA and Aspire offers were sent out.
What about the 2014 GA team? Is the roster already full, and how many SYC players will be on it?
This is question. How many SYC 2014s are moving up to U13? How many 2014s are staying at U13?
Likewise for MYS, and any other clubs? I'm sure this info is out there somewhere..?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You said there were 90 and tried to make it sound like all these kids came out. There werent 90 and many of the ones who came out were there so you could start going on forums and tell people all these kids came out. However, about a 1/3 to 2/5 werent even eligible.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This person doesn’t know what they are talking about. The numbers are incorrect and there were about 20 ineligible kids there who were moved to the side. So yes, 21 kids on the main field for two teams.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:-Consider them filled. That's why 90 kids were at the 1st iD session and they were looking at 21 kids at the 1st team scrimmage. Slots are more than filled.Anonymous wrote:The SYC 2014 roster has room to grow; their roster is on the smaller side, so could add almost 5 kids.
Are we taking about both the U13 GA and Aspire teams for 26/27?
No, I do know what I'm talking about. They looked at 21 kids for GA and about 30 kids for GA Aspire and the others (about 30) were either 2015s and determined to be at a lower level and moved to the side. -Just saying there were a lot of kids out there. Thems the facts.
Yes 90. Thats how many kids registered and checked in. Only about 15 were 2015s and many were amazing players who could easily play up 1 year. They are all eligible, but there were lots of outside kids who were very good and would displace them and current players as well. And yes 1st round GA and Aspire offers were sent out.
What about the 2014 GA team? Is the roster already full, and how many SYC players will be on it?
This is question. How many SYC 2014s are moving up to U13? How many 2014s are staying at U13?
Likewise for MYS, and any other clubs? I'm sure this info is out there somewhere..?
Sorry.. I mean how many 2013s are staying U13..
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You said there were 90 and tried to make it sound like all these kids came out. There werent 90 and many of the ones who came out were there so you could start going on forums and tell people all these kids came out. However, about a 1/3 to 2/5 werent even eligible.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This person doesn’t know what they are talking about. The numbers are incorrect and there were about 20 ineligible kids there who were moved to the side. So yes, 21 kids on the main field for two teams.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:-Consider them filled. That's why 90 kids were at the 1st iD session and they were looking at 21 kids at the 1st team scrimmage. Slots are more than filled.Anonymous wrote:The SYC 2014 roster has room to grow; their roster is on the smaller side, so could add almost 5 kids.
Are we taking about both the U13 GA and Aspire teams for 26/27?
No, I do know what I'm talking about. They looked at 21 kids for GA and about 30 kids for GA Aspire and the others (about 30) were either 2015s and determined to be at a lower level and moved to the side. -Just saying there were a lot of kids out there. Thems the facts.
Yes 90. Thats how many kids registered and checked in. Only about 15 were 2015s and many were amazing players who could easily play up 1 year. They are all eligible, but there were lots of outside kids who were very good and would displace them and current players as well. And yes 1st round GA and Aspire offers were sent out.
What about the 2014 GA team? Is the roster already full, and how many SYC players will be on it?
This is question. How many SYC 2014s are moving up to U13? How many 2014s are staying at U13?
Likewise for MYS, and any other clubs? I'm sure this info is out there somewhere..?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You said there were 90 and tried to make it sound like all these kids came out. There werent 90 and many of the ones who came out were there so you could start going on forums and tell people all these kids came out. However, about a 1/3 to 2/5 werent even eligible.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This person doesn’t know what they are talking about. The numbers are incorrect and there were about 20 ineligible kids there who were moved to the side. So yes, 21 kids on the main field for two teams.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:-Consider them filled. That's why 90 kids were at the 1st iD session and they were looking at 21 kids at the 1st team scrimmage. Slots are more than filled.Anonymous wrote:The SYC 2014 roster has room to grow; their roster is on the smaller side, so could add almost 5 kids.
Are we taking about both the U13 GA and Aspire teams for 26/27?
No, I do know what I'm talking about. They looked at 21 kids for GA and about 30 kids for GA Aspire and the others (about 30) were either 2015s and determined to be at a lower level and moved to the side. -Just saying there were a lot of kids out there. Thems the facts.
Yes 90. Thats how many kids registered and checked in. Only about 15 were 2015s and many were amazing players who could easily play up 1 year. They are all eligible, but there were lots of outside kids who were very good and would displace them and current players as well. And yes 1st round GA and Aspire offers were sent out.
What about the 2014 GA team? Is the roster already full, and how many SYC players will be on it?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You said there were 90 and tried to make it sound like all these kids came out. There werent 90 and many of the ones who came out were there so you could start going on forums and tell people all these kids came out. However, about a 1/3 to 2/5 werent even eligible.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This person doesn’t know what they are talking about. The numbers are incorrect and there were about 20 ineligible kids there who were moved to the side. So yes, 21 kids on the main field for two teams.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:-Consider them filled. That's why 90 kids were at the 1st iD session and they were looking at 21 kids at the 1st team scrimmage. Slots are more than filled.Anonymous wrote:The SYC 2014 roster has room to grow; their roster is on the smaller side, so could add almost 5 kids.
Are we taking about both the U13 GA and Aspire teams for 26/27?
No, I do know what I'm talking about. They looked at 21 kids for GA and about 30 kids for GA Aspire and the others (about 30) were either 2015s and determined to be at a lower level and moved to the side. -Just saying there were a lot of kids out there. Thems the facts.
Yes 90. Thats how many kids registered and checked in. Only about 15 were 2015s and many were amazing players who could easily play up 1 year. They are all eligible, but there were lots of outside kids who were very good and would displace them and current players as well. And yes 1st round GA and Aspire offers were sent out.
Curious, which field was considered the top field? The bigger field where all the keepers were?
What about the 2014 GA team? Is the roster already full, and how many SYC players will be on it?
I bet they already sent 7 offers, a few girls were moved to the 2015s at the last id session. Not all that moved over were on the current top 2014 team, but there were a lot of new kids on that top field.
Just curious, which field was the top field? The larger space were the keepers were?
The field all the way to the right. It was the only group playing full field compared to all the other groups that were playing on a half space
Yeah, that's the one I'm thinking of. I feel like there were a lot of new kids there, no?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You said there were 90 and tried to make it sound like all these kids came out. There werent 90 and many of the ones who came out were there so you could start going on forums and tell people all these kids came out. However, about a 1/3 to 2/5 werent even eligible.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This person doesn’t know what they are talking about. The numbers are incorrect and there were about 20 ineligible kids there who were moved to the side. So yes, 21 kids on the main field for two teams.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:-Consider them filled. That's why 90 kids were at the 1st iD session and they were looking at 21 kids at the 1st team scrimmage. Slots are more than filled.Anonymous wrote:The SYC 2014 roster has room to grow; their roster is on the smaller side, so could add almost 5 kids.
Are we taking about both the U13 GA and Aspire teams for 26/27?
No, I do know what I'm talking about. They looked at 21 kids for GA and about 30 kids for GA Aspire and the others (about 30) were either 2015s and determined to be at a lower level and moved to the side. -Just saying there were a lot of kids out there. Thems the facts.
Yes 90. Thats how many kids registered and checked in. Only about 15 were 2015s and many were amazing players who could easily play up 1 year. They are all eligible, but there were lots of outside kids who were very good and would displace them and current players as well. And yes 1st round GA and Aspire offers were sent out.
Curious, which field was considered the top field? The bigger field where all the keepers were?
What about the 2014 GA team? Is the roster already full, and how many SYC players will be on it?
I bet they already sent 7 offers, a few girls were moved to the 2015s at the last id session. Not all that moved over were on the current top 2014 team, but there were a lot of new kids on that top field.
Just curious, which field was the top field? The larger space were the keepers were?
The field all the way to the right. It was the only group playing full field compared to all the other groups that were playing on a half space
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You said there were 90 and tried to make it sound like all these kids came out. There werent 90 and many of the ones who came out were there so you could start going on forums and tell people all these kids came out. However, about a 1/3 to 2/5 werent even eligible.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This person doesn’t know what they are talking about. The numbers are incorrect and there were about 20 ineligible kids there who were moved to the side. So yes, 21 kids on the main field for two teams.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:-Consider them filled. That's why 90 kids were at the 1st iD session and they were looking at 21 kids at the 1st team scrimmage. Slots are more than filled.Anonymous wrote:The SYC 2014 roster has room to grow; their roster is on the smaller side, so could add almost 5 kids.
Are we taking about both the U13 GA and Aspire teams for 26/27?
No, I do know what I'm talking about. They looked at 21 kids for GA and about 30 kids for GA Aspire and the others (about 30) were either 2015s and determined to be at a lower level and moved to the side. -Just saying there were a lot of kids out there. Thems the facts.
Yes 90. Thats how many kids registered and checked in. Only about 15 were 2015s and many were amazing players who could easily play up 1 year. They are all eligible, but there were lots of outside kids who were very good and would displace them and current players as well. And yes 1st round GA and Aspire offers were sent out.
Curious, which field was considered the top field? The bigger field where all the keepers were?
What about the 2014 GA team? Is the roster already full, and how many SYC players will be on it?
I bet they already sent 7 offers, a few girls were moved to the 2015s at the last id session. Not all that moved over were on the current top 2014 team, but there were a lot of new kids on that top field.
Just curious, which field was the top field? The larger space were the keepers were?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You said there were 90 and tried to make it sound like all these kids came out. There werent 90 and many of the ones who came out were there so you could start going on forums and tell people all these kids came out. However, about a 1/3 to 2/5 werent even eligible.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This person doesn’t know what they are talking about. The numbers are incorrect and there were about 20 ineligible kids there who were moved to the side. So yes, 21 kids on the main field for two teams.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:-Consider them filled. That's why 90 kids were at the 1st iD session and they were looking at 21 kids at the 1st team scrimmage. Slots are more than filled.Anonymous wrote:The SYC 2014 roster has room to grow; their roster is on the smaller side, so could add almost 5 kids.
Are we taking about both the U13 GA and Aspire teams for 26/27?
No, I do know what I'm talking about. They looked at 21 kids for GA and about 30 kids for GA Aspire and the others (about 30) were either 2015s and determined to be at a lower level and moved to the side. -Just saying there were a lot of kids out there. Thems the facts.
Yes 90. Thats how many kids registered and checked in. Only about 15 were 2015s and many were amazing players who could easily play up 1 year. They are all eligible, but there were lots of outside kids who were very good and would displace them and current players as well. And yes 1st round GA and Aspire offers were sent out.
Curious, which field was considered the top field? The bigger field where all the keepers were?
What about the 2014 GA team? Is the roster already full, and how many SYC players will be on it?
I bet they already sent 7 offers, a few girls were moved to the 2015s at the last id session. Not all that moved over were on the current top 2014 team, but there were a lot of new kids on that top field.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You said there were 90 and tried to make it sound like all these kids came out. There werent 90 and many of the ones who came out were there so you could start going on forums and tell people all these kids came out. However, about a 1/3 to 2/5 werent even eligible.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This person doesn’t know what they are talking about. The numbers are incorrect and there were about 20 ineligible kids there who were moved to the side. So yes, 21 kids on the main field for two teams.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:-Consider them filled. That's why 90 kids were at the 1st iD session and they were looking at 21 kids at the 1st team scrimmage. Slots are more than filled.Anonymous wrote:The SYC 2014 roster has room to grow; their roster is on the smaller side, so could add almost 5 kids.
Are we taking about both the U13 GA and Aspire teams for 26/27?
No, I do know what I'm talking about. They looked at 21 kids for GA and about 30 kids for GA Aspire and the others (about 30) were either 2015s and determined to be at a lower level and moved to the side. -Just saying there were a lot of kids out there. Thems the facts.
Yes 90. Thats how many kids registered and checked in. Only about 15 were 2015s and many were amazing players who could easily play up 1 year. They are all eligible, but there were lots of outside kids who were very good and would displace them and current players as well. And yes 1st round GA and Aspire offers were sent out.
Curious, which field was considered the top field? The bigger field where all the keepers were?
What about the 2014 GA team? Is the roster already full, and how many SYC players will be on it?
I bet they already sent 7 offers, a few girls were moved to the 2015s at the last id session. Not all that moved over were on the current top 2014 team, but there were a lot of new kids on that top field.
I could care less whether they were or were not there regardless of my kid. Just sharing information because that’s what we do hereAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My understanding is that some of the new kids are 2013 Q4s. Ill be curious if some of the outsiders were really considering SYC vs just checking it out. 2 of the "7" werent at the first tryout.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You said there were 90 and tried to make it sound like all these kids came out. There werent 90 and many of the ones who came out were there so you could start going on forums and tell people all these kids came out. However, about a 1/3 to 2/5 werent even eligible.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This person doesn’t know what they are talking about. The numbers are incorrect and there were about 20 ineligible kids there who were moved to the side. So yes, 21 kids on the main field for two teams.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:-Consider them filled. That's why 90 kids were at the 1st iD session and they were looking at 21 kids at the 1st team scrimmage. Slots are more than filled.Anonymous wrote:The SYC 2014 roster has room to grow; their roster is on the smaller side, so could add almost 5 kids.
Are we taking about both the U13 GA and Aspire teams for 26/27?
No, I do know what I'm talking about. They looked at 21 kids for GA and about 30 kids for GA Aspire and the others (about 30) were either 2015s and determined to be at a lower level and moved to the side. -Just saying there were a lot of kids out there. Thems the facts.
Yes 90. Thats how many kids registered and checked in. Only about 15 were 2015s and many were amazing players who could easily play up 1 year. They are all eligible, but there were lots of outside kids who were very good and would displace them and current players as well. And yes 1st round GA and Aspire offers were sent out.
What about the 2014 GA team? Is the roster already full, and how many SYC players will be on it?
I bet they already sent 7 offers, a few girls were moved to the 2015s at the last id session. Not all that moved over were on the current top 2014 team, but there were a lot of new kids on that top field.
You are correct.
For the two previous posters, assuming you are not one of the “7”, are you glad they weren’t there bc it opens up a spot, concerned bc maybe one of the “7” isn’t going to be there to carry the team you are hoping your player makes, or indifferent because you know your kid is going to make what ever team they deserve to make.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My understanding is that some of the new kids are 2013 Q4s. Ill be curious if some of the outsiders were really considering SYC vs just checking it out. 2 of the "7" werent at the first tryout.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You said there were 90 and tried to make it sound like all these kids came out. There werent 90 and many of the ones who came out were there so you could start going on forums and tell people all these kids came out. However, about a 1/3 to 2/5 werent even eligible.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This person doesn’t know what they are talking about. The numbers are incorrect and there were about 20 ineligible kids there who were moved to the side. So yes, 21 kids on the main field for two teams.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:-Consider them filled. That's why 90 kids were at the 1st iD session and they were looking at 21 kids at the 1st team scrimmage. Slots are more than filled.Anonymous wrote:The SYC 2014 roster has room to grow; their roster is on the smaller side, so could add almost 5 kids.
Are we taking about both the U13 GA and Aspire teams for 26/27?
No, I do know what I'm talking about. They looked at 21 kids for GA and about 30 kids for GA Aspire and the others (about 30) were either 2015s and determined to be at a lower level and moved to the side. -Just saying there were a lot of kids out there. Thems the facts.
Yes 90. Thats how many kids registered and checked in. Only about 15 were 2015s and many were amazing players who could easily play up 1 year. They are all eligible, but there were lots of outside kids who were very good and would displace them and current players as well. And yes 1st round GA and Aspire offers were sent out.
What about the 2014 GA team? Is the roster already full, and how many SYC players will be on it?
I bet they already sent 7 offers, a few girls were moved to the 2015s at the last id session. Not all that moved over were on the current top 2014 team, but there were a lot of new kids on that top field.
You are correct.
Anonymous wrote:My understanding is that some of the new kids are 2013 Q4s. Ill be curious if some of the outsiders were really considering SYC vs just checking it out. 2 of the "7" werent at the first tryout.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You said there were 90 and tried to make it sound like all these kids came out. There werent 90 and many of the ones who came out were there so you could start going on forums and tell people all these kids came out. However, about a 1/3 to 2/5 werent even eligible.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This person doesn’t know what they are talking about. The numbers are incorrect and there were about 20 ineligible kids there who were moved to the side. So yes, 21 kids on the main field for two teams.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:-Consider them filled. That's why 90 kids were at the 1st iD session and they were looking at 21 kids at the 1st team scrimmage. Slots are more than filled.Anonymous wrote:The SYC 2014 roster has room to grow; their roster is on the smaller side, so could add almost 5 kids.
Are we taking about both the U13 GA and Aspire teams for 26/27?
No, I do know what I'm talking about. They looked at 21 kids for GA and about 30 kids for GA Aspire and the others (about 30) were either 2015s and determined to be at a lower level and moved to the side. -Just saying there were a lot of kids out there. Thems the facts.
Yes 90. Thats how many kids registered and checked in. Only about 15 were 2015s and many were amazing players who could easily play up 1 year. They are all eligible, but there were lots of outside kids who were very good and would displace them and current players as well. And yes 1st round GA and Aspire offers were sent out.
What about the 2014 GA team? Is the roster already full, and how many SYC players will be on it?
I bet they already sent 7 offers, a few girls were moved to the 2015s at the last id session. Not all that moved over were on the current top 2014 team, but there were a lot of new kids on that top field.
My understanding is that some of the new kids are 2013 Q4s. Ill be curious if some of the outsiders were really considering SYC vs just checking it out. 2 of the "7" werent at the first tryout.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You said there were 90 and tried to make it sound like all these kids came out. There werent 90 and many of the ones who came out were there so you could start going on forums and tell people all these kids came out. However, about a 1/3 to 2/5 werent even eligible.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This person doesn’t know what they are talking about. The numbers are incorrect and there were about 20 ineligible kids there who were moved to the side. So yes, 21 kids on the main field for two teams.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:-Consider them filled. That's why 90 kids were at the 1st iD session and they were looking at 21 kids at the 1st team scrimmage. Slots are more than filled.Anonymous wrote:The SYC 2014 roster has room to grow; their roster is on the smaller side, so could add almost 5 kids.
Are we taking about both the U13 GA and Aspire teams for 26/27?
No, I do know what I'm talking about. They looked at 21 kids for GA and about 30 kids for GA Aspire and the others (about 30) were either 2015s and determined to be at a lower level and moved to the side. -Just saying there were a lot of kids out there. Thems the facts.
Yes 90. Thats how many kids registered and checked in. Only about 15 were 2015s and many were amazing players who could easily play up 1 year. They are all eligible, but there were lots of outside kids who were very good and would displace them and current players as well. And yes 1st round GA and Aspire offers were sent out.
What about the 2014 GA team? Is the roster already full, and how many SYC players will be on it?
I bet they already sent 7 offers, a few girls were moved to the 2015s at the last id session. Not all that moved over were on the current top 2014 team, but there were a lot of new kids on that top field.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You said there were 90 and tried to make it sound like all these kids came out. There werent 90 and many of the ones who came out were there so you could start going on forums and tell people all these kids came out. However, about a 1/3 to 2/5 werent even eligible.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This person doesn’t know what they are talking about. The numbers are incorrect and there were about 20 ineligible kids there who were moved to the side. So yes, 21 kids on the main field for two teams.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:-Consider them filled. That's why 90 kids were at the 1st iD session and they were looking at 21 kids at the 1st team scrimmage. Slots are more than filled.Anonymous wrote:The SYC 2014 roster has room to grow; their roster is on the smaller side, so could add almost 5 kids.
Are we taking about both the U13 GA and Aspire teams for 26/27?
No, I do know what I'm talking about. They looked at 21 kids for GA and about 30 kids for GA Aspire and the others (about 30) were either 2015s and determined to be at a lower level and moved to the side. -Just saying there were a lot of kids out there. Thems the facts.
Yes 90. Thats how many kids registered and checked in. Only about 15 were 2015s and many were amazing players who could easily play up 1 year. They are all eligible, but there were lots of outside kids who were very good and would displace them and current players as well. And yes 1st round GA and Aspire offers were sent out.
What about the 2014 GA team? Is the roster already full, and how many SYC players will be on it?
Anonymous wrote:Ha you dont have to be moved when you dont have to go to tryouts in the first place.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This person doesn’t know what they are talking about. The numbers are incorrect and there were about 20 ineligible kids there who were moved to the side. So yes, 21 kids on the main field for two teams.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:-Consider them filled. That's why 90 kids were at the 1st iD session and they were looking at 21 kids at the 1st team scrimmage. Slots are more than filled.Anonymous wrote:The SYC 2014 roster has room to grow; their roster is on the smaller side, so could add almost 5 kids.
Are we taking about both the U13 GA and Aspire teams for 26/27?
No, I do know what I'm talking about. They looked at 21 kids for GA and about 30 kids for GA Aspire and the others (about 30) were either 2015s and determined to be at a lower level and moved to the side. -Just saying there were a lot of kids out there. Thems the facts.
Wrong.
Right.
Nah, they were moving over 2014 Q4s, just not the precious one....or ones.