If you agreed are at work at 7am you will realize that a lot of people get in at 7. Even if I didn't have kids and need to see them, I would choose 7am. There is nothing quite as depressing as sitting in a windowless office all day and then leaving to go home in darkness.

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Anonymous wrote:Any more talk about paycuts or was that just untounf d rumor?

We likely won’t know for sure until the reorganization plans are fully released. That may happen when PA reaches the SEC, but I’m not certain. I don’t doubt that the poster from another IA heard what they did, especially if they work in their agency’s FO. However, I wouldn’t consider that information final or a done deal. Ultimately, I believe the outcome will depend on our SOs and interim or permanent leadership. I also don’t think the union will have any influence, as they seem to be viewed as powerless—especially given the new memo from OPM. [But this is my personal opinion.]

A decision of some sort will have to be made before Atkins arrives because last year’s raises would normally kick in in a couple of pay periods.

I assume they are running the numbers now that we have a budget and also probably looking at how fork/vera/visp impacts things.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to jump in on this ridiculously petty discussion but I think if you leave before 3 on your schedule then you can use lunch to shorten your day.

A good question for my supervisor and not strangers on the internet.

Who actually gets to work at 7am? Honestly that is a very disruptive schedule and the best case for not allowing the day to end even earlier. it’s kind of a joke that key staff are unavailable for meetings during normal business hours.

That sounds like a great schedule for work-life balance. Instead of criticizing people for it, maybe everyone should be encouraged to do it!

Sorry, getting up at 5am because you decided you had to live in the burbs and need to drive in and avoid traffic is not my idea of work life balance. My work life balance is the shortest commute possible and no need to work strange hours.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to jump in on this ridiculously petty discussion but I think if you leave before 3 on your schedule then you can use lunch to shorten your day.

A good question for my supervisor and not strangers on the internet.

Who actually gets to work at 7am? Honestly that is a very disruptive schedule and the best case for not allowing the day to end even earlier. it’s kind of a joke that key staff are unavailable for meetings during normal business hours.

Sorry normal business hours = core hours. Core hours are 10-2pm at my agency and most I've ever worked at.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to jump in on this ridiculously petty discussion but I think if you leave before 3 on your schedule then you can use lunch to shorten your day.

A good question for my supervisor and not strangers on the internet.

Who actually gets to work at 7am? Honestly that is a very disruptive schedule and the best case for not allowing the day to end even earlier. it’s kind of a joke that key staff are unavailable for meetings during normal business hours.

I'd say half of our parking lot is full at 7am. I get in at 6 and there are definitely 50 cars here before me (smaller building).

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to jump in on this ridiculously petty discussion but I think if you leave before 3 on your schedule then you can use lunch to shorten your day.

A good question for my supervisor and not strangers on the internet.

Who actually gets to work at 7am? Honestly that is a very disruptive schedule and the best case for not allowing the day to end even earlier. it’s kind of a joke that key staff are unavailable for meetings during normal business hours.

That sounds like a great schedule for work-life balance. Instead of criticizing people for it, maybe everyone should be encouraged to do it!

Anonymous wrote:Any more talk about paycuts or was that just untounf d rumor?

We likely won’t know for sure until the reorganization plans are fully released. That may happen when PA reaches the SEC, but I’m not certain. I don’t doubt that the poster from another IA heard what they did, especially if they work in their agency’s FO. However, I wouldn’t consider that information final or a done deal. Ultimately, I believe the outcome will depend on our SOs and interim or permanent leadership. I also don’t think the union will have any influence, as they seem to be viewed as powerless—especially given the new memo from OPM. [But this is my personal opinion.]

Any more talk about paycuts or was that just untounf d rumor?

I occasionally do meetings outside of the office (eg, over coffee 50 yards from the entrance). Is that ok, or is that considered telework? Or does every single meeting (even with 3rd parties) need to be inside the turnstiles?

How does “badge swipe monitoring” account for all that? Where are the “policies” that speak to it”?

Where are the policies that define when you’re “in the office” for purposes of your timecard and “approved schedule”?

HR has a lot of work to do to update their policies and FAQs! At least if they want to have a consistent, transparent, coherent, and defensible approach to all this craziness.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure that people on this board know the details.

My GUESS: the agency is targeting a specific headcount (probably 2019 levels). They probably have 8-12 months to get there, one way or another.

Note that project 2025 says nothing about big cuts to the agency.

Project 2025 also didn't dismantle USAID, yet here we are.

You obviously didn’t read it. They didn’t use the word “dismantle” but might as well have. In contrast, the small chapter on the SEC is boring and suggests minor reforms.

And suggests an expansion of the SEC by the elimination of the PCAOB and FINRA and folding them into the SEC.

Nothing will happen until Atkins is confirmed and we have no idea what he will do.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to jump in on this ridiculously petty discussion but I think if you leave before 3 on your schedule then you can use lunch to shorten your day.

A good question for my supervisor and not strangers on the internet.

Who actually gets to work at 7am? Honestly that is a very disruptive schedule and the best case for not allowing the day to end even earlier. it’s kind of a joke that key staff are unavailable for meetings during normal business hours.

You obviously weren’t in government pre-COVID. Tons and tons of people are in at 7am. Lighter traffic. I have a friend who does a 4/10 schedule and gets in at 6am. Not SEC but a government agency in DC.

I used to work 7-3:30 in the office, before Covid. I can’t imagine doing it now, but it was necessary back then so I could get home in time to get my kids where they needed to go.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to jump in on this ridiculously petty discussion but I think if you leave before 3 on your schedule then you can use lunch to shorten your day.

A good question for my supervisor and not strangers on the internet.

Who actually gets to work at 7am? Honestly that is a very disruptive schedule and the best case for not allowing the day to end even earlier. it’s kind of a joke that key staff are unavailable for meetings during normal business hours.

My schedule is 6 - 2. Then Lunch 2-230. Perfectly in compliance with every policy. But according to some in this thread, I’m going to be prosecuted for violating the CBA.

This is my schedule too. And yes it’s in compliance. Most efficient and productive schedule there is - no traffic.
Core hours are 10-2.
I can still join a 3 or 4 pm work meeting via zoom and earn credit hours but that just rarely happens. No one really likes a late afternoon work meeting

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to jump in on this ridiculously petty discussion but I think if you leave before 3 on your schedule then you can use lunch to shorten your day.

A good question for my supervisor and not strangers on the internet.

Who actually gets to work at 7am? Honestly that is a very disruptive schedule and the best case for not allowing the day to end even earlier. it’s kind of a joke that key staff are unavailable for meetings during normal business hours.

My schedule is 6 - 2. Then Lunch 2-230. Perfectly in compliance with every policy. But according to some in this thread, I’m going to be prosecuted for violating the CBA.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to jump in on this ridiculously petty discussion but I think if you leave before 3 on your schedule then you can use lunch to shorten your day.

A good question for my supervisor and not strangers on the internet.

If you are talking about the SEC, it explicitly says you can’t do this.

But no harm asking your supervisor, but on this issue s/he really doesn’t have the authority to give flexibility in the way they may have on other issues. If (and this is a big if), the agency decided to look at badge data and saw you always left after 8 hours, I doubt it would matter that your supervisor said it was ok.

It’ll be interesting to see the agency discipline someone for working 8 hours.

The discipline would be for violating the work schedule policy. Not sure why this is so hard for you to understand.