Anonymous
03/04/2025 08:27
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anyone here informed about “shedding”?
Viral shedding?
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0264410X16300895
"There is no documented evidence of measles vaccine virus transmission."
we may need this in capital letters for the nutjob that posted that prior comment.
While yes, scant attenuated measles virus can be isolated from someone recently vaccinated for up to a few weeks after vaccination, with very high cycle times (meaning the lab equipment repeatedly looks for the virus and keeps cycling over and over again - the higher the cycle time, the less virus is present)
"THERE IS NO DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE OF MEASLES VACCINE VIRUS TRANSMISSION"
In other words, the verrrrrrry tiny bit of weakened vaccine derived virus shed by a person recently vaccinated does not actually lead to infection of others in the real world.
Shedding is a general term referring to the virion shedding from an infected host. The reason why this is an uncomfortable conversation is because it also refers to vaccinated people shedding the virus they are infected with with or without any symptoms. Vaccines can blunt the symptoms and make the infection milder but may not always prevent transmission. It's possible for people vaccinated against Measles to spread (e.g. shed measles virus) to others. They may not show characteristic symptoms.
I get that. But in vaccine conspiracy theory circles, social media, etc., they will point to shedding of measles being caused by the vaccine itself, implying that vaccination causes outbreaks. And yes there is research that shows that scant amounts of vaccine type measles can identified for a few weeks after vaccination via PCR testing of nasal specimens. However, most importantly, shedding of the vaccine type virus (which is an attenuated, weakened form) is not associated with transmission or outbreak nor is it associated with the TX outbreak. Social media posta implying overwise are false.
Ok, This isn't what is automatically implied by "shedding", anyone can look up this term and what it means. The controversy is that vaccinated aren't automatically excluded from the equation of transmission/outbreak even when it's proven to be wild virus and they show no symptoms. In other words, transmission cannot be blamed on the unvaxxed only. If you received your vaccines (my kids did) or you had the virus, then you should be protected enough from the ill effects of this virus and especially and most importantly, complications. So, I am not worried and I think this is politicized.
This is why herd immunity keeps us all healthier. Vaccines aren’t 100% effective, and we need a low disease prevalence to prevent illness.
We have herd immunity. Vast majority is vaxxed. Especially in places where it's popping up now, so what gives?
We are actually below herd immunity rate for measles, needs to be 95 percent but US is around 90 percent with various communities lower than that. People are generally not worried for themselves but frustrated with declining vaccination rates and am HHS leader who touts vaccine as a personal choice - which may drive rates even lower.
The lower the rates and the more our leaders embrace a "personal choice" attitude toward vaccines line MMR, it puts those who cannot be vaccinated - like young babies - at risk. Specifically for measles where it is so contagious, one person exercising "personal choice" puts all babies, immunosuppressed, etc in their vicinity, at risk if and when that person gets infected.
Not worried about measles for ourselves but we do actually care about other babies and people If you do not care about other people (and babies!), go to another thread and do not post here.
+1 From the article in the OP:
“In Gaines County, Texas, the epicenter of the current outbreak, the vaccine exemption rate was nearly 18% for the 2023-2024 school year, according to health department data.”
Anonymous
03/04/2025 07:01
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anyone here informed about “shedding”?
Viral shedding?
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0264410X16300895
"There is no documented evidence of measles vaccine virus transmission."
we may need this in capital letters for the nutjob that posted that prior comment.
While yes, scant attenuated measles virus can be isolated from someone recently vaccinated for up to a few weeks after vaccination, with very high cycle times (meaning the lab equipment repeatedly looks for the virus and keeps cycling over and over again - the higher the cycle time, the less virus is present)
"THERE IS NO DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE OF MEASLES VACCINE VIRUS TRANSMISSION"
In other words, the verrrrrrry tiny bit of weakened vaccine derived virus shed by a person recently vaccinated does not actually lead to infection of others in the real world.
Shedding is a general term referring to the virion shedding from an infected host. The reason why this is an uncomfortable conversation is because it also refers to vaccinated people shedding the virus they are infected with with or without any symptoms. Vaccines can blunt the symptoms and make the infection milder but may not always prevent transmission. It's possible for people vaccinated against Measles to spread (e.g. shed measles virus) to others. They may not show characteristic symptoms.
I get that. But in vaccine conspiracy theory circles, social media, etc., they will point to shedding of measles being caused by the vaccine itself, implying that vaccination causes outbreaks. And yes there is research that shows that scant amounts of vaccine type measles can identified for a few weeks after vaccination via PCR testing of nasal specimens. However, most importantly, shedding of the vaccine type virus (which is an attenuated, weakened form) is not associated with transmission or outbreak nor is it associated with the TX outbreak. Social media posta implying overwise are false.
Ok, This isn't what is automatically implied by "shedding", anyone can look up this term and what it means. The controversy is that vaccinated aren't automatically excluded from the equation of transmission/outbreak even when it's proven to be wild virus and they show no symptoms. In other words, transmission cannot be blamed on the unvaxxed only. If you received your vaccines (my kids did) or you had the virus, then you should be protected enough from the ill effects of this virus and especially and most importantly, complications. So, I am not worried and I think this is politicized.
This is why herd immunity keeps us all healthier. Vaccines aren’t 100% effective, and we need a low disease prevalence to prevent illness.
We have herd immunity. Vast majority is vaxxed. Especially in places where it's popping up now, so what gives?
We are actually below herd immunity rate for measles, needs to be 95 percent but US is around 90 percent with various communities lower than that. People are generally not worried for themselves but frustrated with declining vaccination rates and am HHS leader who touts vaccine as a personal choice - which may drive rates even lower.
The lower the rates and the more our leaders embrace a "personal choice" attitude toward vaccines line MMR, it puts those who cannot be vaccinated - like young babies - at risk. Specifically for measles where it is so contagious, one person exercising "personal choice" puts all babies, immunosuppressed, etc in their vicinity, at risk if and when that person gets infected.
Not worried about measles for ourselves but we do actually care about other babies and people If you do not care about other people (and babies!), go to another thread and do not post here.
Anonymous
03/04/2025 05:54
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is the MMR vaccine a one and done if you received it as a child?
In childhood, it should be two doses. Later in life, protection can sometimes wane and you can have your titers checked and receive a booster if warranted.
+1 My husband and I just had titers checked today at CVS. We are close to the ages where that’s recommended because there was a weaker strain of the vaccine in use when we would have gotten it as kids.
Hello! Sorry to hijack this thread but can you tell me how I can get my titers checked? It’s something I can do at CVS?
I finished chemotherapy in June and even though my oncologist says I don’t need to revaccinate (I’m 40 and assume I had the vaccines as a child), I’m concerned I now don’t have the immunity I did before chemo.
Thank you!
Yes we made a Minute Clinic appointment at the kiosk in the store, I think the category was “vaccination other than Covid or chicken pox” or something like that. The NP takes a little blood and sends it to Labcorp to measure titers.
Anonymous
03/03/2025 23:40
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anyone here informed about “shedding”?
Viral shedding?
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0264410X16300895
"There is no documented evidence of measles vaccine virus transmission."
we may need this in capital letters for the nutjob that posted that prior comment.
While yes, scant attenuated measles virus can be isolated from someone recently vaccinated for up to a few weeks after vaccination, with very high cycle times (meaning the lab equipment repeatedly looks for the virus and keeps cycling over and over again - the higher the cycle time, the less virus is present)
"THERE IS NO DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE OF MEASLES VACCINE VIRUS TRANSMISSION"
In other words, the verrrrrrry tiny bit of weakened vaccine derived virus shed by a person recently vaccinated does not actually lead to infection of others in the real world.
Shedding is a general term referring to the virion shedding from an infected host. The reason why this is an uncomfortable conversation is because it also refers to vaccinated people shedding the virus they are infected with with or without any symptoms. Vaccines can blunt the symptoms and make the infection milder but may not always prevent transmission. It's possible for people vaccinated against Measles to spread (e.g. shed measles virus) to others. They may not show characteristic symptoms.
I get that. But in vaccine conspiracy theory circles, social media, etc., they will point to shedding of measles being caused by the vaccine itself, implying that vaccination causes outbreaks. And yes there is research that shows that scant amounts of vaccine type measles can identified for a few weeks after vaccination via PCR testing of nasal specimens. However, most importantly, shedding of the vaccine type virus (which is an attenuated, weakened form) is not associated with transmission or outbreak nor is it associated with the TX outbreak. Social media posta implying overwise are false.
Ok, This isn't what is automatically implied by "shedding", anyone can look up this term and what it means. The controversy is that vaccinated aren't automatically excluded from the equation of transmission/outbreak even when it's proven to be wild virus and they show no symptoms. In other words, transmission cannot be blamed on the unvaxxed only. If you received your vaccines (my kids did) or you had the virus, then you should be protected enough from the ill effects of this virus and especially and most importantly, complications. So, I am not worried and I think this is politicized.
This is why herd immunity keeps us all healthier. Vaccines aren’t 100% effective, and we need a low disease prevalence to prevent illness.
We have herd immunity. Vast majority is vaxxed. Especially in places where it's popping up now, so what gives?
Anonymous
03/03/2025 21:36
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Measles cases have been confirmed in New Jersey and Alaska.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/measles-outbreak-us-map/
New York too now. Good thing we have the oh so qualified and professional RFK Jr around to help us manage this entirely preventable epidemic.
Anonymous
03/03/2025 21:36
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
We should be warned which countries are spreading these diseases.
https://apps.who.int/gho/data/view.main.1540_62
Soon we won’t know as the USA has defunded the World Health Organization, USAID and other entities that collected that data. Too bad diseases don’t stop at country boundaries.
Anonymous
03/03/2025 21:33
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Measles cases have been confirmed in New Jersey and Alaska.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/measles-outbreak-us-map/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/measles-outbreak-us-map/
Anonymous
03/03/2025 21:20
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
here's an interesting experiment: the the folks who believe parents who skip vaccines should be prosecuted, can you take a stab at articulating in the most convincing way possible your opponents' concerns with the childhood vaccination schedule? My sense is that lots of people know that the vaccine skeptics exist but that they don't know why skeptics have the concerns they do.
Anonymous
03/03/2025 21:13
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anyone here informed about “shedding”?
Viral shedding?
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0264410X16300895
"There is no documented evidence of measles vaccine virus transmission."
we may need this in capital letters for the nutjob that posted that prior comment.
While yes, scant attenuated measles virus can be isolated from someone recently vaccinated for up to a few weeks after vaccination, with very high cycle times (meaning the lab equipment repeatedly looks for the virus and keeps cycling over and over again - the higher the cycle time, the less virus is present)
"THERE IS NO DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE OF MEASLES VACCINE VIRUS TRANSMISSION"
In other words, the verrrrrrry tiny bit of weakened vaccine derived virus shed by a person recently vaccinated does not actually lead to infection of others in the real world.
Shedding is a general term referring to the virion shedding from an infected host. The reason why this is an uncomfortable conversation is because it also refers to vaccinated people shedding the virus they are infected with with or without any symptoms. Vaccines can blunt the symptoms and make the infection milder but may not always prevent transmission. It's possible for people vaccinated against Measles to spread (e.g. shed measles virus) to others. They may not show characteristic symptoms.
I get that. But in vaccine conspiracy theory circles, social media, etc., they will point to shedding of measles being caused by the vaccine itself, implying that vaccination causes outbreaks. And yes there is research that shows that scant amounts of vaccine type measles can identified for a few weeks after vaccination via PCR testing of nasal specimens. However, most importantly, shedding of the vaccine type virus (which is an attenuated, weakened form) is not associated with transmission or outbreak nor is it associated with the TX outbreak. Social media posta implying overwise are false.
Ok, This isn't what is automatically implied by "shedding", anyone can look up this term and what it means. The controversy is that vaccinated aren't automatically excluded from the equation of transmission/outbreak even when it's proven to be wild virus and they show no symptoms. In other words, transmission cannot be blamed on the unvaxxed only. If you received your vaccines (my kids did) or you had the virus, then you should be protected enough from the ill effects of this virus and especially and most importantly, complications. So, I am not worried and I think this is politicized.
This is why herd immunity keeps us all healthier. Vaccines aren’t 100% effective, and we need a low disease prevalence to prevent illness.
Anonymous
03/03/2025 20:50
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2025/what-to-know-about-measles-and-vaccines
Information about measles from Johns Hopkins
Is measles dangerous?
Yes. Here in the U.S., about 1 in 5 unvaccinated people will require hospitalization from measles. In 2024, that rate was even higher—about 40% of people with measles were hospitalized. Measles can also lead to more severe issues, including pneumonia, encephalitis, brain damage, and pregnancy complications. Complications of measles can occur in anyone, including in healthy children and adults.
Scientists have found that measles wipes out the body’s memory of bacteria and viruses. This weakens your immune system, making you more likely to get sick from other diseases. This effect can last for years."
Another thing to consider: if you or your child has recently had COVID, your immune system may be weaker than normal.
Insurance should not pay for hospitalization of unvaccinated children.
Oh, here we go again! Hypocrites at their best and one of the reasons we are enjoying current administration. You really deserve what's happening now. And you will never win because of the vile rhetoric like this.
I loathe Trump and MAGAS who are the ones who don't vaccinate their children!
Well that’s just a teeny tiny number
The ones who are most likely to not vaccinate are very liberal, natural living , crunchy moms.
Wrong. Liberals vaccinate at higher rates. Nice try though.
https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2023/05/16/americans-largely-positive-views-of-childhood-vaccines-hold-steady/
+1 and also, the PP is welcome to look up vaccination rates by red vs blue states.
Anecdotally, the only antivax folks I've known are complete MAGAs.
You haven't been around
I have but it has been a total cultural shift, granola crunchies more on the right now.
Anonymous
03/03/2025 20:47
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is the MMR vaccine a one and done if you received it as a child?
It's two doses and no, not if you were born in the late fifties through early sixties. If you have boomer parents encourage them to get a booster.
My mother received it last year: single dose booster. She didn’t even want to hold her grandchild without one. I do not believe my dad received the booster possibly not even the original vaccination.
And he had no problem holding his grandchild?
Most old guys don't care enough.
Then they should be sued for potentially giving measles to their infant grandchildren according to the gestapo here.
Anonymous
03/03/2025 20:41
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is the MMR vaccine a one and done if you received it as a child?
It's two doses and no, not if you were born in the late fifties through early sixties. If you have boomer parents encourage them to get a booster.
My mother received it last year: single dose booster. She didn’t even want to hold her grandchild without one. I do not believe my dad received the booster possibly not even the original vaccination.
And he had no problem holding his grandchild?
Most old guys don't care enough.
Anonymous
03/03/2025 20:40
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2025/what-to-know-about-measles-and-vaccines
Information about measles from Johns Hopkins
Is measles dangerous?
Yes. Here in the U.S., about 1 in 5 unvaccinated people will require hospitalization from measles. In 2024, that rate was even higher—about 40% of people with measles were hospitalized. Measles can also lead to more severe issues, including pneumonia, encephalitis, brain damage, and pregnancy complications. Complications of measles can occur in anyone, including in healthy children and adults.
Scientists have found that measles wipes out the body’s memory of bacteria and viruses. This weakens your immune system, making you more likely to get sick from other diseases. This effect can last for years."
Another thing to consider: if you or your child has recently had COVID, your immune system may be weaker than normal.
Insurance should not pay for hospitalization of unvaccinated children.
Oh, here we go again! Hypocrites at their best and one of the reasons we are enjoying current administration. You really deserve what's happening now. And you will never win because of the vile rhetoric like this.
I loathe Trump and MAGAS who are the ones who don't vaccinate their children!
Well that’s just a teeny tiny number
The ones who are most likely to not vaccinate are very liberal, natural living , crunchy moms.
Wrong. Liberals vaccinate at higher rates. Nice try though.
https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2023/05/16/americans-largely-positive-views-of-childhood-vaccines-hold-steady/
+1 and also, the PP is welcome to look up vaccination rates by red vs blue states.
Anecdotally, the only antivax folks I've known are complete MAGAs.
You haven't been around
Anonymous
03/03/2025 20:39
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2025/what-to-know-about-measles-and-vaccines
Information about measles from Johns Hopkins
Is measles dangerous?
Yes. Here in the U.S., about 1 in 5 unvaccinated people will require hospitalization from measles. In 2024, that rate was even higher—about 40% of people with measles were hospitalized. Measles can also lead to more severe issues, including pneumonia, encephalitis, brain damage, and pregnancy complications. Complications of measles can occur in anyone, including in healthy children and adults.
Scientists have found that measles wipes out the body’s memory of bacteria and viruses. This weakens your immune system, making you more likely to get sick from other diseases. This effect can last for years."
Another thing to consider: if you or your child has recently had COVID, your immune system may be weaker than normal.
Insurance should not pay for hospitalization of unvaccinated children.
Oh, here we go again! Hypocrites at their best and one of the reasons we are enjoying current administration. You really deserve what's happening now. And you will never win because of the vile rhetoric like this.
I loathe Trump and MAGAS who are the ones who don't vaccinate their children!
Well that’s just a teeny tiny number
The ones who are most likely to not vaccinate are very liberal, natural living , crunchy moms.
Wrong. Liberals vaccinate at higher rates. Nice try though.
https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2023/05/16/americans-largely-positive-views-of-childhood-vaccines-hold-steady/
+1 and also, the PP is welcome to look up vaccination rates by red vs blue states.
Anecdotally, the only antivax folks I've known are complete MAGAs.
This has changed since COVID, I believe. In the 2000s and 2010s, I understand it was the opposite. For example, Marin County, California, (crunchy lib capital of the world) had the highest rate of vaccine opt-outs in all of California until COVID or thereabouts. The New York Times had a piece on the switch.
Anonymous
03/03/2025 20:39
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is the MMR vaccine a one and done if you received it as a child?
It's two doses and no, not if you were born in the late fifties through early sixties. If you have boomer parents encourage them to get a booster.
My mother received it last year: single dose booster. She didn’t even want to hold her grandchild without one. I do not believe my dad received the booster possibly not even the original vaccination.
And he had no problem holding his grandchild?