Anonymous
Post 11/09/2024 11:18     Subject: How can we combat deep misogyny?
I honestly think this thread raises a lot of things to think about.

As a Dem voter I am just processing. I’m sick of screaming and flinging insults around. I used to think the other side lived in some echo chamber bubble but after this I can see clearly that I was avoiding some realities.
Anonymous
Post 11/09/2024 11:13     Subject: Re:How can we combat deep misogyny?
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I agree a lot of it exposes the inequalities a lot of these parents have bought into in their own lives. It seems like a lot of people are very feminist and egalitarian up until they get married and then a lot of the men expect to be taken care of and waited on at home and the women are fine with it as long as they get a big glittery ring and a nice house and don't get hassled too much about their spending. It's really something to see. Boys who grow up in that environment develop some very retrograde attitudes about gender (as to the girls) regardless of their parents' declared politics.


If the women are happy with their glittery rings and taking care of their home and family, why is it a problem?


It’s a problem because the person you replied to isn’t the feminist she thinks she is. She’s a “lean in” feminist who agrees with men that men are the default and any women who don’t act like men are lesser beings unworthy of her respect.


Agree. To combat misogyny, we could start by not tearing each other down in the "Mommy wars." If we can't support each other in our differences and choices, how can we lead? How can we expect our children to grow up to be the people who will accept anyone, not matter their gender, race or ethnicity, as a leader? We need to protect each other especially during the most vulnerable parenting years, which is when women are most at risk of workplace policies at MOST employers in the country, abuse, abandonment, and financial ruin, and policies that essentially force most mothers to work (especially rehiring refusal), even when they don't feel that is best for them selves or their families.
Anonymous
Post 11/09/2024 11:00     Subject: How can we combat deep misogyny?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:I think women are just as misogynistic towards other women. Women are harder on women and more critical and ready to tear other women down.

I’m a woman and while I agree, I think my husband is just as critical of men as I am of women, and vice versa. We just want competent people leading the way. In the case of this election, both are idiots, but we were better off four years ago with him than we are right now under her.


Agree.


Ridiculously untrue, but I accept that you believe that.
Anonymous
Post 11/09/2024 11:00     Subject: How can we combat deep misogyny?
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Anonymous wrote:Put up a better female candidate next time and stop blaming it on this.


In what world is a grifter, rapist, insurrectionist, and convicted felon a better candidate?

Because they both have a political past, and we were better off with his. Why can’t you comprehend this?


Because that is not true.

Trump voters display their staggering ignorance when they attribute everything that happens in the world to the POTUS. You don't understand how the government works. You don't understand how economics work. You don't understand what is happening to our planet. Ignorance of the complexity of things and avoidance of the tough work to make real change are the reason Trump was elected. Everything else is BS.
Anonymous
Post 11/09/2024 10:58     Subject: How can we combat deep misogyny?
Anonymous wrote:Where is the deep misogyny? Point me to the concrete examples. You can't, because there aren't any. In fact, women in this country are succeeding at rates never before seen in the world. At the primary, secondary, college, and graduate levels, there are more women than men, especially in demanding fields. Wage gap is a myth--it's due to differences in career choice and child-bearing choices. I know why you posted this--because you think Harris losing is an example. She lost because she was horrible. If you want to blame someone, blame the media and the Democratic Party--which is a joke. The places where women are attacked, on the athletic fields and in Gaza, are for "some reason" ignored.


Here’s exhibit A of the deep misogyny in our society.

First, there is no child bearing “choice” that women make that men do not. Men can’t have the babies. If you want kids in our society then women MUST “choose” to have kids. It’s not an option for men, so quit your BS on this issue.

Second, women don’t “choose” low-paying fields en masse. Jobs historically begin to pay less as more women enter those careers. Because women aren’t valued. Teaching used to be a decently paying, well-respected position, for example. Until women began teaching in significant numbers. Now we as a society expect them to do it for peanuts and guilt them for even thinking about themselves (after all, don’t they care about the children!?)
Anonymous
Post 11/09/2024 10:48     Subject: How can we combat deep misogyny?
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Anonymous wrote:Stop blaming misogyny for simply being a sh!tty candidate or bad at you job.

Put your nose to the grind and earn your stripes up. Life isn't fair, and it is a dog eat dog world. No one owes you anything. You are not entitled to anything because you have a vagina despite what your permanent victimhood.classes taught you while you were in college going $180k in debt for a worthless degree.

This might shock you, but there are women who are good at their jobs and who are terrible at their jobs. Just like men. There are far more people who are mediocre to bad than good, which means most women, just like men, are mediocre to bad. Next time, pick good female candidates of you want to win elections, not thoroughly mid to bad selections like Hillary and Harris.


Except the GOP had a much sh.ttier candidate so that argument doesn’t work.


Yeah, so shitty he swept ALL the swing states, will win the popular vote, and the GOP is going to the control the Prez/House/Senate.

Stop running sh!tty female candidates and then blaming misogyny when it backfires.

Trump says what Americans want to hear and gives zero Fs about being controlled by the DC politically correct swamp. Dems elect thoroughly mid women who act like goodie two shoes but who are nothing more than sock poppets with the DNCs arm up their arses elbow deep to act as nothing more than a brainless puppet for the swamp.


This is the most accurate summation of the situation. This is why Trump is a fantastic *candidate*, but a terrible President.

Campaigning isn’t governing.
Anonymous
Post 11/09/2024 10:46     Subject: Re:How can we combat deep misogyny?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I agree a lot of it exposes the inequalities a lot of these parents have bought into in their own lives. It seems like a lot of people are very feminist and egalitarian up until they get married and then a lot of the men expect to be taken care of and waited on at home and the women are fine with it as long as they get a big glittery ring and a nice house and don't get hassled too much about their spending. It's really something to see. Boys who grow up in that environment develop some very retrograde attitudes about gender (as to the girls) regardless of their parents' declared politics.


If the women are happy with their glittery rings and taking care of their home and family, why is it a problem?


It's not a problem.

More power to them.

The problem is when the picture perfect husband becomes a violent abuser. The wife no longer has a no fault divorce. She no longer has credit in her name. She can no longer leave. She is trapped.


What? This isn’t 1950. Why wouldn’t she have credit in her name? I’m a SAHM and I’ve had credit in my name since I was 18 years old. I also have my own retirement account, my own car (title is in my name), a driver’s license, and friends and family I could turn to in a crisis.

The majority of women aren’t “trapped” in their marriages. The majority of men are not violent abusers, and I don’t have the statistics on this but I am guessing the violent abusers will be that way regardless of their wives working status.
Anonymous
Post 11/09/2024 10:41     Subject: Re:How can we combat deep misogyny?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I agree a lot of it exposes the inequalities a lot of these parents have bought into in their own lives. It seems like a lot of people are very feminist and egalitarian up until they get married and then a lot of the men expect to be taken care of and waited on at home and the women are fine with it as long as they get a big glittery ring and a nice house and don't get hassled too much about their spending. It's really something to see. Boys who grow up in that environment develop some very retrograde attitudes about gender (as to the girls) regardless of their parents' declared politics.


If the women are happy with their glittery rings and taking care of their home and family, why is it a problem?


It’s a problem because the person you replied to isn’t the feminist she thinks she is. She’s a “lean in” feminist who agrees with men that men are the default and any women who don’t act like men are lesser beings unworthy of her respect.
Anonymous
Post 11/09/2024 10:39     Subject: How can we combat deep misogyny?
Anonymous wrote:One way to combat is to ensure our children understand that misogyny doesn’t always look like the stereotypical male buffoon.

Far worse, in my opinion, is the type of misogyny that’s shown when women are shunned for daring to voice concerns about transgender women competing in the same category as biological women for elite sports competitions, particularly in the sport of swimming and running. In my view, it’s yet another attempt at male domination, but far worse is that the push for it is coming from the left in a misguided effort to be trans-positive. One can absolutely support transgender people without crushing biological females along the way.

Notice that there isn’t a big uproar about transgender male athletes competing in the men’s category. That’s because no one cares - transgender men do not pose a threat to their final results/standings. If there were such a threat, this topic would never even be up for debate.


Until the left accepts that supporting the colonization of women by men is one of the more horrifically misogynist positions it has ever taken, the left’s credibility on the issue of misogyny will be entirely shredded. When you view women, with their millennia of history of being raped, tortured, sold into slavery, and killed at every stage of life simply because they are born XX, as simply a concept to be colonized by the privileged, you are one of the most hateful and misogynist humans out there.

Anonymous
Post 11/09/2024 10:33     Subject: How can we combat deep misogyny?
Anonymous wrote:Personally I’m starting with my daughters and the issues they face at school.

As an example, DD was talking with a friend and school and a boy came over and immediately hijacked the conversation, kept telling DD she’s wrong, being overall obnoxious. DD asked him to leave them alone and he refused.

The school teaches the kids to just walk away in that situation. DD instead told the guy to move on or she’d kick his ass.

DD got in trouble and I stood up for her. I explained that the boys need to learn no means no. They aren’t entitled to a conversation with my daughter, they aren’t entitled to make her leave an area she wants to be in.

I’m just so tired of the “boys will be boys” mentality when they’re young. It leads to them growing up to be entitled men.

So DD knows if a boy is giving her problems, we fully support her doing whatever she needs to do to get him to go away.


NP. So, you’re just moving to “girls will be girls.” Appalling parenting.
Anonymous
Post 11/09/2024 10:00     Subject: Re:How can we combat deep misogyny?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I agree a lot of it exposes the inequalities a lot of these parents have bought into in their own lives. It seems like a lot of people are very feminist and egalitarian up until they get married and then a lot of the men expect to be taken care of and waited on at home and the women are fine with it as long as they get a big glittery ring and a nice house and don't get hassled too much about their spending. It's really something to see. Boys who grow up in that environment develop some very retrograde attitudes about gender (as to the girls) regardless of their parents' declared politics.


If the women are happy with their glittery rings and taking care of their home and family, why is it a problem?


It's not a problem.

More power to them.

The problem is when the picture perfect husband becomes a violent abuser. The wife no longer has a no fault divorce. She no longer has credit in her name. She can no longer leave. She is trapped.


Oh no, choices have consequences!
Anonymous
Post 11/09/2024 09:55     Subject: Re:How can we combat deep misogyny?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I agree a lot of it exposes the inequalities a lot of these parents have bought into in their own lives. It seems like a lot of people are very feminist and egalitarian up until they get married and then a lot of the men expect to be taken care of and waited on at home and the women are fine with it as long as they get a big glittery ring and a nice house and don't get hassled too much about their spending. It's really something to see. Boys who grow up in that environment develop some very retrograde attitudes about gender (as to the girls) regardless of their parents' declared politics.


If the women are happy with their glittery rings and taking care of their home and family, why is it a problem?


It's not a problem.

More power to them.

The problem is when the picture perfect husband becomes a violent abuser. The wife no longer has a no fault divorce. She no longer has credit in her name. She can no longer leave. She is trapped.
Anonymous
Post 11/09/2024 09:53     Subject: How can we combat deep misogyny?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Put up a better female candidate next time and stop blaming it on this.


In what world is a grifter, rapist, insurrectionist, and convicted felon a better candidate?


Tells you how much people did not like Kamala. I don’t know a single woman that voted for her.


Ew - where do you live?


America.

The majority of white women supported Trump.


So some sh.thole state. Ewwww.


Are you sure you’re old enough to vote?
Anonymous
Post 11/09/2024 09:52     Subject: How can we combat deep misogyny?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Put up a better female candidate next time and stop blaming it on this.


In what world is a grifter, rapist, insurrectionist, and convicted felon a better candidate?


Tells you how much people did not like Kamala. I don’t know a single woman that voted for her.


Ew - where do you live?


America.

The majority of white women supported Trump.


So some sh.thole state. Ewwww.
Anonymous
Post 11/09/2024 09:34     Subject: Re:How can we combat deep misogyny?
Anonymous wrote:
I agree a lot of it exposes the inequalities a lot of these parents have bought into in their own lives. It seems like a lot of people are very feminist and egalitarian up until they get married and then a lot of the men expect to be taken care of and waited on at home and the women are fine with it as long as they get a big glittery ring and a nice house and don't get hassled too much about their spending. It's really something to see. Boys who grow up in that environment develop some very retrograde attitudes about gender (as to the girls) regardless of their parents' declared politics.


If the women are happy with their glittery rings and taking care of their home and family, why is it a problem?