Anonymous
Post 12/10/2024 13:55     Subject: Re:Why aren’t males attending college?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:At some point, I do have to ask: what are men doing?
They are earning less, reading less, educating themselves less, and moving more and more conservative.
It must really suck to be a young woman right now.


STEM.

They are leaving fields like law and medicine and moving into STEM.

They are still pretty over-represented in finance too.

I mean, sure, but they're still failing to go to college and actually get into STEM careers. So what are they doing?


Some of them are, but some aren't. STEM careers are still highly male-dominated, even with all the outreach to women.
Anonymous
Post 12/10/2024 13:47     Subject: Why aren’t males attending college?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The expectation for kids to be perfect (all As, ECs curated, super scheduled days) beginning in 9th grade does not match where most boys are developmentally at age 14. Girls are ahead here. So they start off behind and it is hard to catch up.


this is a very real factor. teacher of Gifted&Talented...the intelligence is the same, the organizational skills of females are 1.5-2 yrs ahead. Males are not as supported in our educational system. In GT with smaller groupings we can do a lot of creative out of box thinking and cater to both types of minds. Colleagues in private schools report the same. All-male schools often have a lot of success with boys. Most public schools cannot individualize this. I am a female teacher. Most of my colleagues are. Many of us have raised sons and daughters in addition to teaching them; Boys need more support. Giving Boys more support does not mean giving girls less: keep the women in stem and all the important stuff added over the years to help girls; add support specifically for the ways boys learn, and ways to encourage college and make it an obvious attainable choice.

Can you explain how boys "Learn" differently? All I hear online is basically that school isn't recess and expects you to listen.


If you want to learn about how the educational system is failing boys you might start with Richard Reeves. He has a book and YouTube videos.

I have read him, but it comes off empty every time I read it. Academically, boys develop slower than girls, yet their IQs do not-something never acknowledged by Reeves. He acknowledges institutional bias against men in education, but doesn't bring up the even more important behavior issue amongst boys, which has been sanctioned by the female-centered education system as we have greatly reduced punishment for erratic behavior. Men dominate the classroom, perform worse, and get in trouble more, all for them to complain that academia is against them.

Lastly, I think this will tip into misandry if every girl has to grow up with boys older than her, because the ones her age aren't smart enough or disciplined enough to be in the classroom. It may actually accelerate these issues in men.
Anonymous
Post 12/10/2024 13:37     Subject: Why aren’t males attending college?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The expectation for kids to be perfect (all As, ECs curated, super scheduled days) beginning in 9th grade does not match where most boys are developmentally at age 14. Girls are ahead here. So they start off behind and it is hard to catch up.


this is a very real factor. teacher of Gifted&Talented...the intelligence is the same, the organizational skills of females are 1.5-2 yrs ahead. Males are not as supported in our educational system. In GT with smaller groupings we can do a lot of creative out of box thinking and cater to both types of minds. Colleagues in private schools report the same. All-male schools often have a lot of success with boys. Most public schools cannot individualize this. I am a female teacher. Most of my colleagues are. Many of us have raised sons and daughters in addition to teaching them; Boys need more support. Giving Boys more support does not mean giving girls less: keep the women in stem and all the important stuff added over the years to help girls; add support specifically for the ways boys learn, and ways to encourage college and make it an obvious attainable choice.

Can you explain how boys "Learn" differently? All I hear online is basically that school isn't recess and expects you to listen.


If you want to learn about how the educational system is failing boys you might start with Richard Reeves. He has a book and YouTube videos.
Anonymous
Post 12/10/2024 13:24     Subject: Why aren’t males attending college?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The expectation for kids to be perfect (all As, ECs curated, super scheduled days) beginning in 9th grade does not match where most boys are developmentally at age 14. Girls are ahead here. So they start off behind and it is hard to catch up.


this is a very real factor. teacher of Gifted&Talented...the intelligence is the same, the organizational skills of females are 1.5-2 yrs ahead. Males are not as supported in our educational system. In GT with smaller groupings we can do a lot of creative out of box thinking and cater to both types of minds. Colleagues in private schools report the same. All-male schools often have a lot of success with boys. Most public schools cannot individualize this. I am a female teacher. Most of my colleagues are. Many of us have raised sons and daughters in addition to teaching them; Boys need more support. Giving Boys more support does not mean giving girls less: keep the women in stem and all the important stuff added over the years to help girls; add support specifically for the ways boys learn, and ways to encourage college and make it an obvious attainable choice.

Can you explain how boys "Learn" differently? All I hear online is basically that school isn't recess and expects you to listen.
Anonymous
Post 12/10/2024 13:17     Subject: Re:Why aren’t males attending college?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:At some point, I do have to ask: what are men doing?
They are earning less, reading less, educating themselves less, and moving more and more conservative.
It must really suck to be a young woman right now.


STEM.

They are leaving fields like law and medicine and moving into STEM.

They are still pretty over-represented in finance too.

I mean, sure, but they're still failing to go to college and actually get into STEM careers. So what are they doing?
Anonymous
Post 12/10/2024 11:26     Subject: Why aren’t males attending college?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So many of the colleges we have looked at have gender imbalances with higher rates of females. What’s happening?


they're dumbing themselves down, watching tiktok, listening to joe rogan and voting trump.


Oh right. Society has played no role in this.
Anonymous
Post 12/10/2024 09:35     Subject: Re:Why aren’t males attending college?
Anonymous wrote:At some point, I do have to ask: what are men doing?
They are earning less, reading less, educating themselves less, and moving more and more conservative.
It must really suck to be a young woman right now.


STEM.

They are leaving fields like law and medicine and moving into STEM.

They are still pretty over-represented in finance too.
Anonymous
Post 12/10/2024 03:13     Subject: Re:Why aren’t males attending college?
At some point, I do have to ask: what are men doing?
They are earning less, reading less, educating themselves less, and moving more and more conservative.
It must really suck to be a young woman right now.
Anonymous
Post 12/09/2024 10:33     Subject: Why aren’t males attending college?
Anonymous wrote:I work in a male-dominated STEM field. As a group, the women are far smarter than the men.

Maybe more women go to college because estrogen makes people smarter than testosterone.


You sound really dumb!
Anonymous
Post 12/09/2024 10:22     Subject: Why aren’t males attending college?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I work in a male-dominated STEM field. As a group, the women are far smarter than the men.

Maybe more women go to college because estrogen makes people smarter than testosterone.


Or just a lack of testosterone makes people smarter.


https://www.researchgate.net/publication/13442754_The_Curvelinear_Correlations_Between_the_Total_Testosterone_Levels_and_Fluid_Intelligence_in_Men_and_Women
Anonymous
Post 12/09/2024 07:23     Subject: Why aren’t males attending college?
Anonymous wrote:I work in a male-dominated STEM field. As a group, the women are far smarter than the men.

Maybe more women go to college because estrogen makes people smarter than testosterone.


Not my experience at all. I will say that the competent woman definitely get a lot more opportunities to advance.
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2024 23:36     Subject: Why aren’t males attending college?
Anonymous wrote:I work in a male-dominated STEM field. As a group, the women are far smarter than the men.

Maybe more women go to college because estrogen makes people smarter than testosterone.


I don't think you can make this generalization.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_International_Mathematical_Olympiad_participants
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2024 22:50     Subject: Why aren’t males attending college?
Estrogen clearly didn’t help the prior poster’s IQ.
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2024 22:46     Subject: Why aren’t males attending college?
Anonymous wrote:I work in a male-dominated STEM field. As a group, the women are far smarter than the men.

Maybe more women go to college because estrogen makes people smarter than testosterone.


Men still seem to be founding startups disproportionately.

I have a son and a daughter and in HS my son frankly was moderately motivated whereas my daughter was always very driven. I had to really work hard to get my son through HS and he did get into a top 15. He is a totally different person in college and excelling beyond our expectations in terms of securing internships and research. I have learned he only works for things that matter to him, he did not want to work on foreign language or English in HS so making him focus on that was a challenge. I know he will be much better in the workforce and I finally see him maturing. Maybe I should I have held him back a year, I see the wisdom in red-shirting some boys. If he were born to a family of much fewer resources, maybe he would not have gone to college. I quit my job to focus on him during HS.
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2024 22:23     Subject: Why aren’t males attending college?
Anonymous wrote:I work in a male-dominated STEM field. As a group, the women are far smarter than the men.

Maybe more women go to college because estrogen makes people smarter than testosterone.


Or just a lack of testosterone makes people smarter.