Anonymous
04/03/2024 13:48
Subject: Reasons why one would not accept TJ offer?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
If the reports from DCUM are to be believed, not all of the kids with Algebra 2 are accepted as Freshman at TJ. I would assume the ones not accepted are from Carson, Longfellow, and Cooper. I would guess that the Algebra 2 kids from the schools that tend to send fewer kids, the ones without numbers reported, are more likely to have been accepted since those are likely in the top 1.5% of the pool and would be the most likely to apply from the less represented MS.
Why would you assume that? The top 1.5% is based on essays, GPA, and experience factors. There are no bonus points given for the kid's math level.
Please explain the “experience factors” score.
I do not recall seeing it on children’s report cards.
It's subjective fluff that would be used as justification in case FCPS gets sued for racial balancing.
Anonymous
04/03/2024 13:32
Subject: Reasons why one would not accept TJ offer?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
If the reports from DCUM are to be believed, not all of the kids with Algebra 2 are accepted as Freshman at TJ. I would assume the ones not accepted are from Carson, Longfellow, and Cooper. I would guess that the Algebra 2 kids from the schools that tend to send fewer kids, the ones without numbers reported, are more likely to have been accepted since those are likely in the top 1.5% of the pool and would be the most likely to apply from the less represented MS.
Why would you assume that? The top 1.5% is based on essays, GPA, and experience factors. There are no bonus points given for the kid's math level.
Please explain the “experience factors” score.
I do not recall seeing it on children’s report cards.
Anonymous
04/03/2024 11:50
Subject: Reasons why one would not accept TJ offer?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Colleges care ONLY about GPA.
If you think your child cannot land in the top half of the TJ class AND get a 4.0 (w) or above GPA - then avoid TJ.
The overall curriculum at TJ is same as any base HS - they all cover mostly the same courses such as AP Stats, AP Cal A/B or B/C, AP Physics.
if that's really true and I'm skeptical, then FCPS should consider a different magnet model. I suspect it isn't really true and most elite colleges are familiar with schools like TJ that frequently listed as the #1 HS in the USA.
Colleges are aware of the differences but they are not going to accept a ton of students from one school. This is an issue for the elite private schools. Check out the discussions on the private school forums. The 4.0 kids at Sidwell who are not legacies or athletes struggle to get accepted at the Ivies or top schools because the spots for their school are taken by legacies and athletes. Universities have a limited number of slots that they will use for any school and a limited number of slots for geographic regions. I kid who is a B student at TJ, taking AP classes, will probably have better prospects at their base school because the academic competition at the base school is likely to be less then at TJ. That B at TJ is more likely to be an A at their base school.
Is that the only reason to turn down an ofer from TJ? No. There is something to be said for kids challenging themselves and being around a lot of other kids who are academically motivated. Is it something to consider? Sure. It is also a different consideration for a kid who might go to Lewis or Mt Vernon or Herndon then a kid going to Langley or McLean because there will be more competition academically at McLean and Langley then there will be at Lewis or Mt Vernon or Herndon.
And you can say that TJ offers the same classes as most of the base schools, and they do, but the classes taught at TJ are taught at a higher level. The Teachers know that they have kids who are academically minded and are high achievers, they have higher expectations and demand more. AP classes at the base school will include kids who are in AP because mom and dad want them in AP but they really don't care and Teachers who are working to make sure that those kids are learning the material. TJ is not going to have kids that are being forced to take AP classes. Well, TJ might but the kids are bright and they know that their parents won't tolerate a lower grade so they do the work. More likely, the Teachers don't feel the need to teach to the kids at the bottom of the class because the school is a choice and not a requirement. Kids are expected to keep up and get the help they need if they need help outside of class.
Anonymous
04/03/2024 11:33
Subject: Reasons why one would not accept TJ offer?
Anonymous wrote:Colleges care ONLY about GPA.
If you think your child cannot land in the top half of the TJ class AND get a 4.0 (w) or above GPA - then avoid TJ.
The overall curriculum at TJ is same as any base HS - they all cover mostly the same courses such as AP Stats, AP Cal A/B or B/C, AP Physics.
if that's really true and I'm skeptical, then FCPS should consider a different magnet model. I suspect it isn't really true and most elite colleges are familiar with schools like TJ that frequently listed as the #1 HS in the USA.
Anonymous
04/03/2024 11:26
Subject: Reasons why one would not accept TJ offer?
Colleges care ONLY about GPA.
If you think your child cannot land in the top half of the TJ class AND get a 4.0 (w) or above GPA - then avoid TJ.
The overall curriculum at TJ is same as any base HS - they all cover mostly the same courses such as AP Stats, AP Cal A/B or B/C, AP Physics.
If you think your child cannot land in the top half of the TJ class AND get a 4.0 (w) or above GPA - then avoid TJ.
The overall curriculum at TJ is same as any base HS - they all cover mostly the same courses such as AP Stats, AP Cal A/B or B/C, AP Physics.
Anonymous
04/03/2024 11:02
Subject: Reasons why one would not accept TJ offer?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does Curie offer Summer classes?
Yes, Curie offers a wide range of summer STEM courses. We are enrolled at Curie during the year for academics, and DC wants to continue challenge during the summer as well, but do something more interesting. We enrolled in Robotics & Arduinos last summer, and this summer looking forward to Product Design STEM Camp. There is also the Creative Writing Bootcamp, where as part of final project DC wrote an amazing story about visiting Galapagos Islands with their favorite Marvel characters.
Thank you we will look into those classes right way. DC is a hard core marvel fan too. lol.
We are very happy with Curie, but almost every Curie class is full. Please be considerate to existing students and don't make it more crowded. Please consider other enrichment centers.
About how many total kids go to Curie?
About 20
times hundred. Hundreds start off over their upper elementary/middle school years, but far less than a quarter complete the entire program due to fit, fast pace, and advanced curriculum. It's mostly math until trig/early precalc, applied stem science, and english.
It's honestly too bad these options aren't provided by the school system. Clearly there are kids who are interested.
Or parents who are interested. I know that some of the kids in enrichment programs are there because they want it and enjoy it. I also know a good number who are there because their parents require it and they don't particularly enjoy it. I have chatted with some of the parents of kids in DS RSM class and they have said that their kid was there because it was important but the kid hated it. There are kids who are choosing to attend enrichment, kids who go because their parents make them and are ok with it, and kids who go because their parents make them and hate it.
I know people don't want to hear this but there kids who are not accepted into TJ because their essays are "I don't want to go to TJ" and not because of random lottery picks. They have done great in all the enrichment and accelerated math but they were not there by choice. The kids know that they can not answer the essay question, flub the essay intentionally, or write that they don't want to attend TJ and that their parents will never know. I saw this first hand grading AP exams and the like.
It is easier for the kids to let parents be outraged that their child wasn't selected for whatever reason the parent can conjure then it is to tell their parents that they don't want to go to TJ.
Heck, at this moment there is a parent asking for suggestions for daily tutoring for their 6th grader so that they can do well in pre-algebra or maybe skip straight to algebra in 7th grade on this forum.
parents asking for daily tutor suggestions insist and even force their kids to attend school everyday, where as parents who don't care are the ones causing chronic absenteeism problems for their innocent child. To make it worse, that child is being lied to that they'll do great at TJ, when in reality they suffer miserablly with Cs, Ds, and Fs, when they could be somewhat successful at their base school.
So let's appreciate the parent who forces their kid to attend to school matters starting from elementary school so that they are better qualified to attend TJ.
You think the kids who are struggling with math at TJ are kids who have chronic absenteeism or parents who are not involved? A kid who is chronically absent is not going to be taking honors courses in MS and ending up with a minimum of a 3.5 GPA. TJ applicants have to have a 3.5 GPA, take honors math and science in 7th and 8th grade, take one other honors core class (LA or Social Studies), and complete Algebra 1 Honors by the end of 8th grade. These are not kids who are missing school. They are also not kids whose parents are checked out.
I would agree that the math requirement for acceptance at TJ is not rigorous enough. I think kids should have completed Geometry H by 8th grade and that kids should have to have an A in both math and science to apply. But that is a different issue then attendance or uninvolved parents.
Kids attending TJ should not have to have attended outside enrichment to be able to attend TJ. Plenty of kids have attended outside enrichment, which has strengthened their math foundations and makes the pace at TJ more manageable. That does not mean that the math at TJ is outside the bounds of kids who have not attended outside enrichment, plenty of people on this site have mentioned having kids who are doing just fine at TJ who did no outside math.
Finally, I doubt any child is being lied to about what TJ is and what TJ entails. It is a small pool of kids at each school that is eligible. They have opportunities to interact with Counselors from TJ before applying or accepting an offer. They have open houses and chances to talk to TJ students to learn about the school before applying or accepting an offer.
I think that you are a parent who wants to go back to the old system and acting like you are defending kids who would not have the opportunity to attend TJ with the old test and requirements. You are the person who acts like they want the best for "that child is being lied to that they'll do great at TJ, when in reality they suffer miserablly with Cs, Ds, and Fs, when they could be somewhat successful at their base school" because the kids who have been accepted to TJ should be doing the same in their LA and Social Studies classes as they would be doing at their base school and might be struggling with the faster pace of the math and science at TJ, meaning that they need additional help to adjust to TJs pace or move back to their base school.
Fortunately, there is very little difference between the kids being admitted before or after the changes in terms of preparedness. It's mostly a less toxic environment now which seems like a positive change.
Despite all the admissions drama, not much difference in the application interest, as it remains strong from the same dominant groups. However, there is a significant difference in the lowest segment, with more innocent children being misled into accepting admissions from schools where basic Algebra 1 inadequately taught. Inhumanely, these students suffering is ignored and are being told to accept grades of Cs and Ds as normal.
How sad! Victims of equity politics.
It's fake news.
Anonymous
04/03/2024 11:01
Subject: Reasons why one would not accept TJ offer?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does Curie offer Summer classes?
Yes, Curie offers a wide range of summer STEM courses. We are enrolled at Curie during the year for academics, and DC wants to continue challenge during the summer as well, but do something more interesting. We enrolled in Robotics & Arduinos last summer, and this summer looking forward to Product Design STEM Camp. There is also the Creative Writing Bootcamp, where as part of final project DC wrote an amazing story about visiting Galapagos Islands with their favorite Marvel characters.
Thank you we will look into those classes right way. DC is a hard core marvel fan too. lol.
We are very happy with Curie, but almost every Curie class is full. Please be considerate to existing students and don't make it more crowded. Please consider other enrichment centers.
About how many total kids go to Curie?
About 20
times hundred. Hundreds start off over their upper elementary/middle school years, but far less than a quarter complete the entire program due to fit, fast pace, and advanced curriculum. It's mostly math until trig/early precalc, applied stem science, and english.
It's honestly too bad these options aren't provided by the school system. Clearly there are kids who are interested.
Or parents who are interested. I know that some of the kids in enrichment programs are there because they want it and enjoy it. I also know a good number who are there because their parents require it and they don't particularly enjoy it. I have chatted with some of the parents of kids in DS RSM class and they have said that their kid was there because it was important but the kid hated it. There are kids who are choosing to attend enrichment, kids who go because their parents make them and are ok with it, and kids who go because their parents make them and hate it.
I know people don't want to hear this but there kids who are not accepted into TJ because their essays are "I don't want to go to TJ" and not because of random lottery picks. They have done great in all the enrichment and accelerated math but they were not there by choice. The kids know that they can not answer the essay question, flub the essay intentionally, or write that they don't want to attend TJ and that their parents will never know. I saw this first hand grading AP exams and the like.
It is easier for the kids to let parents be outraged that their child wasn't selected for whatever reason the parent can conjure then it is to tell their parents that they don't want to go to TJ.
Heck, at this moment there is a parent asking for suggestions for daily tutoring for their 6th grader so that they can do well in pre-algebra or maybe skip straight to algebra in 7th grade on this forum.
parents asking for daily tutor suggestions insist and even force their kids to attend school everyday, where as parents who don't care are the ones causing chronic absenteeism problems for their innocent child. To make it worse, that child is being lied to that they'll do great at TJ, when in reality they suffer miserablly with Cs, Ds, and Fs, when they could be somewhat successful at their base school.
So let's appreciate the parent who forces their kid to attend to school matters starting from elementary school so that they are better qualified to attend TJ.
You think the kids who are struggling with math at TJ are kids who have chronic absenteeism or parents who are not involved? A kid who is chronically absent is not going to be taking honors courses in MS and ending up with a minimum of a 3.5 GPA. TJ applicants have to have a 3.5 GPA, take honors math and science in 7th and 8th grade, take one other honors core class (LA or Social Studies), and complete Algebra 1 Honors by the end of 8th grade. These are not kids who are missing school. They are also not kids whose parents are checked out.
I would agree that the math requirement for acceptance at TJ is not rigorous enough. I think kids should have completed Geometry H by 8th grade and that kids should have to have an A in both math and science to apply. But that is a different issue then attendance or uninvolved parents.
Kids attending TJ should not have to have attended outside enrichment to be able to attend TJ. Plenty of kids have attended outside enrichment, which has strengthened their math foundations and makes the pace at TJ more manageable. That does not mean that the math at TJ is outside the bounds of kids who have not attended outside enrichment, plenty of people on this site have mentioned having kids who are doing just fine at TJ who did no outside math.
Finally, I doubt any child is being lied to about what TJ is and what TJ entails. It is a small pool of kids at each school that is eligible. They have opportunities to interact with Counselors from TJ before applying or accepting an offer. They have open houses and chances to talk to TJ students to learn about the school before applying or accepting an offer.
I think that you are a parent who wants to go back to the old system and acting like you are defending kids who would not have the opportunity to attend TJ with the old test and requirements. You are the person who acts like they want the best for "that child is being lied to that they'll do great at TJ, when in reality they suffer miserablly with Cs, Ds, and Fs, when they could be somewhat successful at their base school" because the kids who have been accepted to TJ should be doing the same in their LA and Social Studies classes as they would be doing at their base school and might be struggling with the faster pace of the math and science at TJ, meaning that they need additional help to adjust to TJs pace or move back to their base school.
Fortunately, there is very little difference between the kids being admitted before or after the changes in terms of preparedness. It's mostly a less toxic environment now which seems like a positive change.
In the old TJ, you still had students who struggled mightily. The difference was that those kids were, in many cases, getting that support from outside of the school building by hiring tutors, getting extra help, and the like. The old TJ under Glazer and Kosatka had an extreme "sink or swim" mindset where if students were struggling, the focus on the conversation was whether or not the kid belonged at TJ at all rather than how the school could support that student.
The new admissions process has brought in some students for whom the gap between middle school and high school is a little larger than it has historically been. The school under Dr. Bonitatibus has become much more friendly to the idea of helping students to navigate TJ, rather than expecting them to sink or swim on their own without any internal support. And that's a good thing.
There are still students for whom it's not the right fit, and that's fine. Some of them filter out and are replaced by a froshmore cohort that has been pretty strong year-over-year. But in the end, you have students that are getting an opportunity to be exposed to TJ that never were in years past. And that's a good thing too. Gatekeeping a educational opportunity like TJ in such a way that results in virtually zero economically disadvantaged students having access was an embarrassment to the county.
The bit about the gap being a "little large than it has historically been" sounds like a massive understatement, to which the solution of helping kids "navigate" TJ invariably will just mean reducing the rigor of the content.
You've made it all about changing the system to expand the access of economically disadvantaged students to the school without adequately considering the impact on the school to which they are being delivered access. Fundamentally, it's about creating a "TJ Lite" to replace the old TJ that's justified on the grounds that it's probably better than the schools those kids would have otherwise attended.
No, the statement seems fair. The gap is within a small margin, but sure some posters want to return to the former system because it was easily gamed.
Anonymous
04/03/2024 10:58
Subject: Reasons why one would not accept TJ offer?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does Curie offer Summer classes?
Yes, Curie offers a wide range of summer STEM courses. We are enrolled at Curie during the year for academics, and DC wants to continue challenge during the summer as well, but do something more interesting. We enrolled in Robotics & Arduinos last summer, and this summer looking forward to Product Design STEM Camp. There is also the Creative Writing Bootcamp, where as part of final project DC wrote an amazing story about visiting Galapagos Islands with their favorite Marvel characters.
Thank you we will look into those classes right way. DC is a hard core marvel fan too. lol.
We are very happy with Curie, but almost every Curie class is full. Please be considerate to existing students and don't make it more crowded. Please consider other enrichment centers.
About how many total kids go to Curie?
About 20
times hundred. Hundreds start off over their upper elementary/middle school years, but far less than a quarter complete the entire program due to fit, fast pace, and advanced curriculum. It's mostly math until trig/early precalc, applied stem science, and english.
It's honestly too bad these options aren't provided by the school system. Clearly there are kids who are interested.
Or parents who are interested. I know that some of the kids in enrichment programs are there because they want it and enjoy it. I also know a good number who are there because their parents require it and they don't particularly enjoy it. I have chatted with some of the parents of kids in DS RSM class and they have said that their kid was there because it was important but the kid hated it. There are kids who are choosing to attend enrichment, kids who go because their parents make them and are ok with it, and kids who go because their parents make them and hate it.
I know people don't want to hear this but there kids who are not accepted into TJ because their essays are "I don't want to go to TJ" and not because of random lottery picks. They have done great in all the enrichment and accelerated math but they were not there by choice. The kids know that they can not answer the essay question, flub the essay intentionally, or write that they don't want to attend TJ and that their parents will never know. I saw this first hand grading AP exams and the like.
It is easier for the kids to let parents be outraged that their child wasn't selected for whatever reason the parent can conjure then it is to tell their parents that they don't want to go to TJ.
Heck, at this moment there is a parent asking for suggestions for daily tutoring for their 6th grader so that they can do well in pre-algebra or maybe skip straight to algebra in 7th grade on this forum.
parents asking for daily tutor suggestions insist and even force their kids to attend school everyday, where as parents who don't care are the ones causing chronic absenteeism problems for their innocent child. To make it worse, that child is being lied to that they'll do great at TJ, when in reality they suffer miserablly with Cs, Ds, and Fs, when they could be somewhat successful at their base school.
So let's appreciate the parent who forces their kid to attend to school matters starting from elementary school so that they are better qualified to attend TJ.
You think the kids who are struggling with math at TJ are kids who have chronic absenteeism or parents who are not involved? A kid who is chronically absent is not going to be taking honors courses in MS and ending up with a minimum of a 3.5 GPA. TJ applicants have to have a 3.5 GPA, take honors math and science in 7th and 8th grade, take one other honors core class (LA or Social Studies), and complete Algebra 1 Honors by the end of 8th grade. These are not kids who are missing school. They are also not kids whose parents are checked out.
I would agree that the math requirement for acceptance at TJ is not rigorous enough. I think kids should have completed Geometry H by 8th grade and that kids should have to have an A in both math and science to apply. But that is a different issue then attendance or uninvolved parents.
Kids attending TJ should not have to have attended outside enrichment to be able to attend TJ. Plenty of kids have attended outside enrichment, which has strengthened their math foundations and makes the pace at TJ more manageable. That does not mean that the math at TJ is outside the bounds of kids who have not attended outside enrichment, plenty of people on this site have mentioned having kids who are doing just fine at TJ who did no outside math.
Finally, I doubt any child is being lied to about what TJ is and what TJ entails. It is a small pool of kids at each school that is eligible. They have opportunities to interact with Counselors from TJ before applying or accepting an offer. They have open houses and chances to talk to TJ students to learn about the school before applying or accepting an offer.
I think that you are a parent who wants to go back to the old system and acting like you are defending kids who would not have the opportunity to attend TJ with the old test and requirements. You are the person who acts like they want the best for "that child is being lied to that they'll do great at TJ, when in reality they suffer miserablly with Cs, Ds, and Fs, when they could be somewhat successful at their base school" because the kids who have been accepted to TJ should be doing the same in their LA and Social Studies classes as they would be doing at their base school and might be struggling with the faster pace of the math and science at TJ, meaning that they need additional help to adjust to TJs pace or move back to their base school.
Fortunately, there is very little difference between the kids being admitted before or after the changes in terms of preparedness. It's mostly a less toxic environment now which seems like a positive change.
In the old TJ, you still had students who struggled mightily. The difference was that those kids were, in many cases, getting that support from outside of the school building by hiring tutors, getting extra help, and the like. The old TJ under Glazer and Kosatka had an extreme "sink or swim" mindset where if students were struggling, the focus on the conversation was whether or not the kid belonged at TJ at all rather than how the school could support that student.
The new admissions process has brought in some students for whom the gap between middle school and high school is a little larger than it has historically been. The school under Dr. Bonitatibus has become much more friendly to the idea of helping students to navigate TJ, rather than expecting them to sink or swim on their own without any internal support. And that's a good thing.
There are still students for whom it's not the right fit, and that's fine. Some of them filter out and are replaced by a froshmore cohort that has been pretty strong year-over-year. But in the end, you have students that are getting an opportunity to be exposed to TJ that never were in years past. And that's a good thing too. Gatekeeping an educational opportunity like TJ in such a way that results in virtually zero economically disadvantaged students having access was an embarrassment to the county.
And rigging the admissions process to provide unearned extra points is pretty embarrassing as well.
1) The word “unearned” is doing a lot of work here.
2) The admissions process shouldn’t be points-based to begin with.
Kids don’t choose their parents and can’t help having middle class parents or upper middle class parents.
Nor should they be punished for having parents either whose circumstances do not allow them to support additional academic enrichment or who don’t prioritize it for whatever reason. I’m a lot more impressed by a kid who succeeds in the face of a lack of additional support than a kid who is propped up by their parents.
But a lot of parents under the old system viewed admission to TJ as an achievement for the parents or the family - as a prize to be won for the sacrifices they made.
That’s fine but applicants to TJ come in with all kinds of backgrounds. The false dichotomy presented above is problematic and I wouldn’t be surprised if the people who proposed the changes took that view on admissions. But it’s just not true and punishes kids who’s parents arbitrarily fall above that line.
It’s amazing you don’t see it on or maybe you just choose to ignore it.
Anonymous
04/03/2024 09:37
Subject: Reasons why one would not accept TJ offer?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does Curie offer Summer classes?
Yes, Curie offers a wide range of summer STEM courses. We are enrolled at Curie during the year for academics, and DC wants to continue challenge during the summer as well, but do something more interesting. We enrolled in Robotics & Arduinos last summer, and this summer looking forward to Product Design STEM Camp. There is also the Creative Writing Bootcamp, where as part of final project DC wrote an amazing story about visiting Galapagos Islands with their favorite Marvel characters.
Thank you we will look into those classes right way. DC is a hard core marvel fan too. lol.
We are very happy with Curie, but almost every Curie class is full. Please be considerate to existing students and don't make it more crowded. Please consider other enrichment centers.
About how many total kids go to Curie?
About 20
times hundred. Hundreds start off over their upper elementary/middle school years, but far less than a quarter complete the entire program due to fit, fast pace, and advanced curriculum. It's mostly math until trig/early precalc, applied stem science, and english.
It's honestly too bad these options aren't provided by the school system. Clearly there are kids who are interested.
Or parents who are interested. I know that some of the kids in enrichment programs are there because they want it and enjoy it. I also know a good number who are there because their parents require it and they don't particularly enjoy it. I have chatted with some of the parents of kids in DS RSM class and they have said that their kid was there because it was important but the kid hated it. There are kids who are choosing to attend enrichment, kids who go because their parents make them and are ok with it, and kids who go because their parents make them and hate it.
I know people don't want to hear this but there kids who are not accepted into TJ because their essays are "I don't want to go to TJ" and not because of random lottery picks. They have done great in all the enrichment and accelerated math but they were not there by choice. The kids know that they can not answer the essay question, flub the essay intentionally, or write that they don't want to attend TJ and that their parents will never know. I saw this first hand grading AP exams and the like.
It is easier for the kids to let parents be outraged that their child wasn't selected for whatever reason the parent can conjure then it is to tell their parents that they don't want to go to TJ.
Heck, at this moment there is a parent asking for suggestions for daily tutoring for their 6th grader so that they can do well in pre-algebra or maybe skip straight to algebra in 7th grade on this forum.
parents asking for daily tutor suggestions insist and even force their kids to attend school everyday, where as parents who don't care are the ones causing chronic absenteeism problems for their innocent child. To make it worse, that child is being lied to that they'll do great at TJ, when in reality they suffer miserablly with Cs, Ds, and Fs, when they could be somewhat successful at their base school.
So let's appreciate the parent who forces their kid to attend to school matters starting from elementary school so that they are better qualified to attend TJ.
You think the kids who are struggling with math at TJ are kids who have chronic absenteeism or parents who are not involved? A kid who is chronically absent is not going to be taking honors courses in MS and ending up with a minimum of a 3.5 GPA. TJ applicants have to have a 3.5 GPA, take honors math and science in 7th and 8th grade, take one other honors core class (LA or Social Studies), and complete Algebra 1 Honors by the end of 8th grade. These are not kids who are missing school. They are also not kids whose parents are checked out.
I would agree that the math requirement for acceptance at TJ is not rigorous enough. I think kids should have completed Geometry H by 8th grade and that kids should have to have an A in both math and science to apply. But that is a different issue then attendance or uninvolved parents.
Kids attending TJ should not have to have attended outside enrichment to be able to attend TJ. Plenty of kids have attended outside enrichment, which has strengthened their math foundations and makes the pace at TJ more manageable. That does not mean that the math at TJ is outside the bounds of kids who have not attended outside enrichment, plenty of people on this site have mentioned having kids who are doing just fine at TJ who did no outside math.
Finally, I doubt any child is being lied to about what TJ is and what TJ entails. It is a small pool of kids at each school that is eligible. They have opportunities to interact with Counselors from TJ before applying or accepting an offer. They have open houses and chances to talk to TJ students to learn about the school before applying or accepting an offer.
I think that you are a parent who wants to go back to the old system and acting like you are defending kids who would not have the opportunity to attend TJ with the old test and requirements. You are the person who acts like they want the best for "that child is being lied to that they'll do great at TJ, when in reality they suffer miserablly with Cs, Ds, and Fs, when they could be somewhat successful at their base school" because the kids who have been accepted to TJ should be doing the same in their LA and Social Studies classes as they would be doing at their base school and might be struggling with the faster pace of the math and science at TJ, meaning that they need additional help to adjust to TJs pace or move back to their base school.
Fortunately, there is very little difference between the kids being admitted before or after the changes in terms of preparedness. It's mostly a less toxic environment now which seems like a positive change.
In the old TJ, you still had students who struggled mightily. The difference was that those kids were, in many cases, getting that support from outside of the school building by hiring tutors, getting extra help, and the like. The old TJ under Glazer and Kosatka had an extreme "sink or swim" mindset where if students were struggling, the focus on the conversation was whether or not the kid belonged at TJ at all rather than how the school could support that student.
The new admissions process has brought in some students for whom the gap between middle school and high school is a little larger than it has historically been. The school under Dr. Bonitatibus has become much more friendly to the idea of helping students to navigate TJ, rather than expecting them to sink or swim on their own without any internal support. And that's a good thing.
There are still students for whom it's not the right fit, and that's fine. Some of them filter out and are replaced by a froshmore cohort that has been pretty strong year-over-year. But in the end, you have students that are getting an opportunity to be exposed to TJ that never were in years past. And that's a good thing too. Gatekeeping a educational opportunity like TJ in such a way that results in virtually zero economically disadvantaged students having access was an embarrassment to the county.
The bit about the gap being a "little large than it has historically been" sounds like a massive understatement, to which the solution of helping kids "navigate" TJ invariably will just mean reducing the rigor of the content.
You've made it all about changing the system to expand the access of economically disadvantaged students to the school without adequately considering the impact on the school to which they are being delivered access. Fundamentally, it's about creating a "TJ Lite" to replace the old TJ that's justified on the grounds that it's probably better than the schools those kids would have otherwise attended.
You would have a point if there was a significant negative impact to the rigor of TJ.
There isn’t, so you don’t. All you have is a few more kids taking a math class that is slightly less advanced. The product is the same and the student outputs will be the same.
People on these fora overstate the delta between their kids and other kids, and the new TJ is evidence of such.
Anonymous
04/03/2024 09:33
Subject: Reasons why one would not accept TJ offer?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does Curie offer Summer classes?
Yes, Curie offers a wide range of summer STEM courses. We are enrolled at Curie during the year for academics, and DC wants to continue challenge during the summer as well, but do something more interesting. We enrolled in Robotics & Arduinos last summer, and this summer looking forward to Product Design STEM Camp. There is also the Creative Writing Bootcamp, where as part of final project DC wrote an amazing story about visiting Galapagos Islands with their favorite Marvel characters.
Thank you we will look into those classes right way. DC is a hard core marvel fan too. lol.
We are very happy with Curie, but almost every Curie class is full. Please be considerate to existing students and don't make it more crowded. Please consider other enrichment centers.
About how many total kids go to Curie?
About 20
times hundred. Hundreds start off over their upper elementary/middle school years, but far less than a quarter complete the entire program due to fit, fast pace, and advanced curriculum. It's mostly math until trig/early precalc, applied stem science, and english.
It's honestly too bad these options aren't provided by the school system. Clearly there are kids who are interested.
Or parents who are interested. I know that some of the kids in enrichment programs are there because they want it and enjoy it. I also know a good number who are there because their parents require it and they don't particularly enjoy it. I have chatted with some of the parents of kids in DS RSM class and they have said that their kid was there because it was important but the kid hated it. There are kids who are choosing to attend enrichment, kids who go because their parents make them and are ok with it, and kids who go because their parents make them and hate it.
I know people don't want to hear this but there kids who are not accepted into TJ because their essays are "I don't want to go to TJ" and not because of random lottery picks. They have done great in all the enrichment and accelerated math but they were not there by choice. The kids know that they can not answer the essay question, flub the essay intentionally, or write that they don't want to attend TJ and that their parents will never know. I saw this first hand grading AP exams and the like.
It is easier for the kids to let parents be outraged that their child wasn't selected for whatever reason the parent can conjure then it is to tell their parents that they don't want to go to TJ.
Heck, at this moment there is a parent asking for suggestions for daily tutoring for their 6th grader so that they can do well in pre-algebra or maybe skip straight to algebra in 7th grade on this forum.
parents asking for daily tutor suggestions insist and even force their kids to attend school everyday, where as parents who don't care are the ones causing chronic absenteeism problems for their innocent child. To make it worse, that child is being lied to that they'll do great at TJ, when in reality they suffer miserablly with Cs, Ds, and Fs, when they could be somewhat successful at their base school.
So let's appreciate the parent who forces their kid to attend to school matters starting from elementary school so that they are better qualified to attend TJ.
You think the kids who are struggling with math at TJ are kids who have chronic absenteeism or parents who are not involved? A kid who is chronically absent is not going to be taking honors courses in MS and ending up with a minimum of a 3.5 GPA. TJ applicants have to have a 3.5 GPA, take honors math and science in 7th and 8th grade, take one other honors core class (LA or Social Studies), and complete Algebra 1 Honors by the end of 8th grade. These are not kids who are missing school. They are also not kids whose parents are checked out.
I would agree that the math requirement for acceptance at TJ is not rigorous enough. I think kids should have completed Geometry H by 8th grade and that kids should have to have an A in both math and science to apply. But that is a different issue then attendance or uninvolved parents.
Kids attending TJ should not have to have attended outside enrichment to be able to attend TJ. Plenty of kids have attended outside enrichment, which has strengthened their math foundations and makes the pace at TJ more manageable. That does not mean that the math at TJ is outside the bounds of kids who have not attended outside enrichment, plenty of people on this site have mentioned having kids who are doing just fine at TJ who did no outside math.
Finally, I doubt any child is being lied to about what TJ is and what TJ entails. It is a small pool of kids at each school that is eligible. They have opportunities to interact with Counselors from TJ before applying or accepting an offer. They have open houses and chances to talk to TJ students to learn about the school before applying or accepting an offer.
I think that you are a parent who wants to go back to the old system and acting like you are defending kids who would not have the opportunity to attend TJ with the old test and requirements. You are the person who acts like they want the best for "that child is being lied to that they'll do great at TJ, when in reality they suffer miserablly with Cs, Ds, and Fs, when they could be somewhat successful at their base school" because the kids who have been accepted to TJ should be doing the same in their LA and Social Studies classes as they would be doing at their base school and might be struggling with the faster pace of the math and science at TJ, meaning that they need additional help to adjust to TJs pace or move back to their base school.
Fortunately, there is very little difference between the kids being admitted before or after the changes in terms of preparedness. It's mostly a less toxic environment now which seems like a positive change.
In the old TJ, you still had students who struggled mightily. The difference was that those kids were, in many cases, getting that support from outside of the school building by hiring tutors, getting extra help, and the like. The old TJ under Glazer and Kosatka had an extreme "sink or swim" mindset where if students were struggling, the focus on the conversation was whether or not the kid belonged at TJ at all rather than how the school could support that student.
The new admissions process has brought in some students for whom the gap between middle school and high school is a little larger than it has historically been. The school under Dr. Bonitatibus has become much more friendly to the idea of helping students to navigate TJ, rather than expecting them to sink or swim on their own without any internal support. And that's a good thing.
There are still students for whom it's not the right fit, and that's fine. Some of them filter out and are replaced by a froshmore cohort that has been pretty strong year-over-year. But in the end, you have students that are getting an opportunity to be exposed to TJ that never were in years past. And that's a good thing too. Gatekeeping an educational opportunity like TJ in such a way that results in virtually zero economically disadvantaged students having access was an embarrassment to the county.
And rigging the admissions process to provide unearned extra points is pretty embarrassing as well.
1) The word “unearned” is doing a lot of work here.
2) The admissions process shouldn’t be points-based to begin with.
Kids don’t choose their parents and can’t help having middle class parents or upper middle class parents.
Nor should they be punished for having parents either whose circumstances do not allow them to support additional academic enrichment or who don’t prioritize it for whatever reason. I’m a lot more impressed by a kid who succeeds in the face of a lack of additional support than a kid who is propped up by their parents.
But a lot of parents under the old system viewed admission to TJ as an achievement for the parents or the family - as a prize to be won for the sacrifices they made.
Anonymous
04/02/2024 20:19
Subject: Reasons why one would not accept TJ offer?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does Curie offer Summer classes?
Yes, Curie offers a wide range of summer STEM courses. We are enrolled at Curie during the year for academics, and DC wants to continue challenge during the summer as well, but do something more interesting. We enrolled in Robotics & Arduinos last summer, and this summer looking forward to Product Design STEM Camp. There is also the Creative Writing Bootcamp, where as part of final project DC wrote an amazing story about visiting Galapagos Islands with their favorite Marvel characters.
Thank you we will look into those classes right way. DC is a hard core marvel fan too. lol.
We are very happy with Curie, but almost every Curie class is full. Please be considerate to existing students and don't make it more crowded. Please consider other enrichment centers.
About how many total kids go to Curie?
About 20
times hundred. Hundreds start off over their upper elementary/middle school years, but far less than a quarter complete the entire program due to fit, fast pace, and advanced curriculum. It's mostly math until trig/early precalc, applied stem science, and english.
It's honestly too bad these options aren't provided by the school system. Clearly there are kids who are interested.
Or parents who are interested. I know that some of the kids in enrichment programs are there because they want it and enjoy it. I also know a good number who are there because their parents require it and they don't particularly enjoy it. I have chatted with some of the parents of kids in DS RSM class and they have said that their kid was there because it was important but the kid hated it. There are kids who are choosing to attend enrichment, kids who go because their parents make them and are ok with it, and kids who go because their parents make them and hate it.
I know people don't want to hear this but there kids who are not accepted into TJ because their essays are "I don't want to go to TJ" and not because of random lottery picks. They have done great in all the enrichment and accelerated math but they were not there by choice. The kids know that they can not answer the essay question, flub the essay intentionally, or write that they don't want to attend TJ and that their parents will never know. I saw this first hand grading AP exams and the like.
It is easier for the kids to let parents be outraged that their child wasn't selected for whatever reason the parent can conjure then it is to tell their parents that they don't want to go to TJ.
Heck, at this moment there is a parent asking for suggestions for daily tutoring for their 6th grader so that they can do well in pre-algebra or maybe skip straight to algebra in 7th grade on this forum.
parents asking for daily tutor suggestions insist and even force their kids to attend school everyday, where as parents who don't care are the ones causing chronic absenteeism problems for their innocent child. To make it worse, that child is being lied to that they'll do great at TJ, when in reality they suffer miserablly with Cs, Ds, and Fs, when they could be somewhat successful at their base school.
So let's appreciate the parent who forces their kid to attend to school matters starting from elementary school so that they are better qualified to attend TJ.
You think the kids who are struggling with math at TJ are kids who have chronic absenteeism or parents who are not involved? A kid who is chronically absent is not going to be taking honors courses in MS and ending up with a minimum of a 3.5 GPA. TJ applicants have to have a 3.5 GPA, take honors math and science in 7th and 8th grade, take one other honors core class (LA or Social Studies), and complete Algebra 1 Honors by the end of 8th grade. These are not kids who are missing school. They are also not kids whose parents are checked out.
I would agree that the math requirement for acceptance at TJ is not rigorous enough. I think kids should have completed Geometry H by 8th grade and that kids should have to have an A in both math and science to apply. But that is a different issue then attendance or uninvolved parents.
Kids attending TJ should not have to have attended outside enrichment to be able to attend TJ. Plenty of kids have attended outside enrichment, which has strengthened their math foundations and makes the pace at TJ more manageable. That does not mean that the math at TJ is outside the bounds of kids who have not attended outside enrichment, plenty of people on this site have mentioned having kids who are doing just fine at TJ who did no outside math.
Finally, I doubt any child is being lied to about what TJ is and what TJ entails. It is a small pool of kids at each school that is eligible. They have opportunities to interact with Counselors from TJ before applying or accepting an offer. They have open houses and chances to talk to TJ students to learn about the school before applying or accepting an offer.
I think that you are a parent who wants to go back to the old system and acting like you are defending kids who would not have the opportunity to attend TJ with the old test and requirements. You are the person who acts like they want the best for "that child is being lied to that they'll do great at TJ, when in reality they suffer miserablly with Cs, Ds, and Fs, when they could be somewhat successful at their base school" because the kids who have been accepted to TJ should be doing the same in their LA and Social Studies classes as they would be doing at their base school and might be struggling with the faster pace of the math and science at TJ, meaning that they need additional help to adjust to TJs pace or move back to their base school.
Fortunately, there is very little difference between the kids being admitted before or after the changes in terms of preparedness. It's mostly a less toxic environment now which seems like a positive change.
In the old TJ, you still had students who struggled mightily. The difference was that those kids were, in many cases, getting that support from outside of the school building by hiring tutors, getting extra help, and the like. The old TJ under Glazer and Kosatka had an extreme "sink or swim" mindset where if students were struggling, the focus on the conversation was whether or not the kid belonged at TJ at all rather than how the school could support that student.
The new admissions process has brought in some students for whom the gap between middle school and high school is a little larger than it has historically been. The school under Dr. Bonitatibus has become much more friendly to the idea of helping students to navigate TJ, rather than expecting them to sink or swim on their own without any internal support. And that's a good thing.
There are still students for whom it's not the right fit, and that's fine. Some of them filter out and are replaced by a froshmore cohort that has been pretty strong year-over-year. But in the end, you have students that are getting an opportunity to be exposed to TJ that never were in years past. And that's a good thing too. Gatekeeping a educational opportunity like TJ in such a way that results in virtually zero economically disadvantaged students having access was an embarrassment to the county.
The bit about the gap being a "little large than it has historically been" sounds like a massive understatement, to which the solution of helping kids "navigate" TJ invariably will just mean reducing the rigor of the content.
You've made it all about changing the system to expand the access of economically disadvantaged students to the school without adequately considering the impact on the school to which they are being delivered access. Fundamentally, it's about creating a "TJ Lite" to replace the old TJ that's justified on the grounds that it's probably better than the schools those kids would have otherwise attended.
Anonymous
04/02/2024 19:32
Subject: Reasons why one would not accept TJ offer?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does Curie offer Summer classes?
Yes, Curie offers a wide range of summer STEM courses. We are enrolled at Curie during the year for academics, and DC wants to continue challenge during the summer as well, but do something more interesting. We enrolled in Robotics & Arduinos last summer, and this summer looking forward to Product Design STEM Camp. There is also the Creative Writing Bootcamp, where as part of final project DC wrote an amazing story about visiting Galapagos Islands with their favorite Marvel characters.
Thank you we will look into those classes right way. DC is a hard core marvel fan too. lol.
We are very happy with Curie, but almost every Curie class is full. Please be considerate to existing students and don't make it more crowded. Please consider other enrichment centers.
About how many total kids go to Curie?
About 20
times hundred. Hundreds start off over their upper elementary/middle school years, but far less than a quarter complete the entire program due to fit, fast pace, and advanced curriculum. It's mostly math until trig/early precalc, applied stem science, and english.
It's honestly too bad these options aren't provided by the school system. Clearly there are kids who are interested.
Or parents who are interested. I know that some of the kids in enrichment programs are there because they want it and enjoy it. I also know a good number who are there because their parents require it and they don't particularly enjoy it. I have chatted with some of the parents of kids in DS RSM class and they have said that their kid was there because it was important but the kid hated it. There are kids who are choosing to attend enrichment, kids who go because their parents make them and are ok with it, and kids who go because their parents make them and hate it.
I know people don't want to hear this but there kids who are not accepted into TJ because their essays are "I don't want to go to TJ" and not because of random lottery picks. They have done great in all the enrichment and accelerated math but they were not there by choice. The kids know that they can not answer the essay question, flub the essay intentionally, or write that they don't want to attend TJ and that their parents will never know. I saw this first hand grading AP exams and the like.
It is easier for the kids to let parents be outraged that their child wasn't selected for whatever reason the parent can conjure then it is to tell their parents that they don't want to go to TJ.
Heck, at this moment there is a parent asking for suggestions for daily tutoring for their 6th grader so that they can do well in pre-algebra or maybe skip straight to algebra in 7th grade on this forum.
parents asking for daily tutor suggestions insist and even force their kids to attend school everyday, where as parents who don't care are the ones causing chronic absenteeism problems for their innocent child. To make it worse, that child is being lied to that they'll do great at TJ, when in reality they suffer miserablly with Cs, Ds, and Fs, when they could be somewhat successful at their base school.
So let's appreciate the parent who forces their kid to attend to school matters starting from elementary school so that they are better qualified to attend TJ.
You think the kids who are struggling with math at TJ are kids who have chronic absenteeism or parents who are not involved? A kid who is chronically absent is not going to be taking honors courses in MS and ending up with a minimum of a 3.5 GPA. TJ applicants have to have a 3.5 GPA, take honors math and science in 7th and 8th grade, take one other honors core class (LA or Social Studies), and complete Algebra 1 Honors by the end of 8th grade. These are not kids who are missing school. They are also not kids whose parents are checked out.
I would agree that the math requirement for acceptance at TJ is not rigorous enough. I think kids should have completed Geometry H by 8th grade and that kids should have to have an A in both math and science to apply. But that is a different issue then attendance or uninvolved parents.
Kids attending TJ should not have to have attended outside enrichment to be able to attend TJ. Plenty of kids have attended outside enrichment, which has strengthened their math foundations and makes the pace at TJ more manageable. That does not mean that the math at TJ is outside the bounds of kids who have not attended outside enrichment, plenty of people on this site have mentioned having kids who are doing just fine at TJ who did no outside math.
Finally, I doubt any child is being lied to about what TJ is and what TJ entails. It is a small pool of kids at each school that is eligible. They have opportunities to interact with Counselors from TJ before applying or accepting an offer. They have open houses and chances to talk to TJ students to learn about the school before applying or accepting an offer.
I think that you are a parent who wants to go back to the old system and acting like you are defending kids who would not have the opportunity to attend TJ with the old test and requirements. You are the person who acts like they want the best for "that child is being lied to that they'll do great at TJ, when in reality they suffer miserablly with Cs, Ds, and Fs, when they could be somewhat successful at their base school" because the kids who have been accepted to TJ should be doing the same in their LA and Social Studies classes as they would be doing at their base school and might be struggling with the faster pace of the math and science at TJ, meaning that they need additional help to adjust to TJs pace or move back to their base school.
Fortunately, there is very little difference between the kids being admitted before or after the changes in terms of preparedness. It's mostly a less toxic environment now which seems like a positive change.
In the old TJ, you still had students who struggled mightily. The difference was that those kids were, in many cases, getting that support from outside of the school building by hiring tutors, getting extra help, and the like. The old TJ under Glazer and Kosatka had an extreme "sink or swim" mindset where if students were struggling, the focus on the conversation was whether or not the kid belonged at TJ at all rather than how the school could support that student.
The new admissions process has brought in some students for whom the gap between middle school and high school is a little larger than it has historically been. The school under Dr. Bonitatibus has become much more friendly to the idea of helping students to navigate TJ, rather than expecting them to sink or swim on their own without any internal support. And that's a good thing.
There are still students for whom it's not the right fit, and that's fine. Some of them filter out and are replaced by a froshmore cohort that has been pretty strong year-over-year. But in the end, you have students that are getting an opportunity to be exposed to TJ that never were in years past. And that's a good thing too. Gatekeeping an educational opportunity like TJ in such a way that results in virtually zero economically disadvantaged students having access was an embarrassment to the county.
And rigging the admissions process to provide unearned extra points is pretty embarrassing as well.
1) The word “unearned” is doing a lot of work here.
2) The admissions process shouldn’t be points-based to begin with.
Kids don’t choose their parents and can’t help having middle class parents or upper middle class parents.
Anonymous
04/02/2024 19:10
Subject: Reasons why one would not accept TJ offer?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does Curie offer Summer classes?
Yes, Curie offers a wide range of summer STEM courses. We are enrolled at Curie during the year for academics, and DC wants to continue challenge during the summer as well, but do something more interesting. We enrolled in Robotics & Arduinos last summer, and this summer looking forward to Product Design STEM Camp. There is also the Creative Writing Bootcamp, where as part of final project DC wrote an amazing story about visiting Galapagos Islands with their favorite Marvel characters.
Thank you we will look into those classes right way. DC is a hard core marvel fan too. lol.
We are very happy with Curie, but almost every Curie class is full. Please be considerate to existing students and don't make it more crowded. Please consider other enrichment centers.
About how many total kids go to Curie?
About 20
times hundred. Hundreds start off over their upper elementary/middle school years, but far less than a quarter complete the entire program due to fit, fast pace, and advanced curriculum. It's mostly math until trig/early precalc, applied stem science, and english.
The infamous ad that Curie took out in the paper listed that one-third of the upcoming TJ class had used their program.
now they dont do any paper ads since you are doing all the free publicity for them?
Anonymous
04/02/2024 18:44
Subject: Reasons why one would not accept TJ offer?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does Curie offer Summer classes?
Yes, Curie offers a wide range of summer STEM courses. We are enrolled at Curie during the year for academics, and DC wants to continue challenge during the summer as well, but do something more interesting. We enrolled in Robotics & Arduinos last summer, and this summer looking forward to Product Design STEM Camp. There is also the Creative Writing Bootcamp, where as part of final project DC wrote an amazing story about visiting Galapagos Islands with their favorite Marvel characters.
Thank you we will look into those classes right way. DC is a hard core marvel fan too. lol.
We are very happy with Curie, but almost every Curie class is full. Please be considerate to existing students and don't make it more crowded. Please consider other enrichment centers.
About how many total kids go to Curie?
About 20
times hundred. Hundreds start off over their upper elementary/middle school years, but far less than a quarter complete the entire program due to fit, fast pace, and advanced curriculum. It's mostly math until trig/early precalc, applied stem science, and english.
It's honestly too bad these options aren't provided by the school system. Clearly there are kids who are interested.
Or parents who are interested. I know that some of the kids in enrichment programs are there because they want it and enjoy it. I also know a good number who are there because their parents require it and they don't particularly enjoy it. I have chatted with some of the parents of kids in DS RSM class and they have said that their kid was there because it was important but the kid hated it. There are kids who are choosing to attend enrichment, kids who go because their parents make them and are ok with it, and kids who go because their parents make them and hate it.
I know people don't want to hear this but there kids who are not accepted into TJ because their essays are "I don't want to go to TJ" and not because of random lottery picks. They have done great in all the enrichment and accelerated math but they were not there by choice. The kids know that they can not answer the essay question, flub the essay intentionally, or write that they don't want to attend TJ and that their parents will never know. I saw this first hand grading AP exams and the like.
It is easier for the kids to let parents be outraged that their child wasn't selected for whatever reason the parent can conjure then it is to tell their parents that they don't want to go to TJ.
Heck, at this moment there is a parent asking for suggestions for daily tutoring for their 6th grader so that they can do well in pre-algebra or maybe skip straight to algebra in 7th grade on this forum.
parents asking for daily tutor suggestions insist and even force their kids to attend school everyday, where as parents who don't care are the ones causing chronic absenteeism problems for their innocent child. To make it worse, that child is being lied to that they'll do great at TJ, when in reality they suffer miserablly with Cs, Ds, and Fs, when they could be somewhat successful at their base school.
So let's appreciate the parent who forces their kid to attend to school matters starting from elementary school so that they are better qualified to attend TJ.
You think the kids who are struggling with math at TJ are kids who have chronic absenteeism or parents who are not involved? A kid who is chronically absent is not going to be taking honors courses in MS and ending up with a minimum of a 3.5 GPA. TJ applicants have to have a 3.5 GPA, take honors math and science in 7th and 8th grade, take one other honors core class (LA or Social Studies), and complete Algebra 1 Honors by the end of 8th grade. These are not kids who are missing school. They are also not kids whose parents are checked out.
I would agree that the math requirement for acceptance at TJ is not rigorous enough. I think kids should have completed Geometry H by 8th grade and that kids should have to have an A in both math and science to apply. But that is a different issue then attendance or uninvolved parents.
Kids attending TJ should not have to have attended outside enrichment to be able to attend TJ. Plenty of kids have attended outside enrichment, which has strengthened their math foundations and makes the pace at TJ more manageable. That does not mean that the math at TJ is outside the bounds of kids who have not attended outside enrichment, plenty of people on this site have mentioned having kids who are doing just fine at TJ who did no outside math.
Finally, I doubt any child is being lied to about what TJ is and what TJ entails. It is a small pool of kids at each school that is eligible. They have opportunities to interact with Counselors from TJ before applying or accepting an offer. They have open houses and chances to talk to TJ students to learn about the school before applying or accepting an offer.
I think that you are a parent who wants to go back to the old system and acting like you are defending kids who would not have the opportunity to attend TJ with the old test and requirements. You are the person who acts like they want the best for "that child is being lied to that they'll do great at TJ, when in reality they suffer miserablly with Cs, Ds, and Fs, when they could be somewhat successful at their base school" because the kids who have been accepted to TJ should be doing the same in their LA and Social Studies classes as they would be doing at their base school and might be struggling with the faster pace of the math and science at TJ, meaning that they need additional help to adjust to TJs pace or move back to their base school.
Fortunately, there is very little difference between the kids being admitted before or after the changes in terms of preparedness. It's mostly a less toxic environment now which seems like a positive change.
In the old TJ, you still had students who struggled mightily. The difference was that those kids were, in many cases, getting that support from outside of the school building by hiring tutors, getting extra help, and the like. The old TJ under Glazer and Kosatka had an extreme "sink or swim" mindset where if students were struggling, the focus on the conversation was whether or not the kid belonged at TJ at all rather than how the school could support that student.
The new admissions process has brought in some students for whom the gap between middle school and high school is a little larger than it has historically been. The school under Dr. Bonitatibus has become much more friendly to the idea of helping students to navigate TJ, rather than expecting them to sink or swim on their own without any internal support. And that's a good thing.
There are still students for whom it's not the right fit, and that's fine. Some of them filter out and are replaced by a froshmore cohort that has been pretty strong year-over-year. But in the end, you have students that are getting an opportunity to be exposed to TJ that never were in years past. And that's a good thing too. Gatekeeping an educational opportunity like TJ in such a way that results in virtually zero economically disadvantaged students having access was an embarrassment to the county.
And rigging the admissions process to provide unearned extra points is pretty embarrassing as well.
1) The word “unearned” is doing a lot of work here.
2) The admissions process shouldn’t be points-based to begin with.
Anonymous
04/02/2024 17:06
Subject: Reasons why one would not accept TJ offer?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does Curie offer Summer classes?
Yes, Curie offers a wide range of summer STEM courses. We are enrolled at Curie during the year for academics, and DC wants to continue challenge during the summer as well, but do something more interesting. We enrolled in Robotics & Arduinos last summer, and this summer looking forward to Product Design STEM Camp. There is also the Creative Writing Bootcamp, where as part of final project DC wrote an amazing story about visiting Galapagos Islands with their favorite Marvel characters.
Thank you we will look into those classes right way. DC is a hard core marvel fan too. lol.
We are very happy with Curie, but almost every Curie class is full. Please be considerate to existing students and don't make it more crowded. Please consider other enrichment centers.
About how many total kids go to Curie?
About 20
times hundred. Hundreds start off over their upper elementary/middle school years, but far less than a quarter complete the entire program due to fit, fast pace, and advanced curriculum. It's mostly math until trig/early precalc, applied stem science, and english.
It's honestly too bad these options aren't provided by the school system. Clearly there are kids who are interested.
Or parents who are interested. I know that some of the kids in enrichment programs are there because they want it and enjoy it. I also know a good number who are there because their parents require it and they don't particularly enjoy it. I have chatted with some of the parents of kids in DS RSM class and they have said that their kid was there because it was important but the kid hated it. There are kids who are choosing to attend enrichment, kids who go because their parents make them and are ok with it, and kids who go because their parents make them and hate it.
I know people don't want to hear this but there kids who are not accepted into TJ because their essays are "I don't want to go to TJ" and not because of random lottery picks. They have done great in all the enrichment and accelerated math but they were not there by choice. The kids know that they can not answer the essay question, flub the essay intentionally, or write that they don't want to attend TJ and that their parents will never know. I saw this first hand grading AP exams and the like.
It is easier for the kids to let parents be outraged that their child wasn't selected for whatever reason the parent can conjure then it is to tell their parents that they don't want to go to TJ.
Heck, at this moment there is a parent asking for suggestions for daily tutoring for their 6th grader so that they can do well in pre-algebra or maybe skip straight to algebra in 7th grade on this forum.
parents asking for daily tutor suggestions insist and even force their kids to attend school everyday, where as parents who don't care are the ones causing chronic absenteeism problems for their innocent child. To make it worse, that child is being lied to that they'll do great at TJ, when in reality they suffer miserablly with Cs, Ds, and Fs, when they could be somewhat successful at their base school.
So let's appreciate the parent who forces their kid to attend to school matters starting from elementary school so that they are better qualified to attend TJ.
You think the kids who are struggling with math at TJ are kids who have chronic absenteeism or parents who are not involved? A kid who is chronically absent is not going to be taking honors courses in MS and ending up with a minimum of a 3.5 GPA. TJ applicants have to have a 3.5 GPA, take honors math and science in 7th and 8th grade, take one other honors core class (LA or Social Studies), and complete Algebra 1 Honors by the end of 8th grade. These are not kids who are missing school. They are also not kids whose parents are checked out.
I would agree that the math requirement for acceptance at TJ is not rigorous enough. I think kids should have completed Geometry H by 8th grade and that kids should have to have an A in both math and science to apply. But that is a different issue then attendance or uninvolved parents.
Kids attending TJ should not have to have attended outside enrichment to be able to attend TJ. Plenty of kids have attended outside enrichment, which has strengthened their math foundations and makes the pace at TJ more manageable. That does not mean that the math at TJ is outside the bounds of kids who have not attended outside enrichment, plenty of people on this site have mentioned having kids who are doing just fine at TJ who did no outside math.
Finally, I doubt any child is being lied to about what TJ is and what TJ entails. It is a small pool of kids at each school that is eligible. They have opportunities to interact with Counselors from TJ before applying or accepting an offer. They have open houses and chances to talk to TJ students to learn about the school before applying or accepting an offer.
I think that you are a parent who wants to go back to the old system and acting like you are defending kids who would not have the opportunity to attend TJ with the old test and requirements. You are the person who acts like they want the best for "that child is being lied to that they'll do great at TJ, when in reality they suffer miserablly with Cs, Ds, and Fs, when they could be somewhat successful at their base school" because the kids who have been accepted to TJ should be doing the same in their LA and Social Studies classes as they would be doing at their base school and might be struggling with the faster pace of the math and science at TJ, meaning that they need additional help to adjust to TJs pace or move back to their base school.
Fortunately, there is very little difference between the kids being admitted before or after the changes in terms of preparedness. It's mostly a less toxic environment now which seems like a positive change.
In the old TJ, you still had students who struggled mightily. The difference was that those kids were, in many cases, getting that support from outside of the school building by hiring tutors, getting extra help, and the like. The old TJ under Glazer and Kosatka had an extreme "sink or swim" mindset where if students were struggling, the focus on the conversation was whether or not the kid belonged at TJ at all rather than how the school could support that student.
The new admissions process has brought in some students for whom the gap between middle school and high school is a little larger than it has historically been. The school under Dr. Bonitatibus has become much more friendly to the idea of helping students to navigate TJ, rather than expecting them to sink or swim on their own without any internal support. And that's a good thing.
There are still students for whom it's not the right fit, and that's fine. Some of them filter out and are replaced by a froshmore cohort that has been pretty strong year-over-year. But in the end, you have students that are getting an opportunity to be exposed to TJ that never were in years past. And that's a good thing too. Gatekeeping a educational opportunity like TJ in such a way that results in virtually zero economically disadvantaged students having access was an embarrassment to the county.
BINGO!