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The impact it SHOULD have is for cops to realize that it's not necessary to pin someone to the ground such that they can't breathe, particularly when they aren't armed and weren't resisting. Or to not let someone slam around in the back of a van without a seatbelt. I mean you at least have enough training to not let them hit their heads getting into the back of a cruiser, don'cha?

The impact SHOULD be that maybe cops should take a few minutes out of their day to look at the literal thousands of videos all over Youtube and everywhere else, and the dozens of new ones that get posted every day, which shows cops acting like complete a-holes?

Police really need to work on their reputation and restore community faith and trust in them. But instead police continue to go around acting self righteous, pretending there's no such thing as police abuse, or worse yet, collecting a check but not doing the job.


+ 1000

Curious if the two posters above actually have any experience in law enforcement, or any families members who have worked in law enforcement. My guess is no. And I don't view it as "self righteous" to remind the "defund the police" crowd that when their babies get carjacked in Georgetown, or they get whacked in the back of the head on the National Mall, or when they are innocent bystanders in a U Street shootout, then they actually might need the police . . .

We are PAYING for the police - who just sit in their cars, scrolling through tik tok videos, can't even be bothered to show up for most of the crimes happening in this city.

The police don’t want to go to jail either.

Reality check: Despite the handful of cases that were high profile in the news like Derek Chauvin, police have less than a 0.1% chance of being prosecuted for something that happened in the line of duty. Spare us that crap. Like I shouldn't go and do MY job because there's a less than 0.1% chance of me getting struck by lightning? Give me a break.

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The impact it SHOULD have is for cops to realize that it's not necessary to pin someone to the ground such that they can't breathe, particularly when they aren't armed and weren't resisting. Or to not let someone slam around in the back of a van without a seatbelt. I mean you at least have enough training to not let them hit their heads getting into the back of a cruiser, don'cha?

The impact SHOULD be that maybe cops should take a few minutes out of their day to look at the literal thousands of videos all over Youtube and everywhere else, and the dozens of new ones that get posted every day, which shows cops acting like complete a-holes?

Police really need to work on their reputation and restore community faith and trust in them. But instead police continue to go around acting self righteous, pretending there's no such thing as police abuse, or worse yet, collecting a check but not doing the job.


+ 1000

Curious if the two posters above actually have any experience in law enforcement, or any families members who have worked in law enforcement. My guess is no. And I don't view it as "self righteous" to remind the "defund the police" crowd that when their babies get carjacked in Georgetown, or they get whacked in the back of the head on the National Mall, or when they are innocent bystanders in a U Street shootout, then they actually might need the police . . .

We are PAYING for the police - who just sit in their cars, scrolling through tik tok videos, can't even be bothered to show up for most of the crimes happening in this city.

The police don’t want to go to jail either.

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Anonymous wrote:The DC Court of Appeals just issued an awful 4th Amendment decision making it more difficult to prosecute gun possession cases. Terrible. The police saw a person very suspiciously remove a coat as if he wanted to conceal something in the pocket. They looked at the coat and there was a gun inside. This was ruled to be unconstitutional and guy goes free. https://www.dccourts.gov/sites/default/files/2024-01/Champion%20v%20US%2018-CF-1128.pdf

Of course after this arrest, the defendant Juwan Champion was later charged in a big drug trafficking case: https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/four-men-charged-drug-trafficking-conspiracy-including-two-charged-possession-machine-gun

Same guy just plead guilty last month to robbing a pharmacy van:
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/final-defendant-pleads-guilty-armed-robbery-pharmacy-van

I can’t get over how the judges decided that the fact that the dude was in a high crime area, acting nervous, and took off his coat looking like he had something to hide, was NOT “reasonable suspicion.” Of course it was reasonable, based on the fact that he *indeed found a gun.* I hope Trump appointed judges restore sanity here, which is something I never expected to say.

They are following the precedent set by Judges Easterly and Deahl in their previous wacky 4th Amendment ruling earlier in 2023:
https://www.dccourts.gov/sites/default/files/2023-04/T.W.%20v.%20United%20States%2C%2019-CF-0849.pdf

Deahl was appointed by Trump. And he definitely would've agreed with Easterley and Beckwith on this opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:The DC Court of Appeals just issued an awful 4th Amendment decision making it more difficult to prosecute gun possession cases. Terrible. The police saw a person very suspiciously remove a coat as if he wanted to conceal something in the pocket. They looked at the coat and there was a gun inside. This was ruled to be unconstitutional and guy goes free. https://www.dccourts.gov/sites/default/files/2024-01/Champion%20v%20US%2018-CF-1128.pdf

Of course after this arrest, the defendant Juwan Champion was later charged in a big drug trafficking case: https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/four-men-charged-drug-trafficking-conspiracy-including-two-charged-possession-machine-gun

Same guy just plead guilty last month to robbing a pharmacy van:
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/final-defendant-pleads-guilty-armed-robbery-pharmacy-van

I can’t get over how the judges decided that the fact that the dude was in a high crime area, acting nervous, and took off his coat looking like he had something to hide, was NOT “reasonable suspicion.” Of course it was reasonable, based on the fact that he *indeed found a gun.* I hope Trump appointed judges restore sanity here, which is something I never expected to say.

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Anonymous wrote:The DC Court of Appeals just issued an awful 4th Amendment decision making it more difficult to prosecute gun possession cases. Terrible. The police saw a person very suspiciously remove a coat as if he wanted to conceal something in the pocket. They looked at the coat and there was a gun inside. This was ruled to be unconstitutional and guy goes free. https://www.dccourts.gov/sites/default/files/2024-01/Champion%20v%20US%2018-CF-1128.pdf

Of course after this arrest, the defendant Juwan Champion was later charged in a big drug trafficking case: https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/four-men-charged-drug-trafficking-conspiracy-including-two-charged-possession-machine-gun

Same guy just plead guilty last month to robbing a pharmacy van:
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/final-defendant-pleads-guilty-armed-robbery-pharmacy-van

Anonymous wrote:The DC Court of Appeals just issued an awful 4th Amendment decision making it more difficult to prosecute gun possession cases. Terrible. The police saw a person very suspiciously remove a coat as if he wanted to conceal something in the pocket. They looked at the coat and there was a gun inside. This was ruled to be unconstitutional and guy goes free. https://www.dccourts.gov/sites/default/files/2024-01/Champion%20v%20US%2018-CF-1128.pdf

Of course after this arrest, the defendant Juwan Champion was later charged in a big drug trafficking case: https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/four-men-charged-drug-trafficking-conspiracy-including-two-charged-possession-machine-gun

Anonymous wrote:The DC Court of Appeals just issued an awful 4th Amendment decision making it more difficult to prosecute gun possession cases. Terrible. The police saw a person very suspiciously remove a coat as if he wanted to conceal something in the pocket. They looked at the coat and there was a gun inside. This was ruled to be unconstitutional and guy goes free. https://www.dccourts.gov/sites/default/files/2024-01/Champion%20v%20US%2018-CF-1128.pdf

Of course after this arrest, the defendant Juwan Champion was later charged in a big drug trafficking case: https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/four-men-charged-drug-trafficking-conspiracy-including-two-charged-possession-machine-gun

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The impact it SHOULD have is for cops to realize that it's not necessary to pin someone to the ground such that they can't breathe, particularly when they aren't armed and weren't resisting. Or to not let someone slam around in the back of a van without a seatbelt. I mean you at least have enough training to not let them hit their heads getting into the back of a cruiser, don'cha?

The impact SHOULD be that maybe cops should take a few minutes out of their day to look at the literal thousands of videos all over Youtube and everywhere else, and the dozens of new ones that get posted every day, which shows cops acting like complete a-holes?

Police really need to work on their reputation and restore community faith and trust in them. But instead police continue to go around acting self righteous, pretending there's no such thing as police abuse, or worse yet, collecting a check but not doing the job.


+ 1000

Curious if the two posters above actually have any experience in law enforcement, or any families members who have worked in law enforcement. My guess is no. And I don't view it as "self righteous" to remind the "defund the police" crowd that when their babies get carjacked in Georgetown, or they get whacked in the back of the head on the National Mall, or when they are innocent bystanders in a U Street shootout, then they actually might need the police . . .

We are PAYING for the police - who just sit in their cars, scrolling through tik tok videos, can't even be bothered to show up for most of the crimes happening in this city.

Anonymous wrote:Bad guys need to: (1) get caught, and (2) go to jail for a long time. Period. End of story. We need to take our city back.

We simply cannot live with the carjackings, property crimes, shootings, and chaos with no consequences for the perpetrators.

Who in local politics can make this happen?

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The impact it SHOULD have is for cops to realize that it's not necessary to pin someone to the ground such that they can't breathe, particularly when they aren't armed and weren't resisting. Or to not let someone slam around in the back of a van without a seatbelt. I mean you at least have enough training to not let them hit their heads getting into the back of a cruiser, don'cha?

The impact SHOULD be that maybe cops should take a few minutes out of their day to look at the literal thousands of videos all over Youtube and everywhere else, and the dozens of new ones that get posted every day, which shows cops acting like complete a-holes?

Police really need to work on their reputation and restore community faith and trust in them. But instead police continue to go around acting self righteous, pretending there's no such thing as police abuse, or worse yet, collecting a check but not doing the job.


+ 1000

Curious if the two posters above actually have any experience in law enforcement, or any families members who have worked in law enforcement. My guess is no. And I don't view it as "self righteous" to remind the "defund the police" crowd that when their babies get carjacked in Georgetown, or they get whacked in the back of the head on the National Mall, or when they are innocent bystanders in a U Street shootout, then they actually might need the police . . .

That's completely non-responsive to what the posters above actually posted.

And, regarding your "defund the police" BS here's a reality check for you with some points from another thread:


- DC did not defund MPD. A 2.8% cut does not make that a credible claim.

- DC is not trying to gut MPD staffing. They are offering generous recruitment bonuses.

- DC did not restrict MPD with laws keeping them from doing their jobs.

- DC is not prosecuting MPD officers for doing their jobs. The extremely low prosecution rate of less than 0.2% does not make that a credible claim.

- DC is not trying to hamper prosecutions, their regaining components of accreditation for the Crime Lab shows this.

Could DC do more? Sure. But to claim that DC is defunding police or does not want policing in the face of all of those facts is nothing short of disingenuously idiotic.

Curious to know if education was cut by 2.8% would you see that as a nothingburger.

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The impact it SHOULD have is for cops to realize that it's not necessary to pin someone to the ground such that they can't breathe, particularly when they aren't armed and weren't resisting. Or to not let someone slam around in the back of a van without a seatbelt. I mean you at least have enough training to not let them hit their heads getting into the back of a cruiser, don'cha?

The impact SHOULD be that maybe cops should take a few minutes out of their day to look at the literal thousands of videos all over Youtube and everywhere else, and the dozens of new ones that get posted every day, which shows cops acting like complete a-holes?

Police really need to work on their reputation and restore community faith and trust in them. But instead police continue to go around acting self righteous, pretending there's no such thing as police abuse, or worse yet, collecting a check but not doing the job.


+ 1000

Curious if the two posters above actually have any experience in law enforcement, or any families members who have worked in law enforcement. My guess is no. And I don't view it as "self righteous" to remind the "defund the police" crowd that when their babies get carjacked in Georgetown, or they get whacked in the back of the head on the National Mall, or when they are innocent bystanders in a U Street shootout, then they actually might need the police . . .

That's completely non-responsive to what the posters above actually posted.

And, regarding your "defund the police" BS here's a reality check for you with some points from another thread:


- DC did not defund MPD. A 2.8% cut does not make that a credible claim.

- DC is not trying to gut MPD staffing. They are offering generous recruitment bonuses.

- DC did not restrict MPD with laws keeping them from doing their jobs.

- DC is not prosecuting MPD officers for doing their jobs. The extremely low prosecution rate of less than 0.2% does not make that a credible claim.

- DC is not trying to hamper prosecutions, their regaining components of accreditation for the Crime Lab shows this.

Could DC do more? Sure. But to claim that DC is defunding police or does not want policing in the face of all of those facts is nothing short of disingenuously idiotic.

Curious to know if education was cut by 2.8% would you see that as a nothingburger.

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The impact it SHOULD have is for cops to realize that it's not necessary to pin someone to the ground such that they can't breathe, particularly when they aren't armed and weren't resisting. Or to not let someone slam around in the back of a van without a seatbelt. I mean you at least have enough training to not let them hit their heads getting into the back of a cruiser, don'cha?

The impact SHOULD be that maybe cops should take a few minutes out of their day to look at the literal thousands of videos all over Youtube and everywhere else, and the dozens of new ones that get posted every day, which shows cops acting like complete a-holes?

Police really need to work on their reputation and restore community faith and trust in them. But instead police continue to go around acting self righteous, pretending there's no such thing as police abuse, or worse yet, collecting a check but not doing the job.


+ 1000

Curious if the two posters above actually have any experience in law enforcement, or any families members who have worked in law enforcement. My guess is no. And I don't view it as "self righteous" to remind the "defund the police" crowd that when their babies get carjacked in Georgetown, or they get whacked in the back of the head on the National Mall, or when they are innocent bystanders in a U Street shootout, then they actually might need the police . . .

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:


The impact it SHOULD have is for cops to realize that it's not necessary to pin someone to the ground such that they can't breathe, particularly when they aren't armed and weren't resisting. Or to not let someone slam around in the back of a van without a seatbelt. I mean you at least have enough training to not let them hit their heads getting into the back of a cruiser, don'cha?

The impact SHOULD be that maybe cops should take a few minutes out of their day to look at the literal thousands of videos all over Youtube and everywhere else, and the dozens of new ones that get posted every day, which shows cops acting like complete a-holes?

Police really need to work on their reputation and restore community faith and trust in them. But instead police continue to go around acting self righteous, pretending there's no such thing as police abuse, or worse yet, collecting a check but not doing the job.


+ 1000

Curious if the two posters above actually have any experience in law enforcement, or any families members who have worked in law enforcement. My guess is no. And I don't view it as "self righteous" to remind the "defund the police" crowd that when their babies get carjacked in Georgetown, or they get whacked in the back of the head on the National Mall, or when they are innocent bystanders in a U Street shootout, then they actually might need the police . . .

That's completely non-responsive to what the posters above actually posted.

And, regarding your "defund the police" BS here's a reality check for you with some points from another thread:


- DC did not defund MPD. A 2.8% cut does not make that a credible claim.

- DC is not trying to gut MPD staffing. They are offering generous recruitment bonuses.

- DC did not restrict MPD with laws keeping them from doing their jobs.

- DC is not prosecuting MPD officers for doing their jobs. The extremely low prosecution rate of less than 0.2% does not make that a credible claim.

- DC is not trying to hamper prosecutions, their regaining components of accreditation for the Crime Lab shows this.

Could DC do more? Sure. But to claim that DC is defunding police or does not want policing in the face of all of those facts is nothing short of disingenuously idiotic.

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44% fewer arrests, because of a 2.8% budget cut?

I smell a rat. What I see from those numbers is that 44% of MPD just stopped doing their jobs because they are butthurt over "defund the police" talk that only amounted to 2.8%. Those cops are in violation of their oath of duty and are fraudulently collecting checks from DC taxpayers.

I don’t blame police for things like this. If they stop arresting criminals, it’s for a reason. Like they know the criminals will be out on the streets again the next day so why bother. The issue is the prosecutors, and the laws.

What would you say about a DC government or federal employee who refused to do their job because they didn't like the rhetoric coming from conservatives about government workers?

They'd rightly be fired.

Oh pulease. We watched plenty of government workers phone it in over the pandemic even to this day, and no one was fired.

Yeah sure Sparky - you probably live in Iowa, have never set foot in DC, and the only thing you've "watched" about government workers is the crap they fed you on FAUX News. Or maybe you're one of the ones who thinks FOX is too liberal for ya.

Nope here in MoCo home of the second to last school districts in the nation to open up schools. I saw how some of my DS teachers couldn't even be bothered to have live classes over Zoom for 1.5 years.