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Anonymous wrote:I suspect the ones clamoring for grandchildren are also the least likely to help out with babysitting or to visit. They just want the status symbol of telling their friends how many grandkids they have and don't want to help out current parents in a world that has made it much harder to raise children than they experienced.

Why should we help out? Our parents did not help us neither did any previous generation parents since dawn of time.

My grandparents had 8 kids and we lived 3,000 miles away yet somehow my mom had four kids and me three kids. Today the precious snowflakes wit two kids except both grandparents helping, daycare, babysitters, after school programs, summer camps. Raise your own damn kids.

All I ask, marry well, have 2-3 kids, buy a house and have me over thanksgiving, Xmas, kids birthday parties. I am not your servant. I raises my kids.

Anonymous wrote:OP - my kids may have kids yet. Buy I had a brother who literally worked 60 hours a week for 40 years to make a ton of money and his wife stayed home running around with kid, paying college, paying grad school, paying for wedding.

After all that they announce the decided not to have kids. (Why even get married?)

My brother sold the family home, (no point having it as no Xmas or Thanksgiving or family parties with a house full of grandkids), sold his collector car he loved as no grand kid to leave it to.

They retired to a HOA in Florida with their now “worthless” millions. No one to leave it to. They go to early bird special, play golf. Soon their DNA will disappear along with their branch of the family tree.

Would it have killed their daughter just to pop out a kid or two?

My brother aged 10 years overnight. His entire 40 years of work means nothing and his wife doming multiple rounds of fertility treatment to have kid and quitting work to be a SAHM now all meaningless

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Anonymous wrote:I suspect the ones clamoring for grandchildren are also the least likely to help out with babysitting or to visit. They just want the status symbol of telling their friends how many grandkids they have and don't want to help out current parents in a world that has made it much harder to raise children than they experienced.

Why should we help out? Our parents did not help us neither did any previous generation parents since dawn of time.

My grandparents had 8 kids and we lived 3,000 miles away yet somehow my mom had four kids and me three kids. Today the precious snowflakes wit two kids except both grandparents helping, daycare, babysitters, after school programs, summer camps. Raise your own damn kids.

All I ask, marry well, have 2-3 kids, buy a house and have me over thanksgiving, Xmas, kids birthday parties. I am not your servant. I raises my kids.

All I ask… as if it’s a tiny thing! Those are huge asks! Why would you ask that they marry or have kids (specifically 2-3 kids)? You’re correct in that you’re not their servant but perhaps in the same way, neither are they yours. They get to choose their life and if you want, you can be happy for them and support their choices.

Less than two is weird and more than four is a cult. Pretty much 2-3 is normal. Honestly two is bare minimum for a couple to break even.

I assume a married women with no kids she is the in the closet guys beard. Or worse he will run off at 55 with a 35 year old and start a family

I have a creepy cousin around 63 with his 62 year old wife. No kids. His sister has three. His dad still alive. It is weird in their place. Got that old people waiting to die smell with no kids

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Anonymous wrote:I suspect the ones clamoring for grandchildren are also the least likely to help out with babysitting or to visit. They just want the status symbol of telling their friends how many grandkids they have and don't want to help out current parents in a world that has made it much harder to raise children than they experienced.

Why should we help out? Our parents did not help us neither did any previous generation parents since dawn of time.

My grandparents had 8 kids and we lived 3,000 miles away yet somehow my mom had four kids and me three kids. Today the precious snowflakes wit two kids except both grandparents helping, daycare, babysitters, after school programs, summer camps. Raise your own damn kids.

All I ask, marry well, have 2-3 kids, buy a house and have me over thanksgiving, Xmas, kids birthday parties. I am not your servant. I raises my kids.

Oh yes let me bully my my children into having grandchildren that I will ignore all year and then want to socialize twice a year for the culturally mandated times when you're expected to want to spend time with family and then go back to ignoring them.

Isn't the point of wanting to have grandchildren is wanting to have a relationship with the grandchildren?

Involved in your grandchildren's life does not mean that you are raising them for the parents. I am absolutely willing to bet that you op hired childcare at some point. And if you didn't it's not like you're going to get some magical gold star for never hiring a babysitter or having family help out

OP for my three kids I never hired a babysitter or had childcare once. We saw grandparents at our house or a venues for bigger events when we threw birthday parties, baptisms, communions, sweet 16s and graduations. They did host Xmas each year and we went over their Mother’s Day, Father’s Day and their birthdays. They raised their kids not their job to raise our kids.

My parents and my husband's parents have offered to take care of their grandchildren on occasion because they actually enjoy spending time with their grandchildren and they understand the importance of parents having a break to go out for a childfree dinner or see a show. It's strange to me that you think that occasionally getting childcare is the same thing as expecting other people to raise your children and I'm sorry that you did not have support. Maybe that gave you a self aggrandizing attitude that you were the only person who could take care of your children

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Anonymous wrote:I suspect the ones clamoring for grandchildren are also the least likely to help out with babysitting or to visit. They just want the status symbol of telling their friends how many grandkids they have and don't want to help out current parents in a world that has made it much harder to raise children than they experienced.

Why should we help out? Our parents did not help us neither did any previous generation parents since dawn of time.

My grandparents had 8 kids and we lived 3,000 miles away yet somehow my mom had four kids and me three kids. Today the precious snowflakes wit two kids except both grandparents helping, daycare, babysitters, after school programs, summer camps. Raise your own damn kids.

All I ask, marry well, have 2-3 kids, buy a house and have me over thanksgiving, Xmas, kids birthday parties. I am not your servant. I raises my kids.

Oh yes let me bully my my children into having grandchildren that I will ignore all year and then want to socialize twice a year for the culturally mandated times when you're expected to want to spend time with family and then go back to ignoring them.

Isn't the point of wanting to have grandchildren is wanting to have a relationship with the grandchildren?

Involved in your grandchildren's life does not mean that you are raising them for the parents. I am absolutely willing to bet that you op hired childcare at some point. And if you didn't it's not like you're going to get some magical gold star for never hiring a babysitter or having family help out

OP for my three kids I never hired a babysitter or had childcare once. We saw grandparents at our house or a venues for bigger events when we threw birthday parties, baptisms, communions, sweet 16s and graduations. They did host Xmas each year and we went over their Mother’s Day, Father’s Day and their birthdays. They raised their kids not their job to raise our kids.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suspect the ones clamoring for grandchildren are also the least likely to help out with babysitting or to visit. They just want the status symbol of telling their friends how many grandkids they have and don't want to help out current parents in a world that has made it much harder to raise children than they experienced.

Why should we help out? Our parents did not help us neither did any previous generation parents since dawn of time.

My grandparents had 8 kids and we lived 3,000 miles away yet somehow my mom had four kids and me three kids. Today the precious snowflakes wit two kids except both grandparents helping, daycare, babysitters, after school programs, summer camps. Raise your own damn kids.

All I ask, marry well, have 2-3 kids, buy a house and have me over thanksgiving, Xmas, kids birthday parties. I am not your servant. I raises my kids.

Oh yes let me bully my my children into having grandchildren that I will ignore all year and then want to socialize twice a year for the culturally mandated times when you're expected to want to spend time with family and then go back to ignoring them.

Isn't the point of wanting to have grandchildren is wanting to have a relationship with the grandchildren?

Involved in your grandchildren's life does not mean that you are raising them for the parents. I am absolutely willing to bet that you op hired childcare at some point. And if you didn't it's not like you're going to get some magical gold star for never hiring a babysitter or having family help out

OP for my three kids I never hired a babysitter or had childcare once. We saw grandparents at our house or a venues for bigger events when we threw birthday parties, baptisms, communions, sweet 16s and graduations. They did host Xmas each year and we went over their Mother’s Day, Father’s Day and their birthdays. They raised their kids not their job to raise our kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I suspect the ones clamoring for grandchildren are also the least likely to help out with babysitting or to visit. They just want the status symbol of telling their friends how many grandkids they have and don't want to help out current parents in a world that has made it much harder to raise children than they experienced.

Why should we help out? Our parents did not help us neither did any previous generation parents since dawn of time.

My grandparents had 8 kids and we lived 3,000 miles away yet somehow my mom had four kids and me three kids. Today the precious snowflakes wit two kids except both grandparents helping, daycare, babysitters, after school programs, summer camps. Raise your own damn kids.

All I ask, marry well, have 2-3 kids, buy a house and have me over thanksgiving, Xmas, kids birthday parties. I am not your servant. I raises my kids.

Oh yes let me bully my my children into having grandchildren that I will ignore all year and then want to socialize twice a year for the culturally mandated times when you're expected to want to spend time with family and then go back to ignoring them.

Isn't the point of wanting to have grandchildren is wanting to have a relationship with the grandchildren?

Involved in your grandchildren's life does not mean that you are raising them for the parents. I am absolutely willing to bet that you op hired childcare at some point. And if you didn't it's not like you're going to get some magical gold star for never hiring a babysitter or having family help out

OP for my three kids I never hired a babysitter or had childcare once. We saw grandparents at our house or a venues for bigger events when we threw birthday parties, baptisms, communions, sweet 16s and graduations. They did host Xmas each year and we went over their Mother’s Day, Father’s Day and their birthdays. They raised their kids not their job to raise our kids.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suspect the ones clamoring for grandchildren are also the least likely to help out with babysitting or to visit. They just want the status symbol of telling their friends how many grandkids they have and don't want to help out current parents in a world that has made it much harder to raise children than they experienced.

Why should we help out? Our parents did not help us neither did any previous generation parents since dawn of time.

My grandparents had 8 kids and we lived 3,000 miles away yet somehow my mom had four kids and me three kids. Today the precious snowflakes wit two kids except both grandparents helping, daycare, babysitters, after school programs, summer camps. Raise your own damn kids.

All I ask, marry well, have 2-3 kids, buy a house and have me over thanksgiving, Xmas, kids birthday parties. I am not your servant. I raises my kids.

Oh yes let me bully my my children into having grandchildren that I will ignore all year and then want to socialize twice a year for the culturally mandated times when you're expected to want to spend time with family and then go back to ignoring them.

Isn't the point of wanting to have grandchildren is wanting to have a relationship with the grandchildren?

Involved in your grandchildren's life does not mean that you are raising them for the parents. I am absolutely willing to bet that you op hired childcare at some point. And if you didn't it's not like you're going to get some magical gold star for never hiring a babysitter or having family help out

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suspect the ones clamoring for grandchildren are also the least likely to help out with babysitting or to visit. They just want the status symbol of telling their friends how many grandkids they have and don't want to help out current parents in a world that has made it much harder to raise children than they experienced.

Why should we help out? Our parents did not help us neither did any previous generation parents since dawn of time.

My grandparents had 8 kids and we lived 3,000 miles away yet somehow my mom had four kids and me three kids. Today the precious snowflakes wit two kids except both grandparents helping, daycare, babysitters, after school programs, summer camps. Raise your own damn kids.

All I ask, marry well, have 2-3 kids, buy a house and have me over thanksgiving, Xmas, kids birthday parties. I am not your servant. I raises my kids.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suspect the ones clamoring for grandchildren are also the least likely to help out with babysitting or to visit. They just want the status symbol of telling their friends how many grandkids they have and don't want to help out current parents in a world that has made it much harder to raise children than they experienced.

Why should we help out? Our parents did not help us neither did any previous generation parents since dawn of time.

My grandparents had 8 kids and we lived 3,000 miles away yet somehow my mom had four kids and me three kids. Today the precious snowflakes wit two kids except both grandparents helping, daycare, babysitters, after school programs, summer camps. Raise your own damn kids.

All I ask, marry well, have 2-3 kids, buy a house and have me over thanksgiving, Xmas, kids birthday parties. I am not your servant. I raises my kids.

All I ask… as if it’s a tiny thing! Those are huge asks! Why would you ask that they marry or have kids (specifically 2-3 kids)? You’re correct in that you’re not their servant but perhaps in the same way, neither are they yours. They get to choose their life and if you want, you can be happy for them and support their choices.

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Anonymous wrote:I suspect the ones clamoring for grandchildren are also the least likely to help out with babysitting or to visit. They just want the status symbol of telling their friends how many grandkids they have and don't want to help out current parents in a world that has made it much harder to raise children than they experienced.

Why should we help out? Our parents did not help us neither did any previous generation parents since dawn of time.

My grandparents had 8 kids and we lived 3,000 miles away yet somehow my mom had four kids and me three kids. Today the precious snowflakes wit two kids except both grandparents helping, daycare, babysitters, after school programs, summer camps. Raise your own damn kids.

All I ask, marry well, have 2-3 kids, buy a house and have me over thanksgiving, Xmas, kids birthday parties. I am not your servant. I raises my kids.