Anonymous wrote:These rulings will be most harmful to non-legacy whites and Asians. Colleges have begun phasing out the ACT/SAT in anticipation of this, and graduate programs will do the same for the LSAT/MCAT/etc. It will be far more difficult for plaintiffs to prove a constitutional violation when colleges stop collecting test scores entirely. Non-legacy, non-URM applicants will no longer be able to get admitted on the basis of strong test scores.

Actually- not true.

Case in point: MIT took away tests and put them right back in. Because it measures the success of the student.

https://news.mit.edu/2022/stuart-schmill-sat-act-requirement-0328

These rulings will be most harmful towards blacks and Hispanics and they now will not even attempt to do well in school to even try to go to college.

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Anonymous wrote:What kind if personality can a child have when they were pushed to do worksheets and study for tests since very early age?

When they didn’t have free time, play time, unstructured time?

When they were not given any space to develop their own interests and passions, but were told by their parents that it was decided for them they must become a doctor/engineer/lawyer?

This is a recipe for a very plain personality.

Take the L, pp and move on. Or, should I say take the "B" for "bigot."
You believe that people who excel (and are of a certain ethnicity - you don't say this, but we know who you are talking about) spend all their time studying and doing rote worksheets and are precluded from playing with others. You think these kids are forced into certain occupations by their parents. And, as a result, they are "plain" people.

You are pushing a stereotype that is totally false. I just have to wonder how many of these kids you know.

It’s not stereotype. This what I see in Asian families in DC’s school. It’s true. Admit it.

DC’s Indian friend jokes they have four options - to become a doctor, a lawyer, an engineer or an embarrassment to their family.

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Omg.

You don’t even want people getting in with hard work and talent. You want them to grift through life.

Asians are getting in with higher scores and more extracurriculars because you didn’t want us there to begin with. Kinda like what the Jews dealt with. So it didn’t start with us- there was always a quota, always racism that we figured out how to overcome. And then…. When that wasn’t enough, they lowered the bar for everyone but us.

That is racism. That’s discrimination.

There are 100 Indian kids with perfect test scores who play violin and tennis. Only 20 of them get in. And now you scream about discrimination.

The schools are now interested in other qualities. Times have changed. Accept the fact that test prep + violin + tennis package doesn’t work any more.

True. And we have adjusted our methods to make sure we are completely white washed to erase our culture to adjust for your racist views.

Asian kids play sports. They volunteer and start businesses. They also learn non-Asian rare languages and take geometry in 7th grade but also take art. They get involved in politics and take internships at the White House.

You think we are all the same.

And that’s why we have are getting into college in spite of your racism.

These rulings will be most harmful to non-legacy whites and Asians. Colleges have begun phasing out the ACT/SAT in anticipation of this, and graduate programs will do the same for the LSAT/MCAT/etc. It will be far more difficult for plaintiffs to prove a constitutional violation when colleges stop collecting test scores entirely. Non-legacy, non-URM applicants will no longer be able to get admitted on the basis of strong test scores.

Maybe people should be more upset with the poor education that too many black and brown kids get in K-12 schools.
The expectations are low, the rigor isn't there, and underachieving kids just keep getting passed up the grades despite not meeting standards.
More needs to be done to help minority students achieve long before they reach college age.

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And, you are implying that Asian students have nothing more to offer than the ability to ace tests.
How bigoted can you be? Do you think they have nothing more to offer? Asian kids are not a monolith.

Yes, this is exactly what I’m implying. And Harvard knows this.

And that’s why they lost in front of SCOTUS. Because just like your, their admissions board and criteria are racists.

Anonymous wrote:What kind if personality can a child have when they were pushed to do worksheets and study for tests since very early age?

When they didn’t have free time, play time, unstructured time?

When they were not given any space to develop their own interests and passions, but were told by their parents that it was decided for them they must become a doctor/engineer/lawyer?

This is a recipe for a very plain personality.

Hahahahaha.

Omg. My kids do some worksheets and some homework and sports and have play dates and sleep and watch tv and spend time with friends and family.

Top of their classes. Excellent time management skills.

If you think they’re just doing worksheets all day long: you don’t know any Asians.

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Translation: Asians learned how to get into Harvard by valuing education and working hard, but thanks for being a racist ahole trying to cheapen their values.

I can take any kid, literally any kid and drill them to ace tests.

That’s not going to make them a good candidate for a school that looks for creative leaders that will change the world.

NO way. You try that with an IQ range of 70 - 85 and get back to us.

That kid isn't applying to Harvard and likely isn't taking standardized tests to begin with.

PP here. I agree, but that's not what the previous poster said.

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Omg.

You don’t even want people getting in with hard work and talent. You want them to grift through life.

Asians are getting in with higher scores and more extracurriculars because you didn’t want us there to begin with. Kinda like what the Jews dealt with. So it didn’t start with us- there was always a quota, always racism that we figured out how to overcome. And then…. When that wasn’t enough, they lowered the bar for everyone but us.

That is racism. That’s discrimination.

There are 100 Indian kids with perfect test scores who play violin and tennis. Only 20 of them get in. And now you scream about discrimination.

The schools are now interested in other qualities. Times have changed. Accept the fact that test prep + violin + tennis package doesn’t work any more.

Good! It's important to get this country away from this racial quota mindset that is causing so much stagnation. Every jurisdiction in the DC area can't create sound policy on education or criminal justice because everyone tries to imagine what the effect would be on a hypothetical poor POC. Now people will have no excuse to claim someone got into law/medical school simply based on their skin color

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And now so many of you that no one stands out any more and schools don’t want another packaged kid.

They want genuine kids who have passions, not because they were pushed by their parents.

How about they do this without considering race?

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Translation: Asians learned how to get into Harvard by valuing education and working hard, but thanks for being a racist ahole trying to cheapen their values.

I can take any kid, literally any kid and drill them to ace tests.

That’s not going to make them a good candidate for a school that looks for creative leaders that will change the world.

Oh please.

You assume that the people who can change the world can’t ace tests.

They are doing both. Maybe your kids can’t, but they are. And that’s why they get in.

Or they are legacies.

Anonymous wrote:What kind if personality can a child have when they were pushed to do worksheets and study for tests since very early age?

When they didn’t have free time, play time, unstructured time?

When they were not given any space to develop their own interests and passions, but were told by their parents that it was decided for them they must become a doctor/engineer/lawyer?

This is a recipe for a very plain personality.

Take the L, pp and move on. Or, should I say take the "B" for "bigot."
You believe that people who excel (and are of a certain ethnicity - you don't say this, but we know who you are talking about) spend all their time studying and doing rote worksheets and are precluded from playing with others. You think these kids are forced into certain occupations by their parents. And, as a result, they are "plain" people.

You are pushing a stereotype that is totally false. I just have to wonder how many of these kids you know.

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I think that Asians have the right to be angry- when the bar is set so much higher than for other people, even whites.

You are the ones who created this “bar” to begin with.

Students with Bs used to get into Harvard in the 90s and everything was chill.

But Asian immigrants figured that they can game the system by packaging kids - A student + test prep + an instrument + math team + science Olympiad = Ivy League..

And now so many of you that no one stands out any more and schools don’t want another packaged kid.

They want genuine kids who have passions, not because they were pushed by their parents.

I just want to point out, it was all created by YOU. This is a product of YOU. You are to blame yourself for the crap you’re creating in your society.

Wow, what a racist. Sorry Asians have raised the bar. What a horrible tragedy. If you can't keep up, please go and live somewhere where you and yours are the best and brightest.

I think everyone has raised the bar. It's not just Asians. It's second and third generation Jewish applicants and other third or fourth generation sons and daughters of other immigrants and even good ol' fashioned WASP families with their names on the dorms having to hustle to keep up (and play down their legacy advantages). It's a conscious decision by these schools NOT to increase their class size with population growth. It's a lot of things but most likely just the meritocratic process on steroids combined with increasing inequality. It's really no different than Moneyball and how sophisticated the evaluation of players has become in professional sports. And if you're new to this game, god bless you if you don't already have some built in advantages and engaged parents. This ain't your parent's meritocracy or even the admissions games from a generation ago.

I haven't read the entire thread so if someone else has made this point,my apologies.

I used to support affirmative action for African-Americans. I am using that term deliberately because I supported it for Black people who were descended from slaves, whose parents and grandparents suffered through the era of Jim Crow laws in the South, who lost their jobs in the Depression so white people could have them, who went to substandard schools, were forced to ride in the back of the bus, served in the Second World War, but didn't get the GI Bill to go to college, etc. IOW, those whose families had suffered from systemic racism in the US.

But, anyone who isn't totally oblivious and who attends an Ivy knows that the majority of Black students don't come from that background. Their parents are immigrants from the West Indies and Africa who came here voluntarily. Skip Gates, a Black Harvard professor has been quoted as follows:

"That same year Professor Gates, speaking at a public forum at Princeton University, stated his belief that 75 percent of the black students at Harvard were of African or Caribbean descent or of mixed race."

"A 2004 survey of black students at 28 selective colleges and universities conducted by researchers at the University of Pennsylvania and Princeton University found that 41 percent of all black students at these 28 campuses identified themselves as immigrants or children of immigrants. Only 9 percent of the total black population in the United States can be classified as immigrants or children of immigrants.

For further info see https://www.jbhe.com/news_views/52_harvard-blackstudents.html

Amy Chua's book about the six most successful groups among recent immigrants includes Nigerians. And part of the reason they are doing so well is because they benefit from affirmative action.

Why on earth should a Nigerian kid who came to the US as a child, speaking English, often with 2 college-educated parents--Nigerians are particularly common in medical professions--be admitted to an Ivy over a kid who came here from mainland China , speaking only Mandarin or some other Chinese dialiect, with 2 parents who work in a restaurant in Chinatown and who have limited English skills? That's what's been happening. And I just cannot defend that.

If we had affirmative action which was limited to the descendants of those who were enslaved in the US, I'd support it. But basing affirmative action solely on the color of your skin, so that recent immigrants from Africa and the Carribean and their children benefit isn't fair. More importantly, it isn't solving the problems of the poor descendants of US slaves who have born the brunt of systemic racism.