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Anonymous wrote:Wanna REALLY see them get upset? Have police start ticketing riders who exceed the new 20mph speed limits on neighborhood streets and not stopping at all for red lights (this is post-Idaho stop law, where stop signs are yields and red lights are stops).

It’ll be funny hearing them complaining about laws THEY wanted.

The bike lobby isn't primarily the bike rider bros; it is the companies that litter the streets with those lime and red bikes and scooters. They stand to make a ton of cash if it is easier to use bikes and they can convince people to actually use their bikes.

City Bike etc get paid by the city. They aren't proftable based on use amd wont ever be. Their entire model is built on goverment subsidies.

I don't have a problem with them doing that. They're a nice recreational amenity. That's the problem though. That's all they are and pretending otherwise is foolish.

So is metro, the US military and other government services. If everything was profit centered, do you think anyone in rural America would receive USPS service at all?

And SO ARE ROADS THAT DRIVERS DRIVE ON. Taxes pay for all of this; suburbs are heavily subsidized by urban areas and if people who live in the cities want to bike two miles to their destination on roads their taxes paid for them drivers who insist on driving in a city because they want a big house ten miles away can slow down and recognize that there are other road users with conflicting priorities to them.

No, that's not true. Close in suburban areas subsidize both urban and rural areas. The ROI on the interstate highway system is off the charts.

DC residents are the ones opposed and complaining. This isn't about whatever weird hatred you have for rural areas. We do not benefit from isolation.

The return in terms of lives lost to traffic deaths, global temperature increase, or productivity lost while stuck in gridlock? Those returns are absolutely off the charts!

By any serious economic measure that prices in the various externalities, suburbanization - and the highways that have fueled it - has been immensely damaging. I understand your desire to think happy thoughts to yourself about your lifestyle, but the reality is someplace else entirely.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate the bike lobby in this city

You understand that while WABA exists, there are tens of thousands of riders who have nothing to do with WABA or "the bike lobby" are are your friends and neighbors who want safe places to ride, right?

That isn't true, and you know it. There are not tens of thousands of wannabe bike commuters in DC.

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Anonymous wrote:Wanna REALLY see them get upset? Have police start ticketing riders who exceed the new 20mph speed limits on neighborhood streets and not stopping at all for red lights (this is post-Idaho stop law, where stop signs are yields and red lights are stops).

It’ll be funny hearing them complaining about laws THEY wanted.

The bike lobby isn't primarily the bike rider bros; it is the companies that litter the streets with those lime and red bikes and scooters. They stand to make a ton of cash if it is easier to use bikes and they can convince people to actually use their bikes.

City Bike etc get paid by the city. They aren't proftable based on use amd wont ever be. Their entire model is built on goverment subsidies.

I don't have a problem with them doing that. They're a nice recreational amenity. That's the problem though. That's all they are and pretending otherwise is foolish.

So is metro, the US military and other government services. If everything was profit centered, do you think anyone in rural America would receive USPS service at all?

And SO ARE ROADS THAT DRIVERS DRIVE ON. Taxes pay for all of this; suburbs are heavily subsidized by urban areas and if people who live in the cities want to bike two miles to their destination on roads their taxes paid for them drivers who insist on driving in a city because they want a big house ten miles away can slow down and recognize that there are other road users with conflicting priorities to them.

No, that's not true. Close in suburban areas subsidize both urban and rural areas. The ROI on the interstate highway system is off the charts.

DC residents are the ones opposed and complaining. This isn't about whatever weird hatred you have for rural areas. We do not benefit from isolation.

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Anonymous wrote:Wanna REALLY see them get upset? Have police start ticketing riders who exceed the new 20mph speed limits on neighborhood streets and not stopping at all for red lights (this is post-Idaho stop law, where stop signs are yields and red lights are stops).

It’ll be funny hearing them complaining about laws THEY wanted.

The bike lobby isn't primarily the bike rider bros; it is the companies that litter the streets with those lime and red bikes and scooters. They stand to make a ton of cash if it is easier to use bikes and they can convince people to actually use their bikes.

City Bike etc get paid by the city. They aren't proftable based on use amd wont ever be. Their entire model is built on goverment subsidies.

I don't have a problem with them doing that. They're a nice recreational amenity. That's the problem though. That's all they are and pretending otherwise is foolish.

So is metro, the US military and other government services. If everything was profit centered, do you think anyone in rural America would receive USPS service at all?

And SO ARE ROADS THAT DRIVERS DRIVE ON. Taxes pay for all of this; suburbs are heavily subsidized by urban areas and if people who live in the cities want to bike two miles to their destination on roads their taxes paid for them drivers who insist on driving in a city because they want a big house ten miles away can slow down and recognize that there are other road users with conflicting priorities to them.

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Anonymous wrote:Wanna REALLY see them get upset? Have police start ticketing riders who exceed the new 20mph speed limits on neighborhood streets and not stopping at all for red lights (this is post-Idaho stop law, where stop signs are yields and red lights are stops).

It’ll be funny hearing them complaining about laws THEY wanted.

The bike lobby isn't primarily the bike rider bros; it is the companies that litter the streets with those lime and red bikes and scooters. They stand to make a ton of cash if it is easier to use bikes and they can convince people to actually use their bikes.

City Bike etc get paid by the city. They aren't proftable based on use amd wont ever be. Their entire model is built on goverment subsidies.

I don't have a problem with them doing that. They're a nice recreational amenity. That's the problem though. That's all they are and pretending otherwise is foolish.

So is metro, the US military and other government services. If everything was profit centered, do you think anyone in rural America would receive USPS service at all?

Anonymous wrote:this thread is too long to read, I just wanted to add my voice and say I AGREE with OP. The bike lobby is over reaching and obnoxious. I can't tell you how many times I've almost been run over by some a-hole on a bike going too fast, or not obeying laws. They will never have my vote on anything - and it's because they are arrogant, self-important, and totally self-serving. They might want to work on their PR a bit.

Boy, if you think they are bad, you should see people who drive cars and end up in buildings, on sidewalks and kill hundreds of thousands of people per year.

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Anonymous wrote:Wanna REALLY see them get upset? Have police start ticketing riders who exceed the new 20mph speed limits on neighborhood streets and not stopping at all for red lights (this is post-Idaho stop law, where stop signs are yields and red lights are stops).

It’ll be funny hearing them complaining about laws THEY wanted.

The bike lobby isn't primarily the bike rider bros; it is the companies that litter the streets with those lime and red bikes and scooters. They stand to make a ton of cash if it is easier to use bikes and they can convince people to actually use their bikes.

City Bike etc get paid by the city. They aren't proftable based on use amd wont ever be. Their entire model is built on goverment subsidies.

I don't have a problem with them doing that. They're a nice recreational amenity. That's the problem though. That's all they are and pretending otherwise is foolish.

Anonymous wrote:The bikers are a menace. The most entitled group of tools.

They complain about cars and want to be treated with respect but then disobey most traffic laws. On the CCT they speed through and rarely give notice of passing. On streets around Bethesda they disregard stop signs, red lights and other traffic signs.

They look pretty cool in their tights though!

At what point do people just bike at their own risk. Stop impacting the majority of the population so you can feel cool.

Drivers kill 40,000 people in the US every year. They permanently disfigure hundreds of thousands more.

They create emissions which contribute to the changes of the world’s climate that will kill millions more and irrevocably alter human existence.

They create road congestion that causes themselves and other road users to spend a substantial proportion of their waking hours stuck in infuriating traffic jams.

But it’s the bikers in tights that are impacting the majority of the population? Your post is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read on DCUM and that’s quite an achievement.

The bikers are a menace. The most entitled group of tools.

They complain about cars and want to be treated with respect but then disobey most traffic laws. On the CCT they speed through and rarely give notice of passing. On streets around Bethesda they disregard stop signs, red lights and other traffic signs.

They look pretty cool in their tights though!

At what point do people just bike at their own risk. Stop impacting the majority of the population so you can feel cool.

Anonymous wrote:Wanna REALLY see them get upset? Have police start ticketing riders who exceed the new 20mph speed limits on neighborhood streets and not stopping at all for red lights (this is post-Idaho stop law, where stop signs are yields and red lights are stops).

It’ll be funny hearing them complaining about laws THEY wanted.

The bike lobby isn't primarily the bike rider bros; it is the companies that litter the streets with those lime and red bikes and scooters. They stand to make a ton of cash if it is easier to use bikes and they can convince people to actually use their bikes.

Anonymous wrote:this thread is too long to read, I just wanted to add my voice and say I AGREE with OP. The bike lobby is over reaching and obnoxious. I can't tell you how many times I've almost been run over by some a-hole on a bike going too fast, or not obeying laws. They will never have my vote on anything - and it's because they are arrogant, self-important, and totally self-serving. They might want to work on their PR a bit.

I don’t understand this. Yes, some bikers are a$$holes. But would you really rather that those a$$holes drive cars instead? Suffice to say, being “almost . . . run over” by a car is a hell of a lot more scary than being “almost . . . run over” by a bike. There are a hell of a lot of a$$holes driving cars around also. Whatever we can do to encourage these a$$holes to stop driving and start riding bikes or taking transit has my wholehearted support

I LOVE the bike lobby! I lived in Europe for year and appreciate how easy it was to bike for transportation there. I am all for it. I do think bikers, however, need to follow the rules of engagement on shared roads better.

this thread is too long to read, I just wanted to add my voice and say I AGREE with OP. The bike lobby is over reaching and obnoxious. I can't tell you how many times I've almost been run over by some a-hole on a bike going too fast, or not obeying laws. They will never have my vote on anything - and it's because they are arrogant, self-important, and totally self-serving. They might want to work on their PR a bit.

Anonymous wrote:I hate the bike lobby in this city

You understand that while WABA exists, there are tens of thousands of riders who have nothing to do with WABA or "the bike lobby" are are your friends and neighbors who want safe places to ride, right?

Shush and leave me alone. You are blocked!