Anonymous wrote:Strongly in favor of making the DMV less car friendly and more mass transit friendly.

There is absolutely nothing good about having more cars on the road around here. It's bad for our health, our environment, pedestrians, noise, and cost. Every time I car commute, I wish I was on Metro reading a book instead. And 66, 495, 50 all get backed up so often that I avoid extended trips on them as much as I can. If you think widening highways will fix traffic, please take a hard look at LA.

I know people complain about Metro all the time, but my experience with it has been very positive for a decade. Service got a lot worse during the pandemic, but so did a lot of other services. With gas prices skyrocketing, and people returning to in-person offices, I expect Metro will be an increasingly attractive option. Rather than continuing to pour money into the everyday dumpster fires that are 66 and the Beltway, DMV governments should prioritize Metro accessibility and service.

+ 1 million

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Anonymous wrote:It seems sort of obvious that OP has not taken metro recently. There are a lot of people taking metro during the work week. It’s not shoulder to shoulder but there are plenty of commuters.

What kind of bumper to bumper traffic would there be with cheap parking? That’s the least of it. People need to actually learn how to drive properly. I swear it seems like drivers around DC metro found their drivers license in a cereal box rather than actually take a drivers Ed class.

The signals have to be timed, DC Police and suburban police have to start ticketing aggressively all the drivers who block the intersection just so they can “make the light” yet block the box with their cars so that now the cross traffic that has the green light is blocked. This creates an immense web of traffic out to the beltway, yet nothing is done to diminish it.

Why do people make posts like this when the data is publicly available. 4 out of 5 days last week less people took Metrorail than in 2021.

I notice that a lot of this cyclist, anti-car stuff is frequently either anecdote over data or misuse/misunderstanding of induced demand.

nP - Most of the data that I’ve seen shows that 2022 ridership is up significantly over 2021. Not close to prepandemic levels, but on the increase nonetheless. Where are you seeing otherwise?

Fwiw - I rode the metro this weekend - first time since the start of the pandemic - and I was surprised by both how many people were riding and by how smoothly it all went. It was perfectly fine. If I had to commute in daily, I’d probably be taking the metro, especially if they get back to a regular schedule. With gas prices going up (and parking already up at the lot by my office), metro looks more and more appealing

Metro service complaints are generally overstated. Compared to a car commute of similar distance, Metro is way more reliable and safe.

Strongly in favor of making the DMV less car friendly and more mass transit friendly.

There is absolutely nothing good about having more cars on the road around here. It's bad for our health, our environment, pedestrians, noise, and cost. Every time I car commute, I wish I was on Metro reading a book instead. And 66, 495, 50 all get backed up so often that I avoid extended trips on them as much as I can. If you think widening highways will fix traffic, please take a hard look at LA.

I know people complain about Metro all the time, but my experience with it has been very positive for a decade. Service got a lot worse during the pandemic, but so did a lot of other services. With gas prices skyrocketing, and people returning to in-person offices, I expect Metro will be an increasingly attractive option. Rather than continuing to pour money into the everyday dumpster fires that are 66 and the Beltway, DMV governments should prioritize Metro accessibility and service.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s are weird assumptions playing out on this thread. Two of them are:

1) Most drivers act like maniacs in DC
2) Most maniac drivers are from the suburbs

When I lived in NWDC for many years I saw two things:

1) The percentage of drivers actually driving dangerously was very small
2) Most dangerous drivers I witnessed had DC tags

Might want to leave your NW bubble then.

I live in NE and use 295 daily. I see someone doing something incredibly dangerous literally every time I'm on that highway, whether it's excessive speed, weaving in and out of heavy traffic, driving on the shoulder to avoid traffic, people brazenly drinking beers or smoking blunts in their car, or any manner of other things. The tags are fairly evenly spread out between DC, MD, and VA but the cars aren't. Inevitably it's a Crown Vic, Charger, Challenger, or Mustang.

+1 There are a ton of a-hole drivers, and for me it's to the point where it makes me engage in my own bad behaviors. For example, if I'm on 295, I will often NOT put on my blinker if I'm changing lanes because I can't count on my fingers how many times I had ample room to switch lanes, put on my blinker, only to have some idiot behind me suddenly speed up to keep me from coming into "his" lane. Especially frustrating when an exit is coming up. It makes me not want to even give them the opening to do that. Or, in general, fly up the far right lane at 75 or 80 mph passing cars when the actual passing lane is wide open. Or, the idiots who lay on their horn because the light turned green but you can't yet turn right because there are still pedestrians crossing - as if you're supposed to run the pedestrians over or something. Or the idiots who pull out into traffic without looking. I run into nonsense like that just about every single time I take my car out. There are a LOT of idiot drivers in the DMV. Can't wait for the days of self-driving cars becoming ubiquitous. Too many people can't be trusted to drive for themselves.

Anonymous wrote:There’s are weird assumptions playing out on this thread. Two of them are:

1) Most drivers act like maniacs in DC
2) Most maniac drivers are from the suburbs

When I lived in NWDC for many years I saw two things:

1) The percentage of drivers actually driving dangerously was very small
2) Most dangerous drivers I witnessed had DC tags

Might want to leave your NW bubble then.

I live in NE and use 295 daily. I see someone doing something incredibly dangerous literally every time I'm on that highway, whether it's excessive speed, weaving in and out of heavy traffic, driving on the shoulder to avoid traffic, people brazenly drinking beers or smoking blunts in their car, or any manner of other things. The tags are fairly evenly spread out between DC, MD, and VA but the cars aren't. Inevitably it's a Crown Vic, Charger, Challenger, or Mustang.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems sort of obvious that OP has not taken metro recently. There are a lot of people taking metro during the work week. It’s not shoulder to shoulder but there are plenty of commuters.

What kind of bumper to bumper traffic would there be with cheap parking? That’s the least of it. People need to actually learn how to drive properly. I swear it seems like drivers around DC metro found their drivers license in a cereal box rather than actually take a drivers Ed class.

The signals have to be timed, DC Police and suburban police have to start ticketing aggressively all the drivers who block the intersection just so they can “make the light” yet block the box with their cars so that now the cross traffic that has the green light is blocked. This creates an immense web of traffic out to the beltway, yet nothing is done to diminish it.

Why do people make posts like this when the data is publicly available. 4 out of 5 days last week less people took Metrorail than in 2021.

I notice that a lot of this cyclist, anti-car stuff is frequently either anecdote over data or misuse/misunderstanding of induced demand.

nP - Most of the data that I’ve seen shows that 2022 ridership is up significantly over 2021. Not close to prepandemic levels, but on the increase nonetheless. Where are you seeing otherwise?

Fwiw - I rode the metro this weekend - first time since the start of the pandemic - and I was surprised by both how many people were riding and by how smoothly it all went. It was perfectly fine. If I had to commute in daily, I’d probably be taking the metro, especially if they get back to a regular schedule. With gas prices going up (and parking already up at the lot by my office), metro looks more and more appealing

Just proving my point. You could not be more wrong. You must be making up “data” in your own head. It’s like there is an imaginary world where the cyclist/urbanists live that is completely divorced from the real world.

The fact is that 2021 was a terrible year for WMATA and 2022 is worse.

Here is the most recent week available.
https://www.wmata.com/service/covid19/covid-19-public-information.cfm

Change vs. 2021

Date Rail Adjusted Bus Rail Bus
2/26/22 Sa 118,000 134,000 136% 27%
2/25/22 Fr 160,000 219,000 72% 36%
2/24/22 Th 159,000 212,000 82% 32%
2/23/22 We 170,000 233,000 88% 39%
2/22/22 Tu 157,000 215,000 84% 38%
2/21/22 Mo 104,000 152,000 42% 17%
2/20/22 Su 88,000 113,000 159% 50%

You are welcome to join us in the real world or you can continue to live in your own collective fantasy.

Ummmm....that's actually showing that the rail ridership has increased from 2021 to 2022. In February 2021, the average daily rail ridership was about 78,100 (averaged across both weekends and weekdays). The bus ridership has increased as well, but not as dramatically. Percent change is calculated as (V2-V1)/V1 *100 V2 = 2022 data, V1 = 2021 data. Any positive percentage means an increase.

If you go to the rail ridership year over year data portal, you can see the ridership increase in graphic format. https://www.wmata.com/initiatives/ridership-portal/Rail-Ridership-Change-Data-Portal.cfm

You literally are the definition of a stupid person that pretends to be smart. Or you’re just have some psychological problem that requires you to lie. I’m not sure why, but it’s truly bizarre and please seek help.

It's clear that the poster who wants to speed on residential DC streets has moved far beyond any kind of good faith debate, it's just childish shouting of "ur a dum poopy head" at this point.

+1,000,000

I know we're on an anonymous forum, but that PP has some tells. They pop up in threads like these, take strident anti-cyclist, anti-pedestrian, anti-transit, anti-everything except low-density single family home development positions, spout off some absurd rhetoric that is completely divorced from reality, and when people call them out on their easily-falsifiable bull$h!t, they lash out by calling that behavior "bizarre" and pleads them to "seek help."

What a weirdo.

There’s are weird assumptions playing out on this thread. Two of them are:

1) Most drivers act like maniacs in DC
2) Most maniac drivers are from the suburbs

When I lived in NWDC for many years I saw two things:

1) The percentage of drivers actually driving dangerously was very small
2) Most dangerous drivers I witnessed had DC tags

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Claims the person who lives outside of DC.

Many in DC don't even own cars. Some of my co-workers gave up their cars when the moved to DC. Some like me still have cars but only use them on the weekend for outings. My car is paid off, low mileage and in good condition, might last me 10 years. But I often consider getting rid of it altogether.

I think the point is that DC's transportation policy remains very much focused on providing convenience to personal car owners. The city allows drivers to park on the street for dirt cheap, blow through red lights and generally drive as fast and dangerously as they want, and is slow to improve non-driving transportation options. MPD wantonly sits in the bus lane at 14 and Irving NW while they play on their phones. Incredibly insulting.

40% of people living in the District is a huge number, I thought it would be less. And of course we get shit on instead of rewarded. I always laugh when drivers complain about how they aren't catered to enough. The most entitled people in the world.

DC needs to do more policing and fix a variety of other issues. Part of the problem with red lights and speeding is that they don't have the right agreements and systems in place to go after out-of-state drivers and a big chunk of the drivers in DC are out-of-state. If you live in DC they will ticket the crap out of you with their radar and red light cameras if you aren't mindful of them. They are also pretty aggressive with parking enforcement - but only when it behooves them.

There are already tons of police in the area. They just don't care. Try it out: report hazardous driving to a police officer and see how they react

It's also a fools errand to try to solve it by policing. We allow bigger, more powerful, and more dangerous cars on roads designed to encourage speeding and then act surprised?

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Claims the person who lives outside of DC.

Many in DC don't even own cars. Some of my co-workers gave up their cars when the moved to DC. Some like me still have cars but only use them on the weekend for outings. My car is paid off, low mileage and in good condition, might last me 10 years. But I often consider getting rid of it altogether.

I think the point is that DC's transportation policy remains very much focused on providing convenience to personal car owners. The city allows drivers to park on the street for dirt cheap, blow through red lights and generally drive as fast and dangerously as they want, and is slow to improve non-driving transportation options. MPD wantonly sits in the bus lane at 14 and Irving NW while they play on their phones. Incredibly insulting.

40% of people living in the District is a huge number, I thought it would be less. And of course we get shit on instead of rewarded. I always laugh when drivers complain about how they aren't catered to enough. The most entitled people in the world.

DC needs to do more policing and fix a variety of other issues. Part of the problem with red lights and speeding is that they don't have the right agreements and systems in place to go after out-of-state drivers and a big chunk of the drivers in DC are out-of-state. If you live in DC they will ticket the crap out of you with their radar and red light cameras if you aren't mindful of them. They are also pretty aggressive with parking enforcement - but only when it behooves them.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems sort of obvious that OP has not taken metro recently. There are a lot of people taking metro during the work week. It’s not shoulder to shoulder but there are plenty of commuters.

What kind of bumper to bumper traffic would there be with cheap parking? That’s the least of it. People need to actually learn how to drive properly. I swear it seems like drivers around DC metro found their drivers license in a cereal box rather than actually take a drivers Ed class.

The signals have to be timed, DC Police and suburban police have to start ticketing aggressively all the drivers who block the intersection just so they can “make the light” yet block the box with their cars so that now the cross traffic that has the green light is blocked. This creates an immense web of traffic out to the beltway, yet nothing is done to diminish it.

Why do people make posts like this when the data is publicly available. 4 out of 5 days last week less people took Metrorail than in 2021.

I notice that a lot of this cyclist, anti-car stuff is frequently either anecdote over data or misuse/misunderstanding of induced demand.

nP - Most of the data that I’ve seen shows that 2022 ridership is up significantly over 2021. Not close to prepandemic levels, but on the increase nonetheless. Where are you seeing otherwise?

Fwiw - I rode the metro this weekend - first time since the start of the pandemic - and I was surprised by both how many people were riding and by how smoothly it all went. It was perfectly fine. If I had to commute in daily, I’d probably be taking the metro, especially if they get back to a regular schedule. With gas prices going up (and parking already up at the lot by my office), metro looks more and more appealing

Just proving my point. You could not be more wrong. You must be making up “data” in your own head. It’s like there is an imaginary world where the cyclist/urbanists live that is completely divorced from the real world.

The fact is that 2021 was a terrible year for WMATA and 2022 is worse.

Here is the most recent week available.
https://www.wmata.com/service/covid19/covid-19-public-information.cfm

Change vs. 2021

Date Rail Adjusted Bus Rail Bus
2/26/22 Sa 118,000 134,000 136% 27%
2/25/22 Fr 160,000 219,000 72% 36%
2/24/22 Th 159,000 212,000 82% 32%
2/23/22 We 170,000 233,000 88% 39%
2/22/22 Tu 157,000 215,000 84% 38%
2/21/22 Mo 104,000 152,000 42% 17%
2/20/22 Su 88,000 113,000 159% 50%

You are welcome to join us in the real world or you can continue to live in your own collective fantasy.

Ummmm....that's actually showing that the rail ridership has increased from 2021 to 2022. In February 2021, the average daily rail ridership was about 78,100 (averaged across both weekends and weekdays). The bus ridership has increased as well, but not as dramatically. Percent change is calculated as (V2-V1)/V1 *100 V2 = 2022 data, V1 = 2021 data. Any positive percentage means an increase.

If you go to the rail ridership year over year data portal, you can see the ridership increase in graphic format. https://www.wmata.com/initiatives/ridership-portal/Rail-Ridership-Change-Data-Portal.cfm

You literally are the definition of a stupid person that pretends to be smart. Or you’re just have some psychological problem that requires you to lie. I’m not sure why, but it’s truly bizarre and please seek help.

It's clear that the poster who wants to speed on residential DC streets has moved far beyond any kind of good faith debate, it's just childish shouting of "ur a dum poopy head" at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:Despite what a small group of loud people are saying, D.C. remains a (small) car-centric city within a larger car-centric metropolitan area.

Claims the person who lives outside of DC.

Many in DC don't even own cars. Some of my co-workers gave up their cars when the moved to DC. Some like me still have cars but only use them on the weekend for outings. My car is paid off, low mileage and in good condition, might last me 10 years. But I often consider getting rid of it altogether.

DP.

1. You have no idea where that person lives but it’s awesome that you’re providing to be presumptuous and arrogantly authoritative. That’s always a hallmark of high intelligence.

2. It’s awesome that you’ve paid your car off and barely use it. Again, it’s fascinating that you are so presumptuous to believe and command that everyone should be like you and the small handful of people you know at work.

A little humility would make this world a much better place.

"DC is car-centric" - LMAO. Census ACS studies have shown that around 40% of DC households don't have cars. And the number of DC households without cars has been increasing and will continue to increase with bike shares, ride shares and other options. DC is not at all as car-centric as the DMV burbs are, but I can see how someone from the burbs would make that mistake.

There is about 1 registered vehicle for every adult between 18-65.

Totally false. There are around 548k adults over 18 years in Washington DC. https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/DC

There are only 298k vehicle registrations in DC. https://dmv.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dmv/page_content/attachments/Historical%20Registration%20Data%20FY2010-FY2021.pdf

That's only 0.54 of a car for every adult in DC.

Stop posting fake info to try and justify you dangerously speeding through residential DC neighborhoods like the maniac that you are.

You don’t seem too bright.

LOL you're the one who doesn't understand how math and numbers work. 0.54 cars per adult in DC, many households without a car in DC, compared to 1.12 cars per adult in VA, where far fewer households don't have cars and in fact most households have more than one car. There's a difference there. And it's pretty obvious who the dim bulb here is.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems sort of obvious that OP has not taken metro recently. There are a lot of people taking metro during the work week. It’s not shoulder to shoulder but there are plenty of commuters.

What kind of bumper to bumper traffic would there be with cheap parking? That’s the least of it. People need to actually learn how to drive properly. I swear it seems like drivers around DC metro found their drivers license in a cereal box rather than actually take a drivers Ed class.

The signals have to be timed, DC Police and suburban police have to start ticketing aggressively all the drivers who block the intersection just so they can “make the light” yet block the box with their cars so that now the cross traffic that has the green light is blocked. This creates an immense web of traffic out to the beltway, yet nothing is done to diminish it.

Why do people make posts like this when the data is publicly available. 4 out of 5 days last week less people took Metrorail than in 2021.

I notice that a lot of this cyclist, anti-car stuff is frequently either anecdote over data or misuse/misunderstanding of induced demand.

nP - Most of the data that I’ve seen shows that 2022 ridership is up significantly over 2021. Not close to prepandemic levels, but on the increase nonetheless. Where are you seeing otherwise?

Fwiw - I rode the metro this weekend - first time since the start of the pandemic - and I was surprised by both how many people were riding and by how smoothly it all went. It was perfectly fine. If I had to commute in daily, I’d probably be taking the metro, especially if they get back to a regular schedule. With gas prices going up (and parking already up at the lot by my office), metro looks more and more appealing

Just proving my point. You could not be more wrong. You must be making up “data” in your own head. It’s like there is an imaginary world where the cyclist/urbanists live that is completely divorced from the real world.

The fact is that 2021 was a terrible year for WMATA and 2022 is worse.

Here is the most recent week available.
https://www.wmata.com/service/covid19/covid-19-public-information.cfm

Change vs. 2021

Date Rail Adjusted Bus Rail Bus
2/26/22 Sa 118,000 134,000 136% 27%
2/25/22 Fr 160,000 219,000 72% 36%
2/24/22 Th 159,000 212,000 82% 32%
2/23/22 We 170,000 233,000 88% 39%
2/22/22 Tu 157,000 215,000 84% 38%
2/21/22 Mo 104,000 152,000 42% 17%
2/20/22 Su 88,000 113,000 159% 50%

You are welcome to join us in the real world or you can continue to live in your own collective fantasy.

Ummmm....that's actually showing that the rail ridership has increased from 2021 to 2022. In February 2021, the average daily rail ridership was about 78,100 (averaged across both weekends and weekdays). The bus ridership has increased as well, but not as dramatically. Percent change is calculated as (V2-V1)/V1 *100 V2 = 2022 data, V1 = 2021 data. Any positive percentage means an increase.

If you go to the rail ridership year over year data portal, you can see the ridership increase in graphic format. https://www.wmata.com/initiatives/ridership-portal/Rail-Ridership-Change-Data-Portal.cfm

You literally are the definition of a stupid person that pretends to be smart. Or you’re just have some psychological problem that requires you to lie. I’m not sure why, but it’s truly bizarre and please seek help.

Here is the 2020 data. Note the negative numbers showing a decline in ridership during the first year of the pandemic, in contrast to the 2022 numbers, which are positive because ridership is increasing. https://www.wmata.com/service/covid19/Ridership-Monitoring-Archive-2020.cfm

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Anonymous wrote:It seems sort of obvious that OP has not taken metro recently. There are a lot of people taking metro during the work week. It’s not shoulder to shoulder but there are plenty of commuters.

What kind of bumper to bumper traffic would there be with cheap parking? That’s the least of it. People need to actually learn how to drive properly. I swear it seems like drivers around DC metro found their drivers license in a cereal box rather than actually take a drivers Ed class.

The signals have to be timed, DC Police and suburban police have to start ticketing aggressively all the drivers who block the intersection just so they can “make the light” yet block the box with their cars so that now the cross traffic that has the green light is blocked. This creates an immense web of traffic out to the beltway, yet nothing is done to diminish it.

Why do people make posts like this when the data is publicly available. 4 out of 5 days last week less people took Metrorail than in 2021.

I notice that a lot of this cyclist, anti-car stuff is frequently either anecdote over data or misuse/misunderstanding of induced demand.

nP - Most of the data that I’ve seen shows that 2022 ridership is up significantly over 2021. Not close to prepandemic levels, but on the increase nonetheless. Where are you seeing otherwise?

Fwiw - I rode the metro this weekend - first time since the start of the pandemic - and I was surprised by both how many people were riding and by how smoothly it all went. It was perfectly fine. If I had to commute in daily, I’d probably be taking the metro, especially if they get back to a regular schedule. With gas prices going up (and parking already up at the lot by my office), metro looks more and more appealing

Just proving my point. You could not be more wrong. You must be making up “data” in your own head. It’s like there is an imaginary world where the cyclist/urbanists live that is completely divorced from the real world.

The fact is that 2021 was a terrible year for WMATA and 2022 is worse.

Here is the most recent week available.
https://www.wmata.com/service/covid19/covid-19-public-information.cfm

Change vs. 2021

Date Rail Adjusted Bus Rail Bus
2/26/22 Sa 118,000 134,000 136% 27%
2/25/22 Fr 160,000 219,000 72% 36%
2/24/22 Th 159,000 212,000 82% 32%
2/23/22 We 170,000 233,000 88% 39%
2/22/22 Tu 157,000 215,000 84% 38%
2/21/22 Mo 104,000 152,000 42% 17%
2/20/22 Su 88,000 113,000 159% 50%

You are welcome to join us in the real world or you can continue to live in your own collective fantasy.

Ummmm....that's actually showing that the rail ridership has increased from 2021 to 2022. In February 2021, the average daily rail ridership was about 78,100 (averaged across both weekends and weekdays). The bus ridership has increased as well, but not as dramatically. Percent change is calculated as (V2-V1)/V1 *100 V2 = 2022 data, V1 = 2021 data. Any positive percentage means an increase.

If you go to the rail ridership year over year data portal, you can see the ridership increase in graphic format. https://www.wmata.com/initiatives/ridership-portal/Rail-Ridership-Change-Data-Portal.cfm

You literally are the definition of a stupid person that pretends to be smart. Or you’re just have some psychological problem that requires you to lie. I’m not sure why, but it’s truly bizarre and please seek help.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems sort of obvious that OP has not taken metro recently. There are a lot of people taking metro during the work week. It’s not shoulder to shoulder but there are plenty of commuters.

What kind of bumper to bumper traffic would there be with cheap parking? That’s the least of it. People need to actually learn how to drive properly. I swear it seems like drivers around DC metro found their drivers license in a cereal box rather than actually take a drivers Ed class.

The signals have to be timed, DC Police and suburban police have to start ticketing aggressively all the drivers who block the intersection just so they can “make the light” yet block the box with their cars so that now the cross traffic that has the green light is blocked. This creates an immense web of traffic out to the beltway, yet nothing is done to diminish it.

Why do people make posts like this when the data is publicly available. 4 out of 5 days last week less people took Metrorail than in 2021.

I notice that a lot of this cyclist, anti-car stuff is frequently either anecdote over data or misuse/misunderstanding of induced demand.

nP - Most of the data that I’ve seen shows that 2022 ridership is up significantly over 2021. Not close to prepandemic levels, but on the increase nonetheless. Where are you seeing otherwise?

Fwiw - I rode the metro this weekend - first time since the start of the pandemic - and I was surprised by both how many people were riding and by how smoothly it all went. It was perfectly fine. If I had to commute in daily, I’d probably be taking the metro, especially if they get back to a regular schedule. With gas prices going up (and parking already up at the lot by my office), metro looks more and more appealing

Just proving my point. You could not be more wrong. You must be making up “data” in your own head. It’s like there is an imaginary world where the cyclist/urbanists live that is completely divorced from the real world.

The fact is that 2021 was a terrible year for WMATA and 2022 is worse.

Here is the most recent week available.
https://www.wmata.com/service/covid19/covid-19-public-information.cfm

Change vs. 2021

Date Rail Adjusted Bus Rail Bus
2/26/22 Sa 118,000 134,000 136% 27%
2/25/22 Fr 160,000 219,000 72% 36%
2/24/22 Th 159,000 212,000 82% 32%
2/23/22 We 170,000 233,000 88% 39%
2/22/22 Tu 157,000 215,000 84% 38%
2/21/22 Mo 104,000 152,000 42% 17%
2/20/22 Su 88,000 113,000 159% 50%

You are welcome to join us in the real world or you can continue to live in your own collective fantasy.

Ummmm....that's actually showing that the rail ridership has increased from 2021 to 2022. In February 2021, the average daily rail ridership was about 78,100 (averaged across both weekends and weekdays). The bus ridership has increased as well, but not as dramatically. Percent change is calculated as (V2-V1)/V1 *100 V2 = 2022 data, V1 = 2021 data. Any positive percentage means an increase.

If you go to the rail ridership year over year data portal, you can see the ridership increase in graphic format. https://www.wmata.com/initiatives/ridership-portal/Rail-Ridership-Change-Data-Portal.cfm

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Anonymous wrote:It seems sort of obvious that OP has not taken metro recently. There are a lot of people taking metro during the work week. It’s not shoulder to shoulder but there are plenty of commuters.

What kind of bumper to bumper traffic would there be with cheap parking? That’s the least of it. People need to actually learn how to drive properly. I swear it seems like drivers around DC metro found their drivers license in a cereal box rather than actually take a drivers Ed class.

The signals have to be timed, DC Police and suburban police have to start ticketing aggressively all the drivers who block the intersection just so they can “make the light” yet block the box with their cars so that now the cross traffic that has the green light is blocked. This creates an immense web of traffic out to the beltway, yet nothing is done to diminish it.

Why do people make posts like this when the data is publicly available. 4 out of 5 days last week less people took Metrorail than in 2021.

I notice that a lot of this cyclist, anti-car stuff is frequently either anecdote over data or misuse/misunderstanding of induced demand.

nP - Most of the data that I’ve seen shows that 2022 ridership is up significantly over 2021. Not close to prepandemic levels, but on the increase nonetheless. Where are you seeing otherwise?

Fwiw - I rode the metro this weekend - first time since the start of the pandemic - and I was surprised by both how many people were riding and by how smoothly it all went. It was perfectly fine. If I had to commute in daily, I’d probably be taking the metro, especially if they get back to a regular schedule. With gas prices going up (and parking already up at the lot by my office), metro looks more and more appealing

Just proving my point. You could not be more wrong. You must be making up “data” in your own head. It’s like there is an imaginary world where the cyclist/urbanists live that is completely divorced from the real world.

The fact is that 2021 was a terrible year for WMATA and 2022 is worse.

Here is the most recent week available.
https://www.wmata.com/service/covid19/covid-19-public-information.cfm

Change vs. 2021

Date Rail Adjusted Bus Rail Bus
2/26/22 Sa 118,000 134,000 136% 27%
2/25/22 Fr 160,000 219,000 72% 36%
2/24/22 Th 159,000 212,000 82% 32%
2/23/22 We 170,000 233,000 88% 39%
2/22/22 Tu 157,000 215,000 84% 38%
2/21/22 Mo 104,000 152,000 42% 17%
2/20/22 Su 88,000 113,000 159% 50%

You are welcome to join us in the real world or you can continue to live in your own collective fantasy.