Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know if the book would have been pulled or not.

But I do now know that Karl Frisch thinks keeping this sort of material in school libraries is vital to the LGBTQIA+ committee and no elected democrat that I have (so far) found contradicts this view nor thinks that there is any problem with it.

Educational.

What does the LGBTQ+ community say about the books?

Are these books supportive to students who may find themselves in similar situations as the characters?

Many readers seem to love them.

https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/42837514-gender-queer

"I am so happy and thankful for books such as this.Gender Queer, a graphic memoir by Maia Kobabe, is such an honest and open look at the author’s own path through understanding gender and sexuality. This is a beautiful book that will be useful to anyone looking to reflect on better understand non-binary gender, particularly as the telling is so full of careful nuance that looks at all the many avenues and aspects of non-binary identity and shows how discovering the language to assess identity is key in helping process yourself. "

"This is a really well done memoir that is very moving. Maia very tenderly examined eir life journey and interpersonal relationships, as well as really demonstrates a love for reading. I particularly enjoyed this as so much of my own journey to figuring my gender identity and sexuality came from reading. Shoutout to the poets, you gave me the words to understand myself."

"I needed this book 20 years ago. Words can not describe how much I love this book. It's a memoir about growing up and figuring out that one is non-binary and asexual. While I am not asexual, I am non-binary...and while I can look back on my life now and realize I have always been this way, it took until age 30 to find the words. To realize, i'm not a freak. I'm not wrong. I'm not confused (anymore-and if I had had the words and someone else saying "me too" I never would have had to be). That i'm not alone."


https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35489159-lawn-boy

"Really good. Story of Mike Munoz, a 22-year-old on Bainbridge Island who lives in a trailer with his mother and behaviorally challenged older brother. He has no money and no prospects. His only asset is a capability with lawn care - a job from which he gets fired (it's a direction he chooses) within the first few chapters.

But it's really a book about discovering who you are and about finding the courage to pursue it. Uplifting, funny, and real, this book is one of my favorites for 2019."

"Someone else commented that it's like reading J.D. Salinger and a mix of John Updike with his vivid descriptions.
There is a lot that can be talked about with this book in terms of personal growth, class hieracrchies, and the protagonist who you don't know whether to dislike, feel sorry for, laugh at, or root for.
This is worth a read and it's a good reminder about what it really means to be happy in life."

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know if the book would have been pulled or not.

But I do now know that Karl Frisch thinks keeping this sort of material in school libraries is vital to the LGBTQIA+ committee and no elected democrat that I have (so far) found contradicts this view nor thinks that there is any problem with it.

Educational.

What does the LGBTQ+ community say about the books?

Are these books supportive to students who may find themselves in similar situations as the characters?

I imagine that much like straight, cisgender people, they have different views on graphic content and how available it should be to children.

Anonymous wrote:I don't know if the book would have been pulled or not.

But I do now know that Karl Frisch thinks keeping this sort of material in school libraries is vital to the LGBTQIA+ committee and no elected democrat that I have (so far) found contradicts this view nor thinks that there is any problem with it.

Educational.

What does the LGBTQ+ community say about the books?

Are these books supportive to students who may find themselves in similar situations as the characters?

"vital to the LGBTQIA+ community"

I don't know if the book would have been pulled or not.

But I do now know that Karl Frisch thinks keeping this sort of material in school libraries is vital to the LGBTQIA+ committee and no elected democrat that I have (so far) found contradicts this view nor thinks that there is any problem with it.

Educational.

Anonymous wrote:

Why are you yelling? And the converse is true. If it shouldn’t be in high schools, why are you broadcasting it live to ES aged kids?

Because that is the only way to get the attention of the SB. Perhaps, if our members were more responsive to parents who contact them, it would be different.

So the solution I everyone with any issue should be as obnoxious and offensive as possible?

You’re so sure the book committee route would never work. And yet, all being outrageous did was get the book referred to the book committee. So, all she accomplished was a Fox News appearance. And a talking point in the election.

Why are you yelling? And the converse is true. If it shouldn’t be in high schools, why are you broadcasting it live to ES aged kids?

Because that is the only way to get the attention of the SB. Perhaps, if our members were more responsive to parents who contact them, it would be different.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wait, I thought the party line was that the books were fine, good even, a support to LGBTQIA+ students, staff and teachers?

Now everyone is in agreement that they are gross and inappropriate?

I guess Frisch and the gang had the wrong take and have been told to pivot.

Politics. It's quite a game.

Good for the Fairfax County Dems, making a new download available for their loyalists.

An election is coming up and they will have trouble if they are closely associated with the "keep graphic material in schools--for the sake of the LGBTQIA+ population" agenda.

If other school boards in areas where this book has been shelved in school libraries are doing the same, it will go better for them.

As opposed to the Fairfax Rs, who are associated in my neighborhood with, “broadcast graphic content to my school aged kids on TV?” Keep saying that this woman was anything other than awful for exposing so many young kids to graphic content on the FCPS TV station. It’s a great way to lose elections. A library book I abstract. Lots of pissed off parents that this was handled in manner that didn’t protect kids.

You’re just proving her point. IF KIDS SHOULD NOT BE EXPOSED TO THIS MATERIAL WHY IS IT IN A SCHOOL?

Why are you yelling? And the converse is true. If it shouldn’t be in high schools, why are you broadcasting it live to ES aged kids?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No, this was a performative tantrum. Genuine and appropriate concern starts by talking with the school librarian and school admin. Who acknowledge your concerns and point you to the book review committee. Then you file a challenge with the committee and seeing what they say. It does not involve cherry-picking a page out of two books out of thousands and going straight for shock value at a SB meeting. You do that to make a scene and make headlines. I don’t care that she objected. I care that she immediately escalated to the SB in the most dramatic way possible. And in the end, thenSB did exactly what the librarian would have done— referred it to the committee. Same result. More headlines.

And because the material is graphic, I don’t appreciate it being broadcast with no warning into every household with ES aged kids who might be present watching the livestream.

All of us get ticked off at FCPs policies and decisions. And most of us escalate concerns appropriately. Otherwise, you’d have 100,000 parents pitching temper tantrums at the SB level for things that can be dealt with at the school level. This SB cannot walk and chew gum at the same time. And the time it takes for them to deal with this crap is time they aren’t dealing with improving quarantine and isolation, livestreams to kids with COVID, a testing protocol, and test to stay.

"Performative?" maybe. But, do you listen to our SB members? We frequently get performances from them.

Yes, her testimony was terribly offensive. That was the point. What better way to get the attention. The process you describe takes weeks--probably months.

Believe me, had she gone through the "process" the books would still be there. Most parents were unaware and they would have continued to be unaware.

The process would have taken over a year. Call it what you will, but it moved the Board to act, which is amazing. Kudos to her for ignoring the stupidly complicated procedure.

Exactly. The procedure needs to be revamped anyway.

Do you have any experience with the procedure? How, specifically, should it be revamped? Where do you get the “it takes a year” assertion? IME, it’s nice to have a mix of students, parents, admin and educators and takes about a month, maybe two depending on the length and complexity of the book in question. It take sometime to read it, plus the various reviews. It seems to be. Very thoughtful process it’s multiple stakeholder views.

Do you think everyone should bring their book directly to the SB meeting? Or?? Why, specifically, would you do differently?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wait, I thought the party line was that the books were fine, good even, a support to LGBTQIA+ students, staff and teachers?

Now everyone is in agreement that they are gross and inappropriate?

I guess Frisch and the gang had the wrong take and have been told to pivot.

Politics. It's quite a game.

Good for the Fairfax County Dems, making a new download available for their loyalists.

An election is coming up and they will have trouble if they are closely associated with the "keep graphic material in schools--for the sake of the LGBTQIA+ population" agenda.

If other school boards in areas where this book has been shelved in school libraries are doing the same, it will go better for them.

As opposed to the Fairfax Rs, who are associated in my neighborhood with, “broadcast graphic content to my school aged kids on TV?” Keep saying that this woman was anything other than awful for exposing so many young kids to graphic content on the FCPS TV station. It’s a great way to lose elections. A library book I abstract. Lots of pissed off parents that this was handled in manner that didn’t protect kids.

You’re just proving her point. IF KIDS SHOULD NOT BE EXPOSED TO THIS MATERIAL WHY IS IT IN A SCHOOL?

You do realize there is a difference in what is appropriate for HS vs. ES....right?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No, this was a performative tantrum. Genuine and appropriate concern starts by talking with the school librarian and school admin. Who acknowledge your concerns and point you to the book review committee. Then you file a challenge with the committee and seeing what they say. It does not involve cherry-picking a page out of two books out of thousands and going straight for shock value at a SB meeting. You do that to make a scene and make headlines. I don’t care that she objected. I care that she immediately escalated to the SB in the most dramatic way possible. And in the end, thenSB did exactly what the librarian would have done— referred it to the committee. Same result. More headlines.

And because the material is graphic, I don’t appreciate it being broadcast with no warning into every household with ES aged kids who might be present watching the livestream.

All of us get ticked off at FCPs policies and decisions. And most of us escalate concerns appropriately. Otherwise, you’d have 100,000 parents pitching temper tantrums at the SB level for things that can be dealt with at the school level. This SB cannot walk and chew gum at the same time. And the time it takes for them to deal with this crap is time they aren’t dealing with improving quarantine and isolation, livestreams to kids with COVID, a testing protocol, and test to stay.

"Performative?" maybe. But, do you listen to our SB members? We frequently get performances from them.

Yes, her testimony was terribly offensive. That was the point. What better way to get the attention. The process you describe takes weeks--probably months.

Believe me, had she gone through the "process" the books would still be there. Most parents were unaware and they would have continued to be unaware.

The process would have taken over a year. Call it what you will, but it moved the Board to act, which is amazing. Kudos to her for ignoring the stupidly complicated procedure.

Exactly. The procedure needs to be revamped anyway.

OK. So shock and awe is the new norm? Constant chaos?

Of course Republicans never think rules apply to them...

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No, this was a performative tantrum. Genuine and appropriate concern starts by talking with the school librarian and school admin. Who acknowledge your concerns and point you to the book review committee. Then you file a challenge with the committee and seeing what they say. It does not involve cherry-picking a page out of two books out of thousands and going straight for shock value at a SB meeting. You do that to make a scene and make headlines. I don’t care that she objected. I care that she immediately escalated to the SB in the most dramatic way possible. And in the end, thenSB did exactly what the librarian would have done— referred it to the committee. Same result. More headlines.

And because the material is graphic, I don’t appreciate it being broadcast with no warning into every household with ES aged kids who might be present watching the livestream.

All of us get ticked off at FCPs policies and decisions. And most of us escalate concerns appropriately. Otherwise, you’d have 100,000 parents pitching temper tantrums at the SB level for things that can be dealt with at the school level. This SB cannot walk and chew gum at the same time. And the time it takes for them to deal with this crap is time they aren’t dealing with improving quarantine and isolation, livestreams to kids with COVID, a testing protocol, and test to stay.

"Performative?" maybe. But, do you listen to our SB members? We frequently get performances from them.

Yes, her testimony was terribly offensive. That was the point. What better way to get the attention. The process you describe takes weeks--probably months.

Believe me, had she gone through the "process" the books would still be there. Most parents were unaware and they would have continued to be unaware.

The process would have taken over a year. Call it what you will, but it moved the Board to act, which is amazing. Kudos to her for ignoring the stupidly complicated procedure.

DP
Hold up. Ignoring procedure is not ok. This is becoming a big problem. It is a problem. People are going to meeting such as school board meetings expecting to get their way by disrupting procedure. They don’t listen. There is no room for discourse. We’ve seen the chanting, the standing on tables, just general pushiness and then they complain the meeting had to be shut down.

January 6 was a result of ignoring procedure.

It's a false equivalency to suggest that someone using a 2-minute speaker slot to bring an obvious problem to the School Board's attention is tantamount to over-running the Capitol, but I guess it does speak to just how deferential and complacent FCPS and its key supporters now expect parents to be. That was clear when they cut the speaker slots from 3 minutes to 2 minutes and it's also apparent when some suggest that a speaker simply fill out a form that no one will pay attention to rather than discuss FCPS's ill-advised purchasing decisions openly and candidly.

Nope. Brabrand and the SB are responsible. and Brabrand was essentially fired. He’s out next year. And the SB comes up fr election in 2 years, and I don’t know anyone who will vote on autopilot next time.

What Trump is responsible for is the degradation of public norms and the governance by shock and outrage. It’s now become essential on the GOP side to pul stunts and go on Fox News.

No. You don't understand. No one ever pays attention to SB without being affected. For example, during the 2008 South Lakes redistricting, the communities affected were stunned. The only ones who knew it was coming were the South Lakes PTSA who planned the whole thing with Stu Gibson. The communities taken from Westfield and Oakton were stunned.
Yes, there was a warning buried in the minutes of the SB meetings, but it was obscure until it began in earnest. If you think the Great Falls outrage was big, then this was monumental.

And, FWIW, I watched the meetings--that is when I began paying attention. Many Asian Americans testified and were upset. They begged for South Lakes to switch to AP and were shut down. In fact, SB members were quite unkind to them. That is when I realized the hypocrisy.

And, I know people who live in that area--they would still much prefer AP to IB. That may come up again now that the rules are changed for TJ. That area is a feeder to Carson. Many of the kids in that community went to TJ. I'm guessing fewer do now.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wait, I thought the party line was that the books were fine, good even, a support to LGBTQIA+ students, staff and teachers?

Now everyone is in agreement that they are gross and inappropriate?

I guess Frisch and the gang had the wrong take and have been told to pivot.

Politics. It's quite a game.

Good for the Fairfax County Dems, making a new download available for their loyalists.

An election is coming up and they will have trouble if they are closely associated with the "keep graphic material in schools--for the sake of the LGBTQIA+ population" agenda.

If other school boards in areas where this book has been shelved in school libraries are doing the same, it will go better for them.

As opposed to the Fairfax Rs, who are associated in my neighborhood with, “broadcast graphic content to my school aged kids on TV?” Keep saying that this woman was anything other than awful for exposing so many young kids to graphic content on the FCPS TV station. It’s a great way to lose elections. A library book I abstract. Lots of pissed off parents that this was handled in manner that didn’t protect kids.

You’re just proving her point. IF KIDS SHOULD NOT BE EXPOSED TO THIS MATERIAL WHY IS IT IN A SCHOOL?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No, this was a performative tantrum. Genuine and appropriate concern starts by talking with the school librarian and school admin. Who acknowledge your concerns and point you to the book review committee. Then you file a challenge with the committee and seeing what they say. It does not involve cherry-picking a page out of two books out of thousands and going straight for shock value at a SB meeting. You do that to make a scene and make headlines. I don’t care that she objected. I care that she immediately escalated to the SB in the most dramatic way possible. And in the end, thenSB did exactly what the librarian would have done— referred it to the committee. Same result. More headlines.

And because the material is graphic, I don’t appreciate it being broadcast with no warning into every household with ES aged kids who might be present watching the livestream.

All of us get ticked off at FCPs policies and decisions. And most of us escalate concerns appropriately. Otherwise, you’d have 100,000 parents pitching temper tantrums at the SB level for things that can be dealt with at the school level. This SB cannot walk and chew gum at the same time. And the time it takes for them to deal with this crap is time they aren’t dealing with improving quarantine and isolation, livestreams to kids with COVID, a testing protocol, and test to stay.

"Performative?" maybe. But, do you listen to our SB members? We frequently get performances from them.

Yes, her testimony was terribly offensive. That was the point. What better way to get the attention. The process you describe takes weeks--probably months.

Believe me, had she gone through the "process" the books would still be there. Most parents were unaware and they would have continued to be unaware.

The process would have taken over a year. Call it what you will, but it moved the Board to act, which is amazing. Kudos to her for ignoring the stupidly complicated procedure.

Exactly. The procedure needs to be revamped anyway.