Anonymous
09/17/2021 11:53
Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Brian is not Gabby’s husband and they are both adults who legally are responsible for themselves
It is documented by affidavit to the Moab police that Gabby assaulted Brian - and there are photos of his injuries
So, who is victim blaming here ???
Both of these people are unstable and one seems to have parents who directed his behavior and got him a good lawyer
The other set of parents - despite being called by their daughter while she was in police custody- and being told she could have been charged with battery - did nothing - did not buy her a ticket home , did not fly out to Utah to get her , did not even report her missing for 10 days after last hearing from her , BUT
PP says THIS is all her HS BF’s fault
I don’t think so ….there is a LOT of instability in this young woman’s life . She was even living with Brian’s parents . Where are her parents in this ?? Aside from pushing blame on 23 year old Brian, who was btw assaulted by their daughter
It is documented by affidavit to the Moab police that Gabby assaulted Brian - and there are photos of his injuries
So, who is victim blaming here ???
Both of these people are unstable and one seems to have parents who directed his behavior and got him a good lawyer
The other set of parents - despite being called by their daughter while she was in police custody- and being told she could have been charged with battery - did nothing - did not buy her a ticket home , did not fly out to Utah to get her , did not even report her missing for 10 days after last hearing from her , BUT
PP says THIS is all her HS BF’s fault
I don’t think so ….there is a LOT of instability in this young woman’s life . She was even living with Brian’s parents . Where are her parents in this ?? Aside from pushing blame on 23 year old Brian, who was btw assaulted by their daughter
Anonymous
09/17/2021 11:51
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the whole thread but am trying to follow the story, which is fascinating. Here's my Q - has there been any evidence that she was seen after he left for FL on the 23rd? I'm not saying the guy is innocent but isn't it POSSIBLE something happened to her while he was gone (23rd-27th) and he either couldn't find her or found her dead at the hotel or something and just panicked and left? (although I guess there would then be a body...)
Yes. He was gone earlier than the 23-27th though. I believe he returned on the 23rd. Phone contact and they checked out of a hotel (24th) together which surveillance footage could probably substantiate. Don’t know if investigators have definitively stated they have the footage from that, but there are at least some witness statements that they checked out together and I would say that’s pretty confirmed at this point. That’s one of the last confirmed sightings, although some other park goers think they spotted the van (but not who was inside it) on the 25th in Grand Teton. On the 25th, Gabby’s family also had phone contact with her (not just text) and she told them she was in Grand Teton (WY). After that, they only receive texts. Family and friends were under the impression they were headed to Yellowstone (WY/ID/MT borders area). On the 30th, her phone sent a text saying she had no service in Yosemite (CA).
Anonymous
09/17/2021 11:50
Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Posting a different viewpoint and wondering if any of the PP’s on this thread have viewed the police interview with the couple when Gabby was reported to the police for assaulting Brian in Moab ??
Because, maybe if more people watched that tape, they’d take a more neutral approach. Having watched the full one hour police bodycam interview of both Gabby & Brian I have a few questions :
1) Gabby was nearly arrested for assault of Brian - there was a witness who called the police and that is why the police pulled the couple over) in July - towards the end of that tape, Gabby calls her parents - so - where are the parents in this for the next 6 weeks ??? Think about it everyone: you , as the parent of a 22 year old - have just been called and notified that your daughter has been pulled over by the police and almost charged with battery - and given a court date - had the cop not changed his mind - you know she is unemployed, is living in a van ( homeless) and has no purpose other than trying to gain fame and influence through writing a “ blog” about how she and her bf are ,” having a great adventure exploring the west “ - except it’s obvious that is all FAKE - they are 2 unstable young people, without jobs and violence has broken out in their relationship in which they are holed up together in basically - living out of a vehicle
You know this as her parents and what do you do ? Nothing - it seems - No, come home NOW Gabby - no ??? Get to the nearest airport and we will buy you a plane ticket home - right now Gabby
Instead, he Dad is paying for meals to be delivered to her while she lives in the van - OK
What is Brian’s obligation to her vs to himself ? He is not her husband or her father and he is same age as her . He is free to leave her and just go home . That is not a crime . He is not supervising her as an adult over a minor ? She had attacked him previously and - had the Utah cops charged her as they could have, Gabby would have had to show up in court in Utah in August .
Maybe she assaulted him again ? Maybe she is unstable and ran away from him . Maybe she hitched a ride with someone else afterwards.
Granted, he should have left on his own if the van was registered to her, but in the police video Gabby says that she doesn’t really ever drive the van so maybe - you all don’t know this - maybe they had an agreement that he go home in the Van . For all you know , maybe all this drama is caused by this girl
Signed,
A woman
Well thought-out and completely rational post.
Sorry that some people here flipped out on you and posted hysterical attacks on you.
I believe we agree he is unlikely to be convicted of causing her death on the scant evidence known at present.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 11:48
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Most criminal cases end with a plea bargain. The less information he gives the police, the better position he is in to bargain down the charges later. Heck, even in murder cases, the death penalty has been taken off the table in exchange for telling the police where the killer put the body, so the family can have some closure.
Assume he didn't actually murder her, but did something that lead to her death, e.g., drove off and left her in 100 degree heat without water. There's a lot of leeway in terms of the charge against him in this situation. His lawyer "needs" something to bargain with to get the charges reduced to the point he might get out of prison some day.
Assume he didn't actually murder her, but did something that lead to her death, e.g., drove off and left her in 100 degree heat without water. There's a lot of leeway in terms of the charge against him in this situation. His lawyer "needs" something to bargain with to get the charges reduced to the point he might get out of prison some day.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 11:45
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
I understand LEGALLY why he is not talking to police. But if he is innocent, and he left Gabby when she was ALIVE, the fastest way to end this ordeal is to say "oh I left her at the Motel 6 on Rt xyz on August 28th. That's the last time I saw her".
Morally and ethically, this is what an innocent person would do when they arrived in FL and her parents texted him to ask "Hey where's Gabby? We haven't heard from her".
Legally, silence makes sense. Morally and ethically, it's damning. If she IS alive, he is the best person to know where she is to find her. He's not worried about that because he killed her so NOT finding her is to his advantage.
Morally and ethically, this is what an innocent person would do when they arrived in FL and her parents texted him to ask "Hey where's Gabby? We haven't heard from her".
Legally, silence makes sense. Morally and ethically, it's damning. If she IS alive, he is the best person to know where she is to find her. He's not worried about that because he killed her so NOT finding her is to his advantage.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 11:41
Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Posting a different viewpoint and wondering if any of the PP’s on this thread have viewed the police interview with the couple when Gabby was reported to the police for assaulting Brian in Moab ??
Because, maybe if more people watched that tape, they’d take a more neutral approach. Having watched the full one hour police bodycam interview of both Gabby & Brian I have a few questions :
1) Gabby was nearly arrested for assault of Brian - there was a witness who called the police and that is why the police pulled the couple over) in July - towards the end of that tape, Gabby calls her parents - so - where are the parents in this for the next 6 weeks ??? Think about it everyone: you , as the parent of a 22 year old - have just been called and notified that your daughter has been pulled over by the police and almost charged with battery - and given a court date - had the cop not changed his mind - you know she is unemployed, is living in a van ( homeless) and has no purpose other than trying to gain fame and influence through writing a “ blog” about how she and her bf are ,” having a great adventure exploring the west “ - except it’s obvious that is all FAKE - they are 2 unstable young people, without jobs and violence has broken out in their relationship in which they are holed up together in basically - living out of a vehicle
What is Brian’s obligation to her vs to himself ? He is not her husband or her father and he is same age as her . He is free to leave her and just go home . That is not a crime . He is not supervising her as an adult over a minor ? She had attacked him previously and - had the Utah cops charged her as they could have, Gabby would have had to show up in court in Utah in August .
Maybe she assaulted him again ? Maybe she is unstable and ran away from him . Maybe she hitched a ride with someone else afterwards.
Granted, he should have left on his own if the van was registered to her, but in the police video Gabby says that she doesn’t really ever drive the van so maybe - you all don’t know this - maybe they had an agreement that he go home in the Van . For all you know , maybe all this drama is caused by this girl
Signed,
A woman
Your victim blaming is vile.
Is there really no responsibility of ones fiancé to not put you in a dangerous situation or keep your safe? He also took her car leaving her now way out. Why didn't he take responsibility for himself and fly his ass home?
By your theory you should not expect your husband to keep you safe, ensuring you have shelter, food and money, correct? A marriage certificate doesn't grant you any more rights as a human than Gabby deserves. What if both your parents die, do you deserve less than someone with parents because no other adult human has to care about your wellbeing? I am sure you dont expect your babysitter, teacher or doctor to keep your children safe and make decisions in their best interest right?
DP. Victim blaming?
How do you even know she’s a victim??
For all you know, she left on her own and is living it up someplace.
You don’t know. Anything.
But that didn’t stop you from going off emotionally on a stranger and calling them “vile.”
Anonymous
09/17/2021 11:41
Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:After watching the video, I feel like it's two people who have spent entirely too much time together on the road. And they're just sick of each other at this point. But in the name of social media and YouTube they felt the need to carry on. It's a cautionary tale for others. The van life is not this care-free fun lifestyle.
THIS
Anonymous
09/17/2021 11:35
Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:I honestly think he’s going to walk free. He probably won’t even make it to trial.
Is there any confirmation that the boyfriend has her phone? Physical evidence?
I have not yet seen any proof that he was in possession of her phone.
I don’t think it’s been released publicly as far as the whereabouts of the phone. If I had to speculate, I would speculate he did not have it in his possession on the 11th when the van was seized. We do know no known contacts of Gabby were called or FaceTimed after Aug 25, but there were some very basic texts that didn’t seem characteristic of her usual contact. The family and friends are speculating these were sent by someone using her phone. If so, that doesn’t necessarily mean they would maintain possession of the phone after that.
If they were able to seize the phone with the van that would be great, especially if someone was able to unlock it. It could provide them with a lot of information quickly without having to wait for warrants and interpreting reports from the service side of the phone.
But again, speculation, my guess is they don’t have the physical device and it is currently not able to be tracked.
I would also say based on the body cam video, it seems unlikely Gabby would have walked away without her phone. That’s not the behavior we see in the video.
There is still a lot of information they will get from the service end. It takes time. They were also in some locations where cell service towers might be sparse which could make narrowing down locations harder (but obviously, would give a general location if the phone was accessing just about anything). I don’t know much about these type of vans vs more common passenger vehicles, but many newish cars actually have a lot of tracking data that can be accessed from the back end by investigators even when people don’t know it or haven’t enabled certain services from the user end.
Gabby last text indicated she was in Yosemite (CA) on the 30th (at least, that was when the text was received) and didn’t have service. The location of her phone at that time isn’t publicly known, although I’m sure it will be known to investigators soon. Boyfriend arrived in FL on Sept 1st, according to all reports so that’s somehow verified. He had the van upon arrival. So obviously those two locations are extremely improbable since they were only known to have one vehicle.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 11:31
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Two women who worked at the co-op where the missing girl and her bf were fighting were found murdered while camping in the area. A man with an arsenal of weapons is the suspect.
She might have been killed by that other guy. That’s what the police are looking into now.
Check out the Daily Mail.
That's my problem. He is a dirt bag and abusive, but that doesn't mean he killed her.
Wait - we know SHE was physically abusing him! (and he didn’t fight back apparently).
plus she admits she is mentally ill on the video, she knows it, but she isn’t being treated.
She was probably abusing him mentally and emotionally too. If anyone here can be described as “abusive,” all the evidence points to her as the abuser.
can you explain how he ended up with her car?
He is innocent until proven guilty. He has not burden of proof. But I’m just like you: a disinterested observer. 3 possible scenarios I see:
- she committed suicide, or
- she stormed off in a fit of rage; maybe they had yet another major fight (they did that a lot) or
- he abandoned her or
- he killed her (probably pushed her over a cliff).
But yes - self defense is also possible: we know she was the one physically abusing him.
Ok. Then why won't he share the last time and place he saw her with the police?
His lawyer.
Most lawyers do not practice criminal defense. But a criminal defense lawyer knows the police have only one goal here:
- obtain a conviction.
It appears it is in the client’s best interest in this case is to stay silent, and every lawyer has a duty to provide zealous advocacy to their client. So the “person of interest” has been widely advised to remain silent. Sorry if that sounds cold to the non-lawyers.
the police can testify about his silence (you can thank the a 5-4 Supreme Court for that one)
Yeah, no. The police can ONLY testify as to what his lawyer and his parents have said to the police.
The “person of interest” has not interacted with the police in Florida whatsoever.
It is not a crime to follow your lawyer’s advice.
if they have asked to speak with him and he has said no, they can absolutely testify to that
Anonymous
09/17/2021 11:29
Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Posting a different viewpoint and wondering if any of the PP’s on this thread have viewed the police interview with the couple when Gabby was reported to the police for assaulting Brian in Moab ??
Because, maybe if more people watched that tape, they’d take a more neutral approach. Having watched the full one hour police bodycam interview of both Gabby & Brian I have a few questions :
1) Gabby was nearly arrested for assault of Brian - there was a witness who called the police and that is why the police pulled the couple over) in July - towards the end of that tape, Gabby calls her parents - so - where are the parents in this for the next 6 weeks ??? Think about it everyone: you , as the parent of a 22 year old - have just been called and notified that your daughter has been pulled over by the police and almost charged with battery - and given a court date - had the cop not changed his mind - you know she is unemployed, is living in a van ( homeless) and has no purpose other than trying to gain fame and influence through writing a “ blog” about how she and her bf are ,” having a great adventure exploring the west “ - except it’s obvious that is all FAKE - they are 2 unstable young people, without jobs and violence has broken out in their relationship in which they are holed up together in basically - living out of a vehicle
What is Brian’s obligation to her vs to himself ? He is not her husband or her father and he is same age as her . He is free to leave her and just go home . That is not a crime . He is not supervising her as an adult over a minor ? She had attacked him previously and - had the Utah cops charged her as they could have, Gabby would have had to show up in court in Utah in August .
Maybe she assaulted him again ? Maybe she is unstable and ran away from him . Maybe she hitched a ride with someone else afterwards.
Granted, he should have left on his own if the van was registered to her, but in the police video Gabby says that she doesn’t really ever drive the van so maybe - you all don’t know this - maybe they had an agreement that he go home in the Van . For all you know , maybe all this drama is caused by this girl
Signed,
A woman
Your victim blaming is vile.
Is there really no responsibility of ones fiancé to not put you in a dangerous situation or keep your safe? He also took her car leaving her now way out. Why didn't he take responsibility for himself and fly his ass home?
By your theory you should not expect your husband to keep you safe, ensuring you have shelter, food and money, correct? A marriage certificate doesn't grant you any more rights as a human than Gabby deserves. What if both your parents die, do you deserve less than someone with parents because no other adult human has to care about your wellbeing? I am sure you dont expect your babysitter, teacher or doctor to keep your children safe and make decisions in their best interest right?
Anonymous
09/17/2021 11:27
Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Yeah, no. The police can ONLY testify as to what his lawyer and his parents have said to the police.
No, Salinas v. Texas, but only applies when the 5th is not applicable or invoked.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 11:26
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Two women who worked at the co-op where the missing girl and her bf were fighting were found murdered while camping in the area. A man with an arsenal of weapons is the suspect.
She might have been killed by that other guy. That’s what the police are looking into now.
Check out the Daily Mail.
That's my problem. He is a dirt bag and abusive, but that doesn't mean he killed her.
Wait - we know SHE was physically abusing him! (and he didn’t fight back apparently).
plus she admits she is mentally ill on the video, she knows it, but she isn’t being treated.
She was probably abusing him mentally and emotionally too. If anyone here can be described as “abusive,” all the evidence points to her as the abuser.
Respectfully, we don't know she was abusing him. We know she slapped him but the police determined the situation did not rise to the definition of aDV. Additionally, all the other facts point to her as having much less power in the relationship. When the police interview her in the beginning, she cries and says he doesn't support her, he told her she was incapable of running a blog, and that she makes him upset. She accused him of literally NOTHING. Abusers don't see themselves as the problem and don't cry about making not living up to the other person's standards. Both of them discuss that he locked her out of the car. And the reason he is upset is that he wants to go hiking while she wanted to clean and work. He claims she is OCD and constantly cleaning, yet when they open the van we can see that the van is a total mess. And when they describe the fight I front of the Coop restaurant, she said she was concerned he would take (her) van and leave her there with no ride.
Yes she slapped him. But given the totality of facts, it's pretty clear he's the dominant one. He even presses the cops to reveal what she said about him- "hopefully she didn't say anything too bad about me".
Finally, he returned to Florida in HER vehicle and went around with it like it was his. He made no attempts to return her vehicle to the family or to her. Great, she slapped him-- I guess she's an imperfect victim, like everyone else.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 11:24
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Maybe he really wants to tell the police, but his parents and his lawyer won’t let him?
Maybe he cannot talk to the police?
His mental disability probably lessens his ability to act against the advice of his lawyer, and his mom and dad, and give the police information they can and will use against him.
He is a victim.
Maybe he cannot talk to the police?
His mental disability probably lessens his ability to act against the advice of his lawyer, and his mom and dad, and give the police information they can and will use against him.
He is a victim.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 11:17
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Two women who worked at the co-op where the missing girl and her bf were fighting were found murdered while camping in the area. A man with an arsenal of weapons is the suspect.
She might have been killed by that other guy. That’s what the police are looking into now.
Check out the Daily Mail.
That's my problem. He is a dirt bag and abusive, but that doesn't mean he killed her.
Wait - we know SHE was physically abusing him! (and he didn’t fight back apparently).
plus she admits she is mentally ill on the video, she knows it, but she isn’t being treated.
She was probably abusing him mentally and emotionally too. If anyone here can be described as “abusive,” all the evidence points to her as the abuser.
can you explain how he ended up with her car?
He is innocent until proven guilty. He has not burden of proof. But I’m just like you: a disinterested observer. 3 possible scenarios I see:
- she committed suicide, or
- she stormed off in a fit of rage; maybe they had yet another major fight (they did that a lot) or
- he abandoned her or
- he killed her (probably pushed her over a cliff).
But yes - self defense is also possible: we know she was the one physically abusing him.
Ok. Then why won't he share the last time and place he saw her with the police?
His lawyer.
Most lawyers do not practice criminal defense. But a criminal defense lawyer knows the police have only one goal here:
- obtain a conviction.
It appears it is in the client’s best interest in this case is to stay silent, and every lawyer has a duty to provide zealous advocacy to their client. So the “person of interest” has been widely advised to remain silent. Sorry if that sounds cold to the non-lawyers.
the police can testify about his silence (you can thank the a 5-4 Supreme Court for that one)
Yeah, no. The police can ONLY testify as to what his lawyer and his parents have said to the police.
The “person of interest” has not interacted with the police in Florida whatsoever.
It is not a crime to follow your lawyer’s advice.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 11:16
Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is that short word they blocked out long enough to be ‘depression’? Maybe mania?
I'm willing to bet that 99 times out of 100 male troopers would ALWAYS say the woman more depressed, more crazy. Every time. This means ZERO to me.
I think you can see the dotted i and and bottom of the y in "anxiety" as the blacked-out word. But the captions of his instagram posts scream bipolar to me.