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Anonymous wrote:Aug boys are in the best positions now. They can ‘choose’ to be the oldest in an ECNL team, middle in a MLSN1 team, and youngest in an ECNL team (use grade as a leverage to play up if desired) depending on the individual development phases. There is no one fit all situation, but having options based on individual needs is the best thing one can hope for.

I would argue that Aug boys birthdays have to play up with their grade if they want to play on a MLSN1 BY team. MLSN has biobanding so youd need to be able to play against older players to be considered.

Definitely not. MLSN1 recruiting is much more try a few practices. No need to play up in SY at all

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Anonymous wrote:One data point: A Top ECNL boy club. One late boomer Aug kid on 8th grade, having little time playing time on the 2012 team is asked by the head coach to play on the 2013 team (Same coach) starting from July. And parents pretty happy about it

This makes no sense.

An Aug 2012 will be playing up a year right now in BY. When BY changes to SY depending on when the school district starts they will either be rostered on a 2013 team thats their grade in school OR they would be rostered on a 2014 team a grade down. In the second situation Aug birthdays play up a year so they're playing on the 2013 team thats their grade in school.

What you're trying to make sound negative is whats supposed to happen switching from BY to SY.

The way I read it is the player is Aug 2012, been playing BY 2012. Now they have a choice to play with the current 2013s, which next year will be a mix of late 2012s and early 2013s. The Aug player will get more playing time now because they will be one of the oldest.

The oldest is the gift from the gods that BY supporters (aka Q1 parents) are still salty about losing.

So much so they're trying to get misaligned Aug-Sep players to stay the youngest on their teams -- which may be appropriate if they're good enough.

False. Best play up, grades don't matter said clubs.

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Anonymous wrote:One data point: A Top ECNL boy club. One late boomer Aug kid on 8th grade, having little time playing time on the 2012 team is asked by the head coach to play on the 2013 team (Same coach) starting from July. And parents pretty happy about it

This makes no sense.

An Aug 2012 will be playing up a year right now in BY. When BY changes to SY depending on when the school district starts they will either be rostered on a 2013 team thats their grade in school OR they would be rostered on a 2014 team a grade down. In the second situation Aug birthdays play up a year so they're playing on the 2013 team thats their grade in school.

What you're trying to make sound negative is whats supposed to happen switching from BY to SY.

The way I read it is the player is Aug 2012, been playing BY 2012. Now they have a choice to play with the current 2013s, which next year will be a mix of late 2012s and early 2013s. The Aug player will get more playing time now because they will be one of the oldest.

Maybe, it's probably fair to assume that a player used to playing up will do well if changed to playing on a team thats their grade in school. But you never know.

When it comes to college recruiting it will be much easier to get noticed playing on a team thats your grade in school. This goes both ways (playing up and down) although playing up can be beneficial if marketed correctly. What most people dont understand is that theres a rhythm with recruiting and college coaches. 90% of looking at/for players occurs Sophmore year. If you're misaligned either way college coaches tend to overlook you. Sure you can reach out to XYZ coach or depend on promotion from your club. But you're not in alignment with college coach processes and procedures which just makes things harder.

Here is an example, play on age, perform well, get motivated, go to Id sessions, contact college coaches, go to more ID sessions, get good grades, get an offer. Age group doesn't matter, being the best player you can be matters. No such thing as " harder" or easier recruiting. They take foreign players and transfers.

Stamp your feet and cry all you want but Aug birthdays playing down a grade is a serious challenge with college recruiting.

No such think as playing down. No stamping feet. No coaches said anyone able to go to college is in recruitable. Best chance to play in college is to be oldest month.

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Anonymous wrote:One data point: A Top ECNL boy club. One late boomer Aug kid on 8th grade, having little time playing time on the 2012 team is asked by the head coach to play on the 2013 team (Same coach) starting from July. And parents pretty happy about it

This makes no sense.

An Aug 2012 will be playing up a year right now in BY. When BY changes to SY depending on when the school district starts they will either be rostered on a 2013 team thats their grade in school OR they would be rostered on a 2014 team a grade down. In the second situation Aug birthdays play up a year so they're playing on the 2013 team thats their grade in school.

What you're trying to make sound negative is whats supposed to happen switching from BY to SY.

The way I read it is the player is Aug 2012, been playing BY 2012. Now they have a choice to play with the current 2013s, which next year will be a mix of late 2012s and early 2013s. The Aug player will get more playing time now because they will be one of the oldest.

Maybe, it's probably fair to assume that a player used to playing up will do well if changed to playing on a team thats their grade in school. But you never know.

When it comes to college recruiting it will be much easier to get noticed playing on a team thats your grade in school. This goes both ways (playing up and down) although playing up can be beneficial if marketed correctly. What most people dont understand is that theres a rhythm with recruiting and college coaches. 90% of looking at/for players occurs Sophmore year. If you're misaligned either way college coaches tend to overlook you. Sure you can reach out to XYZ coach or depend on promotion from your club. But you're not in alignment with college coach processes and procedures which just makes things harder.

Here is an example, play on age, perform well, get motivated, go to Id sessions, contact college coaches, go to more ID sessions, get good grades, get an offer. Age group doesn't matter, being the best player you can be matters. No such thing as " harder" or easier recruiting. They take foreign players and transfers.

Stamp your feet and cry all you want but Aug birthdays playing down a grade is a serious challenge with college recruiting.

It's a logistical challenge, but it remains to be seen how "serious" it is. You definitely are in the doom and gloom camp for those players.

Theres 2 factors you can count on.

1. College coaches will have a lot of players to choose from
2. College coaches have limited time to review players

Anything odd or non standard (aug birthdays playing down a grade) adds an unknown into the equation. If theres 10 equivalent options that dont have that unknown this is who they'll pick.

Hence, a potential logistical challenge. BUT coaches deal with all sorts of these uneven situations now since BY teams are basically 2 grades as others have noted with transfers, international students, etc. Heck, coaches still go to HS games to watch potential recruits, fields full of players from different grades. And coaches are less likely to be concerned if there watching these players at a top level club.

At the end of the day, the player needs to what's in their best interest. Playing up to play on grade might mean bench time OR playing on a B team that draws little interest from scouts vs. playing on an A team where you would get seen and perhaps stand out as an older, more experienced player (especially during this transition). Still, these players shouldn't take anything for granted and talk to their coaches and colleges they are interested in to find out what's the best path.

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Anonymous wrote:One data point: A Top ECNL boy club. One late boomer Aug kid on 8th grade, having little time playing time on the 2012 team is asked by the head coach to play on the 2013 team (Same coach) starting from July. And parents pretty happy about it

This makes no sense.

An Aug 2012 will be playing up a year right now in BY. When BY changes to SY depending on when the school district starts they will either be rostered on a 2013 team thats their grade in school OR they would be rostered on a 2014 team a grade down. In the second situation Aug birthdays play up a year so they're playing on the 2013 team thats their grade in school.

What you're trying to make sound negative is whats supposed to happen switching from BY to SY.

The way I read it is the player is Aug 2012, been playing BY 2012. Now they have a choice to play with the current 2013s, which next year will be a mix of late 2012s and early 2013s. The Aug player will get more playing time now because they will be one of the oldest.

Maybe, it's probably fair to assume that a player used to playing up will do well if changed to playing on a team thats their grade in school. But you never know.

When it comes to college recruiting it will be much easier to get noticed playing on a team thats your grade in school. This goes both ways (playing up and down) although playing up can be beneficial if marketed correctly. What most people dont understand is that theres a rhythm with recruiting and college coaches. 90% of looking at/for players occurs Sophmore year. If you're misaligned either way college coaches tend to overlook you. Sure you can reach out to XYZ coach or depend on promotion from your club. But you're not in alignment with college coach processes and procedures which just makes things harder.

Here is an example, play on age, perform well, get motivated, go to Id sessions, contact college coaches, go to more ID sessions, get good grades, get an offer. Age group doesn't matter, being the best player you can be matters. No such thing as " harder" or easier recruiting. They take foreign players and transfers.

Stamp your feet and cry all you want but Aug birthdays playing down a grade is a serious challenge with college recruiting.

It's a logistical challenge, but it remains to be seen how "serious" it is. You definitely are in the doom and gloom camp for those players.

Theres 2 factors you can count on.

1. College coaches will have a lot of players to choose from
2. College coaches have limited time to review players

Anything odd or non standard (aug birthdays playing down a grade) adds an unknown into the equation. If theres 10 equivalent options that dont have that unknown this is who they'll pick.

And 3: College coaches said they don't care your youth age group, or transfer or foreign. Get grades be good. Done deal.

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Anonymous wrote:One data point: A Top ECNL boy club. One late boomer Aug kid on 8th grade, having little time playing time on the 2012 team is asked by the head coach to play on the 2013 team (Same coach) starting from July. And parents pretty happy about it

This makes no sense.

An Aug 2012 will be playing up a year right now in BY. When BY changes to SY depending on when the school district starts they will either be rostered on a 2013 team thats their grade in school OR they would be rostered on a 2014 team a grade down. In the second situation Aug birthdays play up a year so they're playing on the 2013 team thats their grade in school.

What you're trying to make sound negative is whats supposed to happen switching from BY to SY.

The way I read it is the player is Aug 2012, been playing BY 2012. Now they have a choice to play with the current 2013s, which next year will be a mix of late 2012s and early 2013s. The Aug player will get more playing time now because they will be one of the oldest.

Maybe, it's probably fair to assume that a player used to playing up will do well if changed to playing on a team thats their grade in school. But you never know.

When it comes to college recruiting it will be much easier to get noticed playing on a team thats your grade in school. This goes both ways (playing up and down) although playing up can be beneficial if marketed correctly. What most people dont understand is that theres a rhythm with recruiting and college coaches. 90% of looking at/for players occurs Sophmore year. If you're misaligned either way college coaches tend to overlook you. Sure you can reach out to XYZ coach or depend on promotion from your club. But you're not in alignment with college coach processes and procedures which just makes things harder.

Here is an example, play on age, perform well, get motivated, go to Id sessions, contact college coaches, go to more ID sessions, get good grades, get an offer. Age group doesn't matter, being the best player you can be matters. No such thing as " harder" or easier recruiting. They take foreign players and transfers.

Stamp your feet and cry all you want but Aug birthdays playing down a grade is a serious challenge with college recruiting.

It's a logistical challenge, but it remains to be seen how "serious" it is. You definitely are in the doom and gloom camp for those players.

Theres 2 factors you can count on.

1. College coaches will have a lot of players to choose from
2. College coaches have limited time to review players

Anything odd or non standard (aug birthdays playing down a grade) adds an unknown into the equation. If theres 10 equivalent options that dont have that unknown this is who they'll pick.

Anonymous wrote:Aug boys are in the best positions now. They can ‘choose’ to be the oldest in an ECNL team, middle in a MLSN1 team, and youngest in an ECNL team (use grade as a leverage to play up if desired) depending on the individual development phases. There is no one fit all situation, but having options based on individual needs is the best thing one can hope for.

I would argue that Aug boys birthdays have to play up with their grade if they want to play on a MLSN1 BY team. MLSN has biobanding so youd need to be able to play against older players to be considered.

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Good point.

Aug boys are in the best positions now. They can ‘choose’ to be the oldest in an ECNL team, middle in a MLSN1 team, and youngest in an ECNL team (use grade as a leverage to play up if desired) depending on the individual development phases. There is no one fit all situation, but having options based on individual needs is the best thing one can hope for.

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Anonymous wrote:One data point: A Top ECNL boy club. One late boomer Aug kid on 8th grade, having little time playing time on the 2012 team is asked by the head coach to play on the 2013 team (Same coach) starting from July. And parents pretty happy about it

This makes no sense.

An Aug 2012 will be playing up a year right now in BY. When BY changes to SY depending on when the school district starts they will either be rostered on a 2013 team thats their grade in school OR they would be rostered on a 2014 team a grade down. In the second situation Aug birthdays play up a year so they're playing on the 2013 team thats their grade in school.

What you're trying to make sound negative is whats supposed to happen switching from BY to SY.

The way I read it is the player is Aug 2012, been playing BY 2012. Now they have a choice to play with the current 2013s, which next year will be a mix of late 2012s and early 2013s. The Aug player will get more playing time now because they will be one of the oldest.

Maybe, it's probably fair to assume that a player used to playing up will do well if changed to playing on a team thats their grade in school. But you never know.

When it comes to college recruiting it will be much easier to get noticed playing on a team thats your grade in school. This goes both ways (playing up and down) although playing up can be beneficial if marketed correctly. What most people dont understand is that theres a rhythm with recruiting and college coaches. 90% of looking at/for players occurs Sophmore year. If you're misaligned either way college coaches tend to overlook you. Sure you can reach out to XYZ coach or depend on promotion from your club. But you're not in alignment with college coach processes and procedures which just makes things harder.

Here is an example, play on age, perform well, get motivated, go to Id sessions, contact college coaches, go to more ID sessions, get good grades, get an offer. Age group doesn't matter, being the best player you can be matters. No such thing as " harder" or easier recruiting. They take foreign players and transfers.

Stamp your feet and cry all you want but Aug birthdays playing down a grade is a serious challenge with college recruiting.

It's a logistical challenge, but it remains to be seen how "serious" it is. You definitely are in the doom and gloom camp for those players.

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Anonymous wrote:One data point: A Top ECNL boy club. One late boomer Aug kid on 8th grade, having little time playing time on the 2012 team is asked by the head coach to play on the 2013 team (Same coach) starting from July. And parents pretty happy about it

This makes no sense.

An Aug 2012 will be playing up a year right now in BY. When BY changes to SY depending on when the school district starts they will either be rostered on a 2013 team thats their grade in school OR they would be rostered on a 2014 team a grade down. In the second situation Aug birthdays play up a year so they're playing on the 2013 team thats their grade in school.

What you're trying to make sound negative is whats supposed to happen switching from BY to SY.

The way I read it is the player is Aug 2012, been playing BY 2012. Now they have a choice to play with the current 2013s, which next year will be a mix of late 2012s and early 2013s. The Aug player will get more playing time now because they will be one of the oldest.

The oldest is the gift from the gods that BY supporters (aka Q1 parents) are still salty about losing.

So much so they're trying to get misaligned Aug-Sep players to stay the youngest on their teams -- which may be appropriate if they're good enough.

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Anonymous wrote:One data point: A Top ECNL boy club. One late boomer Aug kid on 8th grade, having little time playing time on the 2012 team is asked by the head coach to play on the 2013 team (Same coach) starting from July. And parents pretty happy about it

This makes no sense.

An Aug 2012 will be playing up a year right now in BY. When BY changes to SY depending on when the school district starts they will either be rostered on a 2013 team thats their grade in school OR they would be rostered on a 2014 team a grade down. In the second situation Aug birthdays play up a year so they're playing on the 2013 team thats their grade in school.

What you're trying to make sound negative is whats supposed to happen switching from BY to SY.

The way I read it is the player is Aug 2012, been playing BY 2012. Now they have a choice to play with the current 2013s, which next year will be a mix of late 2012s and early 2013s. The Aug player will get more playing time now because they will be one of the oldest.

Maybe, it's probably fair to assume that a player used to playing up will do well if changed to playing on a team thats their grade in school. But you never know.

When it comes to college recruiting it will be much easier to get noticed playing on a team thats your grade in school. This goes both ways (playing up and down) although playing up can be beneficial if marketed correctly. What most people dont understand is that theres a rhythm with recruiting and college coaches. 90% of looking at/for players occurs Sophmore year. If you're misaligned either way college coaches tend to overlook you. Sure you can reach out to XYZ coach or depend on promotion from your club. But you're not in alignment with college coach processes and procedures which just makes things harder.

Here is an example, play on age, perform well, get motivated, go to Id sessions, contact college coaches, go to more ID sessions, get good grades, get an offer. Age group doesn't matter, being the best player you can be matters. No such thing as " harder" or easier recruiting. They take foreign players and transfers.

Stamp your feet and cry all you want but Aug birthdays playing down a grade is a serious challenge with college recruiting.

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Anonymous wrote:One data point: A Top ECNL boy club. One late boomer Aug kid on 8th grade, having little time playing time on the 2012 team is asked by the head coach to play on the 2013 team (Same coach) starting from July. And parents pretty happy about it

This makes no sense.

An Aug 2012 will be playing up a year right now in BY. When BY changes to SY depending on when the school district starts they will either be rostered on a 2013 team thats their grade in school OR they would be rostered on a 2014 team a grade down. In the second situation Aug birthdays play up a year so they're playing on the 2013 team thats their grade in school.

What you're trying to make sound negative is whats supposed to happen switching from BY to SY.

The way I read it is the player is Aug 2012, been playing BY 2012. Now they have a choice to play with the current 2013s, which next year will be a mix of late 2012s and early 2013s. The Aug player will get more playing time now because they will be one of the oldest.

Maybe, it's probably fair to assume that a player used to playing up will do well if changed to playing on a team thats their grade in school. But you never know.

When it comes to college recruiting it will be much easier to get noticed playing on a team thats your grade in school. This goes both ways (playing up and down) although playing up can be beneficial if marketed correctly. What most people dont understand is that theres a rhythm with recruiting and college coaches. 90% of looking at/for players occurs Sophmore year. If you're misaligned either way college coaches tend to overlook you. Sure you can reach out to XYZ coach or depend on promotion from your club. But you're not in alignment with college coach processes and procedures which just makes things harder.

Heres an example.

College coaches watch Sophmore youth players and get everything lined up for official offers to be provided Junior year. If you're an Aug birthday playing down on a Freshman team. It will be more difficult for college coaches to see you. In Showcases you wont be playing at the times and field locations as Sophmore teams. So the coach has two options trek over to a weird field or time to see you. Or they just wait untill next season when you're playing at the Sophmore level to assess. They know that players playing down arent in demand. So now your picked last if at all.

That's an example from someone who doesn't know recruiting. It's push not pull. Need good highlights and a good IDs. And showcases will be able to play up so that's solved.

Playing up an age group is a bad idea because coming off the bench or playing a full in position constantly and not your best fit doesn't help playing well. And playing on the second team one age group up would get you buried.

Best to play on age like leagues and teams want you too. Unless your kid just wants to play lower tier with buddies.

Its both and you need to count on college coaches being lazy.

Also I wouldnt count on the marketing team getting you on a team. In rhe end players need to deliver on the field. Wins allow college coaches to keep their job.

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Anonymous wrote:One data point: A Top ECNL boy club. One late boomer Aug kid on 8th grade, having little time playing time on the 2012 team is asked by the head coach to play on the 2013 team (Same coach) starting from July. And parents pretty happy about it

This makes no sense.

An Aug 2012 will be playing up a year right now in BY. When BY changes to SY depending on when the school district starts they will either be rostered on a 2013 team thats their grade in school OR they would be rostered on a 2014 team a grade down. In the second situation Aug birthdays play up a year so they're playing on the 2013 team thats their grade in school.

What you're trying to make sound negative is whats supposed to happen switching from BY to SY.

The way I read it is the player is Aug 2012, been playing BY 2012. Now they have a choice to play with the current 2013s, which next year will be a mix of late 2012s and early 2013s. The Aug player will get more playing time now because they will be one of the oldest.

Maybe, it's probably fair to assume that a player used to playing up will do well if changed to playing on a team thats their grade in school. But you never know.

When it comes to college recruiting it will be much easier to get noticed playing on a team thats your grade in school. This goes both ways (playing up and down) although playing up can be beneficial if marketed correctly. What most people dont understand is that theres a rhythm with recruiting and college coaches. 90% of looking at/for players occurs Sophmore year. If you're misaligned either way college coaches tend to overlook you. Sure you can reach out to XYZ coach or depend on promotion from your club. But you're not in alignment with college coach processes and procedures which just makes things harder.

Here is an example, play on age, perform well, get motivated, go to Id sessions, contact college coaches, go to more ID sessions, get good grades, get an offer. Age group doesn't matter, being the best player you can be matters. No such thing as " harder" or easier recruiting. They take foreign players and transfers.

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Anonymous wrote:One data point: A Top ECNL boy club. One late boomer Aug kid on 8th grade, having little time playing time on the 2012 team is asked by the head coach to play on the 2013 team (Same coach) starting from July. And parents pretty happy about it

This makes no sense.

An Aug 2012 will be playing up a year right now in BY. When BY changes to SY depending on when the school district starts they will either be rostered on a 2013 team thats their grade in school OR they would be rostered on a 2014 team a grade down. In the second situation Aug birthdays play up a year so they're playing on the 2013 team thats their grade in school.

What you're trying to make sound negative is whats supposed to happen switching from BY to SY.

The way I read it is the player is Aug 2012, been playing BY 2012. Now they have a choice to play with the current 2013s, which next year will be a mix of late 2012s and early 2013s. The Aug player will get more playing time now because they will be one of the oldest.

The oldest is the gift from the gods that BY supporters (aka Q1 parents) are still salty about losing.