Anonymous wrote:Here's WME's statement, by the way. Unequivocal, from Deadline:
“In an industry that too often asks women to absorb the damage and stay quiet, Blake Lively chose to stand up for herself, her castmates, and those without the ability to fight back,” a spokesperson for the Richard Weitz and Christian Muirhead run talent agency told Deadline this Good Friday. “She has met this moment with courage, moral clarity, and extraordinary determination.”
“Even as others have tried to turn this case into a spectacle, she has kept the focus where it belongs: on facts, accountability, and the right to speak up without fear of retaliation,” WME said of Lively today, woth a swipe at Baldoni and his sanction escaping lawyer Bryan Freeeman. “In doing so, she has helped expose the devastating harm caused by covert digital takedown campaigns designed to intimidate, discredit, and drown out the truth."
"She and her family have our full support as this case moves to trial."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It speaks volumes that Blake and Ryan still have to close their comments and Justin does not. He’s gotten flooded with celebratory messages since the ruling.
Also speaks volumes that Blake cannot shut up about this case and has posted 20 unhinged stories since the judge’s ruling and Justin has said nothing.
And again no celeb friends saying anything in support of Blake.
Yes, it speaks to the fact that Baldoni supporters are insane and will dedicate their lives to harassing people they don't know in their Instagram comments, and Blake's supporters don't feel comfortable harassing even people they dislike.
WME came out with a very strong statement of support for Blake.
The agency that makes money when she or he husbands works wrote a strong statement of support, you say? Why ever would that be persuasive of anything other than they have a financial interest in Blake and Ryan?
WME doesn't just rep Blake and Ryan. They are one of a small number of agencies that rep all the A-list and most of the B-list talent in Hollywood. And not just actors - directors too. WME's support is industry support and a strong, unequivocal statement of support like that reflects more than just their personal agents backing them.
Please point to the industry support celebrating Justin's success in getting the SH claims tossed? Oh wait, there is none. Not even other prominent b'hai like Rainne Wilson are touching this.
Multiple articles since the decision came out mention Blake’s career being over or damaged but dont mention Justin’s.
You either are playing dumb or actually are dumb if you think her agency trying to do damage control is anything beyond that
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Baldoni's lawyers will file "Motions in Limine" to block Lively from detailing the alleged harassment, arguing it will unfairly poison the jury against him for claims he's already been cleared of. Judges despise "mini-trials" within a trial. The judge will likely allow Lively to testify that she complained about inappropriate behavior, but will cut her off if she tries to present extensive evidence or call multiple witnesses to prove the underlying behavior itself.
He hasn't been "cleared" of those claims. Lively is just prevented from bringing them because she is determined to have been an independent contractor, not an employee. She will be required to detail the alleged harassment in order to prove that she had a reasonable belief she had been harassed when she brought her complaint.
If it goes to trial, the jury *will* hear testimony and evident regarding the four incidents the judge has outlined, which are also her four strongest allegations. And he will be disinclined to limit further because he's already handed Wayfarer a win in how narrowly he's cut Lively's case. Why would he then cut it further? If he wanted to throw the whole thing out, he would have. He didn't.
Dp but the court actually did say about half of her sh allegations, as a matter of law, were deficient and could not be used as part of her retaliation case.
Also disagree about the strength of her remaining allegations. He called me sexy and he said I don’t watch porn is going nowhere once her texts and sexy boots video are presented. Further, much of her birthing scene allegations have bern discredited ( what she wearing, who was present, etc) which is going to put her credibility in question. Same with the trailer allegations.
But, again, she doesn't have to prove that the remaining allegations constituted sexual harassment. Only that it was reasonable for her to believe they did. I know within the echo chamber of pro-Baldoni Reddit, it's very hard to understand this. But the jurors will not be people who sit around watching Kjersti Flaa videos or speculating on whether Ryan Reynolds is secretly gay all day long. They'll just be regular people with lives.
Regular people with lives could be persuaded that a woman felt that being called sexy by her director, having a producer walk in on her nude after she requested he please not, having the director make a joke about her not watching porn, and being told that she needed to appear nude in a birth scene because "it's not normal" for women to wear hospital gowns during childbirth, added up to sexual harassment.
Keep in mind that some members of the jury will likely be women who have given birth wearing hospital gowns, and people who are horrified at the idea that someone they work with might insist on coming into a room where they were nude. Again, in pro-Baldoni bubble land, these are all normal things that anyone should accept, but in reality a lot of people will find that upsetting and will think "yeah, I can see why she thought she'd been harassed." And that's all she needs for this part of her case.
Agree with this, but I'm not sure how much it matters. Seems clear they retaliated against her and that's the meat of the case.
WaPo headline: Blake Lively's sexual harassment claims against Justin Baldoni tossed out but robust case remains
It matters because in order to show they retaliated, she must first show that her complaints were made in good faith
Tho one of the strongest pieces of evidence for this is cited in Liman's decision -- Baldoni commented (via text) that Blake clearly genuinely believed her allegations.
Dp. Strongest pieces of evidence for summary judgment when Liman must look at everything in the most favorable light to Blake. Of course, Justin wasn’t aware at the time of the dozens of texts Blake sent which didn’t mention sh at all, just her hate for Baldoni from before filming even started because he was a “clown” or the emails she was sending to Affeck and the like later.
And again, the jury has to agree her belief was reasonable, the standard is not subjective.
He also wasn't aware of the clown or affleck emails when he hired crisis PR to "bury" her, though. So that cuts against his argument.
How so? He was aware of other of her efforts to ruin him, you know, the public ones.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It speaks volumes that Blake and Ryan still have to close their comments and Justin does not. He’s gotten flooded with celebratory messages since the ruling.
Also speaks volumes that Blake cannot shut up about this case and has posted 20 unhinged stories since the judge’s ruling and Justin has said nothing.
And again no celeb friends saying anything in support of Blake.
Yes, it speaks to the fact that Baldoni supporters are insane and will dedicate their lives to harassing people they don't know in their Instagram comments, and Blake's supporters don't feel comfortable harassing even people they dislike.
WME came out with a very strong statement of support for Blake.
The agency that makes money when she or he husbands works wrote a strong statement of support, you say? Why ever would that be persuasive of anything other than they have a financial interest in Blake and Ryan?
WME doesn't just rep Blake and Ryan. They are one of a small number of agencies that rep all the A-list and most of the B-list talent in Hollywood. And not just actors - directors too. WME's support is industry support and a strong, unequivocal statement of support like that reflects more than just their personal agents backing them.
Please point to the industry support celebrating Justin's success in getting the SH claims tossed? Oh wait, there is none. Not even other prominent b'hai like Rainne Wilson are touching this.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Baldoni's lawyers will file "Motions in Limine" to block Lively from detailing the alleged harassment, arguing it will unfairly poison the jury against him for claims he's already been cleared of. Judges despise "mini-trials" within a trial. The judge will likely allow Lively to testify that she complained about inappropriate behavior, but will cut her off if she tries to present extensive evidence or call multiple witnesses to prove the underlying behavior itself.
He hasn't been "cleared" of those claims. Lively is just prevented from bringing them because she is determined to have been an independent contractor, not an employee. She will be required to detail the alleged harassment in order to prove that she had a reasonable belief she had been harassed when she brought her complaint.
If it goes to trial, the jury *will* hear testimony and evident regarding the four incidents the judge has outlined, which are also her four strongest allegations. And he will be disinclined to limit further because he's already handed Wayfarer a win in how narrowly he's cut Lively's case. Why would he then cut it further? If he wanted to throw the whole thing out, he would have. He didn't.
Dp but the court actually did say about half of her sh allegations, as a matter of law, were deficient and could not be used as part of her retaliation case.
Also disagree about the strength of her remaining allegations. He called me sexy and he said I don’t watch porn is going nowhere once her texts and sexy boots video are presented. Further, much of her birthing scene allegations have bern discredited ( what she wearing, who was present, etc) which is going to put her credibility in question. Same with the trailer allegations.
But, again, she doesn't have to prove that the remaining allegations constituted sexual harassment. Only that it was reasonable for her to believe they did. I know within the echo chamber of pro-Baldoni Reddit, it's very hard to understand this. But the jurors will not be people who sit around watching Kjersti Flaa videos or speculating on whether Ryan Reynolds is secretly gay all day long. They'll just be regular people with lives.
Regular people with lives could be persuaded that a woman felt that being called sexy by her director, having a producer walk in on her nude after she requested he please not, having the director make a joke about her not watching porn, and being told that she needed to appear nude in a birth scene because "it's not normal" for women to wear hospital gowns during childbirth, added up to sexual harassment.
Keep in mind that some members of the jury will likely be women who have given birth wearing hospital gowns, and people who are horrified at the idea that someone they work with might insist on coming into a room where they were nude. Again, in pro-Baldoni bubble land, these are all normal things that anyone should accept, but in reality a lot of people will find that upsetting and will think "yeah, I can see why she thought she'd been harassed." And that's all she needs for this part of her case.
Agree with this, but I'm not sure how much it matters. Seems clear they retaliated against her and that's the meat of the case.
WaPo headline: Blake Lively's sexual harassment claims against Justin Baldoni tossed out but robust case remains
It matters because in order to show they retaliated, she must first show that her complaints were made in good faith
Tho one of the strongest pieces of evidence for this is cited in Liman's decision -- Baldoni commented (via text) that Blake clearly genuinely believed her allegations.
Dp. Strongest pieces of evidence for summary judgment when Liman must look at everything in the most favorable light to Blake. Of course, Justin wasn’t aware at the time of the dozens of texts Blake sent which didn’t mention sh at all, just her hate for Baldoni from before filming even started because he was a “clown” or the emails she was sending to Affeck and the like later.
And again, the jury has to agree her belief was reasonable, the standard is not subjective.
He also wasn't aware of the clown or affleck emails when he hired crisis PR to "bury" her, though. So that cuts against his argument.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Baldoni's lawyers will file "Motions in Limine" to block Lively from detailing the alleged harassment, arguing it will unfairly poison the jury against him for claims he's already been cleared of. Judges despise "mini-trials" within a trial. The judge will likely allow Lively to testify that she complained about inappropriate behavior, but will cut her off if she tries to present extensive evidence or call multiple witnesses to prove the underlying behavior itself.
He hasn't been "cleared" of those claims. Lively is just prevented from bringing them because she is determined to have been an independent contractor, not an employee. She will be required to detail the alleged harassment in order to prove that she had a reasonable belief she had been harassed when she brought her complaint.
If it goes to trial, the jury *will* hear testimony and evident regarding the four incidents the judge has outlined, which are also her four strongest allegations. And he will be disinclined to limit further because he's already handed Wayfarer a win in how narrowly he's cut Lively's case. Why would he then cut it further? If he wanted to throw the whole thing out, he would have. He didn't.
Dp but the court actually did say about half of her sh allegations, as a matter of law, were deficient and could not be used as part of her retaliation case.
Also disagree about the strength of her remaining allegations. He called me sexy and he said I don’t watch porn is going nowhere once her texts and sexy boots video are presented. Further, much of her birthing scene allegations have bern discredited ( what she wearing, who was present, etc) which is going to put her credibility in question. Same with the trailer allegations.
But, again, she doesn't have to prove that the remaining allegations constituted sexual harassment. Only that it was reasonable for her to believe they did. I know within the echo chamber of pro-Baldoni Reddit, it's very hard to understand this. But the jurors will not be people who sit around watching Kjersti Flaa videos or speculating on whether Ryan Reynolds is secretly gay all day long. They'll just be regular people with lives.
Regular people with lives could be persuaded that a woman felt that being called sexy by her director, having a producer walk in on her nude after she requested he please not, having the director make a joke about her not watching porn, and being told that she needed to appear nude in a birth scene because "it's not normal" for women to wear hospital gowns during childbirth, added up to sexual harassment.
Keep in mind that some members of the jury will likely be women who have given birth wearing hospital gowns, and people who are horrified at the idea that someone they work with might insist on coming into a room where they were nude. Again, in pro-Baldoni bubble land, these are all normal things that anyone should accept, but in reality a lot of people will find that upsetting and will think "yeah, I can see why she thought she'd been harassed." And that's all she needs for this part of her case.
Agree with this, but I'm not sure how much it matters. Seems clear they retaliated against her and that's the meat of the case.
WaPo headline: Blake Lively's sexual harassment claims against Justin Baldoni tossed out but robust case remains
It matters because in order to show they retaliated, she must first show that her complaints were made in good faith
Tho one of the strongest pieces of evidence for this is cited in Liman's decision -- Baldoni commented (via text) that Blake clearly genuinely believed her allegations.
Dp. Strongest pieces of evidence for summary judgment when Liman must look at everything in the most favorable light to Blake. Of course, Justin wasn’t aware at the time of the dozens of texts Blake sent which didn’t mention sh at all, just her hate for Baldoni from before filming even started because he was a “clown” or the emails she was sending to Affeck and the like later.
And again, the jury has to agree her belief was reasonable, the standard is not subjective.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It speaks volumes that Blake and Ryan still have to close their comments and Justin does not. He’s gotten flooded with celebratory messages since the ruling.
Also speaks volumes that Blake cannot shut up about this case and has posted 20 unhinged stories since the judge’s ruling and Justin has said nothing.
And again no celeb friends saying anything in support of Blake.
Yes, it speaks to the fact that Baldoni supporters are insane and will dedicate their lives to harassing people they don't know in their Instagram comments, and Blake's supporters don't feel comfortable harassing even people they dislike.
WME came out with a very strong statement of support for Blake.
The agency that makes money when she or he husbands works wrote a strong statement of support, you say? Why ever would that be persuasive of anything other than they have a financial interest in Blake and Ryan?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Baldoni's lawyers will file "Motions in Limine" to block Lively from detailing the alleged harassment, arguing it will unfairly poison the jury against him for claims he's already been cleared of. Judges despise "mini-trials" within a trial. The judge will likely allow Lively to testify that she complained about inappropriate behavior, but will cut her off if she tries to present extensive evidence or call multiple witnesses to prove the underlying behavior itself.
He hasn't been "cleared" of those claims. Lively is just prevented from bringing them because she is determined to have been an independent contractor, not an employee. She will be required to detail the alleged harassment in order to prove that she had a reasonable belief she had been harassed when she brought her complaint.
If it goes to trial, the jury *will* hear testimony and evident regarding the four incidents the judge has outlined, which are also her four strongest allegations. And he will be disinclined to limit further because he's already handed Wayfarer a win in how narrowly he's cut Lively's case. Why would he then cut it further? If he wanted to throw the whole thing out, he would have. He didn't.
Dp but the court actually did say about half of her sh allegations, as a matter of law, were deficient and could not be used as part of her retaliation case.
Also disagree about the strength of her remaining allegations. He called me sexy and he said I don’t watch porn is going nowhere once her texts and sexy boots video are presented. Further, much of her birthing scene allegations have bern discredited ( what she wearing, who was present, etc) which is going to put her credibility in question. Same with the trailer allegations.
But, again, she doesn't have to prove that the remaining allegations constituted sexual harassment. Only that it was reasonable for her to believe they did. I know within the echo chamber of pro-Baldoni Reddit, it's very hard to understand this. But the jurors will not be people who sit around watching Kjersti Flaa videos or speculating on whether Ryan Reynolds is secretly gay all day long. They'll just be regular people with lives.
Regular people with lives could be persuaded that a woman felt that being called sexy by her director, having a producer walk in on her nude after she requested he please not, having the director make a joke about her not watching porn, and being told that she needed to appear nude in a birth scene because "it's not normal" for women to wear hospital gowns during childbirth, added up to sexual harassment.
Keep in mind that some members of the jury will likely be women who have given birth wearing hospital gowns, and people who are horrified at the idea that someone they work with might insist on coming into a room where they were nude. Again, in pro-Baldoni bubble land, these are all normal things that anyone should accept, but in reality a lot of people will find that upsetting and will think "yeah, I can see why she thought she'd been harassed." And that's all she needs for this part of her case.
Agree with this, but I'm not sure how much it matters. Seems clear they retaliated against her and that's the meat of the case.
WaPo headline: Blake Lively's sexual harassment claims against Justin Baldoni tossed out but robust case remains
It matters because in order to show they retaliated, she must first show that her complaints were made in good faith
Tho one of the strongest pieces of evidence for this is cited in Liman's decision -- Baldoni commented (via text) that Blake clearly genuinely believed her allegations.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It speaks volumes that Blake and Ryan still have to close their comments and Justin does not. He’s gotten flooded with celebratory messages since the ruling.
Also speaks volumes that Blake cannot shut up about this case and has posted 20 unhinged stories since the judge’s ruling and Justin has said nothing.
And again no celeb friends saying anything in support of Blake.
Yes, it speaks to the fact that Baldoni supporters are insane and will dedicate their lives to harassing people they don't know in their Instagram comments, and Blake's supporters don't feel comfortable harassing even people they dislike.
WME came out with a very strong statement of support for Blake.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It speaks volumes that Blake and Ryan still have to close their comments and Justin does not. He’s gotten flooded with celebratory messages since the ruling.
Also speaks volumes that Blake cannot shut up about this case and has posted 20 unhinged stories since the judge’s ruling and Justin has said nothing.
And again no celeb friends saying anything in support of Blake.
Yes, it speaks to the fact that Baldoni supporters are insane and will dedicate their lives to harassing people they don't know in their Instagram comments, and Blake's supporters don't feel comfortable harassing even people they dislike.
WME came out with a very strong statement of support for Blake.
Of course they did… Yet she has no movies lined up. Two movies on IMDb that have been there for going on a decade, and will none made at least not with her, and then the one she’s supposedly producing herself that has no cast or crew attached to it besides her.
But glad that her agency is still supporting her!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It speaks volumes that Blake and Ryan still have to close their comments and Justin does not. He’s gotten flooded with celebratory messages since the ruling.
Also speaks volumes that Blake cannot shut up about this case and has posted 20 unhinged stories since the judge’s ruling and Justin has said nothing.
And again no celeb friends saying anything in support of Blake.
Yes, it speaks to the fact that Baldoni supporters are insane and will dedicate their lives to harassing people they don't know in their Instagram comments, and Blake's supporters don't feel comfortable harassing even people they dislike.
WME came out with a very strong statement of support for Blake.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Baldoni's lawyers will file "Motions in Limine" to block Lively from detailing the alleged harassment, arguing it will unfairly poison the jury against him for claims he's already been cleared of. Judges despise "mini-trials" within a trial. The judge will likely allow Lively to testify that she complained about inappropriate behavior, but will cut her off if she tries to present extensive evidence or call multiple witnesses to prove the underlying behavior itself.
He hasn't been "cleared" of those claims. Lively is just prevented from bringing them because she is determined to have been an independent contractor, not an employee. She will be required to detail the alleged harassment in order to prove that she had a reasonable belief she had been harassed when she brought her complaint.
If it goes to trial, the jury *will* hear testimony and evident regarding the four incidents the judge has outlined, which are also her four strongest allegations. And he will be disinclined to limit further because he's already handed Wayfarer a win in how narrowly he's cut Lively's case. Why would he then cut it further? If he wanted to throw the whole thing out, he would have. He didn't.
Dp but the court actually did say about half of her sh allegations, as a matter of law, were deficient and could not be used as part of her retaliation case.
Also disagree about the strength of her remaining allegations. He called me sexy and he said I don’t watch porn is going nowhere once her texts and sexy boots video are presented. Further, much of her birthing scene allegations have bern discredited ( what she wearing, who was present, etc) which is going to put her credibility in question. Same with the trailer allegations.
But, again, she doesn't have to prove that the remaining allegations constituted sexual harassment. Only that it was reasonable for her to believe they did. I know within the echo chamber of pro-Baldoni Reddit, it's very hard to understand this. But the jurors will not be people who sit around watching Kjersti Flaa videos or speculating on whether Ryan Reynolds is secretly gay all day long. They'll just be regular people with lives.
Regular people with lives could be persuaded that a woman felt that being called sexy by her director, having a producer walk in on her nude after she requested he please not, having the director make a joke about her not watching porn, and being told that she needed to appear nude in a birth scene because "it's not normal" for women to wear hospital gowns during childbirth, added up to sexual harassment.
Keep in mind that some members of the jury will likely be women who have given birth wearing hospital gowns, and people who are horrified at the idea that someone they work with might insist on coming into a room where they were nude. Again, in pro-Baldoni bubble land, these are all normal things that anyone should accept, but in reality a lot of people will find that upsetting and will think "yeah, I can see why she thought she'd been harassed." And that's all she needs for this part of her case.
Agree with this, but I'm not sure how much it matters. Seems clear they retaliated against her and that's the meat of the case.
WaPo headline: Blake Lively's sexual harassment claims against Justin Baldoni tossed out but robust case remains