Anonymous wrote:Back in February, Biden said this:

“I will not send American servicemen to fight in Ukraine,” though he added that “if Russia targets Americans in Ukraine, we will respond forcefully.”

So, we have one dead American journalist and one injured.

I am awaiting this "forceful" response.

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Anonymous wrote:A brave woman held up a sign tonight during the 9pm Russian newscast: "Stop the war. Don't believe the propaganda. They're lying to you here."

More on this woman - her name is Marina Ovsyannikova and she works at Channel One. She recorded a statement beforehand, knowing she'd be immediately thrown in jail.

In it, she says her father is Ukrainian. She calls for anti-war protests, says she’s ashamed about working for Kremlin propaganda, and she denounces the war absolutely.
“They can’t put us all in prison,” is the last thing she says.

Brave woman.

That takes really courage. Is there a translation available?

Wow!! That takes guts Is there a translation available?

Very strange given her instagram posts supporting the war, the latest just yesterday:
https://instagram.com/ovsyannikova_marina?utm_medium=copy_link

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot comprehend the desire of so many pps here for the U.S.to enter war. Why? What difference does it make to you if Russia occupies even several European countries?
And why the outrage over what Russia is doing, but one pp being totally ok that the U.S. invaded Iraq for economic gains and almost 200K people killed or died as the direct or indirect casualties of the U.S invasion.
I can't wrap my mind around it, at all.

Then perhaps you can't read? Because I've been following this thread from the beginning and I haven't read more than a comment or two on American engagement in Ukraine.

Stop trolling.

Anonymous wrote:I cannot comprehend the desire of so many pps here for the U.S.to enter war. Why? What difference does it make to you if Russia occupies even several European countries?
And why the outrage over what Russia is doing, but one pp being totally ok that the U.S. invaded Iraq for economic gains and almost 200K people killed or died as the direct or indirect casualties of the U.S invasion.
I can't wrap my mind around it, at all.

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Anonymous wrote:And before he became a president, he was a great comedian, like Jon Stewart or Stephen Colbert. This is one of his most famous videos (yes, it's not very polite, but it's very funny):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oua0Puihrkc

My son, 16, just watched this over my shoulder and asked: "And on that basis he was elected President?"

Hmmm...

So you and your son think you are smarter than 70% of the voters in Ukraine ?

Zelenskyy's comedy also included a lot of astute political commentary. Yes, he did win a popular election, but his skeptics and critics were like the 16-year-old son and called him the "TV President" but with the leadership he's shown in the face of the invasion, he has gained massive, almost universal popularity within Ukraine.

Is is great leadership? Zelensky is an incredible, brave person, but I think his naivety is one of the ingredients leading to this situation. The outcome is most likely going to be virtually the same deal that could have been obtained from Russia prior to the outset of the war: an agreement to remain neutral in the struggle between Russia and the West, and an agreement to stay out of NATO.

Nothing will be gained in this fight, yet much will be lost. Don't get me wrong -- he is a remarkably brave person. But Putin is getting old, and it would have been wiser to simply wait him out, while quietly -- as opposed to overtly and brazenly -- developing a relationship with the West. The strategic partnership that Ukraine signed with the US on Nov 10, 2021, was a reckless move -- rather like declaring that Ukraine is engaged to the US, and will get married in the near future. A smarter strategy would have been to quietly build up Ukraine's military capabilities with help from the US, rather than to openly declare this intention.

Prior to the invasion, Zelenskyy's popularity in Ukraine was not high. He was seen as too conciliatory towards Russia, seeking compromise with the neighboring country rather than being a hardliner.

Neither Ukraine nor Zelenskyy are to blame for Russia's belligerence. Nor NATO nor the US etc.

But Zelensky signed off on the Nov 10, 2021 strategic partnership. That was clearly an aggressive move in the eyes of the Russian government. It is worth reading the agreement:

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And why did the US telegraph its moves like this? The build-up of the Ukraine military should have been handled covertly, to the extent possible.

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Anonymous wrote:A brave woman held up a sign tonight during the 9pm Russian newscast: "Stop the war. Don't believe the propaganda. They're lying to you here."

More on this woman - her name is Marina Ovsyannikova and she works at Channel One. She recorded a statement beforehand, knowing she'd be immediately thrown in jail.

In it, she says her father is Ukrainian. She calls for anti-war protests, says she’s ashamed about working for Kremlin propaganda, and she denounces the war absolutely.
“They can’t put us all in prison,” is the last thing she says.

Brave woman.

That takes really courage. Is there a translation available?

Wow!! That takes guts Is there a translation available?

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Anonymous wrote:A brave woman held up a sign tonight during the 9pm Russian newscast: "Stop the war. Don't believe the propaganda. They're lying to you here."

More on this woman - her name is Marina Ovsyannikova and she works at Channel One. She recorded a statement beforehand, knowing she'd be immediately thrown in jail.

In it, she says her father is Ukrainian. She calls for anti-war protests, says she’s ashamed about working for Kremlin propaganda, and she denounces the war absolutely.
“They can’t put us all in prison,” is the last thing she says.

Brave woman.

That takes really courage. Is there a translation available?

Wow!! That takes guts Is there a translation available?

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Anonymous wrote:A brave woman held up a sign tonight during the 9pm Russian newscast: "Stop the war. Don't believe the propaganda. They're lying to you here."

More on this woman - her name is Marina Ovsyannikova and she works at Channel One. She recorded a statement beforehand, knowing she'd be immediately thrown in jail.

In it, she says her father is Ukrainian. She calls for anti-war protests, says she’s ashamed about working for Kremlin propaganda, and she denounces the war absolutely.
“They can’t put us all in prison,” is the last thing she says.

Brave woman.

That takes really courage. Is there a translation available?

Wow!! That takes guts Is there a translation available?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A brave woman held up a sign tonight during the 9pm Russian newscast: "Stop the war. Don't believe the propaganda. They're lying to you here."

More on this woman - her name is Marina Ovsyannikova and she works at Channel One. She recorded a statement beforehand, knowing she'd be immediately thrown in jail.

In it, she says her father is Ukrainian. She calls for anti-war protests, says she’s ashamed about working for Kremlin propaganda, and she denounces the war absolutely.
“They can’t put us all in prison,” is the last thing she says.

Brave woman.

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Anonymous wrote:A brave woman held up a sign tonight during the 9pm Russian newscast: "Stop the war. Don't believe the propaganda. They're lying to you here."

More on this woman - her name is Marina Ovsyannikova and she works at Channel One. She recorded a statement beforehand, knowing she'd be immediately thrown in jail.

In it, she says her father is Ukrainian. She calls for anti-war protests, says she’s ashamed about working for Kremlin propaganda, and she denounces the war absolutely.
“They can’t put us all in prison,” is the last thing she says.