Anonymous
Post 06/23/2025 18:09     Subject: Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up
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Anonymous wrote:Also, for funsies:

Transportation
MCPS transports over 102,000 students to and from school every day, with over 96,000 for regular education and over 6,000 for special education services. DOT provides school buses to neighborhood schools, Head Start, magnet, International Baccalaureate, language immersion, consortium, and other special programs. There are over 1,200 MCPS buses on the road each day servicing schools for these programs. In addition, there are over 14,000 supplemental transportation services provided on an annual basis for field trips and extracurricular activities for instructional programs. The number of miles our bus drivers travel each school day would circle the equator more than four times, or over 100,000 miles each day.


Now do the miles that parents who drive their kids do and miles that parents with their own cars do. It is much more efficient to drive 50 kids in a school bus than 1 kid in an SUV.


Which high schools have parking lots big enough for all student drivers?
Anonymous
Post 06/23/2025 18:09     Subject: Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Also, for funsies:

Transportation
MCPS transports over 102,000 students to and from school every day, with over 96,000 for regular education and over 6,000 for special education services. DOT provides school buses to neighborhood schools, Head Start, magnet, International Baccalaureate, language immersion, consortium, and other special programs. There are over 1,200 MCPS buses on the road each day servicing schools for these programs. In addition, there are over 14,000 supplemental transportation services provided on an annual basis for field trips and extracurricular activities for instructional programs. The number of miles our bus drivers travel each school day would circle the equator more than four times, or over 100,000 miles each day.


Now do the miles that parents who drive their kids do and miles that parents with their own cars do. It is much more efficient to drive 50 kids in a school bus than 1 kid in an SUV.


Is it more efficient than walking or riding a bike in the walk zone?


It is not and goes against much material that MCPS wrote espousing neighborhood schools and walkability.
Anonymous
Post 06/23/2025 18:07     Subject: Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up
Well the kids in the walk zone in my neighborhood walk. My anecdote.
Anonymous
Post 06/23/2025 17:40     Subject: Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Also, for funsies:

Transportation
MCPS transports over 102,000 students to and from school every day, with over 96,000 for regular education and over 6,000 for special education services. DOT provides school buses to neighborhood schools, Head Start, magnet, International Baccalaureate, language immersion, consortium, and other special programs. There are over 1,200 MCPS buses on the road each day servicing schools for these programs. In addition, there are over 14,000 supplemental transportation services provided on an annual basis for field trips and extracurricular activities for instructional programs. The number of miles our bus drivers travel each school day would circle the equator more than four times, or over 100,000 miles each day.


Now do the miles that parents who drive their kids do and miles that parents with their own cars do. It is much more efficient to drive 50 kids in a school bus than 1 kid in an SUV.


Is it more efficient than walking or riding a bike in the walk zone?

That depends on whether or not they actually walk. I grew up just inside the walk zone for high school. Nobody walked. It's well known far too many parents drive their kids to school instead of walking or putting them on the bus. If you aren't aware of this then you haven't been near an MCPS school at bell time.
Anonymous
Post 06/23/2025 17:33     Subject: Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Also, for funsies:

Transportation
MCPS transports over 102,000 students to and from school every day, with over 96,000 for regular education and over 6,000 for special education services. DOT provides school buses to neighborhood schools, Head Start, magnet, International Baccalaureate, language immersion, consortium, and other special programs. There are over 1,200 MCPS buses on the road each day servicing schools for these programs. In addition, there are over 14,000 supplemental transportation services provided on an annual basis for field trips and extracurricular activities for instructional programs. The number of miles our bus drivers travel each school day would circle the equator more than four times, or over 100,000 miles each day.


Now do the miles that parents who drive their kids do and miles that parents with their own cars do. It is much more efficient to drive 50 kids in a school bus than 1 kid in an SUV.


Is it more efficient than walking or riding a bike in the walk zone?
Anonymous
Post 06/23/2025 17:31     Subject: Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up
Anonymous wrote:Also, for funsies:

Transportation
MCPS transports over 102,000 students to and from school every day, with over 96,000 for regular education and over 6,000 for special education services. DOT provides school buses to neighborhood schools, Head Start, magnet, International Baccalaureate, language immersion, consortium, and other special programs. There are over 1,200 MCPS buses on the road each day servicing schools for these programs. In addition, there are over 14,000 supplemental transportation services provided on an annual basis for field trips and extracurricular activities for instructional programs. The number of miles our bus drivers travel each school day would circle the equator more than four times, or over 100,000 miles each day.


Now do the miles that parents who drive their kids do and miles that parents with their own cars do. It is much more efficient to drive 50 kids in a school bus than 1 kid in an SUV.
Anonymous
Post 06/23/2025 16:31     Subject: Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up
Also, for funsies:

Transportation
MCPS transports over 102,000 students to and from school every day, with over 96,000 for regular education and over 6,000 for special education services. DOT provides school buses to neighborhood schools, Head Start, magnet, International Baccalaureate, language immersion, consortium, and other special programs. There are over 1,200 MCPS buses on the road each day servicing schools for these programs. In addition, there are over 14,000 supplemental transportation services provided on an annual basis for field trips and extracurricular activities for instructional programs. The number of miles our bus drivers travel each school day would circle the equator more than four times, or over 100,000 miles each day.
Anonymous
Post 06/23/2025 16:30     Subject: Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up
HOW IS MY SCHOOL FUNDED?
As the vast majority of the MCPS operating budget pays for personnel and funds the instructional program in each school, a common question often asked concerns how schools are staffed. Specifically, how does MCPS decide how many teachers, administrators, and support professionals work in each school? How does MCPS determine which schools will be allocated additional staff to have lower class sizes compared to other schools? These and many other questions can be answered by reviewing the following materials.
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/budget-101/index.html

Schools receive allocations based on enrollment, programs, and need. More kids = more money.

Things that could impact amount per kid would appear to be programs and need.
Anonymous
Post 06/23/2025 16:24     Subject: Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up
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Anonymous wrote:Don’t schools get a pretty uniform amount per student, with more for higher needs kids?


There are no high schools that receive Title 1 or Focus school funding. It is a few middle schools but mostly elementary schools. If you really cared as much as you claim, you would know this.


And yet the schools with the highest funding per student were W's.


Factually incorrect.
https://moderatelymoco.com/mcps-per-pupil-expenditure-by-each-high-school-2020-2022/


Churchill and Wheaton get about the same amount when tells me schools don't get more funding because of their farms rates


Yeah, funding at all high schools per student are in the same general ballpark, and a lot of the variation is driven by special ed costs, not other factors. And I don't think that MCPS provides much if any extra county funding to poorer high schools? The feds and state give more for poor kids but I think MCPS actually used to take some of the extra state funding for poorer kids and use it for other things, don't know if they still do that.





There are links upthread describing how funding is done by school. There's also data on the per pupil amounts for high schools. This might help provide answers to you.
Anonymous
Post 06/23/2025 16:14     Subject: Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up
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Anonymous wrote:Don’t schools get a pretty uniform amount per student, with more for higher needs kids?


There are no high schools that receive Title 1 or Focus school funding. It is a few middle schools but mostly elementary schools. If you really cared as much as you claim, you would know this.


And yet the schools with the highest funding per student were W's.


Factually incorrect.
https://moderatelymoco.com/mcps-per-pupil-expenditure-by-each-high-school-2020-2022/


Churchill and Wheaton get about the same amount when tells me schools don't get more funding because of their farms rates


Yeah, funding at all high schools per student are in the same general ballpark, and a lot of the variation is driven by special ed costs, not other factors. And I don't think that MCPS provides much if any extra county funding to poorer high schools? The feds and state give more for poor kids but I think MCPS actually used to take some of the extra state funding for poorer kids and use it for other things, don't know if they still do that.





It probably varies by staff salary.


Class size has a lot to do with it. An overcrowded school like WJ will be less per student.


WJ doesn't have many ESOL students or as many high needs SPED.


ELLs are not really a cost center in high school. At the ES level, MCPS does put substantially more resources into schools with large numbers of kids living in poverty and kids learning English. But by high school the per pupil spending number is driven almost entirely by the cost of educating kids with special needs.


Look at the courses offered at the DCC. They are very different and have tons of options there are also severely disabled at some hs.
Anonymous
Post 06/23/2025 16:06     Subject: Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Don’t schools get a pretty uniform amount per student, with more for higher needs kids?


There are no high schools that receive Title 1 or Focus school funding. It is a few middle schools but mostly elementary schools. If you really cared as much as you claim, you would know this.


And yet the schools with the highest funding per student were W's.


Factually incorrect.
https://moderatelymoco.com/mcps-per-pupil-expenditure-by-each-high-school-2020-2022/


Churchill and Wheaton get about the same amount when tells me schools don't get more funding because of their farms rates


Yeah, funding at all high schools per student are in the same general ballpark, and a lot of the variation is driven by special ed costs, not other factors. And I don't think that MCPS provides much if any extra county funding to poorer high schools? The feds and state give more for poor kids but I think MCPS actually used to take some of the extra state funding for poorer kids and use it for other things, don't know if they still do that.





It probably varies by staff salary.


Class size has a lot to do with it. An overcrowded school like WJ will be less per student.


WJ doesn't have many ESOL students or as many high needs SPED.


ELLs are not really a cost center in high school. At the ES level, MCPS does put substantially more resources into schools with large numbers of kids living in poverty and kids learning English. But by high school the per pupil spending number is driven almost entirely by the cost of educating kids with special needs.
Anonymous
Post 06/23/2025 15:57     Subject: Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Don’t schools get a pretty uniform amount per student, with more for higher needs kids?


There are no high schools that receive Title 1 or Focus school funding. It is a few middle schools but mostly elementary schools. If you really cared as much as you claim, you would know this.


And yet the schools with the highest funding per student were W's.


Factually incorrect.
https://moderatelymoco.com/mcps-per-pupil-expenditure-by-each-high-school-2020-2022/


Churchill and Wheaton get about the same amount when tells me schools don't get more funding because of their farms rates


Yeah, funding at all high schools per student are in the same general ballpark, and a lot of the variation is driven by special ed costs, not other factors. And I don't think that MCPS provides much if any extra county funding to poorer high schools? The feds and state give more for poor kids but I think MCPS actually used to take some of the extra state funding for poorer kids and use it for other things, don't know if they still do that.





It probably varies by staff salary.


Class size has a lot to do with it. An overcrowded school like WJ will be less per student.


WJ doesn't have many ESOL students or as many high needs SPED.
Anonymous
Post 06/23/2025 15:50     Subject: Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Don’t schools get a pretty uniform amount per student, with more for higher needs kids?


There are no high schools that receive Title 1 or Focus school funding. It is a few middle schools but mostly elementary schools. If you really cared as much as you claim, you would know this.


And yet the schools with the highest funding per student were W's.


Factually incorrect.
https://moderatelymoco.com/mcps-per-pupil-expenditure-by-each-high-school-2020-2022/


Churchill and Wheaton get about the same amount when tells me schools don't get more funding because of their farms rates


Yeah, funding at all high schools per student are in the same general ballpark, and a lot of the variation is driven by special ed costs, not other factors. And I don't think that MCPS provides much if any extra county funding to poorer high schools? The feds and state give more for poor kids but I think MCPS actually used to take some of the extra state funding for poorer kids and use it for other things, don't know if they still do that.





It probably varies by staff salary.


Class size has a lot to do with it. An overcrowded school like WJ will be less per student.


Overcrowded schools don't have larger class sizes
Anonymous
Post 06/23/2025 15:48     Subject: Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Don’t schools get a pretty uniform amount per student, with more for higher needs kids?


There are no high schools that receive Title 1 or Focus school funding. It is a few middle schools but mostly elementary schools. If you really cared as much as you claim, you would know this.


And yet the schools with the highest funding per student were W's.


Factually incorrect.
https://moderatelymoco.com/mcps-per-pupil-expenditure-by-each-high-school-2020-2022/


Churchill and Wheaton get about the same amount when tells me schools don't get more funding because of their farms rates


Yeah, funding at all high schools per student are in the same general ballpark, and a lot of the variation is driven by special ed costs, not other factors. And I don't think that MCPS provides much if any extra county funding to poorer high schools? The feds and state give more for poor kids but I think MCPS actually used to take some of the extra state funding for poorer kids and use it for other things, don't know if they still do that.





It probably varies by staff salary.


Class size has a lot to do with it. An overcrowded school like WJ will be less per student.
Anonymous
Post 06/23/2025 15:47     Subject: Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Don’t schools get a pretty uniform amount per student, with more for higher needs kids?


There are no high schools that receive Title 1 or Focus school funding. It is a few middle schools but mostly elementary schools. If you really cared as much as you claim, you would know this.


And yet the schools with the highest funding per student were W's.


Factually incorrect.
https://moderatelymoco.com/mcps-per-pupil-expenditure-by-each-high-school-2020-2022/


Churchill and Wheaton get about the same amount when tells me schools don't get more funding because of their farms rates


Yeah, funding at all high schools per student are in the same general ballpark, and a lot of the variation is driven by special ed costs, not other factors. And I don't think that MCPS provides much if any extra county funding to poorer high schools? The feds and state give more for poor kids but I think MCPS actually used to take some of the extra state funding for poorer kids and use it for other things, don't know if they still do that.





It probably varies by staff salary.