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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter too much what us middle age parents/professionals think about this.

On the social media I am seeing - Twitter and especially TikTok, this guy is a hero among millennials and younger.

Right or wrong, this is sparking a movement. The mainstream news and law enforcement will try to suppress it, but it is there.

The guy's twitter gives hints that he was a libertarian to maybe 'right' but he didn't seem radicalized politically.

This is going to be another shock to the DCUM bubble. The outside world and younger gen. is rooting for this guy. Does not matter what boomers and Genx around here think. They see their future as bleak.

Sorry, you have the bubbles reversed.

THis is just another hippie group like the Pro Gaza, Pro Hama social media and college crew. Loud minority that mass media likes to highlight.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the two big contributors here are going to turn out to be weed (I bet he already used a lot in his frat in college, then it got worse with the back pain, and I’m sure there was free flowing weed in his commune in Hawaii) and playing first person shooter games. Weed absolutely precipitates psychotic illness in kids this age (see here for example: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33617756/). And growing up playing a lot of shooter games (it said several places that he was into them and at one point his goal was to develop his own) inured him to real life repercussions of shooting someone.

Yes, maybe to the weed, no to the video games. You probably don’t have college kids. They are frustrated with this country. People aren’t ready to kill, but there was so much attention on him because the environment is sh-t, there are people being needlessly killed across the globe, mental health isn’t funded (see UHC on this), and their quality of life will be worse than their parents (GenX). I’ve heard several kids say they don’t want to “bring kids into this world.” They didn’t want to vote (“feels pointless, it’s all theater”). Everything is so freaking expensive. We have a lot of problems in society that aren’t being addressed by either party because they’re so entrenched on drawing party lines. The millennials are about to have the biggest wealth transfer in history. GenZ is already, and knows they soon, bear the brunt of all of this.

On a micro level, this kid seemed to have a better quality of life than his parents. He lived in Hawaii, working remotely, surfing, and hanging with friends in this co-working/co-living community. He had the benefit of their wealth, no student debt despite a very expensive education. I don't really feel you can blame this on a generational frustration with income inequality or lack of opportunity because he is one of the lucky ones from his generation. Other Gen Zers definitely feel that way and rightfully so, but I don't see why he would.

I think this was more a case of someone with fragile mental health being radicalized online after a few IRL setbacks. He didn't lack for healthcare (had access to good care and the funds to pay for it), he wasn't struggling to buy a home (his parents bought him one), wasn't struggling finding stable work in the "gig economy" (had a good job in a solid field thanks to an expensive BS and MS from Penn, also paid for by his parents). He was very, very fortunate. Yet he became a killer. I think it was just buying into the online rage machine and perhaps being too disconnected from family, combined with underlying and untreated mental illness.

This will sound callous and I don't mean it that way because I feel for Thompson's family, but at least he just killed one guy. He'll go to prison for most of the rest of his life. Situations like this are often much, much worse.

All very true.

Dangers of social media and the internet + unstable Gen Zs + radicalization

Agreed. Also, the kid killed an evil criminal.

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Anonymous wrote:In case you are one of those who are morally confused:

Good guy: Daniel Penny
Bad Guy: Luigi Mangione

+1

There are lots of seriously twisted and perverted people out there. So much justification over an assassination. There are people comparing this to what the founding fathers did for political change and text pretzel logic to reach those conclusions.

I think there's a LOT of righteous anger in this country towards the insurance industry. Righteous.

Sure, some people try to game the system. Those individuals pale in comparison to how the insurance industry is gaming the system.

If you can't understand these simple facts, neither I nor anyone else can help you.

So far as the vast majority of people are concerned, the murder of a corrupt, crooked member of this perverted insurance scam industry was a *shrug* event.

You must work in the insurance industry if you can't appreciate the frustration and anger the average America feels.

I don’t work for the insurance industry and I have had claims denied by insurance companies. I understand there is a lot of frustration, but frustration does not make murder acceptable. I bet you yourself feel frustration about many things. I bet you feel frustrations over things like politics, but you’re not going to go out and assassinate a politician, a president or a CEO. Just because you’re frustrated does not mean murder is acceptable.

If you’re advocating for people assassinating people they’re frustrated with well then I can’t help you understand how wrong it is.

What Luigi did wasn’t heroic. In fact, he was a coward. He shot the man in the back. He didn’t even have the righteous indignation or guts to say something to his face.

I am telling you that people are frustrated and angry. Where did I state I am advocating for murder?

Please read what I stated again.

The industry needs to get overhauled with closer regulation. Sure, they shouldn't be required to cover weight loss medication for cosmetic reasons. Sure, they shouldn't be required to cover every politicized and popular medical procedure that is not medically necessary. But denying and delaying medically critical covered procedures is immoral, unethical, and inexcusable. BC/BS trying to limit anesthesia in the middle of a complicated surgery is BEYOND reasonable denial. They were going for it. BC/BS was really going for it.

Discussions of the proposed BCBS policy have been insane. Anesthesiologists' lobbying firm deserves a huge bonus.

Obviously they weren't going to wake people up in the middle of the surgery. The idea was clearly to limit billing and reimbursement based on how long the procedure should have taken. Kind of like a mechanic billing you for labor hours based on the book times. If they opened you up and found another problem, then that could and would be added to the claim.

Yes, sometimes one case will take a little bit longer than another case, and you'll get paid the same for both, but that's pretty normal. This is basically how it works for other doctors.

This is a weird thing to complain about when people generally want to know how much a procedure will cost before going in.

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A big insurer backed off its plan to pay less for anesthesia. That’s bad.
https://www.vox.com/policy/390031/anthem-blue-cross-blue-shield-anesthesia-limits-insurance

Many pages ago, a poster asked why health care costs are so much higher than other countries. Anesthesiologists are just one of many reasons, but it's a big one. As an example, the most expensive part of a colonoscopy is the anesthesia, not the gastroenterologist. And that's for a procedure where the gastroenterologist themselves could administer and monitor the anesthesia, but they don't want to piss off the anesthesiologists that they need for the more complicated cases. So the anesthesiologists typically come in for every case, resulting in much higher costs. Colonoscopies are great deals for anesthesiologists.

You are partially right. While the GI dr or colorectal surgeon can write for the drugs, they cannot give it and monitor/manage the patient’s airway under general anesthesia while they are doing their procedure. They are 100% focused on their scope, the findings/taking biopsies , and going in/out without perforating your bowel. But a RN (doesn’t need to even be a CRNA) can be certified in conscious sedation and give that and monitor the patient. That is how these scopes are done acutely at bedside in the ICUs here. This is also how they are done routinely in other counties- no one is getting general anesthesia for scopes in other counties

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Anonymous wrote:In case you are one of those who are morally confused:

Good guy: Daniel Penny
Bad Guy: Luigi Mangione

+1

There are lots of seriously twisted and perverted people out there. So much justification over an assassination. There are people comparing this to what the founding fathers did for political change and text pretzel logic to reach those conclusions.

I think there's a LOT of righteous anger in this country towards the insurance industry. Righteous.

Sure, some people try to game the system. Those individuals pale in comparison to how the insurance industry is gaming the system.

If you can't understand these simple facts, neither I nor anyone else can help you.

So far as the vast majority of people are concerned, the murder of a corrupt, crooked member of this perverted insurance scam industry was a *shrug* event.

You must work in the insurance industry if you can't appreciate the frustration and anger the average America feels.

I don’t work for the insurance industry and I have had claims denied by insurance companies. I understand there is a lot of frustration, but frustration does not make murder acceptable. I bet you yourself feel frustration about many things. I bet you feel frustrations over things like politics, but you’re not going to go out and assassinate a politician, a president or a CEO. Just because you’re frustrated does not mean murder is acceptable.

If you’re advocating for people assassinating people they’re frustrated with well then I can’t help you understand how wrong it is.

What Luigi did wasn’t heroic. In fact, he was a coward. He shot the man in the back. He didn’t even have the righteous indignation or guts to say something to his face.

I am telling you that people are frustrated and angry. Where did I state I am advocating for murder?

Please read what I stated again.

The industry needs to get overhauled with closer regulation. Sure, they shouldn't be required to cover weight loss medication for cosmetic reasons. Sure, they shouldn't be required to cover every politicized and popular medical procedure that is not medically necessary. But denying and delaying medically critical covered procedures is immoral, unethical, and inexcusable. BC/BS trying to limit anesthesia in the middle of a complicated surgery is BEYOND reasonable denial. They were going for it. BC/BS was really going for it.

Discussions of the proposed BCBS policy have been insane. Anesthesiologists' lobbying firm deserves a huge bonus.

Obviously they weren't going to wake people up in the middle of the surgery. The idea was clearly to limit billing and reimbursement based on how long the procedure should have taken. Kind of like a mechanic billing you for labor hours based on the book times. If they opened you up and found another problem, then that could and would be added to the claim.

Yes, sometimes one case will take a little bit longer than another case, and you'll get paid the same for both, but that's pretty normal. This is basically how it works for other doctors.

This is a weird thing to complain about when people generally want to know how much a procedure will cost before going in.

It's not weird to complain at all. It's not fair for patient going under anesthesia to not know if they're going to wake up with surprise multi--$1000 bills due.

Which is why the price should be fixed before going under. That's what the BCBS policy would have done.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the two big contributors here are going to turn out to be weed (I bet he already used a lot in his frat in college, then it got worse with the back pain, and I’m sure there was free flowing weed in his commune in Hawaii) and playing first person shooter games. Weed absolutely precipitates psychotic illness in kids this age (see here for example: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33617756/). And growing up playing a lot of shooter games (it said several places that he was into them and at one point his goal was to develop his own) inured him to real life repercussions of shooting someone.

Completely agree. Drugs and first person shooter games. Once he had surfing accident and subsequent brain damage, it made this 10x worse. And he tried other illicit drugs for chronic pain.

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Anonymous wrote:The manager of the commune where he lived in Hawaii said, effectively, that Luigi couldn’t have sex because of his back pain. So it turns out he WAS involuntarily celibate!

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Still, Mr. Martin said, he and others in the community came to understand that the pain was no small matter to a young man yearning for a normal lifestyle. “He knew that dating and being physically intimate with his back condition wasn’t possible,” Mr. Martin said. “I remember him telling me that, and my heart just breaks.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/09/nyregion/united-healthcare-ceo-shooting-luigi-mangione.html?

is Luigi gay?

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Anonymous wrote:The manager of the commune where he lived in Hawaii said, effectively, that Luigi couldn’t have sex because of his back pain. So it turns out he WAS involuntarily celibate!

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https://people.com/luigi-mangione-back-pain-went-radio-silent-friends-before-brian-thompson-shooting-reports-8758716

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Anonymous wrote:So lots of people in Baltimore, including his family must have recognized his photo from the news, but nobody turned him in?

+1 random McDonald’s worker ids him but not one of his 30 cousins do?

They probably did not know where he was - he had cut all contact.

No one in his family recognized his picture? I'm not buying it.

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Anonymous wrote:The manager of the commune where he lived in Hawaii said, effectively, that Luigi couldn’t have sex because of his back pain. So it turns out he WAS involuntarily celibate!

The dude was photographed hiking in Hawaii, walzing and biking around NYC, was able to stay super buff which means lifting heavy weights, and you want me to believe he couldn't have sex bc of back pain? in any position? Sure.

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Anonymous wrote:This is definitely the OJ trial of the 2020s. Rich family, handsome man with a cause that resonates with a lot of people, victim who was under criminal investigation himself with a drunk driving record and got a $23 million dollar bonus last year.

This is nothing like OJ. Nicole and Ron Goldman did nothing to deserve their violent deaths by a jealous exhusband.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter too much what us middle age parents/professionals think about this.

On the social media I am seeing - Twitter and especially TikTok, this guy is a hero among millennials and younger.

Right or wrong, this is sparking a movement. The mainstream news and law enforcement will try to suppress it, but it is there.

The guy's twitter gives hints that he was a libertarian to maybe 'right' but he didn't seem radicalized politically.

This is going to be another shock to the DCUM bubble. The outside world and younger gen. is rooting for this guy. Does not matter what boomers and Genx around here think. They see their future as bleak.

Anonymous wrote:This is definitely the OJ trial of the 2020s. Rich family, handsome man with a cause that resonates with a lot of people, victim who was under criminal investigation himself with a drunk driving record and got a $23 million dollar bonus last year.

Anonymous wrote:I don't think people realize how many innocent people are killed by way of limiting access to affordable healthcare in this country by none other than Brian Thompson and those like him leading private health insurance companies.

This kid murdered Thompson in cold blood publicly and got caught.

That's the difference. If you saw even one insurance case of a family at their wits end trying to get a claim approved to help their loved one, I'm not sure how you would not feel that it's a kind of murder or your torture. Because these things are not put forth on a public forum enacted as a play for all to see, it's considered acceptable.

It's very much cold blooded murder however. Ask anyone who has worked a length of time in the healthcare industries.