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Anonymous wrote:MDU not blowing up, lost 1 player right now, I’d expect 2-3 more gone at end of summer but I expect them to pick up a few too.

I think the one that left already joined a local team.

Don't think mdu can replace the players leaving with equivalent talent. But if they can keep down to just a couple players leaving, they should be alright.

There’s nowhere to get anywhere near the equivalent talent for the girls they’re losing. They had a hell of a run keeping those top girls together for so long.

I’ve seen this at club level and HS level, sometimes adding or losing talent doesn’t translate to more success or more goals. As example, HG not going to score X more goals per game adding a great goal scorer, the production will just come from less other people.

Others will step up in the absence of others, same with injuries hitting a team

Club and high school are different enough that I’ll focus on club, where rosters can stay relatively stable for years. In that setting, the impact of each additional strong player depends on how much talent a club team already has. Adding top players to an already excellent club team usually yields only modest gains because their skills overlap with existing players. Losing those same players, however, can cause a much sharper decline for the team they leave, because each one represented a meaningful share of its overall ability and leaves gaps that are harder to replace. If there is no clear path to replacing that talent, other players often decide to leave as well. Once the collapse begins, it rarely stops, and there are few or no recent examples of a strong MS team losing its best players and still competing at a similar level in HS.

I have an older daughter as well and I recall this playing out with Coppermine when she was in MS. Up through 8th grade they were one of the top teams, and then lost a bunch of top players before high school. They actually did a decent job backfilling with good players, including a very good player from NJ who will probably be a T100. Anyway, they are now ranked 40.

Best player from that 28 Coppermine team went to HG. Sounds like history is repeating itself, rough for the girls further down on the depth chart.

Best two players really, and it didn’t help HG.

My DD plays for HG. Agree wholeheartedly. But now our girls have a higher level of anxiety and learning about this new player by way of email left a bitter taste in all of our mouths.

Wouldn’t email be the best way to communicate? Why would that make you bitter?

It’s the club world, replacing good with great, that’s how you stay at top and let’s be honest, HG 2030 has never lived up to the clubs reputation. They typically are top 5 nationally in every grad year, now they are on their way.

HG going to replace MDU in top 5 after this is over

Perhaps. But MDU encouraged their player to go ahead and leave if she was looking, so MDU may have talent coming. MDU midfielder is very good but there are definitely multiple better middies in Baltimore - already on my DD’s MnD black and on HG

Honestly, the director is such a spiteful dufus, she probably did tell her best players to go elsewhere, lol. But they don’t have anyone coming in, there isn’t anyone to bring in.

Agreed. No new elite players are going to mdu after this.

Anonymous wrote:M&D plays MDU at Impulse this weekend. If it's competitive then maybe MDU goes on to be fine without player that left.

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Anonymous wrote:MDU not blowing up, lost 1 player right now, I’d expect 2-3 more gone at end of summer but I expect them to pick up a few too.

I think the one that left already joined a local team.

Don't think mdu can replace the players leaving with equivalent talent. But if they can keep down to just a couple players leaving, they should be alright.

There’s nowhere to get anywhere near the equivalent talent for the girls they’re losing. They had a hell of a run keeping those top girls together for so long.

I’ve seen this at club level and HS level, sometimes adding or losing talent doesn’t translate to more success or more goals. As example, HG not going to score X more goals per game adding a great goal scorer, the production will just come from less other people.

Others will step up in the absence of others, same with injuries hitting a team

Club and high school are different enough that I’ll focus on club, where rosters can stay relatively stable for years. In that setting, the impact of each additional strong player depends on how much talent a club team already has. Adding top players to an already excellent club team usually yields only modest gains because their skills overlap with existing players. Losing those same players, however, can cause a much sharper decline for the team they leave, because each one represented a meaningful share of its overall ability and leaves gaps that are harder to replace. If there is no clear path to replacing that talent, other players often decide to leave as well. Once the collapse begins, it rarely stops, and there are few or no recent examples of a strong MS team losing its best players and still competing at a similar level in HS.

I have an older daughter as well and I recall this playing out with Coppermine when she was in MS. Up through 8th grade they were one of the top teams, and then lost a bunch of top players before high school. They actually did a decent job backfilling with good players, including a very good player from NJ who will probably be a T100. Anyway, they are now ranked 40.

Best player from that 28 Coppermine team went to HG. Sounds like history is repeating itself, rough for the girls further down on the depth chart.

Best two players really, and it didn’t help HG.

My DD plays for HG. Agree wholeheartedly. But now our girls have a higher level of anxiety and learning about this new player by way of email left a bitter taste in all of our mouths.

Wouldn’t email be the best way to communicate? Why would that make you bitter?

It’s the club world, replacing good with great, that’s how you stay at top and let’s be honest, HG 2030 has never lived up to the clubs reputation. They typically are top 5 nationally in every grad year, now they are on their way.

HG going to replace MDU in top 5 after this is over

Perhaps. But MDU encouraged their player to go ahead and leave if she was looking, so MDU may have talent coming. MDU midfielder is very good but there are definitely multiple better middies in Baltimore - already on my DD’s MnD black and on HG

Honestly, the director is such a spiteful dufus, she probably did tell her best players to go elsewhere, lol. But they don’t have anyone coming in, there isn’t anyone to bring in.

I wouldn’t have a lame duck player finish out the summer either, who cares? Time to move kids around and see who can feel void.

At best, it’s a distraction.

Yeah, except one of the two leaving wasn’t gone, just looking around as you should. Pushing her out the door is idiotic.

Not too long ago club tryouts were after tournament season was mostly over. Then they were pushed earlier and earlier as teams tried to be first to hold them so they could force girls to decide within 48 hours and prevent them from going to other clubs' tryouts. This combined with "open practices" has created a terrible atmosphere where girls getting ready to play with their team for the summer are leaving early, replacing girls from current teams etc. It is never going to go back to the way it was, but I wish it would. Even worse is when tryouts happen and girls are cut and they have 2 more tournaments with their team...

And yes the MDU club director is notorious for telling girls "don't come back" if they go to an open practice or are shopping around (not even have decided to officially leave the team), but does not actively try to get girls to replace them.

If she bounced people for going to open practices they’d down many more players than one

Shhhhh leave the girls alone that are trying to do it under the radar unlike the HG new player and her parents who told everyone she was leaving and the 2 girls she was trying to bargain with HG to being with her

Who does she think she is?! Charlotte North?! LMAO

All these parents think their kid is the next Charlotte North.

Or Chloe Humphrey. lol. Overinflated sense of self will catch up and it’s more painful the older the girls get.

Worse on the HS team, where the draw star middie girl suddenly has 4-5 other versions of her, only older to contend with and might, god forbid, play JV as a freshman or attack or defense off the bench as a varsity player.

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Anonymous wrote:MDU not blowing up, lost 1 player right now, I’d expect 2-3 more gone at end of summer but I expect them to pick up a few too.

I think the one that left already joined a local team.

Don't think mdu can replace the players leaving with equivalent talent. But if they can keep down to just a couple players leaving, they should be alright.

There’s nowhere to get anywhere near the equivalent talent for the girls they’re losing. They had a hell of a run keeping those top girls together for so long.

I’ve seen this at club level and HS level, sometimes adding or losing talent doesn’t translate to more success or more goals. As example, HG not going to score X more goals per game adding a great goal scorer, the production will just come from less other people.

Others will step up in the absence of others, same with injuries hitting a team

Club and high school are different enough that I’ll focus on club, where rosters can stay relatively stable for years. In that setting, the impact of each additional strong player depends on how much talent a club team already has. Adding top players to an already excellent club team usually yields only modest gains because their skills overlap with existing players. Losing those same players, however, can cause a much sharper decline for the team they leave, because each one represented a meaningful share of its overall ability and leaves gaps that are harder to replace. If there is no clear path to replacing that talent, other players often decide to leave as well. Once the collapse begins, it rarely stops, and there are few or no recent examples of a strong MS team losing its best players and still competing at a similar level in HS.

I have an older daughter as well and I recall this playing out with Coppermine when she was in MS. Up through 8th grade they were one of the top teams, and then lost a bunch of top players before high school. They actually did a decent job backfilling with good players, including a very good player from NJ who will probably be a T100. Anyway, they are now ranked 40.

Best player from that 28 Coppermine team went to HG. Sounds like history is repeating itself, rough for the girls further down on the depth chart.

Best two players really, and it didn’t help HG.

My DD plays for HG. Agree wholeheartedly. But now our girls have a higher level of anxiety and learning about this new player by way of email left a bitter taste in all of our mouths.

Wouldn’t email be the best way to communicate? Why would that make you bitter?

It’s the club world, replacing good with great, that’s how you stay at top and let’s be honest, HG 2030 has never lived up to the clubs reputation. They typically are top 5 nationally in every grad year, now they are on their way.

HG going to replace MDU in top 5 after this is over

Perhaps. But MDU encouraged their player to go ahead and leave if she was looking, so MDU may have talent coming. MDU midfielder is very good but there are definitely multiple better middies in Baltimore - already on my DD’s MnD black and on HG

Honestly, the director is such a spiteful dufus, she probably did tell her best players to go elsewhere, lol. But they don’t have anyone coming in, there isn’t anyone to bring in.

I wouldn’t have a lame duck player finish out the summer either, who cares? Time to move kids around and see who can feel void.

At best, it’s a distraction.

Yeah, except one of the two leaving wasn’t gone, just looking around as you should. Pushing her out the door is idiotic.

Not too long ago club tryouts were after tournament season was mostly over. Then they were pushed earlier and earlier as teams tried to be first to hold them so they could force girls to decide within 48 hours and prevent them from going to other clubs' tryouts. This combined with "open practices" has created a terrible atmosphere where girls getting ready to play with their team for the summer are leaving early, replacing girls from current teams etc. It is never going to go back to the way it was, but I wish it would. Even worse is when tryouts happen and girls are cut and they have 2 more tournaments with their team...

And yes the MDU club director is notorious for telling girls "don't come back" if they go to an open practice or are shopping around (not even have decided to officially leave the team), but does not actively try to get girls to replace them.

If she bounced people for going to open practices they’d down many more players than one

Shhhhh leave the girls alone that are trying to do it under the radar unlike the HG new player and her parents who told everyone she was leaving and the 2 girls she was trying to bargain with HG to being with her

Who does she think she is?! Charlotte North?! LMAO

All these parents think their kid is the next Charlotte North.

Or Chloe Humphrey. lol. Overinflated sense of self will catch up and it’s more painful the older the girls get.

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Anonymous wrote:MDU not blowing up, lost 1 player right now, I’d expect 2-3 more gone at end of summer but I expect them to pick up a few too.

I think the one that left already joined a local team.

Don't think mdu can replace the players leaving with equivalent talent. But if they can keep down to just a couple players leaving, they should be alright.

There’s nowhere to get anywhere near the equivalent talent for the girls they’re losing. They had a hell of a run keeping those top girls together for so long.

I’ve seen this at club level and HS level, sometimes adding or losing talent doesn’t translate to more success or more goals. As example, HG not going to score X more goals per game adding a great goal scorer, the production will just come from less other people.

Others will step up in the absence of others, same with injuries hitting a team

Club and high school are different enough that I’ll focus on club, where rosters can stay relatively stable for years. In that setting, the impact of each additional strong player depends on how much talent a club team already has. Adding top players to an already excellent club team usually yields only modest gains because their skills overlap with existing players. Losing those same players, however, can cause a much sharper decline for the team they leave, because each one represented a meaningful share of its overall ability and leaves gaps that are harder to replace. If there is no clear path to replacing that talent, other players often decide to leave as well. Once the collapse begins, it rarely stops, and there are few or no recent examples of a strong MS team losing its best players and still competing at a similar level in HS.

I have an older daughter as well and I recall this playing out with Coppermine when she was in MS. Up through 8th grade they were one of the top teams, and then lost a bunch of top players before high school. They actually did a decent job backfilling with good players, including a very good player from NJ who will probably be a T100. Anyway, they are now ranked 40.

Best player from that 28 Coppermine team went to HG. Sounds like history is repeating itself, rough for the girls further down on the depth chart.

Best two players really, and it didn’t help HG.

My DD plays for HG. Agree wholeheartedly. But now our girls have a higher level of anxiety and learning about this new player by way of email left a bitter taste in all of our mouths.

Wouldn’t email be the best way to communicate? Why would that make you bitter?

It’s the club world, replacing good with great, that’s how you stay at top and let’s be honest, HG 2030 has never lived up to the clubs reputation. They typically are top 5 nationally in every grad year, now they are on their way.

HG going to replace MDU in top 5 after this is over

Perhaps. But MDU encouraged their player to go ahead and leave if she was looking, so MDU may have talent coming. MDU midfielder is very good but there are definitely multiple better middies in Baltimore - already on my DD’s MnD black and on HG

Honestly, the director is such a spiteful dufus, she probably did tell her best players to go elsewhere, lol. But they don’t have anyone coming in, there isn’t anyone to bring in.

I wouldn’t have a lame duck player finish out the summer either, who cares? Time to move kids around and see who can feel void.

At best, it’s a distraction.

Yeah, except one of the two leaving wasn’t gone, just looking around as you should. Pushing her out the door is idiotic.

Not too long ago club tryouts were after tournament season was mostly over. Then they were pushed earlier and earlier as teams tried to be first to hold them so they could force girls to decide within 48 hours and prevent them from going to other clubs' tryouts. This combined with "open practices" has created a terrible atmosphere where girls getting ready to play with their team for the summer are leaving early, replacing girls from current teams etc. It is never going to go back to the way it was, but I wish it would. Even worse is when tryouts happen and girls are cut and they have 2 more tournaments with their team...

And yes the MDU club director is notorious for telling girls "don't come back" if they go to an open practice or are shopping around (not even have decided to officially leave the team), but does not actively try to get girls to replace them.

If she bounced people for going to open practices they’d down many more players than one

Shhhhh leave the girls alone that are trying to do it under the radar unlike the HG new player and her parents who told everyone she was leaving and the 2 girls she was trying to bargain with HG to being with her

There is nothing under the radar. People know.

Kind of but I’d bet others have made commitments who may not be as honest as the other family was now.

lol okkayyy..

They should all go to SW, that team has the most holes to fill and still has solid recruiting. HG & M&D going to have to rob Peter to pay Paul.

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Anonymous wrote:MDU not blowing up, lost 1 player right now, I’d expect 2-3 more gone at end of summer but I expect them to pick up a few too.

I think the one that left already joined a local team.

Don't think mdu can replace the players leaving with equivalent talent. But if they can keep down to just a couple players leaving, they should be alright.

There’s nowhere to get anywhere near the equivalent talent for the girls they’re losing. They had a hell of a run keeping those top girls together for so long.

I’ve seen this at club level and HS level, sometimes adding or losing talent doesn’t translate to more success or more goals. As example, HG not going to score X more goals per game adding a great goal scorer, the production will just come from less other people.

Others will step up in the absence of others, same with injuries hitting a team

Club and high school are different enough that I’ll focus on club, where rosters can stay relatively stable for years. In that setting, the impact of each additional strong player depends on how much talent a club team already has. Adding top players to an already excellent club team usually yields only modest gains because their skills overlap with existing players. Losing those same players, however, can cause a much sharper decline for the team they leave, because each one represented a meaningful share of its overall ability and leaves gaps that are harder to replace. If there is no clear path to replacing that talent, other players often decide to leave as well. Once the collapse begins, it rarely stops, and there are few or no recent examples of a strong MS team losing its best players and still competing at a similar level in HS.

I have an older daughter as well and I recall this playing out with Coppermine when she was in MS. Up through 8th grade they were one of the top teams, and then lost a bunch of top players before high school. They actually did a decent job backfilling with good players, including a very good player from NJ who will probably be a T100. Anyway, they are now ranked 40.

Best player from that 28 Coppermine team went to HG. Sounds like history is repeating itself, rough for the girls further down on the depth chart.

Best two players really, and it didn’t help HG.

My DD plays for HG. Agree wholeheartedly. But now our girls have a higher level of anxiety and learning about this new player by way of email left a bitter taste in all of our mouths.

Wouldn’t email be the best way to communicate? Why would that make you bitter?

It’s the club world, replacing good with great, that’s how you stay at top and let’s be honest, HG 2030 has never lived up to the clubs reputation. They typically are top 5 nationally in every grad year, now they are on their way.

HG going to replace MDU in top 5 after this is over

Perhaps. But MDU encouraged their player to go ahead and leave if she was looking, so MDU may have talent coming. MDU midfielder is very good but there are definitely multiple better middies in Baltimore - already on my DD’s MnD black and on HG

Honestly, the director is such a spiteful dufus, she probably did tell her best players to go elsewhere, lol. But they don’t have anyone coming in, there isn’t anyone to bring in.

I wouldn’t have a lame duck player finish out the summer either, who cares? Time to move kids around and see who can feel void.

At best, it’s a distraction.

Yeah, except one of the two leaving wasn’t gone, just looking around as you should. Pushing her out the door is idiotic.

Not too long ago club tryouts were after tournament season was mostly over. Then they were pushed earlier and earlier as teams tried to be first to hold them so they could force girls to decide within 48 hours and prevent them from going to other clubs' tryouts. This combined with "open practices" has created a terrible atmosphere where girls getting ready to play with their team for the summer are leaving early, replacing girls from current teams etc. It is never going to go back to the way it was, but I wish it would. Even worse is when tryouts happen and girls are cut and they have 2 more tournaments with their team...

And yes the MDU club director is notorious for telling girls "don't come back" if they go to an open practice or are shopping around (not even have decided to officially leave the team), but does not actively try to get girls to replace them.

If she bounced people for going to open practices they’d down many more players than one

Shhhhh leave the girls alone that are trying to do it under the radar unlike the HG new player and her parents who told everyone she was leaving and the 2 girls she was trying to bargain with HG to being with her

Who does she think she is?! Charlotte North?! LMAO

All these parents think their kid is the next Charlotte North.

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Anonymous wrote:MDU not blowing up, lost 1 player right now, I’d expect 2-3 more gone at end of summer but I expect them to pick up a few too.

I think the one that left already joined a local team.

Don't think mdu can replace the players leaving with equivalent talent. But if they can keep down to just a couple players leaving, they should be alright.

There’s nowhere to get anywhere near the equivalent talent for the girls they’re losing. They had a hell of a run keeping those top girls together for so long.

I’ve seen this at club level and HS level, sometimes adding or losing talent doesn’t translate to more success or more goals. As example, HG not going to score X more goals per game adding a great goal scorer, the production will just come from less other people.

Others will step up in the absence of others, same with injuries hitting a team

Club and high school are different enough that I’ll focus on club, where rosters can stay relatively stable for years. In that setting, the impact of each additional strong player depends on how much talent a club team already has. Adding top players to an already excellent club team usually yields only modest gains because their skills overlap with existing players. Losing those same players, however, can cause a much sharper decline for the team they leave, because each one represented a meaningful share of its overall ability and leaves gaps that are harder to replace. If there is no clear path to replacing that talent, other players often decide to leave as well. Once the collapse begins, it rarely stops, and there are few or no recent examples of a strong MS team losing its best players and still competing at a similar level in HS.

I have an older daughter as well and I recall this playing out with Coppermine when she was in MS. Up through 8th grade they were one of the top teams, and then lost a bunch of top players before high school. They actually did a decent job backfilling with good players, including a very good player from NJ who will probably be a T100. Anyway, they are now ranked 40.

Best player from that 28 Coppermine team went to HG. Sounds like history is repeating itself, rough for the girls further down on the depth chart.

Best two players really, and it didn’t help HG.

My DD plays for HG. Agree wholeheartedly. But now our girls have a higher level of anxiety and learning about this new player by way of email left a bitter taste in all of our mouths.

Wouldn’t email be the best way to communicate? Why would that make you bitter?

It’s the club world, replacing good with great, that’s how you stay at top and let’s be honest, HG 2030 has never lived up to the clubs reputation. They typically are top 5 nationally in every grad year, now they are on their way.

HG going to replace MDU in top 5 after this is over

Perhaps. But MDU encouraged their player to go ahead and leave if she was looking, so MDU may have talent coming. MDU midfielder is very good but there are definitely multiple better middies in Baltimore - already on my DD’s MnD black and on HG

Honestly, the director is such a spiteful dufus, she probably did tell her best players to go elsewhere, lol. But they don’t have anyone coming in, there isn’t anyone to bring in.

I wouldn’t have a lame duck player finish out the summer either, who cares? Time to move kids around and see who can feel void.

At best, it’s a distraction.

Yeah, except one of the two leaving wasn’t gone, just looking around as you should. Pushing her out the door is idiotic.

Not too long ago club tryouts were after tournament season was mostly over. Then they were pushed earlier and earlier as teams tried to be first to hold them so they could force girls to decide within 48 hours and prevent them from going to other clubs' tryouts. This combined with "open practices" has created a terrible atmosphere where girls getting ready to play with their team for the summer are leaving early, replacing girls from current teams etc. It is never going to go back to the way it was, but I wish it would. Even worse is when tryouts happen and girls are cut and they have 2 more tournaments with their team...

And yes the MDU club director is notorious for telling girls "don't come back" if they go to an open practice or are shopping around (not even have decided to officially leave the team), but does not actively try to get girls to replace them.

If she bounced people for going to open practices they’d down many more players than one

Shhhhh leave the girls alone that are trying to do it under the radar unlike the HG new player and her parents who told everyone she was leaving and the 2 girls she was trying to bargain with HG to being with her

Who does she think she is?! Charlotte North?! LMAO

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Anonymous wrote:MDU not blowing up, lost 1 player right now, I’d expect 2-3 more gone at end of summer but I expect them to pick up a few too.

I think the one that left already joined a local team.

Don't think mdu can replace the players leaving with equivalent talent. But if they can keep down to just a couple players leaving, they should be alright.

There’s nowhere to get anywhere near the equivalent talent for the girls they’re losing. They had a hell of a run keeping those top girls together for so long.

I’ve seen this at club level and HS level, sometimes adding or losing talent doesn’t translate to more success or more goals. As example, HG not going to score X more goals per game adding a great goal scorer, the production will just come from less other people.

Others will step up in the absence of others, same with injuries hitting a team

Club and high school are different enough that I’ll focus on club, where rosters can stay relatively stable for years. In that setting, the impact of each additional strong player depends on how much talent a club team already has. Adding top players to an already excellent club team usually yields only modest gains because their skills overlap with existing players. Losing those same players, however, can cause a much sharper decline for the team they leave, because each one represented a meaningful share of its overall ability and leaves gaps that are harder to replace. If there is no clear path to replacing that talent, other players often decide to leave as well. Once the collapse begins, it rarely stops, and there are few or no recent examples of a strong MS team losing its best players and still competing at a similar level in HS.

I have an older daughter as well and I recall this playing out with Coppermine when she was in MS. Up through 8th grade they were one of the top teams, and then lost a bunch of top players before high school. They actually did a decent job backfilling with good players, including a very good player from NJ who will probably be a T100. Anyway, they are now ranked 40.

Best player from that 28 Coppermine team went to HG. Sounds like history is repeating itself, rough for the girls further down on the depth chart.

Best two players really, and it didn’t help HG.

My DD plays for HG. Agree wholeheartedly. But now our girls have a higher level of anxiety and learning about this new player by way of email left a bitter taste in all of our mouths.

Wouldn’t email be the best way to communicate? Why would that make you bitter?

It’s the club world, replacing good with great, that’s how you stay at top and let’s be honest, HG 2030 has never lived up to the clubs reputation. They typically are top 5 nationally in every grad year, now they are on their way.

HG going to replace MDU in top 5 after this is over

Perhaps. But MDU encouraged their player to go ahead and leave if she was looking, so MDU may have talent coming. MDU midfielder is very good but there are definitely multiple better middies in Baltimore - already on my DD’s MnD black and on HG

Honestly, the director is such a spiteful dufus, she probably did tell her best players to go elsewhere, lol. But they don’t have anyone coming in, there isn’t anyone to bring in.

I wouldn’t have a lame duck player finish out the summer either, who cares? Time to move kids around and see who can feel void.

At best, it’s a distraction.

Yeah, except one of the two leaving wasn’t gone, just looking around as you should. Pushing her out the door is idiotic.

Not too long ago club tryouts were after tournament season was mostly over. Then they were pushed earlier and earlier as teams tried to be first to hold them so they could force girls to decide within 48 hours and prevent them from going to other clubs' tryouts. This combined with "open practices" has created a terrible atmosphere where girls getting ready to play with their team for the summer are leaving early, replacing girls from current teams etc. It is never going to go back to the way it was, but I wish it would. Even worse is when tryouts happen and girls are cut and they have 2 more tournaments with their team...

And yes the MDU club director is notorious for telling girls "don't come back" if they go to an open practice or are shopping around (not even have decided to officially leave the team), but does not actively try to get girls to replace them.

If she bounced people for going to open practices they’d down many more players than one

Shhhhh leave the girls alone that are trying to do it under the radar unlike the HG new player and her parents who told everyone she was leaving and the 2 girls she was trying to bargain with HG to being with her

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Anonymous wrote:MDU not blowing up, lost 1 player right now, I’d expect 2-3 more gone at end of summer but I expect them to pick up a few too.

I think the one that left already joined a local team.

Don't think mdu can replace the players leaving with equivalent talent. But if they can keep down to just a couple players leaving, they should be alright.

There’s nowhere to get anywhere near the equivalent talent for the girls they’re losing. They had a hell of a run keeping those top girls together for so long.

I’ve seen this at club level and HS level, sometimes adding or losing talent doesn’t translate to more success or more goals. As example, HG not going to score X more goals per game adding a great goal scorer, the production will just come from less other people.

Others will step up in the absence of others, same with injuries hitting a team

Club and high school are different enough that I’ll focus on club, where rosters can stay relatively stable for years. In that setting, the impact of each additional strong player depends on how much talent a club team already has. Adding top players to an already excellent club team usually yields only modest gains because their skills overlap with existing players. Losing those same players, however, can cause a much sharper decline for the team they leave, because each one represented a meaningful share of its overall ability and leaves gaps that are harder to replace. If there is no clear path to replacing that talent, other players often decide to leave as well. Once the collapse begins, it rarely stops, and there are few or no recent examples of a strong MS team losing its best players and still competing at a similar level in HS.

I have an older daughter as well and I recall this playing out with Coppermine when she was in MS. Up through 8th grade they were one of the top teams, and then lost a bunch of top players before high school. They actually did a decent job backfilling with good players, including a very good player from NJ who will probably be a T100. Anyway, they are now ranked 40.

Best player from that 28 Coppermine team went to HG. Sounds like history is repeating itself, rough for the girls further down on the depth chart.

Best two players really, and it didn’t help HG.

My DD plays for HG. Agree wholeheartedly. But now our girls have a higher level of anxiety and learning about this new player by way of email left a bitter taste in all of our mouths.

Wouldn’t email be the best way to communicate? Why would that make you bitter?

It’s the club world, replacing good with great, that’s how you stay at top and let’s be honest, HG 2030 has never lived up to the clubs reputation. They typically are top 5 nationally in every grad year, now they are on their way.

HG going to replace MDU in top 5 after this is over

Perhaps. But MDU encouraged their player to go ahead and leave if she was looking, so MDU may have talent coming. MDU midfielder is very good but there are definitely multiple better middies in Baltimore - already on my DD’s MnD black and on HG

Honestly, the director is such a spiteful dufus, she probably did tell her best players to go elsewhere, lol. But they don’t have anyone coming in, there isn’t anyone to bring in.

You seem to know it all but know nothing at the same time.

Bev, is that you? Lol

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Anonymous wrote:MDU not blowing up, lost 1 player right now, I’d expect 2-3 more gone at end of summer but I expect them to pick up a few too.

I think the one that left already joined a local team.

Don't think mdu can replace the players leaving with equivalent talent. But if they can keep down to just a couple players leaving, they should be alright.

There’s nowhere to get anywhere near the equivalent talent for the girls they’re losing. They had a hell of a run keeping those top girls together for so long.

I’ve seen this at club level and HS level, sometimes adding or losing talent doesn’t translate to more success or more goals. As example, HG not going to score X more goals per game adding a great goal scorer, the production will just come from less other people.

Others will step up in the absence of others, same with injuries hitting a team

Club and high school are different enough that I’ll focus on club, where rosters can stay relatively stable for years. In that setting, the impact of each additional strong player depends on how much talent a club team already has. Adding top players to an already excellent club team usually yields only modest gains because their skills overlap with existing players. Losing those same players, however, can cause a much sharper decline for the team they leave, because each one represented a meaningful share of its overall ability and leaves gaps that are harder to replace. If there is no clear path to replacing that talent, other players often decide to leave as well. Once the collapse begins, it rarely stops, and there are few or no recent examples of a strong MS team losing its best players and still competing at a similar level in HS.

I have an older daughter as well and I recall this playing out with Coppermine when she was in MS. Up through 8th grade they were one of the top teams, and then lost a bunch of top players before high school. They actually did a decent job backfilling with good players, including a very good player from NJ who will probably be a T100. Anyway, they are now ranked 40.

Best player from that 28 Coppermine team went to HG. Sounds like history is repeating itself, rough for the girls further down on the depth chart.

Best two players really, and it didn’t help HG.

My DD plays for HG. Agree wholeheartedly. But now our girls have a higher level of anxiety and learning about this new player by way of email left a bitter taste in all of our mouths.

Wouldn’t email be the best way to communicate? Why would that make you bitter?

It’s the club world, replacing good with great, that’s how you stay at top and let’s be honest, HG 2030 has never lived up to the clubs reputation. They typically are top 5 nationally in every grad year, now they are on their way.

HG going to replace MDU in top 5 after this is over

Perhaps. But MDU encouraged their player to go ahead and leave if she was looking, so MDU may have talent coming. MDU midfielder is very good but there are definitely multiple better middies in Baltimore - already on my DD’s MnD black and on HG

Honestly, the director is such a spiteful dufus, she probably did tell her best players to go elsewhere, lol. But they don’t have anyone coming in, there isn’t anyone to bring in.

I wouldn’t have a lame duck player finish out the summer either, who cares? Time to move kids around and see who can feel void.

At best, it’s a distraction.

Yeah, except one of the two leaving wasn’t gone, just looking around as you should. Pushing her out the door is idiotic.

Not too long ago club tryouts were after tournament season was mostly over. Then they were pushed earlier and earlier as teams tried to be first to hold them so they could force girls to decide within 48 hours and prevent them from going to other clubs' tryouts. This combined with "open practices" has created a terrible atmosphere where girls getting ready to play with their team for the summer are leaving early, replacing girls from current teams etc. It is never going to go back to the way it was, but I wish it would. Even worse is when tryouts happen and girls are cut and they have 2 more tournaments with their team...

And yes the MDU club director is notorious for telling girls "don't come back" if they go to an open practice or are shopping around (not even have decided to officially leave the team), but does not actively try to get girls to replace them.

If she bounced people for going to open practices they’d down many more players than one

Shhhhh leave the girls alone that are trying to do it under the radar unlike the HG new player and her parents who told everyone she was leaving and the 2 girls she was trying to bargain with HG to being with her

There is nothing under the radar. People know.

Kind of but I’d bet others have made commitments who may not be as honest as the other family was now.

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Anonymous wrote:MDU not blowing up, lost 1 player right now, I’d expect 2-3 more gone at end of summer but I expect them to pick up a few too.

I think the one that left already joined a local team.

Don't think mdu can replace the players leaving with equivalent talent. But if they can keep down to just a couple players leaving, they should be alright.

There’s nowhere to get anywhere near the equivalent talent for the girls they’re losing. They had a hell of a run keeping those top girls together for so long.

I’ve seen this at club level and HS level, sometimes adding or losing talent doesn’t translate to more success or more goals. As example, HG not going to score X more goals per game adding a great goal scorer, the production will just come from less other people.

Others will step up in the absence of others, same with injuries hitting a team

Club and high school are different enough that I’ll focus on club, where rosters can stay relatively stable for years. In that setting, the impact of each additional strong player depends on how much talent a club team already has. Adding top players to an already excellent club team usually yields only modest gains because their skills overlap with existing players. Losing those same players, however, can cause a much sharper decline for the team they leave, because each one represented a meaningful share of its overall ability and leaves gaps that are harder to replace. If there is no clear path to replacing that talent, other players often decide to leave as well. Once the collapse begins, it rarely stops, and there are few or no recent examples of a strong MS team losing its best players and still competing at a similar level in HS.

I have an older daughter as well and I recall this playing out with Coppermine when she was in MS. Up through 8th grade they were one of the top teams, and then lost a bunch of top players before high school. They actually did a decent job backfilling with good players, including a very good player from NJ who will probably be a T100. Anyway, they are now ranked 40.

Best player from that 28 Coppermine team went to HG. Sounds like history is repeating itself, rough for the girls further down on the depth chart.

Best two players really, and it didn’t help HG.

My DD plays for HG. Agree wholeheartedly. But now our girls have a higher level of anxiety and learning about this new player by way of email left a bitter taste in all of our mouths.

Wouldn’t email be the best way to communicate? Why would that make you bitter?

It’s the club world, replacing good with great, that’s how you stay at top and let’s be honest, HG 2030 has never lived up to the clubs reputation. They typically are top 5 nationally in every grad year, now they are on their way.

HG going to replace MDU in top 5 after this is over

Perhaps. But MDU encouraged their player to go ahead and leave if she was looking, so MDU may have talent coming. MDU midfielder is very good but there are definitely multiple better middies in Baltimore - already on my DD’s MnD black and on HG

Honestly, the director is such a spiteful dufus, she probably did tell her best players to go elsewhere, lol. But they don’t have anyone coming in, there isn’t anyone to bring in.

I wouldn’t have a lame duck player finish out the summer either, who cares? Time to move kids around and see who can feel void.

At best, it’s a distraction.

Yeah, except one of the two leaving wasn’t gone, just looking around as you should. Pushing her out the door is idiotic.

Not too long ago club tryouts were after tournament season was mostly over. Then they were pushed earlier and earlier as teams tried to be first to hold them so they could force girls to decide within 48 hours and prevent them from going to other clubs' tryouts. This combined with "open practices" has created a terrible atmosphere where girls getting ready to play with their team for the summer are leaving early, replacing girls from current teams etc. It is never going to go back to the way it was, but I wish it would. Even worse is when tryouts happen and girls are cut and they have 2 more tournaments with their team...

And yes the MDU club director is notorious for telling girls "don't come back" if they go to an open practice or are shopping around (not even have decided to officially leave the team), but does not actively try to get girls to replace them.

If she bounced people for going to open practices they’d down many more players than one

Shhhhh leave the girls alone that are trying to do it under the radar unlike the HG new player and her parents who told everyone she was leaving and the 2 girls she was trying to bargain with HG to being with her

There is nothing under the radar. People know.

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Anonymous wrote:MDU not blowing up, lost 1 player right now, I’d expect 2-3 more gone at end of summer but I expect them to pick up a few too.

I think the one that left already joined a local team.

Don't think mdu can replace the players leaving with equivalent talent. But if they can keep down to just a couple players leaving, they should be alright.

There’s nowhere to get anywhere near the equivalent talent for the girls they’re losing. They had a hell of a run keeping those top girls together for so long.

I’ve seen this at club level and HS level, sometimes adding or losing talent doesn’t translate to more success or more goals. As example, HG not going to score X more goals per game adding a great goal scorer, the production will just come from less other people.

Others will step up in the absence of others, same with injuries hitting a team

Club and high school are different enough that I’ll focus on club, where rosters can stay relatively stable for years. In that setting, the impact of each additional strong player depends on how much talent a club team already has. Adding top players to an already excellent club team usually yields only modest gains because their skills overlap with existing players. Losing those same players, however, can cause a much sharper decline for the team they leave, because each one represented a meaningful share of its overall ability and leaves gaps that are harder to replace. If there is no clear path to replacing that talent, other players often decide to leave as well. Once the collapse begins, it rarely stops, and there are few or no recent examples of a strong MS team losing its best players and still competing at a similar level in HS.

I have an older daughter as well and I recall this playing out with Coppermine when she was in MS. Up through 8th grade they were one of the top teams, and then lost a bunch of top players before high school. They actually did a decent job backfilling with good players, including a very good player from NJ who will probably be a T100. Anyway, they are now ranked 40.

Best player from that 28 Coppermine team went to HG. Sounds like history is repeating itself, rough for the girls further down on the depth chart.

Best two players really, and it didn’t help HG.

My DD plays for HG. Agree wholeheartedly. But now our girls have a higher level of anxiety and learning about this new player by way of email left a bitter taste in all of our mouths.

Wouldn’t email be the best way to communicate? Why would that make you bitter?

It’s the club world, replacing good with great, that’s how you stay at top and let’s be honest, HG 2030 has never lived up to the clubs reputation. They typically are top 5 nationally in every grad year, now they are on their way.

HG going to replace MDU in top 5 after this is over

Perhaps. But MDU encouraged their player to go ahead and leave if she was looking, so MDU may have talent coming. MDU midfielder is very good but there are definitely multiple better middies in Baltimore - already on my DD’s MnD black and on HG

Honestly, the director is such a spiteful dufus, she probably did tell her best players to go elsewhere, lol. But they don’t have anyone coming in, there isn’t anyone to bring in.

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Anonymous wrote:MDU not blowing up, lost 1 player right now, I’d expect 2-3 more gone at end of summer but I expect them to pick up a few too.

I think the one that left already joined a local team.

Don't think mdu can replace the players leaving with equivalent talent. But if they can keep down to just a couple players leaving, they should be alright.

There’s nowhere to get anywhere near the equivalent talent for the girls they’re losing. They had a hell of a run keeping those top girls together for so long.

I’ve seen this at club level and HS level, sometimes adding or losing talent doesn’t translate to more success or more goals. As example, HG not going to score X more goals per game adding a great goal scorer, the production will just come from less other people.

Others will step up in the absence of others, same with injuries hitting a team

Club and high school are different enough that I’ll focus on club, where rosters can stay relatively stable for years. In that setting, the impact of each additional strong player depends on how much talent a club team already has. Adding top players to an already excellent club team usually yields only modest gains because their skills overlap with existing players. Losing those same players, however, can cause a much sharper decline for the team they leave, because each one represented a meaningful share of its overall ability and leaves gaps that are harder to replace. If there is no clear path to replacing that talent, other players often decide to leave as well. Once the collapse begins, it rarely stops, and there are few or no recent examples of a strong MS team losing its best players and still competing at a similar level in HS.

I have an older daughter as well and I recall this playing out with Coppermine when she was in MS. Up through 8th grade they were one of the top teams, and then lost a bunch of top players before high school. They actually did a decent job backfilling with good players, including a very good player from NJ who will probably be a T100. Anyway, they are now ranked 40.

Best player from that 28 Coppermine team went to HG. Sounds like history is repeating itself, rough for the girls further down on the depth chart.

Best two players really, and it didn’t help HG.

My DD plays for HG. Agree wholeheartedly. But now our girls have a higher level of anxiety and learning about this new player by way of email left a bitter taste in all of our mouths.

Wouldn’t email be the best way to communicate? Why would that make you bitter?

It’s the club world, replacing good with great, that’s how you stay at top and let’s be honest, HG 2030 has never lived up to the clubs reputation. They typically are top 5 nationally in every grad year, now they are on their way.

HG going to replace MDU in top 5 after this is over

Perhaps. But MDU encouraged their player to go ahead and leave if she was looking, so MDU may have talent coming. MDU midfielder is very good but there are definitely multiple better middies in Baltimore - already on my DD’s MnD black and on HG

Honestly, the director is such a spiteful dufus, she probably did tell her best players to go elsewhere, lol. But they don’t have anyone coming in, there isn’t anyone to bring in.

I wouldn’t have a lame duck player finish out the summer either, who cares? Time to move kids around and see who can feel void.

At best, it’s a distraction.

Yeah, except one of the two leaving wasn’t gone, just looking around as you should. Pushing her out the door is idiotic.

Not too long ago club tryouts were after tournament season was mostly over. Then they were pushed earlier and earlier as teams tried to be first to hold them so they could force girls to decide within 48 hours and prevent them from going to other clubs' tryouts. This combined with "open practices" has created a terrible atmosphere where girls getting ready to play with their team for the summer are leaving early, replacing girls from current teams etc. It is never going to go back to the way it was, but I wish it would. Even worse is when tryouts happen and girls are cut and they have 2 more tournaments with their team...

And yes the MDU club director is notorious for telling girls "don't come back" if they go to an open practice or are shopping around (not even have decided to officially leave the team), but does not actively try to get girls to replace them.

If she bounced people for going to open practices they’d down many more players than one

Shhhhh leave the girls alone that are trying to do it under the radar unlike the HG new player and her parents who told everyone she was leaving and the 2 girls she was trying to bargain with HG to being with her

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Anonymous wrote:MDU not blowing up, lost 1 player right now, I’d expect 2-3 more gone at end of summer but I expect them to pick up a few too.

I think the one that left already joined a local team.

Don't think mdu can replace the players leaving with equivalent talent. But if they can keep down to just a couple players leaving, they should be alright.

There’s nowhere to get anywhere near the equivalent talent for the girls they’re losing. They had a hell of a run keeping those top girls together for so long.

I’ve seen this at club level and HS level, sometimes adding or losing talent doesn’t translate to more success or more goals. As example, HG not going to score X more goals per game adding a great goal scorer, the production will just come from less other people.

Others will step up in the absence of others, same with injuries hitting a team

Club and high school are different enough that I’ll focus on club, where rosters can stay relatively stable for years. In that setting, the impact of each additional strong player depends on how much talent a club team already has. Adding top players to an already excellent club team usually yields only modest gains because their skills overlap with existing players. Losing those same players, however, can cause a much sharper decline for the team they leave, because each one represented a meaningful share of its overall ability and leaves gaps that are harder to replace. If there is no clear path to replacing that talent, other players often decide to leave as well. Once the collapse begins, it rarely stops, and there are few or no recent examples of a strong MS team losing its best players and still competing at a similar level in HS.

I have an older daughter as well and I recall this playing out with Coppermine when she was in MS. Up through 8th grade they were one of the top teams, and then lost a bunch of top players before high school. They actually did a decent job backfilling with good players, including a very good player from NJ who will probably be a T100. Anyway, they are now ranked 40.

Best player from that 28 Coppermine team went to HG. Sounds like history is repeating itself, rough for the girls further down on the depth chart.

Best two players really, and it didn’t help HG.

My DD plays for HG. Agree wholeheartedly. But now our girls have a higher level of anxiety and learning about this new player by way of email left a bitter taste in all of our mouths.

Wouldn’t email be the best way to communicate? Why would that make you bitter?

It’s the club world, replacing good with great, that’s how you stay at top and let’s be honest, HG 2030 has never lived up to the clubs reputation. They typically are top 5 nationally in every grad year, now they are on their way.

HG going to replace MDU in top 5 after this is over

Perhaps. But MDU encouraged their player to go ahead and leave if she was looking, so MDU may have talent coming. MDU midfielder is very good but there are definitely multiple better middies in Baltimore - already on my DD’s MnD black and on HG

Honestly, the director is such a spiteful dufus, she probably did tell her best players to go elsewhere, lol. But they don’t have anyone coming in, there isn’t anyone to bring in.

I wouldn’t have a lame duck player finish out the summer either, who cares? Time to move kids around and see who can feel void.

At best, it’s a distraction.

Yeah, except one of the two leaving wasn’t gone, just looking around as you should. Pushing her out the door is idiotic.

Not too long ago club tryouts were after tournament season was mostly over. Then they were pushed earlier and earlier as teams tried to be first to hold them so they could force girls to decide within 48 hours and prevent them from going to other clubs' tryouts. This combined with "open practices" has created a terrible atmosphere where girls getting ready to play with their team for the summer are leaving early, replacing girls from current teams etc. It is never going to go back to the way it was, but I wish it would. Even worse is when tryouts happen and girls are cut and they have 2 more tournaments with their team...

And yes the MDU club director is notorious for telling girls "don't come back" if they go to an open practice or are shopping around (not even have decided to officially leave the team), but does not actively try to get girls to replace them.

If she bounced people for going to open practices they’d down many more players than one

Shhhhh leave the girls alone that are trying to do it under the radar unlike the HG new player and her parents who told everyone she was leaving and the 2 girls she was trying to bargain with HG to being with her