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Anonymous wrote:NTSB report confirmed heli was flying too high, why are we still discussing this?

I agree. To me the only question that remains is are we looking at malicious intent or gross incompetence. My money is on the latter.

Or something mechanical. These are really the only three viable possibilities at this time- but agree it looks like gross incompetence. Blaming Trump, Musk, some VIP, FAA is all wild and delusional

Or something medical with the BH pilots. Hence waiting for the reports.

I don’t think we would ever know if it was a medical event. I can’t imagine there is enough of the remains left to do an autopsy. And if it was something like a seizure that wouldn’t show on an autopsy anyway.

If they have audio from the helicopter right before the crash, it could potentially have info that help identify that as a possible explanation. Or some of the recordings of instruments.

If it was a medical event, I don't know that we'll ever know definitively, but it could wind up as a possible explanation, for whatever that might be worth to the families of survivors. I think the only people who would be comforted by that possibly are the families of the helicopter crew as it might absolve their loved ones of guilt. But for families of the victims on the plane, I am not sure there's a huge difference between the crash resulting from a pilot having a stroke and steering into the plane, versus losing sight of the plane or having identified the wrong plane and not seeing it until it was too late.

No matter what, I think ultimately the culpability is going to lie with decision makers who made it possible for something like that to result in a collision. Helicopters should never be close enough to planes landing at National that some kind of normal human error (losing a plane's lights in the traffic of cars coming up the road, or having an uncontrolled medical event) will cause them to collide. That's ultimately the lesson here and I don't know that the final NTSB report is going to change that. This was a preventable tragedy that people actually warned about because it's almost happened many times before. They should never have been so close.

So biased.

You want some agency to be blamed for this so you state there’s no difference between having a strike or seizure and plowing into people vs incompetency and plowing into people?

So just zero personal responsibility or agency for this one helicopter. Meanwhile several fly by DCA a day otherwise (confusing this current grounding).

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Anonymous wrote:NTSB report confirmed heli was flying too high, why are we still discussing this?

I agree. To me the only question that remains is are we looking at malicious intent or gross incompetence. My money is on the latter.

Or something mechanical. These are really the only three viable possibilities at this time- but agree it looks like gross incompetence. Blaming Trump, Musk, some VIP, FAA is all wild and delusional

I think Musk took a helo trip to the CIA to get ready to fire them all or to ask them to resign. If there was not a VIP, then that helo would not have been out there.

They are keeping the VIP name secret? Why?

No way Musk is getting in a helicopter with a 20 something woman at the controls.

She may only have been at the controls on the way back, for training (not that I don't think she was qualified in the first place).

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Anonymous wrote:NTSB report confirmed heli was flying too high, why are we still discussing this?

I agree. To me the only question that remains is are we looking at malicious intent or gross incompetence. My money is on the latter.

Or something mechanical. These are really the only three viable possibilities at this time- but agree it looks like gross incompetence. Blaming Trump, Musk, some VIP, FAA is all wild and delusional

I think Musk took a helo trip to the CIA to get ready to fire them all or to ask them to resign. If there was not a VIP, then that helo would not have been out there.

They are keeping the VIP name secret? Why?

No way Musk is getting in a helicopter with a 20 something woman at the controls.

Not to be a conspiracy theory nutter, but the information gap surrounding this easily avoidable and highly visible mass casualty event involving military aircraft has me truly wondering what they’re hiding. Like everyone, I’ve got my views on who should be responsible and safety protocols etc., but in the back of my mind I can’t help but feel that something is really off, beyond the obvious tragedy of losing so many lives.

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Anonymous wrote:NTSB report confirmed heli was flying too high, why are we still discussing this?

I agree. To me the only question that remains is are we looking at malicious intent or gross incompetence. My money is on the latter.

Or something mechanical. These are really the only three viable possibilities at this time- but agree it looks like gross incompetence. Blaming Trump, Musk, some VIP, FAA is all wild and delusional

Or something medical with the BH pilots. Hence waiting for the reports.

Musk is trying to fire experts as we speak.

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Anonymous wrote:NTSB report confirmed heli was flying too high, why are we still discussing this?

I agree. To me the only question that remains is are we looking at malicious intent or gross incompetence. My money is on the latter.

Or something mechanical. These are really the only three viable possibilities at this time- but agree it looks like gross incompetence. Blaming Trump, Musk, some VIP, FAA is all wild and delusional

I think Musk took a helo trip to the CIA to get ready to fire them all or to ask them to resign. If there was not a VIP, then that helo would not have been out there.

They are keeping the VIP name secret? Why?

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Anonymous wrote:NTSB report confirmed heli was flying too high, why are we still discussing this?

I agree. To me the only question that remains is are we looking at malicious intent or gross incompetence. My money is on the latter.

Or something mechanical. These are really the only three viable possibilities at this time- but agree it looks like gross incompetence. Blaming Trump, Musk, some VIP, FAA is all wild and delusional

Or something medical with the BH pilots. Hence waiting for the reports.

I don’t think we would ever know if it was a medical event. I can’t imagine there is enough of the remains left to do an autopsy. And if it was something like a seizure that wouldn’t show on an autopsy anyway.

I don't think this is true. I read the Helo was largely intact.

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Anonymous wrote:Considering that the WTOP and other news sources are reporting that the CIA employees received buy out offers, my guess is the "VIP" that was flown to Langley was Musk. Hence even the almost immediate reaction by the WH to blame DEI for the crash.

https://wtop.com/politics/2025/02/cia-sends-buyout-offers-to-entire-workforce/

I agree with this. Trump was positively unhinged at that press conference.

THANK YOU! I said this from the start!! Was told I was crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:Considering that the WTOP and other news sources are reporting that the CIA employees received buy out offers, my guess is the "VIP" that was flown to Langley was Musk. Hence even the almost immediate reaction by the WH to blame DEI for the crash.

https://wtop.com/politics/2025/02/cia-sends-buyout-offers-to-entire-workforce/

Can you explain what the CIA buyout offer has you thinking it was Musk on the BH? I am not politically savvy.

Because (if it was him) he went to Langley to meet people, see for himself, etc. He’s been doing that at other agencies as well, at all hours. So why not on a Wednesday at 8:30pm? You think this guy ever takes a car/HOV hot lanes which is where more practical? No.

Also, the immediate snap reaction to 12 hours after the crash blame a DEI? Any president would have been briefed almost immediately who was on the BH, DoD knew so Trump knew at that time. It could have been a rash cover. Then the emails about the buy outs were out. Why suddenly now CIA is included? Because it’s been almost a week, maybe to hide the story. You don’t need to be political savvy to get it.

Also I suspect he’s got trolls on this thread, which Jeff has probably been deleting. All those crazy posts re “it’s a matter of national security” “it’s no one’s business” posts about who else was on the BH to me scream musk surrogates.

Anonymous wrote:Considering that the WTOP and other news sources are reporting that the CIA employees received buy out offers, my guess is the "VIP" that was flown to Langley was Musk. Hence even the almost immediate reaction by the WH to blame DEI for the crash.

https://wtop.com/politics/2025/02/cia-sends-buyout-offers-to-entire-workforce/

Same. He was also quoted a year ago “predicting” this would happen. He wanted it.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/elon-musk-boeing-dei-diversity-x-posts-pilots-rcna133351

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/musk-airplane-crashing-dei/

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Anonymous wrote:NTSB report confirmed heli was flying too high, why are we still discussing this?

I agree. To me the only question that remains is are we looking at malicious intent or gross incompetence. My money is on the latter.

Or something mechanical. These are really the only three viable possibilities at this time- but agree it looks like gross incompetence. Blaming Trump, Musk, some VIP, FAA is all wild and delusional

Or something medical with the BH pilots. Hence waiting for the reports.

I don’t think we would ever know if it was a medical event. I can’t imagine there is enough of the remains left to do an autopsy. And if it was something like a seizure that wouldn’t show on an autopsy anyway.

If they have audio from the helicopter right before the crash, it could potentially have info that help identify that as a possible explanation. Or some of the recordings of instruments.

If it was a medical event, I don't know that we'll ever know definitively, but it could wind up as a possible explanation, for whatever that might be worth to the families of survivors. I think the only people who would be comforted by that possibly are the families of the helicopter crew as it might absolve their loved ones of guilt. But for families of the victims on the plane, I am not sure there's a huge difference between the crash resulting from a pilot having a stroke and steering into the plane, versus losing sight of the plane or having identified the wrong plane and not seeing it until it was too late.

No matter what, I think ultimately the culpability is going to lie with decision makers who made it possible for something like that to result in a collision. Helicopters should never be close enough to planes landing at National that some kind of normal human error (losing a plane's lights in the traffic of cars coming up the road, or having an uncontrolled medical event) will cause them to collide. That's ultimately the lesson here and I don't know that the final NTSB report is going to change that. This was a preventable tragedy that people actually warned about because it's almost happened many times before. They should never have been so close.

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Anonymous wrote:NTSB report confirmed heli was flying too high, why are we still discussing this?

I agree. To me the only question that remains is are we looking at malicious intent or gross incompetence. My money is on the latter.

Or something mechanical. These are really the only three viable possibilities at this time- but agree it looks like gross incompetence. Blaming Trump, Musk, some VIP, FAA is all wild and delusional

Or something medical with the BH pilots. Hence waiting for the reports.

I don’t think we would ever know if it was a medical event. I can’t imagine there is enough of the remains left to do an autopsy. And if it was something like a seizure that wouldn’t show on an autopsy anyway.

Wouldn't it show up in the Black box recording?

Anonymous wrote:Considering that the WTOP and other news sources are reporting that the CIA employees received buy out offers, my guess is the "VIP" that was flown to Langley was Musk. Hence even the almost immediate reaction by the WH to blame DEI for the crash.

https://wtop.com/politics/2025/02/cia-sends-buyout-offers-to-entire-workforce/

Can you explain what the CIA buyout offer has you thinking it was Musk on the BH? I am not politically savvy.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NTSB report confirmed heli was flying too high, why are we still discussing this?

I agree. To me the only question that remains is are we looking at malicious intent or gross incompetence. My money is on the latter.

Or something mechanical. These are really the only three viable possibilities at this time- but agree it looks like gross incompetence. Blaming Trump, Musk, some VIP, FAA is all wild and delusional

Or something medical with the BH pilots. Hence waiting for the reports.

I don’t think we would ever know if it was a medical event. I can’t imagine there is enough of the remains left to do an autopsy. And if it was something like a seizure that wouldn’t show on an autopsy anyway.

Anonymous wrote:Considering that the WTOP and other news sources are reporting that the CIA employees received buy out offers, my guess is the "VIP" that was flown to Langley was Musk. Hence even the almost immediate reaction by the WH to blame DEI for the crash.

https://wtop.com/politics/2025/02/cia-sends-buyout-offers-to-entire-workforce/

I agree with this. Trump was positively unhinged at that press conference.