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Anonymous wrote:If China gets involved, it will be WW3. The US will simply say, those trillions we supposedly owe you? Forgetaboutit.

When did China ever get involved in such things? China did not even sanction Russia. China is the Empire that lives on, by not getting involved in something it does not serve it.
The U.S. on the other hand will get involved and then yes, WW3.

Didn't China supply weapons to the North Koreans and/or the North Vietnamese?

Anonymous wrote:She is truly an embarrassment.

What she said:

What was transcribed in the official WH transcript:

"So I will say what I know we all say, and I will say over and over again: The United States stands firmly with the Ukrainian people [and] in defense of the NATO Alliance. (Applause.)"

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/03/12/remarks-by-vice-president-harris-at-the-dnc-winter-meeting/

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Anonymous wrote:The Azov Battalion is real. Doesn’t mean Putin isn’t a crazy dictator, but it isn’t true that Ukraine has no neo Nazis.

Russia has them too.

Armed battalions with names and all?

Putin has private Nazi-run death squads. Look up Wagner PMC. It's led by Putin's friend Dmitri Utkin, a former Spetznaz officer and known neo-Nazi. Check out Utkin's tattoos - Nazi Reichsadler and SS insignia. He named his company "Wagner" after Hitler's favorite composer. Wagner is Russia's dirty work and private "plausible deniability" military operating in Syria, Central African Republic, Mali and many other hot spots. Wagner currently has hundreds of assassins in Ukraine trying to assassinate the Jewish president of Ukraine, who is the grandson of Holocaust survivors and who was popularly elected by the supposedly Nazi Ukrainians with solid 73% majority.

Zelensky is a grandson of a communist, a Red Army colonel.

Does that make his grandfather not Jewish? Does it change the fact that his grandfather’s father and brothers perished in the Holocaust? What’s your point?

Communists tend to be pointedly unreligious, which is exactly why many Jews fled from communist countries. Religion was forbidden in the USSR. The October Revolution predated WWII.

PP, I am not sure why you are making this point. Zelensky’s grandfather, who was Jewish, fought in World War II with the Soviet army and rose to the level of colonel. He survived - his three brothers and father were killed in the Holocaust. This is a very common WE2 story - Jewish men often joined the only available opposition to Nazis in some areas - The Red Army. Do you think it says something negative about Zelensky’s grandfather or Zelensky that he did that?

Yes, religion was forbidden in the Soviet Union. Yes, many Jews sought to leave Soviet countries. But, since Ukraine voted overwhelmingly in 1991 to leave the Soviet Union, religion has been an accepted part of Ukrainian life. Particularly since the Maidan, there is broad acceptance of all religions even Islam - among the people and between religious leaders. Ukrainians who elected Zelensky knew he was Jewish. Since Zelensky became president he has openly spoken about his family’s Jewish background and commemorated Ukraine’s victory over Naziism.

Ukraine, broadly speaking does not have a lot of neo-Nazis, but because of the war in the Donbas early groups like Azov battalion and Right Sector, received support because they were the early groups to use force to resist Russian efforts to keep control of Ukraine by manipulating Ukrainian politicians. Ukrainians, who were opposed to Russia, saw Right Sector and Azov as the only groups available to support. As the Ukrainian Army got more organized itself and created a Territorial Defense, it folded Azov into the command structure. At the time this was seen as a way to moderate neo-Nazi support and control and eventually weed neo-Nazis out. I think that’s been somewhat successful, and today’s Ukrainian army has no greater a Nazi problem than any other country in Europe. And certainly not such a Nazi problem that justifies a Russian invasion.

Just bumping your excellent explanation, PP. Thank you for taking the time to inform any posters that were unconvinced there are trolls here and on other threads, who wish to derail the conversation and fracture US unity during this conflict.

Also a reminder that you can use the report button any time you suspect that posts are created with the specific goal of spreading lies to confuse readers and deflect blame on the wrong people.

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Anonymous wrote:If China gets involved, it will be WW3. The US will simply say, those trillions we supposedly owe you? Forgetaboutit.

When did China ever get involved in such things? China did not even sanction Russia. China is the Empire that lives on, by not getting involved in something it does not serve it.
The U.S. on the other hand will get involved and then yes, WW3.

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At this point, sanctions are hurting us more, than the average Russian.

Last I checked my MC and VISA cards still worked and I could get cash at the ATM. All the stores are still open and I'm not worried that one of my "conscripted" relatives in another country and might be dead. I have plenty of food in the house and can protest downtown in DC anytime I want with no prison time. So I'd say the average Russian is hurting a lot more. I am an average American and COVID hurt me a lot worse than this.

Average Russian doesn't have a Master Card. He can't be hurting bcs he of something he never missed in the first place.

?? Most Russians have bank accounts. Many of them cannot access those accounts right now.

Anonymous wrote:If China gets involved, it will be WW3. The US will simply say, those trillions we supposedly owe you? Forgetaboutit.

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At this point, sanctions are hurting us more, than the average Russian.


Last I checked my MC and VISA cards still worked and I could get cash at the ATM. All the stores are still open and I'm not worried that one of my "conscripted" relatives in another country and might be dead. I have plenty of food in the house and can protest downtown in DC anytime I want with no prison time. So I'd say the average Russian is hurting a lot more. I am an average American and COVID hurt me a lot worse than this.

I just can't. It is like talking to dumb and dumber here. For all the boasting in other threads that you are all so high IQ and so smart, you are all so short-sighted, it is hard to imagine how people who claim to be so smart on dcum, are in actuality beyond stupid.
Yay, you Master Card works, that is all that matters in your world!


Huh? The poster did not say that was all that mattered. Just pointed out the financial system is working.

No, she didn't. She flippantly answered as a rich entitled something who only cares about her own well-being and her own Master card. She has no capacity to think about anyone else's welfare but her own. An infliction common on dcum.
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No, she didn't. She flippantly answered as a rich entitled something who only cares about her own well-being and her own Master card. She has no capacity to think about anyone else's welfare but her own. An infliction common on dcum.


Try re reading it along with the post to which it was in response.

I'm am the PP who is being called "rich entitled something". News flash: you don't have to be rich to get a Master card. I'm a teacher. I have never made even 90K a year and I'm over 60 years old. But I "have no capacity to think about anyone else's welfare but my own". I'll bet the person who called me this makes and has more money than I do and uses a Master card.

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Last I checked my MC and VISA cards still worked and I could get cash at the ATM. All the stores are still open and I'm not worried that one of my "conscripted" relatives in another country and might be dead. I have plenty of food in the house and can protest downtown in DC anytime I want with no prison time. So I'd say the average Russian is hurting a lot more. I am an average American and COVID hurt me a lot worse than this.

Average Russian doesn't have a Master Card. He can't be hurting bcs he of something he never missed in the first place.

Well, you could be right, but many MC and UMC Russians are now leaving the country. Maybe you saw the article in the WaPo about this. They are getting on trains to Helsinki (and they are going to add more trains because the demand is so great). This is the creative class. This is the class that creates $$ that pays for a military. I also read an article in the NYT about scientists there. Apparently 8,000 of them signed a letter calling it an "invasion". Uh oh. But guess what? They have not been arrested. The government took their letter off the internet and let them be (so far). Imagine if that sector of the economy leaves as well. Russians will really be living off that lard and butter out in the hinterlands and so how will they feel about occupying a territory that they are forced to rebuild? Maybe they'd rather have internet and an I phone and more than some lard. ?? Maybe they would rather improve their own area?