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Everyone focuses on race and the effect on Asians, but this really isn't about race as much as it is about socioeconomic status which are, admittedly, intertwined. If there are poor Asian kids attending Sandburg MS, then they will benefit from the policy change. It's the wealthy families in Chantilly and Great Falls pyramids that stand to lose spots, which is why there is so much vocal outrage.

There are a few problems with focusing on socioeconomic status. This year and last year, the FARMS thing was self reported and technically everyone qualified, so TJ isn't necessarily getting many true FARMS kids. Lower middle class kids who are just barely above the FARMS threshold are treated exactly the same as the wealthy kids, even though they have vastly different opportunities/privileges. Even the highest FARMS schools have some fraction of wealthy, privileged kids who will snag many of the TJ spots for those schools. Even the lowest FARMS schools have some FARMS kids or not-quite-FARMS lower income kids. Many lower middle class Asian families prioritize education enough that they'll find a way to be in a good school, even if they're sacrificing many extras to do so. Now, those kids have almost no shot at TJ.

It's a very flawed system. If FCPS really wants to find underprivileged kids, they should look at parental education levels and not specific school, self reported FARMS status, or race.

I actually agree with you that this would be a stronger metric, but there isn't a way to do that. And besides, you'd just get parents under-reporting their education level to game the system anyway.

The new TJ admissions model works to create better representation because Northern Virginia is so deeply segregated into ethnic enclaves. If the upshot of this new policy is that population centers like those in Herndon, Ashburn, Chantilly, and Brambleton actually desegregate themselves, and end up raising the academic profile of some of the underrepresented middle schools, that's sort of a win-win. And as an added benefit, those students will spend a significant amount of time among kids from different backgrounds while they're in middle school, which will leave them better able to navigate a rapidly diversifying college and professional climate.

Except for the Asian students getting hate crimed in the hallways by their new peers.

So, PP said the quiet part out loud. It wasn't enough to claim that TJ had a "toxic environment" when there were so many Asian kids; now we're also told that our housing choices are unacceptable and that we must be incentivized to leave our "ethnic enclaves" by changing the TJ admissions model.

Perhaps they don't realize that, overall, Asians are distributed more evenly throughout NoVa than Whites (heavily concentrated in North Arlington, Vienna and Fairfax Station), Blacks (heavily concentrated in southeastern Fairfax) and Hispanics (heavily concentrated in Falls Church, Annandale, South Arlington, and now Herndon).

There's no end, apparently, to your utopian fantasies. Would it really be that hard to treat students as individuals, and not simply as members of racial groups?

[And, oh, by the way, most Asians aren't going to gravitate towards the "underrepresented middle schools" in FCPS as frequently as gravitate even more towards the neighborhood pyramids that already have a reputation as more rigorous, so your social engineering incentives will fail from Day One.]

This is a classic liberal racist tactic. They are all nice as long as the Asians are below them. Once they start to see them doing better, all kinds of such comments are made. Book smart, good at taking tests, lack social skills and nuance, can't understand accents, only good at math etc etc. A constant drip drip of trying to undermine a group. I am talking from personal experience. Despite all the noise, we are still doing well. Thank you for the motivation. We see you.

You nailed it. That's the true color of white liberals.

But the republicans aren’t that way?

Republicans don’t support systematic racial discrimination (such as AA and TJ reform) at the least.

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Everyone focuses on race and the effect on Asians, but this really isn't about race as much as it is about socioeconomic status which are, admittedly, intertwined. If there are poor Asian kids attending Sandburg MS, then they will benefit from the policy change. It's the wealthy families in Chantilly and Great Falls pyramids that stand to lose spots, which is why there is so much vocal outrage.

There are a few problems with focusing on socioeconomic status. This year and last year, the FARMS thing was self reported and technically everyone qualified, so TJ isn't necessarily getting many true FARMS kids. Lower middle class kids who are just barely above the FARMS threshold are treated exactly the same as the wealthy kids, even though they have vastly different opportunities/privileges. Even the highest FARMS schools have some fraction of wealthy, privileged kids who will snag many of the TJ spots for those schools. Even the lowest FARMS schools have some FARMS kids or not-quite-FARMS lower income kids. Many lower middle class Asian families prioritize education enough that they'll find a way to be in a good school, even if they're sacrificing many extras to do so. Now, those kids have almost no shot at TJ.

It's a very flawed system. If FCPS really wants to find underprivileged kids, they should look at parental education levels and not specific school, self reported FARMS status, or race.

I actually agree with you that this would be a stronger metric, but there isn't a way to do that. And besides, you'd just get parents under-reporting their education level to game the system anyway.

The new TJ admissions model works to create better representation because Northern Virginia is so deeply segregated into ethnic enclaves. If the upshot of this new policy is that population centers like those in Herndon, Ashburn, Chantilly, and Brambleton actually desegregate themselves, and end up raising the academic profile of some of the underrepresented middle schools, that's sort of a win-win. And as an added benefit, those students will spend a significant amount of time among kids from different backgrounds while they're in middle school, which will leave them better able to navigate a rapidly diversifying college and professional climate.

Except for the Asian students getting hate crimed in the hallways by their new peers.

So, PP said the quiet part out loud. It wasn't enough to claim that TJ had a "toxic environment" when there were so many Asian kids; now we're also told that our housing choices are unacceptable and that we must be incentivized to leave our "ethnic enclaves" by changing the TJ admissions model.

Perhaps they don't realize that, overall, Asians are distributed more evenly throughout NoVa than Whites (heavily concentrated in North Arlington, Vienna and Fairfax Station), Blacks (heavily concentrated in southeastern Fairfax) and Hispanics (heavily concentrated in Falls Church, Annandale, South Arlington, and now Herndon).

There's no end, apparently, to your utopian fantasies. Would it really be that hard to treat students as individuals, and not simply as members of racial groups?

[And, oh, by the way, most Asians aren't going to gravitate towards the "underrepresented middle schools" in FCPS as frequently as gravitate even more towards the neighborhood pyramids that already have a reputation as more rigorous, so your social engineering incentives will fail from Day One.]

This is a classic liberal racist tactic. They are all nice as long as the Asians are below them. Once they start to see them doing better, all kinds of such comments are made. Book smart, good at taking tests, lack social skills and nuance, can't understand accents, only good at math etc etc. A constant drip drip of trying to undermine a group. I am talking from personal experience. Despite all the noise, we are still doing well. Thank you for the motivation. We see you.

You nailed it. That's the true color of white liberals.

But the republicans aren’t that way?

Republicans don’t support systematic racial discrimination (such as AA and TJ reform) at the least.

This is laughable.

What's laughable is racists like you pretend to be on moral high ground. It's like hos claim they're virgins.

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Everyone focuses on race and the effect on Asians, but this really isn't about race as much as it is about socioeconomic status which are, admittedly, intertwined. If there are poor Asian kids attending Sandburg MS, then they will benefit from the policy change. It's the wealthy families in Chantilly and Great Falls pyramids that stand to lose spots, which is why there is so much vocal outrage.

There are a few problems with focusing on socioeconomic status. This year and last year, the FARMS thing was self reported and technically everyone qualified, so TJ isn't necessarily getting many true FARMS kids. Lower middle class kids who are just barely above the FARMS threshold are treated exactly the same as the wealthy kids, even though they have vastly different opportunities/privileges. Even the highest FARMS schools have some fraction of wealthy, privileged kids who will snag many of the TJ spots for those schools. Even the lowest FARMS schools have some FARMS kids or not-quite-FARMS lower income kids. Many lower middle class Asian families prioritize education enough that they'll find a way to be in a good school, even if they're sacrificing many extras to do so. Now, those kids have almost no shot at TJ.

It's a very flawed system. If FCPS really wants to find underprivileged kids, they should look at parental education levels and not specific school, self reported FARMS status, or race.

I actually agree with you that this would be a stronger metric, but there isn't a way to do that. And besides, you'd just get parents under-reporting their education level to game the system anyway.

The new TJ admissions model works to create better representation because Northern Virginia is so deeply segregated into ethnic enclaves. If the upshot of this new policy is that population centers like those in Herndon, Ashburn, Chantilly, and Brambleton actually desegregate themselves, and end up raising the academic profile of some of the underrepresented middle schools, that's sort of a win-win. And as an added benefit, those students will spend a significant amount of time among kids from different backgrounds while they're in middle school, which will leave them better able to navigate a rapidly diversifying college and professional climate.

Except for the Asian students getting hate crimed in the hallways by their new peers.

So, PP said the quiet part out loud. It wasn't enough to claim that TJ had a "toxic environment" when there were so many Asian kids; now we're also told that our housing choices are unacceptable and that we must be incentivized to leave our "ethnic enclaves" by changing the TJ admissions model.

Perhaps they don't realize that, overall, Asians are distributed more evenly throughout NoVa than Whites (heavily concentrated in North Arlington, Vienna and Fairfax Station), Blacks (heavily concentrated in southeastern Fairfax) and Hispanics (heavily concentrated in Falls Church, Annandale, South Arlington, and now Herndon).

There's no end, apparently, to your utopian fantasies. Would it really be that hard to treat students as individuals, and not simply as members of racial groups?

[And, oh, by the way, most Asians aren't going to gravitate towards the "underrepresented middle schools" in FCPS as frequently as gravitate even more towards the neighborhood pyramids that already have a reputation as more rigorous, so your social engineering incentives will fail from Day One.]

This is a classic liberal racist tactic. They are all nice as long as the Asians are below them. Once they start to see them doing better, all kinds of such comments are made. Book smart, good at taking tests, lack social skills and nuance, can't understand accents, only good at math etc etc. A constant drip drip of trying to undermine a group. I am talking from personal experience. Despite all the noise, we are still doing well. Thank you for the motivation. We see you.

You nailed it. That's the true color of white liberals.

But the republicans aren’t that way?

Republicans don’t support systematic racial discrimination (such as AA and TJ reform) at the least.

This is laughable.

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Everyone focuses on race and the effect on Asians, but this really isn't about race as much as it is about socioeconomic status which are, admittedly, intertwined. If there are poor Asian kids attending Sandburg MS, then they will benefit from the policy change. It's the wealthy families in Chantilly and Great Falls pyramids that stand to lose spots, which is why there is so much vocal outrage.

There are a few problems with focusing on socioeconomic status. This year and last year, the FARMS thing was self reported and technically everyone qualified, so TJ isn't necessarily getting many true FARMS kids. Lower middle class kids who are just barely above the FARMS threshold are treated exactly the same as the wealthy kids, even though they have vastly different opportunities/privileges. Even the highest FARMS schools have some fraction of wealthy, privileged kids who will snag many of the TJ spots for those schools. Even the lowest FARMS schools have some FARMS kids or not-quite-FARMS lower income kids. Many lower middle class Asian families prioritize education enough that they'll find a way to be in a good school, even if they're sacrificing many extras to do so. Now, those kids have almost no shot at TJ.

It's a very flawed system. If FCPS really wants to find underprivileged kids, they should look at parental education levels and not specific school, self reported FARMS status, or race.

I actually agree with you that this would be a stronger metric, but there isn't a way to do that. And besides, you'd just get parents under-reporting their education level to game the system anyway.

The new TJ admissions model works to create better representation because Northern Virginia is so deeply segregated into ethnic enclaves. If the upshot of this new policy is that population centers like those in Herndon, Ashburn, Chantilly, and Brambleton actually desegregate themselves, and end up raising the academic profile of some of the underrepresented middle schools, that's sort of a win-win. And as an added benefit, those students will spend a significant amount of time among kids from different backgrounds while they're in middle school, which will leave them better able to navigate a rapidly diversifying college and professional climate.

Except for the Asian students getting hate crimed in the hallways by their new peers.

So, PP said the quiet part out loud. It wasn't enough to claim that TJ had a "toxic environment" when there were so many Asian kids; now we're also told that our housing choices are unacceptable and that we must be incentivized to leave our "ethnic enclaves" by changing the TJ admissions model.

Perhaps they don't realize that, overall, Asians are distributed more evenly throughout NoVa than Whites (heavily concentrated in North Arlington, Vienna and Fairfax Station), Blacks (heavily concentrated in southeastern Fairfax) and Hispanics (heavily concentrated in Falls Church, Annandale, South Arlington, and now Herndon).

There's no end, apparently, to your utopian fantasies. Would it really be that hard to treat students as individuals, and not simply as members of racial groups?

[And, oh, by the way, most Asians aren't going to gravitate towards the "underrepresented middle schools" in FCPS as frequently as gravitate even more towards the neighborhood pyramids that already have a reputation as more rigorous, so your social engineering incentives will fail from Day One.]

This is a classic liberal racist tactic. They are all nice as long as the Asians are below them. Once they start to see them doing better, all kinds of such comments are made. Book smart, good at taking tests, lack social skills and nuance, can't understand accents, only good at math etc etc. A constant drip drip of trying to undermine a group. I am talking from personal experience. Despite all the noise, we are still doing well. Thank you for the motivation. We see you.

You nailed it. That's the true color of white liberals.

But the republicans aren’t that way?

They are at least more honest about it.

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Anonymous wrote:University admissions will take note of what is happening at TJ and stop treating it as a "guarantee" of rigor. This may take a couple of years, or it may be very quick, but eventually TJ will mean nothing more than any other decent high school in this area. TJ is no longer a "selective" school, as far as admission goes.

Yes, but if they allow things to go back to the way they were and allow Asians to have more spots, TJ will still be viewed as the number 1 high school in America.

Anonymous wrote:University admissions will take note of what is happening at TJ and stop treating it as a "guarantee" of rigor. This may take a couple of years, or it may be very quick, but eventually TJ will mean nothing more than any other decent high school in this area. TJ is no longer a "selective" school, as far as admission goes.

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Everyone focuses on race and the effect on Asians, but this really isn't about race as much as it is about socioeconomic status which are, admittedly, intertwined. If there are poor Asian kids attending Sandburg MS, then they will benefit from the policy change. It's the wealthy families in Chantilly and Great Falls pyramids that stand to lose spots, which is why there is so much vocal outrage.

There are a few problems with focusing on socioeconomic status. This year and last year, the FARMS thing was self reported and technically everyone qualified, so TJ isn't necessarily getting many true FARMS kids. Lower middle class kids who are just barely above the FARMS threshold are treated exactly the same as the wealthy kids, even though they have vastly different opportunities/privileges. Even the highest FARMS schools have some fraction of wealthy, privileged kids who will snag many of the TJ spots for those schools. Even the lowest FARMS schools have some FARMS kids or not-quite-FARMS lower income kids. Many lower middle class Asian families prioritize education enough that they'll find a way to be in a good school, even if they're sacrificing many extras to do so. Now, those kids have almost no shot at TJ.

It's a very flawed system. If FCPS really wants to find underprivileged kids, they should look at parental education levels and not specific school, self reported FARMS status, or race.

I actually agree with you that this would be a stronger metric, but there isn't a way to do that. And besides, you'd just get parents under-reporting their education level to game the system anyway.

The new TJ admissions model works to create better representation because Northern Virginia is so deeply segregated into ethnic enclaves. If the upshot of this new policy is that population centers like those in Herndon, Ashburn, Chantilly, and Brambleton actually desegregate themselves, and end up raising the academic profile of some of the underrepresented middle schools, that's sort of a win-win. And as an added benefit, those students will spend a significant amount of time among kids from different backgrounds while they're in middle school, which will leave them better able to navigate a rapidly diversifying college and professional climate.

Except for the Asian students getting hate crimed in the hallways by their new peers.

So, PP said the quiet part out loud. It wasn't enough to claim that TJ had a "toxic environment" when there were so many Asian kids; now we're also told that our housing choices are unacceptable and that we must be incentivized to leave our "ethnic enclaves" by changing the TJ admissions model.

Perhaps they don't realize that, overall, Asians are distributed more evenly throughout NoVa than Whites (heavily concentrated in North Arlington, Vienna and Fairfax Station), Blacks (heavily concentrated in southeastern Fairfax) and Hispanics (heavily concentrated in Falls Church, Annandale, South Arlington, and now Herndon).

There's no end, apparently, to your utopian fantasies. Would it really be that hard to treat students as individuals, and not simply as members of racial groups?

[And, oh, by the way, most Asians aren't going to gravitate towards the "underrepresented middle schools" in FCPS as frequently as gravitate even more towards the neighborhood pyramids that already have a reputation as more rigorous, so your social engineering incentives will fail from Day One.]

This is a classic liberal racist tactic. They are all nice as long as the Asians are below them. Once they start to see them doing better, all kinds of such comments are made. Book smart, good at taking tests, lack social skills and nuance, can't understand accents, only good at math etc etc. A constant drip drip of trying to undermine a group. I am talking from personal experience. Despite all the noise, we are still doing well. Thank you for the motivation. We see you.

You nailed it. That's the true color of white liberals.

But the republicans aren’t that way?

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Everyone focuses on race and the effect on Asians, but this really isn't about race as much as it is about socioeconomic status which are, admittedly, intertwined. If there are poor Asian kids attending Sandburg MS, then they will benefit from the policy change. It's the wealthy families in Chantilly and Great Falls pyramids that stand to lose spots, which is why there is so much vocal outrage.

There are a few problems with focusing on socioeconomic status. This year and last year, the FARMS thing was self reported and technically everyone qualified, so TJ isn't necessarily getting many true FARMS kids. Lower middle class kids who are just barely above the FARMS threshold are treated exactly the same as the wealthy kids, even though they have vastly different opportunities/privileges. Even the highest FARMS schools have some fraction of wealthy, privileged kids who will snag many of the TJ spots for those schools. Even the lowest FARMS schools have some FARMS kids or not-quite-FARMS lower income kids. Many lower middle class Asian families prioritize education enough that they'll find a way to be in a good school, even if they're sacrificing many extras to do so. Now, those kids have almost no shot at TJ.

It's a very flawed system. If FCPS really wants to find underprivileged kids, they should look at parental education levels and not specific school, self reported FARMS status, or race.

I actually agree with you that this would be a stronger metric, but there isn't a way to do that. And besides, you'd just get parents under-reporting their education level to game the system anyway.

The new TJ admissions model works to create better representation because Northern Virginia is so deeply segregated into ethnic enclaves. If the upshot of this new policy is that population centers like those in Herndon, Ashburn, Chantilly, and Brambleton actually desegregate themselves, and end up raising the academic profile of some of the underrepresented middle schools, that's sort of a win-win. And as an added benefit, those students will spend a significant amount of time among kids from different backgrounds while they're in middle school, which will leave them better able to navigate a rapidly diversifying college and professional climate.

Except for the Asian students getting hate crimed in the hallways by their new peers.

So, PP said the quiet part out loud. It wasn't enough to claim that TJ had a "toxic environment" when there were so many Asian kids; now we're also told that our housing choices are unacceptable and that we must be incentivized to leave our "ethnic enclaves" by changing the TJ admissions model.

Perhaps they don't realize that, overall, Asians are distributed more evenly throughout NoVa than Whites (heavily concentrated in North Arlington, Vienna and Fairfax Station), Blacks (heavily concentrated in southeastern Fairfax) and Hispanics (heavily concentrated in Falls Church, Annandale, South Arlington, and now Herndon).

There's no end, apparently, to your utopian fantasies. Would it really be that hard to treat students as individuals, and not simply as members of racial groups?

[And, oh, by the way, most Asians aren't going to gravitate towards the "underrepresented middle schools" in FCPS as frequently as gravitate even more towards the neighborhood pyramids that already have a reputation as more rigorous, so your social engineering incentives will fail from Day One.]

This is a classic liberal racist tactic. They are all nice as long as the Asians are below them. Once they start to see them doing better, all kinds of such comments are made. Book smart, good at taking tests, lack social skills and nuance, can't understand accents, only good at math etc etc. A constant drip drip of trying to undermine a group. I am talking from personal experience. Despite all the noise, we are still doing well. Thank you for the motivation. We see you.

You nailed it. That's the true color of white liberals.

But the republicans aren’t that way?

Republicans don’t support systematic racial discrimination (such as AA and TJ reform) at the least.

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Everyone focuses on race and the effect on Asians, but this really isn't about race as much as it is about socioeconomic status which are, admittedly, intertwined. If there are poor Asian kids attending Sandburg MS, then they will benefit from the policy change. It's the wealthy families in Chantilly and Great Falls pyramids that stand to lose spots, which is why there is so much vocal outrage.

There are a few problems with focusing on socioeconomic status. This year and last year, the FARMS thing was self reported and technically everyone qualified, so TJ isn't necessarily getting many true FARMS kids. Lower middle class kids who are just barely above the FARMS threshold are treated exactly the same as the wealthy kids, even though they have vastly different opportunities/privileges. Even the highest FARMS schools have some fraction of wealthy, privileged kids who will snag many of the TJ spots for those schools. Even the lowest FARMS schools have some FARMS kids or not-quite-FARMS lower income kids. Many lower middle class Asian families prioritize education enough that they'll find a way to be in a good school, even if they're sacrificing many extras to do so. Now, those kids have almost no shot at TJ.

It's a very flawed system. If FCPS really wants to find underprivileged kids, they should look at parental education levels and not specific school, self reported FARMS status, or race.

I actually agree with you that this would be a stronger metric, but there isn't a way to do that. And besides, you'd just get parents under-reporting their education level to game the system anyway.

The new TJ admissions model works to create better representation because Northern Virginia is so deeply segregated into ethnic enclaves. If the upshot of this new policy is that population centers like those in Herndon, Ashburn, Chantilly, and Brambleton actually desegregate themselves, and end up raising the academic profile of some of the underrepresented middle schools, that's sort of a win-win. And as an added benefit, those students will spend a significant amount of time among kids from different backgrounds while they're in middle school, which will leave them better able to navigate a rapidly diversifying college and professional climate.

Except for the Asian students getting hate crimed in the hallways by their new peers.

So, PP said the quiet part out loud. It wasn't enough to claim that TJ had a "toxic environment" when there were so many Asian kids; now we're also told that our housing choices are unacceptable and that we must be incentivized to leave our "ethnic enclaves" by changing the TJ admissions model.

Perhaps they don't realize that, overall, Asians are distributed more evenly throughout NoVa than Whites (heavily concentrated in North Arlington, Vienna and Fairfax Station), Blacks (heavily concentrated in southeastern Fairfax) and Hispanics (heavily concentrated in Falls Church, Annandale, South Arlington, and now Herndon).

There's no end, apparently, to your utopian fantasies. Would it really be that hard to treat students as individuals, and not simply as members of racial groups?

[And, oh, by the way, most Asians aren't going to gravitate towards the "underrepresented middle schools" in FCPS as frequently as gravitate even more towards the neighborhood pyramids that already have a reputation as more rigorous, so your social engineering incentives will fail from Day One.]

This is a classic liberal racist tactic. They are all nice as long as the Asians are below them. Once they start to see them doing better, all kinds of such comments are made. Book smart, good at taking tests, lack social skills and nuance, can't understand accents, only good at math etc etc. A constant drip drip of trying to undermine a group. I am talking from personal experience. Despite all the noise, we are still doing well. Thank you for the motivation. We see you.

You nailed it. That's the true color of white liberals.

But the republicans aren’t that way?

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Everyone focuses on race and the effect on Asians, but this really isn't about race as much as it is about socioeconomic status which are, admittedly, intertwined. If there are poor Asian kids attending Sandburg MS, then they will benefit from the policy change. It's the wealthy families in Chantilly and Great Falls pyramids that stand to lose spots, which is why there is so much vocal outrage.

There are a few problems with focusing on socioeconomic status. This year and last year, the FARMS thing was self reported and technically everyone qualified, so TJ isn't necessarily getting many true FARMS kids. Lower middle class kids who are just barely above the FARMS threshold are treated exactly the same as the wealthy kids, even though they have vastly different opportunities/privileges. Even the highest FARMS schools have some fraction of wealthy, privileged kids who will snag many of the TJ spots for those schools. Even the lowest FARMS schools have some FARMS kids or not-quite-FARMS lower income kids. Many lower middle class Asian families prioritize education enough that they'll find a way to be in a good school, even if they're sacrificing many extras to do so. Now, those kids have almost no shot at TJ.

It's a very flawed system. If FCPS really wants to find underprivileged kids, they should look at parental education levels and not specific school, self reported FARMS status, or race.

I actually agree with you that this would be a stronger metric, but there isn't a way to do that. And besides, you'd just get parents under-reporting their education level to game the system anyway.

The new TJ admissions model works to create better representation because Northern Virginia is so deeply segregated into ethnic enclaves. If the upshot of this new policy is that population centers like those in Herndon, Ashburn, Chantilly, and Brambleton actually desegregate themselves, and end up raising the academic profile of some of the underrepresented middle schools, that's sort of a win-win. And as an added benefit, those students will spend a significant amount of time among kids from different backgrounds while they're in middle school, which will leave them better able to navigate a rapidly diversifying college and professional climate.

Except for the Asian students getting hate crimed in the hallways by their new peers.

So, PP said the quiet part out loud. It wasn't enough to claim that TJ had a "toxic environment" when there were so many Asian kids; now we're also told that our housing choices are unacceptable and that we must be incentivized to leave our "ethnic enclaves" by changing the TJ admissions model.

Perhaps they don't realize that, overall, Asians are distributed more evenly throughout NoVa than Whites (heavily concentrated in North Arlington, Vienna and Fairfax Station), Blacks (heavily concentrated in southeastern Fairfax) and Hispanics (heavily concentrated in Falls Church, Annandale, South Arlington, and now Herndon).

There's no end, apparently, to your utopian fantasies. Would it really be that hard to treat students as individuals, and not simply as members of racial groups?

[And, oh, by the way, most Asians aren't going to gravitate towards the "underrepresented middle schools" in FCPS as frequently as gravitate even more towards the neighborhood pyramids that already have a reputation as more rigorous, so your social engineering incentives will fail from Day One.]

This is a classic liberal racist tactic. They are all nice as long as the Asians are below them. Once they start to see them doing better, all kinds of such comments are made. Book smart, good at taking tests, lack social skills and nuance, can't understand accents, only good at math etc etc. A constant drip drip of trying to undermine a group. I am talking from personal experience. Despite all the noise, we are still doing well. Thank you for the motivation. We see you.

You nailed it. That's the true color of white liberals.

But the republicans aren’t that way?

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Everyone focuses on race and the effect on Asians, but this really isn't about race as much as it is about socioeconomic status which are, admittedly, intertwined. If there are poor Asian kids attending Sandburg MS, then they will benefit from the policy change. It's the wealthy families in Chantilly and Great Falls pyramids that stand to lose spots, which is why there is so much vocal outrage.

There are a few problems with focusing on socioeconomic status. This year and last year, the FARMS thing was self reported and technically everyone qualified, so TJ isn't necessarily getting many true FARMS kids. Lower middle class kids who are just barely above the FARMS threshold are treated exactly the same as the wealthy kids, even though they have vastly different opportunities/privileges. Even the highest FARMS schools have some fraction of wealthy, privileged kids who will snag many of the TJ spots for those schools. Even the lowest FARMS schools have some FARMS kids or not-quite-FARMS lower income kids. Many lower middle class Asian families prioritize education enough that they'll find a way to be in a good school, even if they're sacrificing many extras to do so. Now, those kids have almost no shot at TJ.

It's a very flawed system. If FCPS really wants to find underprivileged kids, they should look at parental education levels and not specific school, self reported FARMS status, or race.

I actually agree with you that this would be a stronger metric, but there isn't a way to do that. And besides, you'd just get parents under-reporting their education level to game the system anyway.

The new TJ admissions model works to create better representation because Northern Virginia is so deeply segregated into ethnic enclaves. If the upshot of this new policy is that population centers like those in Herndon, Ashburn, Chantilly, and Brambleton actually desegregate themselves, and end up raising the academic profile of some of the underrepresented middle schools, that's sort of a win-win. And as an added benefit, those students will spend a significant amount of time among kids from different backgrounds while they're in middle school, which will leave them better able to navigate a rapidly diversifying college and professional climate.

Except for the Asian students getting hate crimed in the hallways by their new peers.

So, PP said the quiet part out loud. It wasn't enough to claim that TJ had a "toxic environment" when there were so many Asian kids; now we're also told that our housing choices are unacceptable and that we must be incentivized to leave our "ethnic enclaves" by changing the TJ admissions model.

Perhaps they don't realize that, overall, Asians are distributed more evenly throughout NoVa than Whites (heavily concentrated in North Arlington, Vienna and Fairfax Station), Blacks (heavily concentrated in southeastern Fairfax) and Hispanics (heavily concentrated in Falls Church, Annandale, South Arlington, and now Herndon).

There's no end, apparently, to your utopian fantasies. Would it really be that hard to treat students as individuals, and not simply as members of racial groups?

[And, oh, by the way, most Asians aren't going to gravitate towards the "underrepresented middle schools" in FCPS as frequently as gravitate even more towards the neighborhood pyramids that already have a reputation as more rigorous, so your social engineering incentives will fail from Day One.]

This is a classic liberal racist tactic. They are all nice as long as the Asians are below them. Once they start to see them doing better, all kinds of such comments are made. Book smart, good at taking tests, lack social skills and nuance, can't understand accents, only good at math etc etc. A constant drip drip of trying to undermine a group. I am talking from personal experience. Despite all the noise, we are still doing well. Thank you for the motivation. We see you.

You nailed it. That's the true color of white liberals.

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Everyone focuses on race and the effect on Asians, but this really isn't about race as much as it is about socioeconomic status which are, admittedly, intertwined. If there are poor Asian kids attending Sandburg MS, then they will benefit from the policy change. It's the wealthy families in Chantilly and Great Falls pyramids that stand to lose spots, which is why there is so much vocal outrage.

There are a few problems with focusing on socioeconomic status. This year and last year, the FARMS thing was self reported and technically everyone qualified, so TJ isn't necessarily getting many true FARMS kids. Lower middle class kids who are just barely above the FARMS threshold are treated exactly the same as the wealthy kids, even though they have vastly different opportunities/privileges. Even the highest FARMS schools have some fraction of wealthy, privileged kids who will snag many of the TJ spots for those schools. Even the lowest FARMS schools have some FARMS kids or not-quite-FARMS lower income kids. Many lower middle class Asian families prioritize education enough that they'll find a way to be in a good school, even if they're sacrificing many extras to do so. Now, those kids have almost no shot at TJ.

It's a very flawed system. If FCPS really wants to find underprivileged kids, they should look at parental education levels and not specific school, self reported FARMS status, or race.

I actually agree with you that this would be a stronger metric, but there isn't a way to do that. And besides, you'd just get parents under-reporting their education level to game the system anyway.

The new TJ admissions model works to create better representation because Northern Virginia is so deeply segregated into ethnic enclaves. If the upshot of this new policy is that population centers like those in Herndon, Ashburn, Chantilly, and Brambleton actually desegregate themselves, and end up raising the academic profile of some of the underrepresented middle schools, that's sort of a win-win. And as an added benefit, those students will spend a significant amount of time among kids from different backgrounds while they're in middle school, which will leave them better able to navigate a rapidly diversifying college and professional climate.

Except for the Asian students getting hate crimed in the hallways by their new peers.

So, PP said the quiet part out loud. It wasn't enough to claim that TJ had a "toxic environment" when there were so many Asian kids; now we're also told that our housing choices are unacceptable and that we must be incentivized to leave our "ethnic enclaves" by changing the TJ admissions model.

Perhaps they don't realize that, overall, Asians are distributed more evenly throughout NoVa than Whites (heavily concentrated in North Arlington, Vienna and Fairfax Station), Blacks (heavily concentrated in southeastern Fairfax) and Hispanics (heavily concentrated in Falls Church, Annandale, South Arlington, and now Herndon).

There's no end, apparently, to your utopian fantasies. Would it really be that hard to treat students as individuals, and not simply as members of racial groups?

[And, oh, by the way, most Asians aren't going to gravitate towards the "underrepresented middle schools" in FCPS as frequently as gravitate even more towards the neighborhood pyramids that already have a reputation as more rigorous, so your social engineering incentives will fail from Day One.]

This is a classic liberal racist tactic. They are all nice as long as the Asians are below them. Once they start to see them doing better, all kinds of such comments are made. Book smart, good at taking tests, lack social skills and nuance, can't understand accents, only good at math etc etc. A constant drip drip of trying to undermine a group. I am talking from personal experience. Despite all the noise, we are still doing well. Thank you for the motivation. We see you.

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Everyone focuses on race and the effect on Asians, but this really isn't about race as much as it is about socioeconomic status which are, admittedly, intertwined. If there are poor Asian kids attending Sandburg MS, then they will benefit from the policy change. It's the wealthy families in Chantilly and Great Falls pyramids that stand to lose spots, which is why there is so much vocal outrage.

There are a few problems with focusing on socioeconomic status. This year and last year, the FARMS thing was self reported and technically everyone qualified, so TJ isn't necessarily getting many true FARMS kids. Lower middle class kids who are just barely above the FARMS threshold are treated exactly the same as the wealthy kids, even though they have vastly different opportunities/privileges. Even the highest FARMS schools have some fraction of wealthy, privileged kids who will snag many of the TJ spots for those schools. Even the lowest FARMS schools have some FARMS kids or not-quite-FARMS lower income kids. Many lower middle class Asian families prioritize education enough that they'll find a way to be in a good school, even if they're sacrificing many extras to do so. Now, those kids have almost no shot at TJ.

It's a very flawed system. If FCPS really wants to find underprivileged kids, they should look at parental education levels and not specific school, self reported FARMS status, or race.

I actually agree with you that this would be a stronger metric, but there isn't a way to do that. And besides, you'd just get parents under-reporting their education level to game the system anyway.

The new TJ admissions model works to create better representation because Northern Virginia is so deeply segregated into ethnic enclaves. If the upshot of this new policy is that population centers like those in Herndon, Ashburn, Chantilly, and Brambleton actually desegregate themselves, and end up raising the academic profile of some of the underrepresented middle schools, that's sort of a win-win. And as an added benefit, those students will spend a significant amount of time among kids from different backgrounds while they're in middle school, which will leave them better able to navigate a rapidly diversifying college and professional climate.

Except for the Asian students getting hate crimed in the hallways by their new peers.

So, PP said the quiet part out loud. It wasn't enough to claim that TJ had a "toxic environment" when there were so many Asian kids; now we're also told that our housing choices are unacceptable and that we must be incentivized to leave our "ethnic enclaves" by changing the TJ admissions model.

Perhaps they don't realize that, overall, Asians are distributed more evenly throughout NoVa than Whites (heavily concentrated in North Arlington, Vienna and Fairfax Station), Blacks (heavily concentrated in southeastern Fairfax) and Hispanics (heavily concentrated in Falls Church, Annandale, South Arlington, and now Herndon).

There's no end, apparently, to your utopian fantasies. Would it really be that hard to treat students as individuals, and not simply as members of racial groups?

[And, oh, by the way, most Asians aren't going to gravitate towards the "underrepresented middle schools" in FCPS as frequently as gravitate even more towards the neighborhood pyramids that already have a reputation as more rigorous, so your social engineering incentives will fail from Day One.]

Anonymous wrote:University admissions will take note of what is happening at TJ and stop treating it as a "guarantee" of rigor. This may take a couple of years, or it may be very quick, but eventually TJ will mean nothing more than any other decent high school in this area. TJ is no longer a "selective" school, as far as admission goes.