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Anonymous wrote:My top 10 list

Harvard
Stanford
MIT
Yale
Princeton
Columbia
Caltech
Chicago
Penn
Northwestern

+1. I think the first 9 are undoubtedly top 10. The last spot could also go to Berkeley or Duke. I hope we can come to a consensus on that. At this point I don’t even want to argue about the order anymore, and let’s not waste our time to tier everything. Please.

The tiers tend to help nuance the rankings. Agree though that the schools in this top 9 are solid only subject to debate as to their order.

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Anonymous wrote:A college with ED doesn't belong to the top tier. It demonstrates lack of confidence competing with HYPSM. So Columbia isn't HYPSM caliber. Neither is Penn or Chicago.

Can’t we stipulate that HYPSM are the top tier?
It is reality that Columbia, Chicago and Northwestern are not currently in the same tier as HYPSM.

I think there's ~15 "elite" schools in the US, of which "top tier" constitutes HYPSM. The other 10 elite schools are (no particular order):

Brown
Columbia
Cornell
Chicago
Northwestern
Duke
Dartmouth
JHU
Caltech
Penn

This is for undergrad only obviously

People on here need to look up the definition of university. I thought there were decent number of educated folks l
around here. University includes all students both undergraduate and graduate, faculty and academic research.

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Anonymous wrote:A college with ED doesn't belong to the top tier. It demonstrates lack of confidence competing with HYPSM. So Columbia isn't HYPSM caliber. Neither is Penn or Chicago.

Can’t we stipulate that HYPSM are the top tier?
It is reality that Columbia, Chicago and Northwestern are not currently in the same tier as HYPSM.

I think there's ~15 "elite" schools in the US, of which "top tier" constitutes HYPSM. The other 10 elite schools are (no particular order):

Brown
Columbia
Cornell
Chicago
Northwestern
Duke
Dartmouth
JHU
Caltech
Penn

This is for undergrad only obviously

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Anonymous wrote:A college with ED doesn't belong to the top tier. It demonstrates lack of confidence competing with HYPSM. So Columbia isn't HYPSM caliber. Neither is Penn or Chicago.

Can’t we stipulate that HYPSM are the top tier?
It is reality that Columbia, Chicago and Northwestern are not currently in the same tier as HYPSM.

I think there's ~15 "elite" schools in the US, of which "top tier" constitutes HYPSM. The other 10 elite schools are (no particular order):

Brown
Columbia
Cornell
Chicago
Northwestern
Duke
Dartmouth
JHU
Caltech
Penn

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Anonymous wrote:A college with ED doesn't belong to the top tier. It demonstrates lack of confidence competing with HYPSM. So Columbia isn't HYPSM caliber. Neither is Penn or Chicago.

Can’t we stipulate that HYPSM are the top tier?
It is reality that Columbia, Chicago and Northwestern are not currently in the same tier as HYPSM.

That is fair but they are certainly top 10 schools, along with Penn and Caltech.

Anonymous wrote:A college with ED doesn't belong to the top tier. It demonstrates lack of confidence competing with HYPSM. So Columbia isn't HYPSM caliber. Neither is Penn or Chicago.

Can’t we stipulate that HYPSM are the top tier?
It is reality that Columbia, Chicago and Northwestern are not currently in the same tier as HYPSM.

We already have a top 10 list...just go by US News

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

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Anonymous wrote:HYPSM
Caltech, Columbia, Penn
Berkeley, Chicago, Duke
Dartmouth, Brown
Michigan, UCLA, Cornell

Dumbest list on here

Yes, Berkeley, Michigan and UCLA belong in a lower tier

HYPSM
Columbia Chicago Caltech Penn
Northwestern Duke Dartmouth Brown
Johns Hopkins Cornell

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard Stanford MIT
Yale Princeton Columbia
Penn Chicago Caltech
Northwestern Duke Dartmouth Brown Berkeley
Cornell Johns Hopkins

Best list so far.

Not sure Stanford is above Yale, Princeton, Columbia. I know multiple kids who were rejected by Yale, Princeton, Columbia but admitted to Stanford.

Stanford is probably in a similar tier with Yale and Princeton, but these days perception is that Harvard and Stanford are best of best. There is a drop between HYPSM and Columbia

So what exactly is this gap between HYPSM and Columbia?

Funny, Ivy originally came from IV - Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia.

Look, I’m a DP and a fan of Columbia, but this is an urban legend that is mostly only touted by Columbia alums.

Pathetically insecure...

Please check the facts before you post. Ignorance is the most pathetic thing on this thread; it wins by a hair over those insecure posters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercollegiate_Football_Association

"On November 23, 1876, representatives from Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Columbia met at the Massasoit House hotel in Springfield, Massachusetts to standardize a new code of rules based on the rugby game."

So yes, even though the term "Ivy" did not come from "IV," these four schools were the first precursor to the Ivy League.

What a horribly misinformed post and somewhat of a self-own, admitting that the IV etymology is fake.

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Please check the facts before you post. Ignorance is the most pathetic thing on this thread; it wins by a hair over those insecure posters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercollegiate_Football_Association

"On November 23, 1876, representatives from Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Columbia met at the Massasoit House hotel in Springfield, Massachusetts to standardize a new code of rules based on the rugby game."

So yes, even though the term "Ivy" did not come from "IV," these four schools were the first precursor to the Ivy League.

Yes, but two years before that (in 1874) Yale, Columbia, Princeton, and Rutgers had already met in an initial attempt to standardize the rules. So is Rutgers an Ivy League school?

Snooty Harvard refused to attend the conference and kept playing by their own "Boston" rules. For matches against other universities, they ended up playing against McGill instead. So perhaps Harvard and McGill are really the only two original members of the Ivy League?

In any case, clearly the top 10 universities in the USA must include both Rutgers and McGill (although everyone know the absolute #1 University in the US is actually UC Davis)


[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1874_Harvard_vs._McGill_football_game ]

A college with ED doesn't belong to the top tier. It demonstrates lack of confidence competing with HYPSM. So Columbia isn't HYPSM caliber. Neither is Penn or Chicago.

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Anonymous wrote:HYPSM
Caltech, Columbia, Penn
Berkeley, Chicago, Duke
Dartmouth, Brown
Michigan, UCLA, Cornell

Dumbest list on here

Dumbest poster on here.

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Here is the appropriate tier:

HYPSM
Columbia Chicago Caltech Penn
Northwestern Duke
Dartmouth Brown Cornell
Johns Hopkins Berkeley

50+ crowd chiming in here. I agree with this tier list.

I went to grad school at Northwestern, and I have a hard time believing the undergrads there rank over the undergrads at Brown, Cornell or Johns Hopkins.

The students seemed like regular bright, preprofessional students, not just one rung down from what I think of as Cal Tech or University of Chicago students.

I went to undergrad and grad at two Ivies but some of my closest friends are Northwestern grads. I can assure you, just because they present as sociable and “regular” doesn’t at all mean they aren’t extremely intelligent and competent. In fact, that’s part of the appeal of the school for some — the relative lack of pretense compared to some of its peers. I’d put Northwestern against Brown, Cornell or Hopkins any day of the week.

+1.

Anonymous wrote:HYPSM
Caltech, Columbia, Penn
Berkeley, Chicago, Duke
Dartmouth, Brown
Michigan, UCLA, Cornell

Dumbest list on here