Anonymous
Post 04/08/2021 14:19     Subject: Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?
Anonymous wrote:Powerful testimony from this doctor. Chilling.

Yes, very. I can’t get his testimony out of my mind. I’m sure it made a huge impact on jurors.
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2021 13:58     Subject: Re:Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?
Anonymous wrote:It's hard to argue against the pulmonologist. However, the weight of one's own head will leave an impression, especially against a street. Did they say how he got the shoulder injury? Was that the shoulder he was lying on, or did it happen in the squad car?

Still, leaving pill fragments in the squad car is pretty telling. Did he really have claustrophobia, or was it a ploy to create a diversion so he could ditch the pills?


cross exam starts after lunch. i think all the exact seeming calculations of weight on the back and % oxygen capacity, etc would be pretty easy to establish as weakly theoretical or as having a very wide margin of error on them if the defense wants to. to say his lung/oxygen capacity or whatever that exact term was, was reduced by exactly 42%, 23% because of position 19% becuase of knee, seems naive.
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2021 13:39     Subject: Re:Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?
It's hard to argue against the pulmonologist. However, the weight of one's own head will leave an impression, especially against a street. Did they say how he got the shoulder injury? Was that the shoulder he was lying on, or did it happen in the squad car?

Still, leaving pill fragments in the squad car is pretty telling. Did he really have claustrophobia, or was it a ploy to create a diversion so he could ditch the pills?
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2021 11:04     Subject: Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?
Powerful testimony from this doctor. Chilling.
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2021 10:57     Subject: Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?
As I mentioned earlier, there is visible trauma seen on GF’s left shoulder and left cheekbone, that has to demonstrate the excessive use of pressure/force to his neck as they pushed him into the asphalt.
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2021 08:11     Subject: Re:Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?
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Anonymous wrote:If he took more drugs in the car, that in addition to the stress of the arrest could have caused a heart attack and/or overdose. I'm not convinced Chauvin's knee was pressing hard. Sometimes it did seem like his knee was more towards the back.

His death was caused by multiple factors. Two people at Cup Foods who sensed something wasn't right. Rookie cops who couldn't get him in the car. Hardened cops. COVID. Meth, fentanyl, cigarettes. He said he couldn't breathe before Chauvin's knee was ever on him. What Chauvin did was not right, but GF was already dying.


Man, you people will tie yourselves into all kinds of knots to excuse this POS Chauvin. He must have just been pressing his knee softly into Floyd's neck. Almost a caress even.


It's amazing to me how people will contort themselves to defend a murderer just because he wore a badge. His own police colleagues are condemning his behavior, but you're just sure that it was totally justified.


+1. It's incomprehensible how people are contorting themselves to come up with some other magical reason why George Floyd died during the 9 minutes and 29 seconds that Chauvin asphyxiated him.


how is it incomprehensible? the prosecution (!?!?) spent nearly all day today detailing the type and quantity of all the drugs and pills found within the mercedes and in the back of the patrol car, with george floyd's saliva/dna on them.



You do realize that those drugs were not inside his body when he died?


right but reasonable doubt is what it's all about for a murder charge and drug overdose is the angle that will push that. the manner in which they were scattered and the saliva found on some of the pills could suggest a hurried and failed attempt to hide the pills by consuming them. and the composition of those pills, fentanyl and methamphetamine, aligns with the toxicology findings from the medical examiner. this will likely be the scenario the defense pushes with their witnesses.
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2021 07:53     Subject: Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?
Anonymous wrote:The use of force “expert” was terrible. I can’t believe the prosecution paid him over $13,000. What a racket!


$13k is not a lot for an expert witness.
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2021 07:50     Subject: Re:Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?
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Anonymous wrote:If he took more drugs in the car, that in addition to the stress of the arrest could have caused a heart attack and/or overdose. I'm not convinced Chauvin's knee was pressing hard. Sometimes it did seem like his knee was more towards the back.

His death was caused by multiple factors. Two people at Cup Foods who sensed something wasn't right. Rookie cops who couldn't get him in the car. Hardened cops. COVID. Meth, fentanyl, cigarettes. He said he couldn't breathe before Chauvin's knee was ever on him. What Chauvin did was not right, but GF was already dying.


Man, you people will tie yourselves into all kinds of knots to excuse this POS Chauvin. He must have just been pressing his knee softly into Floyd's neck. Almost a caress even.


It's amazing to me how people will contort themselves to defend a murderer just because he wore a badge. His own police colleagues are condemning his behavior, but you're just sure that it was totally justified.


+1. It's incomprehensible how people are contorting themselves to come up with some other magical reason why George Floyd died during the 9 minutes and 29 seconds that Chauvin asphyxiated him.


how is it incomprehensible? the prosecution (!?!?) spent nearly all day today detailing the type and quantity of all the drugs and pills found within the mercedes and in the back of the patrol car, with george floyd's saliva/dna on them.



You do realize that those drugs were not inside his body when he died?
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2021 07:49     Subject: Re:Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?
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Anonymous wrote:If he took more drugs in the car, that in addition to the stress of the arrest could have caused a heart attack and/or overdose. I'm not convinced Chauvin's knee was pressing hard. Sometimes it did seem like his knee was more towards the back.

His death was caused by multiple factors. Two people at Cup Foods who sensed something wasn't right. Rookie cops who couldn't get him in the car. Hardened cops. COVID. Meth, fentanyl, cigarettes. He said he couldn't breathe before Chauvin's knee was ever on him. What Chauvin did was not right, but GF was already dying.


Man, you people will tie yourselves into all kinds of knots to excuse this POS Chauvin. He must have just been pressing his knee softly into Floyd's neck. Almost a caress even.


It's amazing to me how people will contort themselves to defend a murderer just because he wore a badge. His own police colleagues are condemning his behavior, but you're just sure that it was totally justified.


+1. It's incomprehensible how people are contorting themselves to come up with some other magical reason why George Floyd died during the 9 minutes and 29 seconds that Chauvin asphyxiated him.


how is it incomprehensible? the prosecution (!?!?) spent nearly all day today detailing the type and quantity of all the drugs and pills found within the mercedes and in the back of the patrol car, with george floyd's saliva/dna on them.

Anonymous
Post 04/08/2021 05:43     Subject: Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?
Anonymous wrote:The use of force “expert” was terrible. I can’t believe the prosecution paid him over $13,000. What a racket!


this was his first ever time testifying in a trial as an expert witness.
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2021 01:57     Subject: Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?
The use of force “expert” was terrible. I can’t believe the prosecution paid him over $13,000. What a racket!
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2021 22:14     Subject: Re:Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?
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Anonymous wrote:If he took more drugs in the car, that in addition to the stress of the arrest could have caused a heart attack and/or overdose. I'm not convinced Chauvin's knee was pressing hard. Sometimes it did seem like his knee was more towards the back.

His death was caused by multiple factors. Two people at Cup Foods who sensed something wasn't right. Rookie cops who couldn't get him in the car. Hardened cops. COVID. Meth, fentanyl, cigarettes. He said he couldn't breathe before Chauvin's knee was ever on him. What Chauvin did was not right, but GF was already dying.


Man, you people will tie yourselves into all kinds of knots to excuse this POS Chauvin. He must have just been pressing his knee softly into Floyd's neck. Almost a caress even.


It's amazing to me how people will contort themselves to defend a murderer just because he wore a badge. His own police colleagues are condemning his behavior, but you're just sure that it was totally justified.


+1. It's incomprehensible how people are contorting themselves to come up with some other magical reason why George Floyd died during the 9 minutes and 29 seconds that Chauvin asphyxiated him.


how is it incomprehensible? the prosecution (!?!?) spent nearly all day today detailing the type and quantity of all the drugs and pills found within the mercedes and in the back of the patrol car, with george floyd's saliva/dna on them.

Anonymous
Post 04/07/2021 20:56     Subject: Re:Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?
Anonymous wrote:Kids have died in RTCs when being held in a prone position for too long. So he had risk factors including opioid addiction. Cops have an obligation to recognize that as a risk factor. Chauvin REFUSED to turn him on his side.

I'm guessing the multiple experts testifying is to hammer in that point to jurors.


I do think the prosecution is generally leaning towards arguing about positional asphyxia from the prone cuffed position, at this point. Any pressure on top of that, even on the shoulders or other body parts, could contribute to difficulty breathing. When we get into the autopsy findings and medical experts, which should be tomorrow I believe, we should see them delving more into this. But the use of force experts did testify on the importance of the recovery position, and not leaving someone prone.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2021 20:50     Subject: Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?
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Anonymous wrote:Thoughts on Eric Nelson? He seems to be cutting into the Prosecution’s testimony.


Yeah, he’s doing great! I’m curious about what kind of support he has outside of court. There are TWELVE attys registered for prosecution, and at least 3 to 4 of them are in the courtroom daily. Defense is just EN. How does he do it?


The defense presumably has other attorneys helping with this case, although Nelson along with one assistant (who was identified as an assistant but I believe is an attorney as well) are present in court. Nelson has done all the “presentation” of the defense so far such as cross, objections, bringing motions. But the assistant has been present there, and sometimes they confer.

The defense for Chauvin, Lane, Keung, and Thao are attorneys from a union pool. I assume that others may be helping. But I only know about the assistant present in court for sure.

Read more here: https://www.kare11.com/article/news/verify/derek-chauvin-trial-defense-funded-by-minnesota-police-association/536-4e75fd51-f98d-453b-b241-48807092b6bd


Anonymous
Post 04/07/2021 20:02     Subject: Re:Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:If he took more drugs in the car, that in addition to the stress of the arrest could have caused a heart attack and/or overdose. I'm not convinced Chauvin's knee was pressing hard. Sometimes it did seem like his knee was more towards the back.

His death was caused by multiple factors. Two people at Cup Foods who sensed something wasn't right. Rookie cops who couldn't get him in the car. Hardened cops. COVID. Meth, fentanyl, cigarettes. He said he couldn't breathe before Chauvin's knee was ever on him. What Chauvin did was not right, but GF was already dying.


Man, you people will tie yourselves into all kinds of knots to excuse this POS Chauvin. He must have just been pressing his knee softly into Floyd's neck. Almost a caress even.


It's amazing to me how people will contort themselves to defend a murderer just because he wore a badge. His own police colleagues are condemning his behavior, but you're just sure that it was totally justified.


+1. It's incomprehensible how people are contorting themselves to come up with some other magical reason why George Floyd died during the 9 minutes and 29 seconds that Chauvin asphyxiated him.