Anonymous
Post 06/24/2021 16:46     Subject: Re:Framing Britney Spears
Anonymous wrote:Mental illness is hard because when someone is stable and medicated they don't think they need the support that are in place helping keep them stable.
So it's a vicious cycle of getting stable not using the supports because you don't think you need them and then spiraling.

wash. rinse. repeat

+1
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2021 16:46     Subject: Framing Britney Spears
Question for all the mental health experts weighing in here who believe the conservatorship should continue: Have you seen any other instances of an adult being put under a conservatorship for over a decade when that person has been professionally successful and paying their own bills the whole time?
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2021 16:46     Subject: Framing Britney Spears
Anonymous wrote:I think she sounds scared and also like talent who has been media trained into how to generally respond. It’s very hard to basically give a deposition and she is making some rookie mistakes, which makes sense since she doesn’t like her lawyer. But I would factor that into the overall picture as well and so I can’t form an opinion whether she is significantly mentally ill or not from these tapes.


ETA Ashe is clearly reading from a script she prepared and trying to ad lib to update on real time, which is showing. But she sounds like other talent I have worked with, who were all in charge of their affairs. I certainly don’t know what’s going on but I think her testimony was very good for her.
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2021 16:45     Subject: Framing Britney Spears
Anonymous wrote:When she was on X-Factor, she seemed very "normal" and spoke in a normal way with full sentences, no stuttering, spoke very clearly, etc. Her deposition sounds like she's fighting through a fog of medication.


I think her mental illness was on display. I hurt for her, but that's the reality of her situation.
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2021 16:39     Subject: Framing Britney Spears
I think she sounds scared and also like talent who has been media trained into how to generally respond. It’s very hard to basically give a deposition and she is making some rookie mistakes, which makes sense since she doesn’t like her lawyer. But I would factor that into the overall picture as well and so I can’t form an opinion whether she is significantly mentally ill or not from these tapes.
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2021 16:00     Subject: Framing Britney Spears
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:When she was on X-Factor, she seemed very "normal" and spoke in a normal way with full sentences, no stuttering, spoke very clearly, etc. Her deposition sounds like she's fighting through a fog of medication.


She also had a lot more custody then she has now… so maybe they’re related because of HER well-being.


There will never be acceptance of her situation while her family is making millions of dollars off her being controlled to this level. If her family really cared at this point they would be in support of the court putting a third party team in place that had no vested financial interest in the conservatorship.


What about the judges that have been upholding this arrangement for all these years?
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2021 15:56     Subject: Framing Britney Spears
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:When she was on X-Factor, she seemed very "normal" and spoke in a normal way with full sentences, no stuttering, spoke very clearly, etc. Her deposition sounds like she's fighting through a fog of medication.


She also had a lot more custody then she has now… so maybe they’re related because of HER well-being.


There will never be acceptance of her situation while her family is making millions of dollars off her being controlled to this level. If her family really cared at this point they would be in support of the court putting a third party team in place that had no vested financial interest in the conservatorship.
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2021 15:38     Subject: Framing Britney Spears
Anonymous wrote:When she was on X-Factor, she seemed very "normal" and spoke in a normal way with full sentences, no stuttering, spoke very clearly, etc. Her deposition sounds like she's fighting through a fog of medication.


She also had a lot more custody then she has now… so maybe they’re related because of HER well-being.
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2021 15:35     Subject: Framing Britney Spears
Anonymous wrote:And there are people living successfully with medicated schizophrenia. I am related to one. Never thought we'd get there after years of different meds and instiuttions but then we did. It's not typical but it is possible, especially with the meds that became available starting in the 90s.

Anyways, look into the history of women being institutionalized against their will and you'll find out why it needs to be difficult for families to compel their children to get treatment, let alone enter a conservatorship. This shit should end, no matter the outcome. It's her life to do with as she wishes. If she wants to retire and eat nothing but Cheetos for the rest of her life, that's her right.


I don’t think the question is Cheetos or conservatorship….
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2021 15:31     Subject: Framing Britney Spears
When she was on X-Factor, she seemed very "normal" and spoke in a normal way with full sentences, no stuttering, spoke very clearly, etc. Her deposition sounds like she's fighting through a fog of medication.
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2021 15:04     Subject: Framing Britney Spears
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Britney and her boyfriend have been together for 5 years. He's put up with a lot of BS in 5 years. Do you really think this is some long game con for him trying to get her money?


Why not? He just turned 27, he has plenty of time. He will not let the cash cow go so easily. There are a lot of money at stake. What is his job again?


Exactly. He is definitely in it for the money and maybe fame. He probably is able to live a separate life on the side. I do not believe he loves her for whom she is.
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2021 14:54     Subject: Re:Framing Britney Spears
Mental illness is hard because when someone is stable and medicated they don't think they need the support that are in place helping keep them stable.
So it's a vicious cycle of getting stable not using the supports because you don't think you need them and then spiraling.

wash. rinse. repeat
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2021 14:50     Subject: Framing Britney Spears
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Britney and her boyfriend have been together for 5 years. He's put up with a lot of BS in 5 years. Do you really think this is some long game con for him trying to get her money?


Yeah maybe.

But that's not the question anyone should be answering. It's whether or not she is mentally unfit enough to have a conservatorship for over a decade. This is INCREDIBLY unusual and very controlling.


Most people with mental illness have conservatorships for the entirety of their adulthood


This is false.



No it's not. I work with individuals with mental health in the court system this is literally my job. Do some people with minor mental health issues get control back of their money and Life choices? yes; but people with severe mental illness that is only stabilized through medical intervention and those who have had multiple relapses the odds of them getting conservatorship back in their adulthood for any meaningful amount of time is nil
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2021 14:39     Subject: Framing Britney Spears
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Britney and her boyfriend have been together for 5 years. He's put up with a lot of BS in 5 years. Do you really think this is some long game con for him trying to get her money?


Yeah maybe.

But that's not the question anyone should be answering. It's whether or not she is mentally unfit enough to have a conservatorship for over a decade. This is INCREDIBLY unusual and very controlling.


Most people with mental illness have conservatorships for the entirety of their adulthood


This is false.
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2021 14:31     Subject: Framing Britney Spears
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Britney and her boyfriend have been together for 5 years. He's put up with a lot of BS in 5 years. Do you really think this is some long game con for him trying to get her money?


Yeah maybe.

But that's not the question anyone should be answering. It's whether or not she is mentally unfit enough to have a conservatorship for over a decade. This is INCREDIBLY unusual and very controlling.


Most people with mental illness have conservatorships for the entirety of their adulthood