Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's back up - what is everyone's fear? What does everyone consider to be a path of destruction in regards to boundary changes? What do you think is going to happen?

Does everyone think your school that has FARMS < 10% will suddenly become a school with FARMS > 50%?

Or are you scared that your school's FARM rates will be about 25%

Give us numbers - tell us exactly what you fear.

-Signed, a white, high-income parent in the RM cluster who has no plans to move and just doesn't understand all this fear.

Everyone's fear is that there's only so much good stuff to go around, so they need to make sure that their kids get it. Opportunity hoarding.

I'm an Asian American high income parent in the RM cluster, and I don't get the "the sky is falling" fear on this forum, either. But maybe that's because we -- the ^PP and I -- already live in a cluster that has a 20%ish FARMs rate, and we have no plans to move out of the cluster because of the consultants that the BOE is hiring to look at a better way to draw boundaries. Maybe the W parents think RM cluster already has a too high FARMs rate so that's why we don't care about the study?

Is it only the W parents that seem to have this "the sky is falling" irrational fear?

I don’t think it’s the W parents. I think it’s the Clarksburg/NW parents who may get rezoned to Seneca Valley. But maybe I’m wrong ... could be W parents too. They’re a popular target here.

Anonymous wrote:Why is being poor an excuse for doing poorly? Many Asian immigrants are poor yet often do very well in school. My dad grew up dirty poor and got admitted to Harvard law schoo but didn’t go because he was dirt poor and first person on his smile to even graduate high school.

Who said it was an excuse? It's like explaining that people often behave badly when they haven't had enough sleep, and then you asking, Why is not getting enough sleep an excuse for behaving badly?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's back up - what is everyone's fear? What does everyone consider to be a path of destruction in regards to boundary changes? What do you think is going to happen?

Does everyone think your school that has FARMS < 10% will suddenly become a school with FARMS > 50%?

Or are you scared that your school's FARM rates will be about 25%

Give us numbers - tell us exactly what you fear.

-Signed, a white, high-income parent in the RM cluster who has no plans to move and just doesn't understand all this fear.

Everyone's fear is that there's only so much good stuff to go around, so they need to make sure that their kids get it. Opportunity hoarding.

I'm an Asian American high income parent in the RM cluster, and I don't get the "the sky is falling" fear on this forum, either. But maybe that's because we -- the ^PP and I -- already live in a cluster that has a 20%ish FARMs rate, and we have no plans to move out of the cluster because of the consultants that the BOE is hiring to look at a better way to draw boundaries. Maybe the W parents think RM cluster already has a too high FARMs rate so that's why we don't care about the study?

Is it only the W parents that seem to have this "the sky is falling" irrational fear?

I'm the poster you quoted. Yep - that's why I posted my question about what exactly people are scared of. I do understand being scared of going from a FARMS < 10% rate to a school whose FARMS rate > 50%. But that is not likely to happen. Are they scared of being like an RM where the rates are around 25% Because if that is the case, we are here to tell you there is nothing to be scared of in that situation.

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So actually, when you say "school performance", you don't mean "student performance from that school", you mean "average school test scores,"

Test scores are an objective way of telling student performance. They are not exact the same but in this case I don't see why you have to distinguish them

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Will your kid get lower test scores if your kid goes to a school with lower average school test scores? And, if so, then why wouldn't it work the other way - a kid will get higher test scores if the kid goes to a school with higher average school test scores?

(1). Whether a kid will perform worse by going to a school with lower average performance? I don't know. But as I said, many parents do care if their kids are among good performers, for various reasons.
(2). "why wouldn't it work the other way - a kid will get higher test scores if the kid goes to a school with higher average school test scores?"
why ask me? did I say it would not work the other way? I think I was suggesting this would be "sacrifice one group for the good of another". It may work the other way, but that is not the point. The point is that people are ignoring (1).

Family, not smile

Anonymous wrote:Why is being poor an excuse for doing poorly? Many Asian immigrants are poor yet often do very well in school. My dad grew up dirty poor and got admitted to Harvard law schoo but didn’t go because he was dirt poor and first person on his smile to even graduate high school.

where on this thread did someone say it was an excuse. people have said there is a correlation.

Why is being poor an excuse for doing poorly? Many Asian immigrants are poor yet often do very well in school. My dad grew up dirty poor and got admitted to Harvard law schoo but didn’t go because he was dirt poor and first person on his smile to even graduate high school.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's back up - what is everyone's fear? What does everyone consider to be a path of destruction in regards to boundary changes? What do you think is going to happen?

Does everyone think your school that has FARMS < 10% will suddenly become a school with FARMS > 50%?

Or are you scared that your school's FARM rates will be about 25%

Give us numbers - tell us exactly what you fear.

-Signed, a white, high-income parent in the RM cluster who has no plans to move and just doesn't understand all this fear.

Everyone's fear is that there's only so much good stuff to go around, so they need to make sure that their kids get it. Opportunity hoarding.

I'm an Asian American high income parent in the RM cluster, and I don't get the "the sky is falling" fear on this forum, either. But maybe that's because we -- the ^PP and I -- already live in a cluster that has a 20%ish FARMs rate, and we have no plans to move out of the cluster because of the consultants that the BOE is hiring to look at a better way to draw boundaries. Maybe the W parents think RM cluster already has a too high FARMs rate so that's why we don't care about the study?

Is it only the W parents that seem to have this "the sky is falling" irrational fear?

Anonymous wrote:Solutions

Mandatory pre-natal parenting classes
Home visits if income is at the FARMS level or below
An end to social promotion. If a kid can't read by the end of second grade you are just setting them up for failure

These gaps need to be addressed early by the time folks enter kindergarten it is almost too late and by middle school it really is

Mandatory prenatal parenting classes and home visits for everybody, right? Rich and poor alike?

Anonymous wrote:Let's back up - what is everyone's fear? What does everyone consider to be a path of destruction in regards to boundary changes? What do you think is going to happen?

Does everyone think your school that has FARMS < 10% will suddenly become a school with FARMS > 50%?

Or are you scared that your school's FARM rates will be about 25%

Give us numbers - tell us exactly what you fear.

-Signed, a white, high-income parent in the RM cluster who has no plans to move and just doesn't understand all this fear.

Everyone's fear is that there's only so much good stuff to go around, so they need to make sure that their kids get it. Opportunity hoarding.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There are two ways to reduce a gap. Were the non poor students growth (points) stunted to make it seem like the gap was reduced. Perhaps if the non-poor students were not made to sit in the same classrooms as these poor students, they would’ve gained more points. Stunting any group of students growth to show some fake progress is wrong. These are kids not lab rats.

Please read the study. Here it is: https://tcf.org/assets/downloads/tcf-Schwartz.pdf

C'mon you know people won't read that doc.

I'm going to read it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There are two ways to reduce a gap. Were the non poor students growth (points) stunted to make it seem like the gap was reduced. Perhaps if the non-poor students were not made to sit in the same classrooms as these poor students, they would’ve gained more points. Stunting any group of students growth to show some fake progress is wrong. These are kids not lab rats.

Please read the study. Here it is: https://tcf.org/assets/downloads/tcf-Schwartz.pdf

C'mon you know people won't read that doc.

Are the teachers to blame for achievement gaps?

Solutions

Mandatory pre-natal parenting classes
Home visits if income is at the FARMS level or below
An end to social promotion. If a kid can't read by the end of second grade you are just setting them up for failure

These gaps need to be addressed early by the time folks enter kindergarten it is almost too late and by middle school it really is

Let's back up - what is everyone's fear? What does everyone consider to be a path of destruction in regards to boundary changes? What do you think is going to happen?

Does everyone think your school that has FARMS < 10% will suddenly become a school with FARMS > 50%?

Or are you scared that your school's FARM rates will be about 25%

Give us numbers - tell us exactly what you fear.

-Signed, a white, high-income parent in the RM cluster who has no plans to move and just doesn't understand all this fear.