Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just end feeder rights. That should allow Deal’s and Wilson’s enrollments to stabilize. It will also focus needed attention on schools EOTP. A win-win.
You will loose diversity. As housing increases in Ward 3 you will see a less diverse area. This will sound bad but I will say it. Wilson and Deal will go from have the number 1 athletic programs to being last. If you think I am exaggerating go to a basketball and football game.
Honestly, who cares. I'd wager that in-boundary parents wouldn't really mind if Wilson were to lose every darn football game henceforth in a less diverse area if the academics were to improve by leaps and bounds. We need strong public schools to afford to stay in the city while ensuring that our children have a bright future. The City needs to prioritize creating neighborhood high schools most in-boundary parents are excited about, vs. cramming droves of OOB students into the one by-right DCPS HS most IB parents will use.
+ 100
But if most DCPS kids are from disadvantaged background--77%, based on recent data--why should they cater to one (albeit growing) demographic? Even on its face, that just seems like a bad idea. I'd imagine this is the perspective from which DCPS is operating--i.e., how to best serve the majority.
https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/DCPS%20Fast%20Facts%202017-18.pdf
Sorry but folks EOTP have to start investing their time, sweat equity and modest charitable giving in their area schools, rather than continuing to expect to freeride on the efforts of others.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just end feeder rights. That should allow Deal’s and Wilson’s enrollments to stabilize. It will also focus needed attention on schools EOTP. A win-win.
You will loose diversity. As housing increases in Ward 3 you will see a less diverse area. This will sound bad but I will say it. Wilson and Deal will go from have the number 1 athletic programs to being last. If you think I am exaggerating go to a basketball and football game.
Honestly, who cares. I'd wager that in-boundary parents wouldn't really mind if Wilson were to lose every darn football game henceforth in a less diverse area if the academics were to improve by leaps and bounds. We need strong public schools to afford to stay in the city while ensuring that our children have a bright future. The City needs to prioritize creating neighborhood high schools most in-boundary parents are excited about, vs. cramming droves of OOB students into the one by-right DCPS HS most IB parents will use.
+ 100
But if most DCPS kids are from disadvantaged background--77%, based on recent data--why should they cater to one (albeit growing) demographic? Even on its face, that just seems like a bad idea. I'd imagine this is the perspective from which DCPS is operating--i.e., how to best serve the majority.
https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/DCPS%20Fast%20Facts%202017-18.pdf
Totally disagree, as a low-income minority who grew up in NYC and attended high-powered neighborhood schools (in Queens). You sound like a white bleeding heart, PP. In NYC, few school system leaders have been troubled by "bad ideas" like GT programs and prioritizing high-octane academics. They've understood that one good way to serve the majority is to keep as many affluent and ambitious parents in the system as possible. I was darn lucky that the NYC public schools catered to advanced students across the board, regardless of background. My cousins in Chicago, who attended Michelle Obama's alma mater, had similar experiences in school.
DCPS is simply poorly run and low-ambition by comparison. Voters should demand more.
PP, I'm black. I'm not opposed to programs like G&T; I benefited from these myself. I was only calling out the somewhat myopic focus on their own interests that a few WOTP posters here seem to have. Note several PPs who've essentially said here and in the other similar thread that they don't care at all about diversity, and simply want their kids in a high-performing (affluent, mostly white) cohort. I am saying that DCPS presumably does not share their vision re: the best way forward for DCPS.
I would actually love to see more options for high-achieving kids of all backgrounds, especially on the elementary level. However, DCPS must balance the needs of the majority too. I'd imagine anything that looks like it's catering to the former and/or increasing segregation won't have legs.
1) That’s not what they said. You added the “affluent, white” part. They want the focus on academic quality. Diversity for diversity’s sake — especially if it compromises academic quality—is folly.
2) That’s precisely the point made above — that DC shies away from serving high-achieving kids due to a fear of optics, even if the substance would be fundamentally sound.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just end feeder rights. That should allow Deal’s and Wilson’s enrollments to stabilize. It will also focus needed attention on schools EOTP. A win-win.
You will loose diversity. As housing increases in Ward 3 you will see a less diverse area. This will sound bad but I will say it. Wilson and Deal will go from have the number 1 athletic programs to being last. If you think I am exaggerating go to a basketball and football game.
Honestly, who cares. I'd wager that in-boundary parents wouldn't really mind if Wilson were to lose every darn football game henceforth in a less diverse area if the academics were to improve by leaps and bounds. We need strong public schools to afford to stay in the city while ensuring that our children have a bright future. The City needs to prioritize creating neighborhood high schools most in-boundary parents are excited about, vs. cramming droves of OOB students into the one by-right DCPS HS most IB parents will use.
+ 100
But if most DCPS kids are from disadvantaged background--77%, based on recent data--why should they cater to one (albeit growing) demographic? Even on its face, that just seems like a bad idea. I'd imagine this is the perspective from which DCPS is operating--i.e., how to best serve the majority.
https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/DCPS%20Fast%20Facts%202017-18.pdf
Totally disagree, as a low-income minority who grew up in NYC and attended high-powered neighborhood schools (in Queens). You sound like a white bleeding heart, PP. In NYC, few school system leaders have been troubled by "bad ideas" like GT programs and prioritizing high-octane academics. They've understood that one good way to serve the majority is to keep as many affluent and ambitious parents in the system as possible. I was darn lucky that the NYC public schools catered to advanced students across the board, regardless of background. My cousins in Chicago, who attended Michelle Obama's alma mater, had similar experiences in school.
DCPS is simply poorly run and low-ambition by comparison. Voters should demand more.
PP, I'm black. I'm not opposed to programs like G&T; I benefited from these myself. I was only calling out the somewhat myopic focus on their own interests that a few WOTP posters here seem to have. Note several PPs who've essentially said here and in the other similar thread that they don't care at all about diversity, and simply want their kids in a high-performing (affluent, mostly white) cohort. I am saying that DCPS presumably does not share their vision re: the best way forward for DCPS.
I would actually love to see more options for high-achieving kids of all backgrounds, especially on the elementary level. However, DCPS must balance the needs of the majority too. I'd imagine anything that looks like it's catering to the former and/or increasing segregation won't have legs.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just end feeder rights. That should allow Deal’s and Wilson’s enrollments to stabilize. It will also focus needed attention on schools EOTP. A win-win.
You will loose diversity. As housing increases in Ward 3 you will see a less diverse area. This will sound bad but I will say it. Wilson and Deal will go from have the number 1 athletic programs to being last. If you think I am exaggerating go to a basketball and football game.
Honestly, who cares. I'd wager that in-boundary parents wouldn't really mind if Wilson were to lose every darn football game henceforth in a less diverse area if the academics were to improve by leaps and bounds. We need strong public schools to afford to stay in the city while ensuring that our children have a bright future. The City needs to prioritize creating neighborhood high schools most in-boundary parents are excited about, vs. cramming droves of OOB students into the one by-right DCPS HS most IB parents will use.
+ 100
But if most DCPS kids are from disadvantaged background--77%, based on recent data--why should they cater to one (albeit growing) demographic? Even on its face, that just seems like a bad idea. I'd imagine this is the perspective from which DCPS is operating--i.e., how to best serve the majority.
https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/DCPS%20Fast%20Facts%202017-18.pdf
Totally disagree, as a low-income minority who grew up in NYC and attended high-powered neighborhood schools (in Queens). You sound like a white bleeding heart, PP. In NYC, few school system leaders have been troubled by "bad ideas" like GT programs and prioritizing high-octane academics. They've understood that one good way to serve the majority is to keep as many affluent and ambitious parents in the system as possible. I was darn lucky that the NYC public schools catered to advanced students across the board, regardless of background. My cousins in Chicago, who attended Michelle Obama's alma mater, had similar experiences in school.
DCPS is simply poorly run and low-ambition by comparison. Voters should demand more.
PP, I'm black. I'm not opposed to programs like G&T; I benefited from these myself. I was only calling out the somewhat myopic focus on their own interests that a few WOTP posters here seem to have. Note several PPs who've essentially said here and in the other similar thread that they don't care at all about diversity, and simply want their kids in a high-performing (affluent, mostly white) cohort. I am saying that DCPS presumably does not share their vision re: the best way forward for DCPS.
I would actually love to see more options for high-achieving kids of all backgrounds, especially on the elementary level. However, DCPS must balance the needs of the majority too. I'd imagine anything that looks like it's catering to the former and/or increasing segregation won't have legs.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just end feeder rights. That should allow Deal’s and Wilson’s enrollments to stabilize. It will also focus needed attention on schools EOTP. A win-win.
You will loose diversity. As housing increases in Ward 3 you will see a less diverse area. This will sound bad but I will say it. Wilson and Deal will go from have the number 1 athletic programs to being last. If you think I am exaggerating go to a basketball and football game.
Honestly, who cares. I'd wager that in-boundary parents wouldn't really mind if Wilson were to lose every darn football game henceforth in a less diverse area if the academics were to improve by leaps and bounds. We need strong public schools to afford to stay in the city while ensuring that our children have a bright future. The City needs to prioritize creating neighborhood high schools most in-boundary parents are excited about, vs. cramming droves of OOB students into the one by-right DCPS HS most IB parents will use.
+ 100
But if most DCPS kids are from disadvantaged background--77%, based on recent data--why should they cater to one (albeit growing) demographic? Even on its face, that just seems like a bad idea. I'd imagine this is the perspective from which DCPS is operating--i.e., how to best serve the majority.
https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/DCPS%20Fast%20Facts%202017-18.pdf
Totally disagree, as a low-income minority who grew up in NYC and attended high-powered neighborhood schools (in Queens). You sound like a white bleeding heart, PP. In NYC, few school system leaders have been troubled by "bad ideas" like GT programs and prioritizing high-octane academics. They've understood that one good way to serve the majority is to keep as many affluent and ambitious parents in the system as possible. I was darn lucky that the NYC public schools catered to advanced students across the board, regardless of background. My cousins in Chicago, who attended Michelle Obama's alma mater, had similar experiences in school.
DCPS is simply poorly run and low-ambition by comparison. Voters should demand more.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just end feeder rights. That should allow Deal’s and Wilson’s enrollments to stabilize. It will also focus needed attention on schools EOTP. A win-win.
You will loose diversity. As housing increases in Ward 3 you will see a less diverse area. This will sound bad but I will say it. Wilson and Deal will go from have the number 1 athletic programs to being last. If you think I am exaggerating go to a basketball and football game.
Honestly, who cares. I'd wager that in-boundary parents wouldn't really mind if Wilson were to lose every darn football game henceforth in a less diverse area if the academics were to improve by leaps and bounds. We need strong public schools to afford to stay in the city while ensuring that our children have a bright future. The City needs to prioritize creating neighborhood high schools most in-boundary parents are excited about, vs. cramming droves of OOB students into the one by-right DCPS HS most IB parents will use.
+ 100
But if most DCPS kids are from disadvantaged background--77%, based on recent data--why should they cater to one (albeit growing) demographic? Even on its face, that just seems like a bad idea. I'd imagine this is the perspective from which DCPS is operating--i.e., how to best serve the majority.
https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/DCPS%20Fast%20Facts%202017-18.pdf
Sorry but folks EOTP have to start investing their time, sweat equity and modest charitable giving in their area schools, rather than continuing to expect to freeride on the efforts of others.
Looks like while you see this in terms of non-WOTP areas not pulling their weight, DC leadership/DCPS is seeing it in terms of lifting all boats, including those of struggling communities. Some may feel that serving the majority and focusing on increasing tests scores, increasing access to a quality education, and maintaining integrated schools (since kids from highly educated families tend to do well anywhere) are appropriate goals.
Look, I think DC public schools have a long way to go--but just pointing out that their philosophy differs pretty significantly from that of a few WOTP posters here.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just end feeder rights. That should allow Deal’s and Wilson’s enrollments to stabilize. It will also focus needed attention on schools EOTP. A win-win.
You will loose diversity. As housing increases in Ward 3 you will see a less diverse area. This will sound bad but I will say it. Wilson and Deal will go from have the number 1 athletic programs to being last. If you think I am exaggerating go to a basketball and football game.
Honestly, who cares. I'd wager that in-boundary parents wouldn't really mind if Wilson were to lose every darn football game henceforth in a less diverse area if the academics were to improve by leaps and bounds. We need strong public schools to afford to stay in the city while ensuring that our children have a bright future. The City needs to prioritize creating neighborhood high schools most in-boundary parents are excited about, vs. cramming droves of OOB students into the one by-right DCPS HS most IB parents will use.
+ 100
But if most DCPS kids are from disadvantaged background--77%, based on recent data--why should they cater to one (albeit growing) demographic? Even on its face, that just seems like a bad idea. I'd imagine this is the perspective from which DCPS is operating--i.e., how to best serve the majority.
https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/DCPS%20Fast%20Facts%202017-18.pdf
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just end feeder rights. That should allow Deal’s and Wilson’s enrollments to stabilize. It will also focus needed attention on schools EOTP. A win-win.
You will loose diversity. As housing increases in Ward 3 you will see a less diverse area. This will sound bad but I will say it. Wilson and Deal will go from have the number 1 athletic programs to being last. If you think I am exaggerating go to a basketball and football game.
Honestly, who cares. I'd wager that in-boundary parents wouldn't really mind if Wilson were to lose every darn football game henceforth in a less diverse area if the academics were to improve by leaps and bounds. We need strong public schools to afford to stay in the city while ensuring that our children have a bright future. The City needs to prioritize creating neighborhood high schools most in-boundary parents are excited about, vs. cramming droves of OOB students into the one by-right DCPS HS most IB parents will use.
+ 100
But if most DCPS kids are from disadvantaged background--77%, based on recent data--why should they cater to one (albeit growing) demographic? Even on its face, that just seems like a bad idea. I'd imagine this is the perspective from which DCPS is operating--i.e., how to best serve the majority.
https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/DCPS%20Fast%20Facts%202017-18.pdf
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just end feeder rights. That should allow Deal’s and Wilson’s enrollments to stabilize. It will also focus needed attention on schools EOTP. A win-win.
You will loose diversity. As housing increases in Ward 3 you will see a less diverse area. This will sound bad but I will say it. Wilson and Deal will go from have the number 1 athletic programs to being last. If you think I am exaggerating go to a basketball and football game.
Honestly, who cares. I'd wager that in-boundary parents wouldn't really mind if Wilson were to lose every darn football game henceforth in a less diverse area if the academics were to improve by leaps and bounds. We need strong public schools to afford to stay in the city while ensuring that our children have a bright future. The City needs to prioritize creating neighborhood high schools most in-boundary parents are excited about, vs. cramming droves of OOB students into the one by-right DCPS HS most IB parents will use.
+ 100
But if most DCPS kids are from disadvantaged background--77%, based on recent data--why should they cater to one (albeit growing) demographic? Even on its face, that just seems like a bad idea. I'd imagine this is the perspective from which DCPS is operating--i.e., how to best serve the majority.
https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/DCPS%20Fast%20Facts%202017-18.pdf
Sorry but folks EOTP have to start investing their time, sweat equity and modest charitable giving in their area schools, rather than continuing to expect to freeride on the efforts of others.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Make Coolidge a test-in, city-wide IB middle and high school with non-IB right of entry track for residents of Ward 4 EOTP only. Change feeder pattern for EOTP Ward 4 schools including Shepherd to Coolidge. Takoma is in NW - why can't it be the new "Western" high school?
Why only change the feeder pattern for part of a ward? Why wouldn't all of Ward 4 go to the new school? Hmm.
Because the ward boundaries shift according to reappointionment. They have little meaning or relationship to geography, patterns of living, etc. If you ask folks in the Kafayette district - Chevy Chase Dac, etc. their orientation and affinity is with those areas WOTP, not with Ward 4 across the park.
I think most parents would rather stab themselves in the eyeball than take, e.g., Military Rd from CC, DC to Takoma - which is essentially across town, unless they were doing so for a magnet program. Whereas cutting over from Shepherd Park to Piney Branch is NBD.
Then send them south to Roosevelt or Cardozo. Plenty of room all over the rest of the city.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just end feeder rights. That should allow Deal’s and Wilson’s enrollments to stabilize. It will also focus needed attention on schools EOTP. A win-win.
You will loose diversity. As housing increases in Ward 3 you will see a less diverse area. This will sound bad but I will say it. Wilson and Deal will go from have the number 1 athletic programs to being last. If you think I am exaggerating go to a basketball and football game.
Honestly, who cares. I'd wager that in-boundary parents wouldn't really mind if Wilson were to lose every darn football game henceforth in a less diverse area if the academics were to improve by leaps and bounds. We need strong public schools to afford to stay in the city while ensuring that our children have a bright future. The City needs to prioritize creating neighborhood high schools most in-boundary parents are excited about, vs. cramming droves of OOB students into the one by-right DCPS HS most IB parents will use.
+ 100
But if most DCPS kids are from disadvantaged background--77%, based on recent data--why should they cater to one (albeit growing) demographic? Even on its face, that just seems like a bad idea. I'd imagine this is the perspective from which DCPS is operating--i.e., how to best serve the majority.
https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/DCPS%20Fast%20Facts%202017-18.pdf
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Make Coolidge a test-in, city-wide IB middle and high school with non-IB right of entry track for residents of Ward 4 EOTP only. Change feeder pattern for EOTP Ward 4 schools including Shepherd to Coolidge. Takoma is in NW - why can't it be the new "Western" high school?
Why only change the feeder pattern for part of a ward? Why wouldn't all of Ward 4 go to the new school? Hmm.
Because the ward boundaries shift according to reappointionment. They have little meaning or relationship to geography, patterns of living, etc. If you ask folks in the Kafayette district - Chevy Chase Dac, etc. their orientation and affinity is with those areas WOTP, not with Ward 4 across the park.
I think most parents would rather stab themselves in the eyeball than take, e.g., Military Rd from CC, DC to Takoma - which is essentially across town, unless they were doing so for a magnet program. Whereas cutting over from Shepherd Park to Piney Branch is NBD.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Make Coolidge a test-in, city-wide IB middle and high school with non-IB right of entry track for residents of Ward 4 EOTP only. Change feeder pattern for EOTP Ward 4 schools including Shepherd to Coolidge. Takoma is in NW - why can't it be the new "Western" high school?
Why only change the feeder pattern for part of a ward? Why wouldn't all of Ward 4 go to the new school? Hmm.
Because the ward boundaries shift according to reappointionment. They have little meaning or relationship to geography, patterns of living, etc. If you ask folks in the Kafayette district - Chevy Chase Dac, etc. their orientation and affinity is with those areas WOTP, not with Ward 4 across the park.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just end feeder rights. That should allow Deal’s and Wilson’s enrollments to stabilize. It will also focus needed attention on schools EOTP. A win-win.
You will loose diversity. As housing increases in Ward 3 you will see a less diverse area. This will sound bad but I will say it. Wilson and Deal will go from have the number 1 athletic programs to being last. If you think I am exaggerating go to a basketball and football game.
Honestly, who cares. I'd wager that in-boundary parents wouldn't really mind if Wilson were to lose every darn football game henceforth in a less diverse area if the academics were to improve by leaps and bounds. We need strong public schools to afford to stay in the city while ensuring that our children have a bright future. The City needs to prioritize creating neighborhood high schools most in-boundary parents are excited about, vs. cramming droves of OOB students into the one by-right DCPS HS most IB parents will use.
+ 100
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just end feeder rights. That should allow Deal’s and Wilson’s enrollments to stabilize. It will also focus needed attention on schools EOTP. A win-win.
You will loose diversity. As housing increases in Ward 3 you will see a less diverse area. This will sound bad but I will say it. Wilson and Deal will go from have the number 1 athletic programs to being last. If you think I am exaggerating go to a basketball and football game.
Honestly, who cares. I'd wager that in-boundary parents wouldn't really mind if Wilson were to lose every darn football game henceforth in a less diverse area if the academics were to improve by leaps and bounds. We need strong public schools to afford to stay in the city while ensuring that our children have a bright future. The City needs to prioritize creating neighborhood high schools most in-boundary parents are excited about, vs. cramming droves of OOB students into the one by-right DCPS HS most IB parents will use.