You've missed the point entirely. The question isn't who will give MCPS more funding - I agree that neither will. The issue is that Jealous has indicated support for the Kirwan commission, which would strip MCPS of significant amounts of state funding, that the county would be required to make up (with significant effects county-wide, in schools and elsewhere), while County residents' state tax dollars would be used to support schools elsewhere in the state.

Jealous is a non-starter for me, for these reasons. I'm more liberal than most, and I have no problem being used as an ATM for the rest of the state - but there are limits.

Perfectly said.

When I have mentioned this to others, they say things like "oh I dont think thats what the Kirwin commision is. That cant be" .

Well- it is!

Montgomery County residents have their heads in the sand about this one. There is so much disfunction within MCPS, a scandal every other week, and such a mess that no one is paying any attention. The MCPS supporters are too busy trying to shut down all the complaints about the curriculum, magnet admissions, overcrowding, sex abode by MCPS employees etc that they are ignoring the real funding threat. There also is deep arrogance that someone else will give them money. I don't know who they think this will be but it will be a shocking wake up call when it happens.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay, out of curiosity, are any of you who say you are voting for Jealous from anywhere other than Montgomery County?

Hogan still has a 70+% approval rating across the state, well over 80% outside of Montgomery County. The polls from as recent as last week state that those who say that they would vote for Jealous over Hogan are still under 20% (last I saw, it was around 16%) whereas those who say they would vote for Hogan over Jealous are over 40%. That's a large discrepancy to overcome. While I know this polling was done when there were other Democratic candidates and that some will move to Jealous from other Democratic candidates, prior to the primaries, Hogan still had a big lead over ALL Democratic candidates combined (totaled about 36% combined). Additionally, there are some who supported other Democratic candidates, like Baker, who will be supporting Hogan rather than Jealous.

It is up to Jealous to rally a lot of the undecided and Independents to his flag, but I think he's going to have a hard time doing that. I think it is a very hard uphill battle for Jealous.

MoCo Republican here. Voting Jealous. (1) Hogan hasn’t really done anything of significance other than parade around rural and majority white parts of MD. (2) the little he has done isn’t conservative. He exists to redistribute the state’s wealth to rural or poor white areas. My taxes are still high and increasing w/o seeing the benefits. I’m not seeing business growth across the state. Then he forces all state schools to start later with the hope of benefiting OC.

I'm a PG County Republican and I disagree. I think that Hogan has done several things of significance. He kept the state budget level while increasing spending on education and not increasing taxes or increasing the state borrowing limit. He decreased the tolls on all MD toll roads. The decrease in tolls directly put money back into the pockets of working and middle class families that often have to use those roads to commute for work. He froze the borrowing limit so that the state is not borrowing more and more. O'Malley routinely paid for his programs by increasing the annual debt limit. The level that Hogan froze the debt limit is lower than the limits that O'Malley had set more than one during his tenure. Hogan campaigned on not raising taxes. While Anthony Brown also said he would not raise taxes, O'Malley raised taxes 8 times (essentially annually) during his tenure and Anthony Brown was expected to continue many policies from O'Malley and he gave no idea where he was going to find the money to fund his increasing public costs. Either he would have to rescind his promise and raise taxes or significantly raise the debt limit and borrow more. Hogan did NOT borrow more and did not raise taxes. Hogan's XO that schools start after Labor Day seems to have had the desired effect. Looking at the 2017 annual report, page 4 shows that Tourism tax profits increased $40M between 2016 and 2017. It may not have been entirely due to the extended summer, but that certainly contributed a significant amount to the tax revenues of the state considering the anecdotal evidence of beach vendors. In addition, the tourism industry reported an increase of jobs in 2017. That also means more income taxes were collected from the additional work.

The reason that your taxes are high are that O'Malley made 40 tax increases during his 8 years in office. And increased the state debt significantly over his tenure as well. Hogan actually worked to keep your taxes plateaued, something that Jealous will not do. You want to vote for Jealous? Be prepared for your taxes to go up and watch that money go to the rest of the state because Montgomery County is the state ATM for providing money for services to the rest of the state. Wannabe-governor Jealous should be renamed Robin Hood Jealous so that Montgomery County understands why their taxes are going to go up and up and where that money will go--not back to Montgomery County.

As for business growth, Hogan has been actively working to bring Amazon HQ2 to MD including the biggest tax incentives publicly announced. He has been actively working to cut business taxes and deregulate some of MD's extremely over-bureacratic controls to lure businesses here. Job growth and commercial development have been gone up during his tenure, so more people are working and businesses here are doing better in the last four years. Business taxes are going down. He's staunched the flow of businesses out of the state. You can bet that if Jealous becomes governor, that business regulation will go up, taxes will go up and any businesses thinking of coming to MD will reconsider. Hogan has turned the state around from pushing businesses away. Jealous is going to undo all of that.

http://governor.maryland.gov/2017/01/17/governor-larry-hogan-announces-fiscal-year-2018-budget/
http://industry.visitmaryland.org/research/annual-reports/

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Anonymous wrote:

How would Jealous' support for Kirwan effect moco school funding?

Montgomery County has no avenue for school funding with either Hogan or Jealous.

Jealous and any other democrat will ALWAYS support Baltimore over Montgomery County - its a no brainer. When you compare the poverty in Baltimore with the wealth in Montgomery County, no democratic politician would ever put more funding toward Montgomery County.

Hogan and other Republicans will also never give Montgomery County any funding. Its not just that Montgomery County doesn't vote for them, its that the county is always in their face and behaves arrogantly. MCPS threw an absolute fit about the school calendar change -which like or not - other higher performing districts like Frederick and Howard didn't seem to have a problem implementing. MCPS behaves as if they are better than the counties while they only rank in the middle. MCPS has made many enemies in Annapolis over the years on all sides.

Don't vote for Jealous or Hogan thinking that more dollars will flow toward school construction in MCPS. The county is going to have figure out that one on its own.

You've missed the point entirely. The question isn't who will give MCPS more funding - I agree that neither will. The issue is that Jealous has indicated support for the Kirwan commission, which would strip MCPS of significant amounts of state funding, that the county would be required to make up (with significant effects county-wide, in schools and elsewhere), while County residents' state tax dollars would be used to support schools elsewhere in the state.

Jealous is a non-starter for me, for these reasons. I'm more liberal than most, and I have no problem being used as an ATM for the rest of the state - but there are limits.

Perfectly said.

When I have mentioned this to others, they say things like "oh I dont think thats what the Kirwin commision is. That cant be" .

Well- it is!

Anonymous wrote:

How would Jealous' support for Kirwan effect moco school funding?

Montgomery County has no avenue for school funding with either Hogan or Jealous.

Jealous and any other democrat will ALWAYS support Baltimore over Montgomery County - its a no brainer. When you compare the poverty in Baltimore with the wealth in Montgomery County, no democratic politician would ever put more funding toward Montgomery County.

Hogan and other Republicans will also never give Montgomery County any funding. Its not just that Montgomery County doesn't vote for them, its that the county is always in their face and behaves arrogantly. MCPS threw an absolute fit about the school calendar change -which like or not - other higher performing districts like Frederick and Howard didn't seem to have a problem implementing. MCPS behaves as if they are better than the counties while they only rank in the middle. MCPS has made many enemies in Annapolis over the years on all sides.

Don't vote for Jealous or Hogan thinking that more dollars will flow toward school construction in MCPS. The county is going to have figure out that one on its own.

You've missed the point entirely. The question isn't who will give MCPS more funding - I agree that neither will. The issue is that Jealous has indicated support for the Kirwan commission, which would strip MCPS of significant amounts of state funding, that the county would be required to make up (with significant effects county-wide, in schools and elsewhere), while County residents' state tax dollars would be used to support schools elsewhere in the state.

Jealous is a non-starter for me, for these reasons. I'm more liberal than most, and I have no problem being used as an ATM for the rest of the state - but there are limits.

Whomever is NOT expanding the Beltway.

Anonymous wrote:Okay, out of curiosity, are any of you who say you are voting for Jealous from anywhere other than Montgomery County?

Hogan still has a 70+% approval rating across the state, well over 80% outside of Montgomery County. The polls from as recent as last week state that those who say that they would vote for Jealous over Hogan are still under 20% (last I saw, it was around 16%) whereas those who say they would vote for Hogan over Jealous are over 40%. That's a large discrepancy to overcome. While I know this polling was done when there were other Democratic candidates and that some will move to Jealous from other Democratic candidates, prior to the primaries, Hogan still had a big lead over ALL Democratic candidates combined (totaled about 36% combined). Additionally, there are some who supported other Democratic candidates, like Baker, who will be supporting Hogan rather than Jealous.

It is up to Jealous to rally a lot of the undecided and Independents to his flag, but I think he's going to have a hard time doing that. I think it is a very hard uphill battle for Jealous.

MoCo Republican here. Voting Jealous. (1) Hogan hasn’t really done anything of significance other than parade around rural and majority white parts of MD. (2) the little he has done isn’t conservative. He exists to redistribute the state’s wealth to rural or poor white areas. My taxes are still high and increasing w/o seeing the benefits. I’m not seeing business growth across the state. Then he forces all state schools to start later with the hope of benefiting OC.

I may actually vote for Hogan - and I have never voted for a Republican in my life on either the local or federal level.

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The Kirwin commision will suggest cutting state funding to Moco and Howard county- to redistibute it to Baltimore, and PG.

Then it would be mandated that the counties make up that shortfall on a local level. Moco could lose up to 70% of its state education spending. Rushern Baker knew it, and Ike Leggett knows it.

It is a major issue not getting enough attention...

Ike Leggett didn't fight it. He was always a zealous supporter of Baltimore over Montgomery County.

He has not endorsed Jealous- precisely over this issue.

The Kirwin commision will suggest cutting state funding to Moco and Howard county- to redistibute it to Baltimore, and PG.

Then it would be mandated that the counties make up that shortfall on a local level. Moco could lose up to 70% of its state education spending. Rushern Baker knew it, and Ike Leggett knows it.

It is a major issue not getting enough attention...

Ike Leggett didn't fight it. He was always a zealous supporter of Baltimore over Montgomery County.

Anonymous wrote:How would Jealous' support for Kirwan effect moco school funding?

The Kirwin commision will suggest cutting state funding to Moco and Howard county- to redistibute it to Baltimore, and PG.

Then it would be mandated that the counties make up that shortfall on a local level. Moco could lose up to 70% of its state education spending. Rushern Baker knew it, and Ike Leggett knows it.

It is a major issue not getting enough attention...

Anonymous wrote:

How would Jealous' support for Kirwan effect moco school funding?

Montgomery County has no avenue for school funding with either Hogan or Jealous.

Jealous and any other democrat will ALWAYS support Baltimore over Montgomery County - its a no brainer. When you compare the poverty in Baltimore with the wealth in Montgomery County, no democratic politician would ever put more funding toward Montgomery County.

Hogan and other Republicans will also never give Montgomery County any funding. Its not just that Montgomery County doesn't vote for them, its that the county is always in their face and behaves arrogantly. MCPS threw an absolute fit about the school calendar change -which like or not - other higher performing districts like Frederick and Howard didn't seem to have a problem implementing. MCPS behaves as if they are better than the counties while they only rank in the middle. MCPS has made many enemies in Annapolis over the years on all sides.

Don't vote for Jealous or Hogan thinking that more dollars will flow toward school construction in MCPS. The county is going to have figure out that one on its own.

+1
MCPS dig their own grave. They will be ignored by both Jealous and Hogan. When you screw people over you can't be surprise when they return the favor.

How would Jealous' support for Kirwan effect moco school funding?

Montgomery County has no avenue for school funding with either Hogan or Jealous.

Jealous and any other democrat will ALWAYS support Baltimore over Montgomery County - its a no brainer. When you compare the poverty in Baltimore with the wealth in Montgomery County, no democratic politician would ever put more funding toward Montgomery County.

Hogan and other Republicans will also never give Montgomery County any funding. Its not just that Montgomery County doesn't vote for them, its that the county is always in their face and behaves arrogantly. MCPS threw an absolute fit about the school calendar change -which like or not - other higher performing districts like Frederick and Howard didn't seem to have a problem implementing. MCPS behaves as if they are better than the counties while they only rank in the middle. MCPS has made many enemies in Annapolis over the years on all sides.

Don't vote for Jealous or Hogan thinking that more dollars will flow toward school construction in MCPS. The county is going to have figure out that one on its own.

How would Jealous' support for Kirwan effect moco school funding?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And Hogan insults most of the state

https://twitter.com/American_Bridge/status/1033012693203136512

It is, obviously, a joke. The grasping at straws for a misstep is getting sad.

It's desperation.

PP - Do you even know the context of the clip? He's not insulting anyone. He was opening his campaign office in Cumberland, and was thanking state senator George Edwards and the local legislative delegation for their hard work in representing Allegany and Garrett counties. “Senator Edwards and the entire delegation that represents you in Annapolis does an incredible job, said Hogan. “I wish every county was like the Western Maryland counties...they have elected such great representatives in every single district.” In that context, why would he applaud most of the rest of the state that keeps sending idiots to Annapolis?

Oh really?

You got all that from one off the cuff remark? You must be a clairvoyant.

No, I was there. But don't be bothered with a few facts.

Can Hogan reduce beltway traffic without using extra land to do it? I'd be OK with that, but not demolishing trees and houses to accomplish it