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Anonymous wrote:In our case, DC clearly had the IQ scores (99 percentile), yet school submitted horrible work samples (basic worksheets). It was so bad you have to wonder if it was intentional. GBRS was also much lower than teacher recommended and teacher was shocked he didn't get in. Yet, DC has been recognized for his work (creative writing, won Art award, etc). I just don't get it.

Wait . . . you submitted a WISC in 99% and were rejected? What in the world is going on???

Right! My appeal surely won't work. DD got a FSIQ of 130. I think that's 98%. We were going to appeal with that but then I saw this.

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I posted this last year, but I would be willing to bet at least a few parents in FCPS have filed lawsuits, or strongly threatened to do so, over rejections when a kid has scores above the cutoff.

Interesting... guess that is why they make such a point to say it isn't based on one score but if you have a child identified as gifted by an IQ test / psychologist, I don't see how you counter that, especially if they ever had to show they data on scores for children that were admitted with much lower scores.

Bingo. It's not based on test scores, it's holistic.

That's awfully convenient, isn't it? They can reject any child for any reason, and then claim that the process is holistic. After a point, there need to be some standards or some criteria governing the decision. One would think that if a licensed psychologist tests a child and declares the child as gifted, then that should at the very least be enough to access a program that encompasses an awful lot of non gifted children.

Anonymous wrote:In our case, DC clearly had the IQ scores (99 percentile), yet school submitted horrible work samples (basic worksheets). It was so bad you have to wonder if it was intentional. GBRS was also much lower than teacher recommended and teacher was shocked he didn't get in. Yet, DC has been recognized for his work (creative writing, won Art award, etc). I just don't get it.

Wait . . . you submitted a WISC in 99% and were rejected? What in the world is going on???

In our case, DC clearly had the IQ scores (99 percentile), yet school submitted horrible work samples (basic worksheets). It was so bad you have to wonder if it was intentional. GBRS was also much lower than teacher recommended and teacher was shocked he didn't get in. Yet, DC has been recognized for his work (creative writing, won Art award, etc). I just don't get it.

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Anonymous wrote:^ In the state of Virginia, school divisions are required to identify gifted children and provide gifted services. FCPS uses AAP to meet the state gifted mandate. Thus, it ought to include all of the children who are gifted.

FCPS somewhat gets around this by deciding that a kid isn't gifted unless the AAP committee says so. It's hard to argue, however, that a child in the 99th percentile on an individual IQ test would not be gifted.

People should sue. FCPS is not meeting it's mandate if it leaves out gifted kids, i.e. kids in 98% and up.

Given the WISCs above FSIQ of 133 that didn't get in, I imagine it is only a matter of time until someone does.

I posted this last year, but I would be willing to bet at least a few parents in FCPS have filed lawsuits, or strongly threatened to do so, over rejections when a kid has scores above the cutoff.

Interesting... guess that is why they make such a point to say it isn't based on one score but if you have a child identified as gifted by an IQ test / psychologist, I don't see how you counter that, especially if they ever had to show they data on scores for children that were admitted with much lower scores.

Bingo. It's not based on test scores, it's holistic.

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Anonymous wrote:^ In the state of Virginia, school divisions are required to identify gifted children and provide gifted services. FCPS uses AAP to meet the state gifted mandate. Thus, it ought to include all of the children who are gifted.

FCPS somewhat gets around this by deciding that a kid isn't gifted unless the AAP committee says so. It's hard to argue, however, that a child in the 99th percentile on an individual IQ test would not be gifted.

People should sue. FCPS is not meeting it's mandate if it leaves out gifted kids, i.e. kids in 98% and up.

Given the WISCs above FSIQ of 133 that didn't get in, I imagine it is only a matter of time until someone does.

I posted this last year, but I would be willing to bet at least a few parents in FCPS have filed lawsuits, or strongly threatened to do so, over rejections when a kid has scores above the cutoff.

Interesting... guess that is why they make such a point to say it isn't based on one score but if you have a child identified as gifted by an IQ test / psychologist, I don't see how you counter that, especially if they ever had to show they data on scores for children that were admitted with much lower scores.

Bingo. It's not based on test scores, it's holistic.

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Anonymous wrote:^ In the state of Virginia, school divisions are required to identify gifted children and provide gifted services. FCPS uses AAP to meet the state gifted mandate. Thus, it ought to include all of the children who are gifted.

FCPS somewhat gets around this by deciding that a kid isn't gifted unless the AAP committee says so. It's hard to argue, however, that a child in the 99th percentile on an individual IQ test would not be gifted.

People should sue. FCPS is not meeting it's mandate if it leaves out gifted kids, i.e. kids in 98% and up.

Given the WISCs above FSIQ of 133 that didn't get in, I imagine it is only a matter of time until someone does.

I posted this last year, but I would be willing to bet at least a few parents in FCPS have filed lawsuits, or strongly threatened to do so, over rejections when a kid has scores above the cutoff.

Interesting... guess that is why they make such a point to say it isn't based on one score but if you have a child identified as gifted by an IQ test / psychologist, I don't see how you counter that, especially if they ever had to show they data on scores for children that were admitted with much lower scores.

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Anonymous wrote:^ In the state of Virginia, school divisions are required to identify gifted children and provide gifted services. FCPS uses AAP to meet the state gifted mandate. Thus, it ought to include all of the children who are gifted.

FCPS somewhat gets around this by deciding that a kid isn't gifted unless the AAP committee says so. It's hard to argue, however, that a child in the 99th percentile on an individual IQ test would not be gifted.

People should sue. FCPS is not meeting it's mandate if it leaves out gifted kids, i.e. kids in 98% and up.

Given the WISCs above FSIQ of 133 that didn't get in, I imagine it is only a matter of time until someone does.

I posted this last year, but I would be willing to bet at least a few parents in FCPS have filed lawsuits, or strongly threatened to do so, over rejections when a kid has scores above the cutoff.

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NNAT 105
COGAT 112

Without additional information like, WISC score 140....this is a TROLL post.

This. The post is clearly to upset people

Maybe a post from a psychologist trying to push WISC testing

DIANA!

^^ Commenting on your own posts suggests Troll^^

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Anonymous wrote:^ In the state of Virginia, school divisions are required to identify gifted children and provide gifted services. FCPS uses AAP to meet the state gifted mandate. Thus, it ought to include all of the children who are gifted.

FCPS somewhat gets around this by deciding that a kid isn't gifted unless the AAP committee says so. It's hard to argue, however, that a child in the 99th percentile on an individual IQ test would not be gifted.

People should sue. FCPS is not meeting it's mandate if it leaves out gifted kids, i.e. kids in 98% and up.

Given the WISCs above FSIQ of 133 that didn't get in, I imagine it is only a matter of time until someone does.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IN

NNAT 105
COGAT 112

Without additional information like, WISC score 140....this is a TROLL post.

This. The post is clearly to upset people

Maybe a post from a psychologist trying to push WISC testing

DIANA!

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119 Cogat
110 NNAT

I plan to have her retake Cogat at GMU now for the appeal. I think she'll do much better but want to know if anyone has ever heard of any success stories with appealing? If not then will try again next year.
Parent provided samples were only art and sports related. Now I know it makes it a weak package but this was my first time... [/quote]

Unless the GBRS is very high, she is unlikely to get in. I'm not sure that I would even bother with paying for a WISC without a 15 or 16 GBRS. [/quote]

This is incorrect... Your success with appeal will rest on the WISC...your DC would likely need 130 or better or super high subscores and high 120s WISC.[/quote]

We are doing a WISC and got a GBRS of 13.

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Anonymous wrote:15s and 16s are pretty rare. 12, 13, and 14 seem the most common "in" GBRS.

I will be curious to know if center school gives out 15/16. My observation has been non center school tends to be liberal about it.

This section typically is where child will loose 1-2 points.

Exceptional Motivation to Succeed
Demonstrates ability to lead large and/or small groups
Meets exceptional personal and/or academic challenges
Explores, researches, questions topics, ideas, issues independently
Is poised with adults and engages them in adult conversations
Exhibits a strong sense of loyalty and responsibility
Demonstrates exceptional ability to adapt to new experiences
Strives to achieve high standards especially in areas of strength and/or interest
Shows initiative, self-direction, and/or high level of confidence

We are at a center school and FC got a 13, with a 2 in Exceptional Motivation to Succeed.

At a center school. One of mine got a 16 and one for a 15. Only 2 kids from the class were admitted and only 12 from all classes were admitted.

DC got a 16 and is in a center school. Have no idea how other kids in DC's class did.

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119 Cogat
110 NNAT

I plan to have her retake Cogat at GMU now for the appeal. I think she'll do much better but want to know if anyone has ever heard of any success stories with appealing? If not then will try again next year.
Parent provided samples were only art and sports related. Now I know it makes it a weak package but this was my first time... [/quote]

Unless the GBRS is very high, she is unlikely to get in. I'm not sure that I would even bother with paying for a WISC without a 15 or 16 GBRS. [/quote]

This is incorrect... Your success with appeal will rest on the WISC...your DC would likely need 130 or better or super high subscores and high 120s WISC.

Anonymous wrote:You won’t be able to get a CogAT at GMU before the appeal deadline. Yes, many, many people succeed on appeal but I think in your case you would need a WISC over 130 to have a chance.

Many thanks, will consider it.