Anonymous wrote:Carole is insufferable. I do not like that woman, and she looks so silly trying to look like she is 22. She has to be pushing 50 so needs to start looking like it. I don't think she is the storied journalist she is in her mind.

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I think Carole’s take on the show is I’m above all this and all of you and I’m just dipping into this to have the experience and I’m going to observe and stay above the fray. Because really I’m a journalist/author/serious person, not a reality tv star. Let me remind you 100 times about how I used to have real jobs. A long, long time ago.

I thought she was refreshing in the beginning. Now I’m over her. She completely lacks self-awareness.

+1. Agreed.

I’m the PP who asked if this is her true self and I agree with this assessment. And she stopped working for ABC ~15 years ago. She is no longer a journalist

She's also a novelist. "What Remains" is phenomenal. I didn't read "Widow's Guide," but it was relatively recent. Isn't it pretty typical for writers to publish books at a slow pace?

Plus, what's been on her resume is very impressive. And she's very wealthy. Why can't she do as she pleases? Why can't she do projects that interest her as they come up, and enjoy her life?

She can do whatever she wants. But her journalism career was a long time ago. For a lack of expression, her work experience is no longer relevant. It's like high school football player who keeps talking about his glory days.

Now she's a reality tv star like the rest of them.

OK, I'm a former journalist whose byline appeared in the Washington Post more than 10 years ago. So I don't claim to be a journalist, because my highest pinnacle was a story about condo flipping in WaPo.

Carole is an Emmy and Peabody Award-winning journalist who has traveled the globe to cover stories in war zones. She gets to call herself a journalist for life. That's big time. That's ABC, that's network news in prime time. She can dine out on that for as long as she wants to, and no current or former member of the SPJ will ever say she's not a journalist.

It's like telling someone who hasn't practiced medicine in 10 years that he's no longer a doctor, when he used to be a heart surgeon.

Yeah, I just don't really agree with this. I think it's a bit pathetic. My spouse founded a company and was the CEO and sold it for many millions about 10 years ago. He doesn't walk around currently referring to himself as a CEO or talking about it all the time. It's the past.

Or the surgeon comparison. No discredit to journalists, but being a heart surgeon is a good deal more difficult and challenging. If I met a heart surgeon who hadn't practiced in over a decade and yet talked about it constantly and referred to it as a present-day career, I would think that person was disconnected from reality.

Well if someone went on national television and said he had no career and implied that he was basically good for nothing/had no business acumen, he might well talk about his experience as a successful CEO, right?

Heart surgery, of course, is more difficult than journalism, but it takes a lot of skill, hard work, perseverance and talent to be a journalist. And to be on the level of Emmy-level nightly network news is truly rare and truly exceptional.

She said Carole has no career. Present tense. She didn’t cast further aspersions. I think it’s harsh, but true.

Also she talks about the journalist stuff incessantly well before this.

I do agree what she did was rare and not easy.

She does talk about it incessantly, and does tend to put a bit of a spin on it. Not that they aren't great achievements, but the Emmys she won aren't her own personal ones--she was part of a team. It's like an actress who wins an Emmy for "Best Drama on TV", rather than "Best Actress on Evening Drama". Bit of a difference.

I'm also rather tired of her talking about her late husband, although it pales in comparison to Dorinda (almost called her Dorit--hate both of them). She was married to him for 4 years, and he's been dead for almost twenty. Why does she still have his name at this point? Oh, right, because the Radziwill name is recognizable and important, unlike DiFalco which probably just recalls her working class roots in upstate NY, which she is clearly trying to distance herself from.

At least know what you're talking about. The first half of "What Remains" is about her growing up in upstate New York and her family. She writes about them in glowing, loving terms and is obviously proud of her roots. Carole also writes in the second half of the book about the parts of being part of the Radziwill clan/wealth and glamour that she was never comfortable with. Now, she talks about being a Girl Scout and a Brownie and having rope swings and campfire experience on the show all the time.

Interesting, because the inteview I heard with her certainly was anything but glowing about her roots.

Why, exactly, do you feel the need to be such a bitch about it? You're just a bit too invested in something that has nothing do with you.

Anonymous wrote:I think the PP who said that Carole is probably furious that Bethenny didn't invite her to PR is right.

Carole thinks of herself as both an incredible well respected journalist and also someone in high society with great connections. If she were either of those, Bethenny would have probably loved to have taken her on the trip. Unfortunately she's actually neither of those, and so Bethenny wasn't that interested in having her there.

I think Carole saw that as pretty insulting, even though Bethenny was exactly right. Sometimes the truth hurts.

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I think Carole’s take on the show is I’m above all this and all of you and I’m just dipping into this to have the experience and I’m going to observe and stay above the fray. Because really I’m a journalist/author/serious person, not a reality tv star. Let me remind you 100 times about how I used to have real jobs. A long, long time ago.

I thought she was refreshing in the beginning. Now I’m over her. She completely lacks self-awareness.

+1. Agreed.

I’m the PP who asked if this is her true self and I agree with this assessment. And she stopped working for ABC ~15 years ago. She is no longer a journalist

She's also a novelist. "What Remains" is phenomenal. I didn't read "Widow's Guide," but it was relatively recent. Isn't it pretty typical for writers to publish books at a slow pace?

Plus, what's been on her resume is very impressive. And she's very wealthy. Why can't she do as she pleases? Why can't she do projects that interest her as they come up, and enjoy her life?

She can do whatever she wants. But her journalism career was a long time ago. For a lack of expression, her work experience is no longer relevant. It's like high school football player who keeps talking about his glory days.

Now she's a reality tv star like the rest of them.

OK, I'm a former journalist whose byline appeared in the Washington Post more than 10 years ago. So I don't claim to be a journalist, because my highest pinnacle was a story about condo flipping in WaPo.

Carole is an Emmy and Peabody Award-winning journalist who has traveled the globe to cover stories in war zones. She gets to call herself a journalist for life. That's big time. That's ABC, that's network news in prime time. She can dine out on that for as long as she wants to, and no current or former member of the SPJ will ever say she's not a journalist.

It's like telling someone who hasn't practiced medicine in 10 years that he's no longer a doctor, when he used to be a heart surgeon.

Yeah, I just don't really agree with this. I think it's a bit pathetic. My spouse founded a company and was the CEO and sold it for many millions about 10 years ago. He doesn't walk around currently referring to himself as a CEO or talking about it all the time. It's the past.

Or the surgeon comparison. No discredit to journalists, but being a heart surgeon is a good deal more difficult and challenging. If I met a heart surgeon who hadn't practiced in over a decade and yet talked about it constantly and referred to it as a present-day career, I would think that person was disconnected from reality.

Well if someone went on national television and said he had no career and implied that he was basically good for nothing/had no business acumen, he might well talk about his experience as a successful CEO, right?

Heart surgery, of course, is more difficult than journalism, but it takes a lot of skill, hard work, perseverance and talent to be a journalist. And to be on the level of Emmy-level nightly network news is truly rare and truly exceptional.

She said Carole has no career. Present tense. She didn’t cast further aspersions. I think it’s harsh, but true.

Also she talks about the journalist stuff incessantly well before this.

I do agree what she did was rare and not easy.

She does talk about it incessantly, and does tend to put a bit of a spin on it. Not that they aren't great achievements, but the Emmys she won aren't her own personal ones--she was part of a team. It's like an actress who wins an Emmy for "Best Drama on TV", rather than "Best Actress on Evening Drama". Bit of a difference.

I'm also rather tired of her talking about her late husband, although it pales in comparison to Dorinda (almost called her Dorit--hate both of them). She was married to him for 4 years, and he's been dead for almost twenty. Why does she still have his name at this point? Oh, right, because the Radziwill name is recognizable and important, unlike DiFalco which probably just recalls her working class roots in upstate NY, which she is clearly trying to distance herself from.

At least know what you're talking about. The first half of "What Remains" is about her growing up in upstate New York and her family. She writes about them in glowing, loving terms and is obviously proud of her roots. Carole also writes in the second half of the book about the parts of being part of the Radziwill clan/wealth and glamour that she was never comfortable with. Now, she talks about being a Girl Scout and a Brownie and having rope swings and campfire experience on the show all the time.

NP. Regular viewer. Never miss an episode. I don't recall her ever mentioning this. So "all the time"? Doubt it.

She seems to have gotten over whatever prevented her from enjoying the wealth and glamour. She obviously puts a lot of thought and money into dressing like a 25 year old and she's on a show where a main objective is to show off outfits, hair/makeup, wealth, and generally be famous for doing nothing at all.

Of this cast, it seems like only Bethenny currently works. I do believe Ramona once worked. Either she's retired or they never show her working anymore. The rest of them? No.

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I think Carole’s take on the show is I’m above all this and all of you and I’m just dipping into this to have the experience and I’m going to observe and stay above the fray. Because really I’m a journalist/author/serious person, not a reality tv star. Let me remind you 100 times about how I used to have real jobs. A long, long time ago.

I thought she was refreshing in the beginning. Now I’m over her. She completely lacks self-awareness.

+1. Agreed.

I’m the PP who asked if this is her true self and I agree with this assessment. And she stopped working for ABC ~15 years ago. She is no longer a journalist

She's also a novelist. "What Remains" is phenomenal. I didn't read "Widow's Guide," but it was relatively recent. Isn't it pretty typical for writers to publish books at a slow pace?

Plus, what's been on her resume is very impressive. And she's very wealthy. Why can't she do as she pleases? Why can't she do projects that interest her as they come up, and enjoy her life?

She can do whatever she wants. But her journalism career was a long time ago. For a lack of expression, her work experience is no longer relevant. It's like high school football player who keeps talking about his glory days.

Now she's a reality tv star like the rest of them.

OK, I'm a former journalist whose byline appeared in the Washington Post more than 10 years ago. So I don't claim to be a journalist, because my highest pinnacle was a story about condo flipping in WaPo.

Carole is an Emmy and Peabody Award-winning journalist who has traveled the globe to cover stories in war zones. She gets to call herself a journalist for life. That's big time. That's ABC, that's network news in prime time. She can dine out on that for as long as she wants to, and no current or former member of the SPJ will ever say she's not a journalist.

It's like telling someone who hasn't practiced medicine in 10 years that he's no longer a doctor, when he used to be a heart surgeon.

Yeah, I just don't really agree with this. I think it's a bit pathetic. My spouse founded a company and was the CEO and sold it for many millions about 10 years ago. He doesn't walk around currently referring to himself as a CEO or talking about it all the time. It's the past.

Or the surgeon comparison. No discredit to journalists, but being a heart surgeon is a good deal more difficult and challenging. If I met a heart surgeon who hadn't practiced in over a decade and yet talked about it constantly and referred to it as a present-day career, I would think that person was disconnected from reality.

Well if someone went on national television and said he had no career and implied that he was basically good for nothing/had no business acumen, he might well talk about his experience as a successful CEO, right?

Heart surgery, of course, is more difficult than journalism, but it takes a lot of skill, hard work, perseverance and talent to be a journalist. And to be on the level of Emmy-level nightly network news is truly rare and truly exceptional.

She said Carole has no career. Present tense. She didn’t cast further aspersions. I think it’s harsh, but true.

Also she talks about the journalist stuff incessantly well before this.

I do agree what she did was rare and not easy.

She does talk about it incessantly, and does tend to put a bit of a spin on it. Not that they aren't great achievements, but the Emmys she won aren't her own personal ones--she was part of a team. It's like an actress who wins an Emmy for "Best Drama on TV", rather than "Best Actress on Evening Drama". Bit of a difference.

I'm also rather tired of her talking about her late husband, although it pales in comparison to Dorinda (almost called her Dorit--hate both of them). She was married to him for 4 years, and he's been dead for almost twenty. Why does she still have his name at this point? Oh, right, because the Radziwill name is recognizable and important, unlike DiFalco which probably just recalls her working class roots in upstate NY, which she is clearly trying to distance herself from.

At least know what you're talking about. The first half of "What Remains" is about her growing up in upstate New York and her family. She writes about them in glowing, loving terms and is obviously proud of her roots. Carole also writes in the second half of the book about the parts of being part of the Radziwill clan/wealth and glamour that she was never comfortable with. Now, she talks about being a Girl Scout and a Brownie and having rope swings and campfire experience on the show all the time.

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I think Carole’s take on the show is I’m above all this and all of you and I’m just dipping into this to have the experience and I’m going to observe and stay above the fray. Because really I’m a journalist/author/serious person, not a reality tv star. Let me remind you 100 times about how I used to have real jobs. A long, long time ago.

I thought she was refreshing in the beginning. Now I’m over her. She completely lacks self-awareness.

+1. Agreed.

I’m the PP who asked if this is her true self and I agree with this assessment. And she stopped working for ABC ~15 years ago. She is no longer a journalist

She's also a novelist. "What Remains" is phenomenal. I didn't read "Widow's Guide," but it was relatively recent. Isn't it pretty typical for writers to publish books at a slow pace?

Plus, what's been on her resume is very impressive. And she's very wealthy. Why can't she do as she pleases? Why can't she do projects that interest her as they come up, and enjoy her life?

She can do whatever she wants. But her journalism career was a long time ago. For a lack of expression, her work experience is no longer relevant. It's like high school football player who keeps talking about his glory days.

Now she's a reality tv star like the rest of them.

OK, I'm a former journalist whose byline appeared in the Washington Post more than 10 years ago. So I don't claim to be a journalist, because my highest pinnacle was a story about condo flipping in WaPo.

Carole is an Emmy and Peabody Award-winning journalist who has traveled the globe to cover stories in war zones. She gets to call herself a journalist for life. That's big time. That's ABC, that's network news in prime time. She can dine out on that for as long as she wants to, and no current or former member of the SPJ will ever say she's not a journalist.

It's like telling someone who hasn't practiced medicine in 10 years that he's no longer a doctor, when he used to be a heart surgeon.

Yeah, I just don't really agree with this. I think it's a bit pathetic. My spouse founded a company and was the CEO and sold it for many millions about 10 years ago. He doesn't walk around currently referring to himself as a CEO or talking about it all the time. It's the past.

Or the surgeon comparison. No discredit to journalists, but being a heart surgeon is a good deal more difficult and challenging. If I met a heart surgeon who hadn't practiced in over a decade and yet talked about it constantly and referred to it as a present-day career, I would think that person was disconnected from reality.

Well if someone went on national television and said he had no career and implied that he was basically good for nothing/had no business acumen, he might well talk about his experience as a successful CEO, right?

Heart surgery, of course, is more difficult than journalism, but it takes a lot of skill, hard work, perseverance and talent to be a journalist. And to be on the level of Emmy-level nightly network news is truly rare and truly exceptional.

She said Carole has no career. Present tense. She didn’t cast further aspersions. I think it’s harsh, but true.

Also she talks about the journalist stuff incessantly well before this.

I do agree what she did was rare and not easy.

She does talk about it incessantly, and does tend to put a bit of a spin on it. Not that they aren't great achievements, but the Emmys she won aren't her own personal ones--she was part of a team. It's like an actress who wins an Emmy for "Best Drama on TV", rather than "Best Actress on Evening Drama". Bit of a difference.

I'm also rather tired of her talking about her late husband, although it pales in comparison to Dorinda (almost called her Dorit--hate both of them). She was married to him for 4 years, and he's been dead for almost twenty. Why does she still have his name at this point? Oh, right, because the Radziwill name is recognizable and important, unlike DiFalco which probably just recalls her working class roots in upstate NY, which she is clearly trying to distance herself from.

At least know what you're talking about. The first half of "What Remains" is about her growing up in upstate New York and her family. She writes about them in glowing, loving terms and is obviously proud of her roots. Carole also writes in the second half of the book about the parts of being part of the Radziwill clan/wealth and glamour that she was never comfortable with. Now, she talks about being a Girl Scout and a Brownie and having rope swings and campfire experience on the show all the time.

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I think Carole’s take on the show is I’m above all this and all of you and I’m just dipping into this to have the experience and I’m going to observe and stay above the fray. Because really I’m a journalist/author/serious person, not a reality tv star. Let me remind you 100 times about how I used to have real jobs. A long, long time ago.

I thought she was refreshing in the beginning. Now I’m over her. She completely lacks self-awareness.

+1. Agreed.

I’m the PP who asked if this is her true self and I agree with this assessment. And she stopped working for ABC ~15 years ago. She is no longer a journalist

She's also a novelist. "What Remains" is phenomenal. I didn't read "Widow's Guide," but it was relatively recent. Isn't it pretty typical for writers to publish books at a slow pace?

Plus, what's been on her resume is very impressive. And she's very wealthy. Why can't she do as she pleases? Why can't she do projects that interest her as they come up, and enjoy her life?

She can do whatever she wants. But her journalism career was a long time ago. For a lack of expression, her work experience is no longer relevant. It's like high school football player who keeps talking about his glory days.

Now she's a reality tv star like the rest of them.

OK, I'm a former journalist whose byline appeared in the Washington Post more than 10 years ago. So I don't claim to be a journalist, because my highest pinnacle was a story about condo flipping in WaPo.

Carole is an Emmy and Peabody Award-winning journalist who has traveled the globe to cover stories in war zones. She gets to call herself a journalist for life. That's big time. That's ABC, that's network news in prime time. She can dine out on that for as long as she wants to, and no current or former member of the SPJ will ever say she's not a journalist.

It's like telling someone who hasn't practiced medicine in 10 years that he's no longer a doctor, when he used to be a heart surgeon.

Yeah, I just don't really agree with this. I think it's a bit pathetic. My spouse founded a company and was the CEO and sold it for many millions about 10 years ago. He doesn't walk around currently referring to himself as a CEO or talking about it all the time. It's the past.

Or the surgeon comparison. No discredit to journalists, but being a heart surgeon is a good deal more difficult and challenging. If I met a heart surgeon who hadn't practiced in over a decade and yet talked about it constantly and referred to it as a present-day career, I would think that person was disconnected from reality.

Well if someone went on national television and said he had no career and implied that he was basically good for nothing/had no business acumen, he might well talk about his experience as a successful CEO, right?

Heart surgery, of course, is more difficult than journalism, but it takes a lot of skill, hard work, perseverance and talent to be a journalist. And to be on the level of Emmy-level nightly network news is truly rare and truly exceptional.

She said Carole has no career. Present tense. She didn’t cast further aspersions. I think it’s harsh, but true.

Also she talks about the journalist stuff incessantly well before this.

I do agree what she did was rare and not easy.

She does talk about it incessantly, and does tend to put a bit of a spin on it. Not that they aren't great achievements, but the Emmys she won aren't her own personal ones--she was part of a team. It's like an actress who wins an Emmy for "Best Drama on TV", rather than "Best Actress on Evening Drama". Bit of a difference.

I'm also rather tired of her talking about her late husband, although it pales in comparison to Dorinda (almost called her Dorit--hate both of them). She was married to him for 4 years, and he's been dead for almost twenty. Why does she still have his name at this point? Oh, right, because the Radziwill name is recognizable and important, unlike DiFalco which probably just recalls her working class roots in upstate NY, which she is clearly trying to distance herself from.

At least know what you're talking about. The first half of "What Remains" is about her growing up in upstate New York and her family. She writes about them in glowing, loving terms and is obviously proud of her roots. Carole also writes in the second half of the book about the parts of being part of the Radziwill clan/wealth and glamour that she was never comfortable with. Now, she talks about being a Girl Scout and a Brownie and having rope swings and campfire experience on the show all the time.

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I think Carole’s take on the show is I’m above all this and all of you and I’m just dipping into this to have the experience and I’m going to observe and stay above the fray. Because really I’m a journalist/author/serious person, not a reality tv star. Let me remind you 100 times about how I used to have real jobs. A long, long time ago.

I thought she was refreshing in the beginning. Now I’m over her. She completely lacks self-awareness.

+1. Agreed.

I’m the PP who asked if this is her true self and I agree with this assessment. And she stopped working for ABC ~15 years ago. She is no longer a journalist

She's also a novelist. "What Remains" is phenomenal. I didn't read "Widow's Guide," but it was relatively recent. Isn't it pretty typical for writers to publish books at a slow pace?

Plus, what's been on her resume is very impressive. And she's very wealthy. Why can't she do as she pleases? Why can't she do projects that interest her as they come up, and enjoy her life?

She can do whatever she wants. But her journalism career was a long time ago. For a lack of expression, her work experience is no longer relevant. It's like high school football player who keeps talking about his glory days.

Now she's a reality tv star like the rest of them.

OK, I'm a former journalist whose byline appeared in the Washington Post more than 10 years ago. So I don't claim to be a journalist, because my highest pinnacle was a story about condo flipping in WaPo.

Carole is an Emmy and Peabody Award-winning journalist who has traveled the globe to cover stories in war zones. She gets to call herself a journalist for life. That's big time. That's ABC, that's network news in prime time. She can dine out on that for as long as she wants to, and no current or former member of the SPJ will ever say she's not a journalist.

It's like telling someone who hasn't practiced medicine in 10 years that he's no longer a doctor, when he used to be a heart surgeon.

Yeah, I just don't really agree with this. I think it's a bit pathetic. My spouse founded a company and was the CEO and sold it for many millions about 10 years ago. He doesn't walk around currently referring to himself as a CEO or talking about it all the time. It's the past.

Or the surgeon comparison. No discredit to journalists, but being a heart surgeon is a good deal more difficult and challenging. If I met a heart surgeon who hadn't practiced in over a decade and yet talked about it constantly and referred to it as a present-day career, I would think that person was disconnected from reality.

Well if someone went on national television and said he had no career and implied that he was basically good for nothing/had no business acumen, he might well talk about his experience as a successful CEO, right?

Heart surgery, of course, is more difficult than journalism, but it takes a lot of skill, hard work, perseverance and talent to be a journalist. And to be on the level of Emmy-level nightly network news is truly rare and truly exceptional.

She said Carole has no career. Present tense. She didn’t cast further aspersions. I think it’s harsh, but true.

Also she talks about the journalist stuff incessantly well before this.

I do agree what she did was rare and not easy.

She does talk about it incessantly, and does tend to put a bit of a spin on it. Not that they aren't great achievements, but the Emmys she won aren't her own personal ones--she was part of a team. It's like an actress who wins an Emmy for "Best Drama on TV", rather than "Best Actress on Evening Drama". Bit of a difference.

I'm also rather tired of her talking about her late husband, although it pales in comparison to Dorinda (almost called her Dorit--hate both of them). She was married to him for 4 years, and he's been dead for almost twenty. Why does she still have his name at this point? Oh, right, because the Radziwill name is recognizable and important, unlike DiFalco which probably just recalls her working class roots in upstate NY, which she is clearly trying to distance herself from.

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw Bethenny is selling her Hamptons home.

This is on top of buying and selling 3 NYC apartments in rapid succession. Why doesn't she settle down and create a HOME for her daughter?

Poor Bryn; hopefully she has some stability on her dad's side, as far as having a stable home goes.

Cycling through homes and friends--Jill, Carole, Sonja, Ramona--is this just Bethenny creating her chaotic childhood and relationship with her mom over and over again?

Considering that her ex is a psycho, probably not. Bethenny's primary home is in NYC. Her Hamptons house is just a vacation home.

You know this how? From Bethenny? Not exactly a credible source.

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw Bethenny is selling her Hamptons home.

This is on top of buying and selling 3 NYC apartments in rapid succession. Why doesn't she settle down and create a HOME for her daughter?

Poor Bryn; hopefully she has some stability on her dad's side, as far as having a stable home goes.

Cycling through homes and friends--Jill, Carole, Sonja, Ramona--is this just Bethenny creating her chaotic childhood and relationship with her mom over and over again?

Considering that her ex is a psycho, probably not. Bethenny's primary home is in NYC. Her Hamptons house is just a vacation home.

You know this how? From Bethenny? Not exactly a credible source.

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Anonymous wrote:Carole has also lost credibility by becoming so tight with Tinsley - someone who is a total lightweight and has never had any kind of a career and has nothing interesting or enlightening to say. I keep remembering how Carole bashsed Ramona for no knowing anything about the presidential election and how she didnt want her at her election night party. She basically called Ramona shallow and self-involved and stupid. And now Carole is hanging out wit.... Tinsley??

Carole is an opportunist with delusions of grandeur. Her glory days have long past and she is nothing but a reality show member now.

How can Carole stand Tinsley who flat out admitted she's not into voting and didn't vote in the recent presidential election? I think Tinsley is fun and sweet. Maybe not that smart and definitely not very mature. But she's okay. But I can NOT understand Carole liking her aside from the fact that they're both rich, unmarried, no kids, and on the same tv show and otherwise have no job.

The whole issue with Sonja and Tinsley needs to die a quiet death.

Anonymous wrote:Carole has also lost credibility by becoming so tight with Tinsley - someone who is a total lightweight and has never had any kind of a career and has nothing interesting or enlightening to say. I keep remembering how Carole bashsed Ramona for no knowing anything about the presidential election and how she didnt want her at her election night party. She basically called Ramona shallow and self-involved and stupid. And now Carole is hanging out wit.... Tinsley??

Carole is an opportunist with delusions of grandeur. Her glory days have long past and she is nothing but a reality show member now.