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Anonymous wrote:Why is DACA part of this entire thing anyway? Trump cancelled it - it was always supposed to be DEFERRED action anyway - with instructions for Congress to come up with a plan in March.

So why are the Democrats using this issue as a hostage to find the government? It's like they are saying, "give the DACA kids amnesty, or we will shut down the government." Are the Dems really willing to kick nearly 1 million Americans out of work, keep elderly Americans from getting their SS checks, keep military heroes from getting medical care, and hurting so many Americans in other ways, all to get what's best for kids who came here illegally? I get that they were kids, but really....what's the urgency NOW, other than the fact the D's can use a government shutdown as a threat?

Take the DACA issue off the table completely, and address it in March, as was the plan.

Trump needs his wall

Anonymous wrote:There is a federal order staying the Trump administration order on DACA.

So there is no urgency whatever. Just pass the CR and move on.

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Anonymous wrote:Moderate posting. I like the five-day-CR idea. Dems could force CHiP through with today's five-day-CR, and then insist that DACA fix be included in the next CR in late January. Repubs get to avoid causing a shutdown, Trump gets to claim victory, and Dems actually get all the legislative items they wanted. Everyone happy.

Indeed, maybe Dems should just keep stringing this along in 5-15 day increments, and insisting that Republicans pass bits of Dem legislation with each new CR. Republicans cannot develop an actual budget to pass, so Dems should use this Republican weakness to maximum advantage.

as a federal employee, i say NO to this. some of us travel quite a bit and it is impossible to plan ahead and travel to DO OUR JOB with these CRs dribbling in. no. shut the damn thing down, figure the crap out of the issues, and pass a budget so we can go back to work and do our jobs properly.

Another fed. Agree just shut the whole thing down, completely (except the very small part of the military that is actually defending the nation) and not partial shutdown. Give Americans a chance to really understand what government does. That’s the only way congress might get the wake up call that it needs. It has one critical job. Fund the government on time. They are four months overdue and playing games with lives.

DP. Yes, part of the problem is when the "government" goes through a "shut down" it is really only some things like parks and museums. If the government REALLY shut down then people would realize it is significant and perhaps Congress (on the whole) wouldn't screw around with it so much.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is DACA part of this entire thing anyway? Trump cancelled it - it was always supposed to be DEFERRED action anyway - with instructions for Congress to come up with a plan in March.

So why are the Democrats using this issue as a hostage to find the government? It's like they are saying, "give the DACA kids amnesty, or we will shut down the government." Are the Dems really willing to kick nearly 1 million Americans out of work, keep elderly Americans from getting their SS checks, keep military heroes from getting medical care, and hurting so many Americans in other ways, all to get what's best for kids who came here illegally? I get that they were kids, but really....what's the urgency NOW, other than the fact the D's can use a government shutdown as a threat?

Take the DACA issue off the table completely, and address it in March, as was the plan.

No the plan was to have a solution by March 5. If there's a CR for another month, they can avoid talking about DACA until 2 weeks before *poof* it's gone.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is DACA part of this entire thing anyway? Trump cancelled it - it was always supposed to be DEFERRED action anyway - with instructions for Congress to come up with a plan in March.

So why are the Democrats using this issue as a hostage to find the government? It's like they are saying, "give the DACA kids amnesty, or we will shut down the government." Are the Dems really willing to kick nearly 1 million Americans out of work, keep elderly Americans from getting their SS checks, keep military heroes from getting medical care, and hurting so many Americans in other ways, all to get what's best for kids who came here illegally? I get that they were kids, but really....what's the urgency NOW, other than the fact the D's can use a government shutdown as a threat?

Take the DACA issue off the table completely, and address it in March, as was the plan.

It is the Hispanic caucus and lobby that has Schumer and other Democrats by the you know what. They got themselves in this tight corner and don't know how to get out of it.

They should have taken the position that DACA would have to be dealt with separately but they just screwed up.

Uh, without the threat of a shutdown, the DS will never ever ever ever get anything from the Rs. Since Congress breaks promises to R senators, it seems likely that they would break any promises to D senators.

Anonymous wrote:Why is DACA part of this entire thing anyway? Trump cancelled it - it was always supposed to be DEFERRED action anyway - with instructions for Congress to come up with a plan in March.

So why are the Democrats using this issue as a hostage to find the government? It's like they are saying, "give the DACA kids amnesty, or we will shut down the government." Are the Dems really willing to kick nearly 1 million Americans out of work, keep elderly Americans from getting their SS checks, keep military heroes from getting medical care, and hurting so many Americans in other ways, all to get what's best for kids who came here illegally? I get that they were kids, but really....what's the urgency NOW, other than the fact the D's can use a government shutdown as a threat?

Take the DACA issue off the table completely, and address it in March, as was the plan.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Moderate posting. I like the five-day-CR idea. Dems could force CHiP through with today's five-day-CR, and then insist that DACA fix be included in the next CR in late January. Repubs get to avoid causing a shutdown, Trump gets to claim victory, and Dems actually get all the legislative items they wanted. Everyone happy.

Indeed, maybe Dems should just keep stringing this along in 5-15 day increments, and insisting that Republicans pass bits of Dem legislation with each new CR. Republicans cannot develop an actual budget to pass, so Dems should use this Republican weakness to maximum advantage.

as a federal employee, i say NO to this. some of us travel quite a bit and it is impossible to plan ahead and travel to DO OUR JOB with these CRs dribbling in. no. shut the damn thing down, figure the crap out of the issues, and pass a budget so we can go back to work and do our jobs properly.

Another fed. Agree just shut the whole thing down, completely (except the very small part of the military that is actually defending the nation) and not partial shutdown. Give Americans a chance to really understand what government does. That’s the only way congress might get the wake up call that it needs. It has one critical job. Fund the government on time. They are four months overdue and playing games with lives.

Anonymous wrote:Schumer says progress was made and Kelly told the GOP that Trump and Schumer did not come to any agreement.

Where does the truth lie?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is DACA part of this entire thing anyway? Trump cancelled it - it was always supposed to be DEFERRED action anyway - with instructions for Congress to come up with a plan in March.

So why are the Democrats using this issue as a hostage to find the government? It's like they are saying, "give the DACA kids amnesty, or we will shut down the government." Are the Dems really willing to kick nearly 1 million Americans out of work, keep elderly Americans from getting their SS checks, keep military heroes from getting medical care, and hurting so many Americans in other ways, all to get what's best for kids who came here illegally? I get that they were kids, but really....what's the urgency NOW, other than the fact the D's can use a government shutdown as a threat?

Take the DACA issue off the table completely, and address it in March, as was the plan.

It is the Hispanic caucus and lobby that has Schumer and other Democrats by the you know what. They got themselves in this tight corner and don't know how to get out of it.

They should have taken the position that DACA would have to be dealt with separately but they just screwed up.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is DACA part of this entire thing anyway? Trump cancelled it - it was always supposed to be DEFERRED action anyway - with instructions for Congress to come up with a plan in March.

So why are the Democrats using this issue as a hostage to find the government? It's like they are saying, "give the DACA kids amnesty, or we will shut down the government." Are the Dems really willing to kick nearly 1 million Americans out of work, keep elderly Americans from getting their SS checks, keep military heroes from getting medical care, and hurting so many Americans in other ways, all to get what's best for kids who came here illegally? I get that they were kids, but really....what's the urgency NOW, other than the fact the D's can use a government shutdown as a threat?

Take the DACA issue off the table completely, and address it in March, as was the plan.

It is the Hispanic caucus and lobby that has Schumer and other Democrats by the you know what. They got themselves in this tight corner and don't know how to get out of it.

They should have taken the position that DACA would have to be dealt with separately but they just screwed up.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Moderate posting. I like the five-day-CR idea. Dems could force CHiP through with today's five-day-CR, and then insist that DACA fix be included in the next CR in late January. Repubs get to avoid causing a shutdown, Trump gets to claim victory, and Dems actually get all the legislative items they wanted. Everyone happy.

Indeed, maybe Dems should just keep stringing this along in 5-15 day increments, and insisting that Republicans pass bits of Dem legislation with each new CR. Republicans cannot develop an actual budget to pass, so Dems should use this Republican weakness to maximum advantage.

as a federal employee, i say NO to this. some of us travel quite a bit and it is impossible to plan ahead and travel to DO OUR JOB with these CRs dribbling in. no. shut the damn thing down, figure the crap out of the issues, and pass a budget so we can go back to work and do our jobs properly.

Anonymous wrote:Why is DACA part of this entire thing anyway? Trump cancelled it - it was always supposed to be DEFERRED action anyway - with instructions for Congress to come up with a plan in March.

So why are the Democrats using this issue as a hostage to find the government? It's like they are saying, "give the DACA kids amnesty, or we will shut down the government." Are the Dems really willing to kick nearly 1 million Americans out of work, keep elderly Americans from getting their SS checks, keep military heroes from getting medical care, and hurting so many Americans in other ways, all to get what's best for kids who came here illegally? I get that they were kids, but really....what's the urgency NOW, other than the fact the D's can use a government shutdown as a threat?

Take the DACA issue off the table completely, and address it in March, as was the plan.

Anonymous wrote:Why is DACA part of this entire thing anyway? Trump cancelled it - it was always supposed to be DEFERRED action anyway - with instructions for Congress to come up with a plan in March.

So why are the Democrats using this issue as a hostage to find the government? It's like they are saying, "give the DACA kids amnesty, or we will shut down the government." Are the Dems really willing to kick nearly 1 million Americans out of work, keep elderly Americans from getting their SS checks, keep military heroes from getting medical care, and hurting so many Americans in other ways, all to get what's best for kids who came here illegally? I get that they were kids, but really....what's the urgency NOW, other than the fact the D's can use a government shutdown as a threat?

Take the DACA issue off the table completely, and address it in March, as was the plan.