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Unfortunately, it appears to me that the deceased woman's actions in the weeks prior to the shooting were a catalyst for what ultimately occurred. The fault is entirely the boy's, of course, since he fired the gun but it is entirely probable that a different, less antagonistic approach by the mother with the daughter and her boyfriend would have meant that both of the deceased would be alive now.

As time goes on and this case moves to prosecution we will learn more background. I will be interested in learning more about the dynamic between the two children. Most of the posts assume that the boy was the dominant figure in the relationship and that could be because he has exhibited these preferences that are so horrible, which makes him an easy target. But I wonder what compelled him to be in the house when she could just as easily have left the house?

All around it is a tragic incident and my heart breaks for the little boy who lost his parents in such a senseless act. That poor child.

+1. My thought as well.

The boy was unstable. I think if you are dealing with someone who is unstable and may have a propensity for violence, you don't act the way she did. You handle the situation quietly, maybe send your kid out of town for a while to get daughter away from the boy. You don't embarrass and humiliate the unstable person.

+1 As another poster said much further back in the thread, common sense dictates that you don't stick a stick into a hornets nest and start shaking it around. The entire situation escalated rapidly when it should have been de-escalating. When I read the paper the first day with the statement by the mom's mother about the "intervention" they staged and the letter to the school I thought "uh oh". Those usually are not the best tactics to use when working with TWO (both the boy and girl) unstable and high risk children. And, yes, I work with unstable and high risk children.

Disgusting. You don't blame the mother for PROTECTING her daughter, you blame the shooter and his parents for giving him access to a GUN.

You don't know that. No one knows whether the mother was protecting the daughter or grandstanding, and it will take months before law enforcement can confirm whether the daughter helped plan the murder.

Precisely. And how does anyone know where the gun came from? I haven't seen that identified anywhere. Don't make assumptions.

Currently people are laying blame entirely on the family of the young man who shot the gun yet no one posting here knows where it came from. Frankly, it could have come from the girl's house. Perhaps that is unlikely but we just don't know that either.

And as much as we can all abhor both children's radical political and societal stances, since the girl apparently supported his views, and subsequent actions, it is clear that there were mistakes made on both sides in the management of the children's relationship and care. Now two people are dead and one is critically injured.

There is a lot of one-sided postings making out one mom to be a saint and one apparently not but both characterizations seem unfair. The one took some imprudent actions and steps, and the other, well, we just don't know. Eventually it will all come out. In the meantime, I am sure that the law enforcement staff and medical providers are doing the best they can to sort it out and we need to allow them the opportunity to do that.

It is scary that this happened and we all need to hope for the best outcome for that young boy who is now an orphan. I really hope his parents had a Will and finances in good shape so that any additional trauma can be minimalized as he moves into his new normal.

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You don't know that. No one knows whether the mother was protecting the daughter or grandstanding, and it will take months before law enforcement can confirm whether the daughter helped plan the murder.

What has happened to us that taking a stand against NeoNazism, against hatred, is "grandstanding"?

Well, for those of us who recognize the victim's alleged actions as a shockingly ineffective way to prevent a hate-filled lunatic from taking their wallet, it's hard not to wonder whether the victim became so focused on keeping her property that she couldn't see the very real danger at hand.

How does that work for you?

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Anonymous wrote:GOP/t-rump is the party of ignorance, exclusion, racism and bigotry. Young white males are allowed to fester in their parents basements with their sense of entitlement and rage until it leaks out and destroys whole families and communities.

Isn't that what liberals have been fighting for? Congratulations. You win.

Uh no. Sorry, is that what FoxNews has been telling you?

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You don't know that. No one knows whether the mother was protecting the daughter or grandstanding, and it will take months before law enforcement can confirm whether the daughter helped plan the murder.

What has happened to us that taking a stand against NeoNazism, against hatred, is "grandstanding"?

Well, for those of us who recognize the mother's alleged actions as a shockingly ineffective way to intervene with a hate-filled lunatic, it's hard not to wonder whether the mother became so focused on the boyfriend's repugnant ideology that she couldn't see the very real danger at hand.

She was probably mainly worried that her daughter was going to run away with this kid. Her daughter was naive and impressionable and the boy was negative influence on her. I doubt that she ever considered he would come into their house and kill people.

Anonymous wrote:It’s been almost a week and we are still speculating on basic information: type of gun, how many shots, school, name of shooters family. Even with national coverage. Why is no one talking?

I've been checking the news every day for updates, but I can understand why they're not coming. Police have announced specifically that he'll be tried as a juvenile, which is a big statement given that he's 17, this is Virginia, and the crime is pretty heinous. If they're not going to make a run at trying him as an adult, it's because they know he has some specific capacity issues that would preventing them from showing he had full mental capacity to appreciate what he was doing. As a minor being tried as a juvenile, media outlets will generally have a policy against disclosing his identity or other readily identifying information without his parents' consent. Police will also release less information about crimes when juveniles are involved for a variety of reasons.

I also suspect that part of the reason information isn't coming out as gossip is that the teens probably attended a very small school for children with mental/emotional difficulties, which means they simply didn't have as wide a social as kids in public or a mainstream private would, and parents who knew them through the school are less inclined to talk lest it bring scrutiny upon their own children for attending the same school.

Anonymous wrote:GOP/t-rump is the party of ignorance, exclusion, racism and bigotry. Young white males are allowed to fester in their parents basements with their sense of entitlement and rage until it leaks out and destroys whole families and communities.

Isn't that what liberals have been fighting for? Congratulations. You win.

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You don't know that. No one knows whether the mother was protecting the daughter or grandstanding, and it will take months before law enforcement can confirm whether the daughter helped plan the murder.

What has happened to us that taking a stand against NeoNazism, against hatred, is "grandstanding"?

Well, for those of us who recognize the mother's alleged actions as a shockingly ineffective way to intervene with a hate-filled lunatic, it's hard not to wonder whether the mother became so focused on the boyfriend's repugnant ideology that she couldn't see the very real danger at hand.

Huh? His ideology is Naziism. I'm pretty sure she saw the real danger here, genius. But yeah, you think that she was maybe "grandstanding"?. What is the matter with you? Let's hope the police are not as stupid as you clearly are.

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Unfortunately, it appears to me that the deceased woman's actions in the weeks prior to the shooting were a catalyst for what ultimately occurred. The fault is entirely the boy's, of course, since he fired the gun but it is entirely probable that a different, less antagonistic approach by the mother with the daughter and her boyfriend would have meant that both of the deceased would be alive now.

As time goes on and this case moves to prosecution we will learn more background. I will be interested in learning more about the dynamic between the two children. Most of the posts assume that the boy was the dominant figure in the relationship and that could be because he has exhibited these preferences that are so horrible, which makes him an easy target. But I wonder what compelled him to be in the house when she could just as easily have left the house?

All around it is a tragic incident and my heart breaks for the little boy who lost his parents in such a senseless act. That poor child.

+1. My thought as well.

The boy was unstable. I think if you are dealing with someone who is unstable and may have a propensity for violence, you don't act the way she did. You handle the situation quietly, maybe send your kid out of town for a while to get daughter away from the boy. You don't embarrass and humiliate the unstable person.

+1 As another poster said much further back in the thread, common sense dictates that you don't stick a stick into a hornets nest and start shaking it around. The entire situation escalated rapidly when it should have been de-escalating. When I read the paper the first day with the statement by the mom's mother about the "intervention" they staged and the letter to the school I thought "uh oh". Those usually are not the best tactics to use when working with TWO (both the boy and girl) unstable and high risk children. And, yes, I work with unstable and high risk children.

Disgusting. You don't blame the mother for PROTECTING her daughter, you blame the shooter and his parents for giving him access to a GUN.

You don't know that. No one knows whether the mother was protecting the daughter or grandstanding, and it will take months before law enforcement can confirm whether the daughter helped plan the murder.

Grandstanding?!? WTF? You are disgusting.

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Unfortunately, it appears to me that the deceased woman's actions in the weeks prior to the shooting were a catalyst for what ultimately occurred. The fault is entirely the boy's, of course, since he fired the gun but it is entirely probable that a different, less antagonistic approach by the mother with the daughter and her boyfriend would have meant that both of the deceased would be alive now.

As time goes on and this case moves to prosecution we will learn more background. I will be interested in learning more about the dynamic between the two children. Most of the posts assume that the boy was the dominant figure in the relationship and that could be because he has exhibited these preferences that are so horrible, which makes him an easy target. But I wonder what compelled him to be in the house when she could just as easily have left the house?

All around it is a tragic incident and my heart breaks for the little boy who lost his parents in such a senseless act. That poor child.

+1. My thought as well.

The boy was unstable. I think if you are dealing with someone who is unstable and may have a propensity for violence, you don't act the way she did. You handle the situation quietly, maybe send your kid out of town for a while to get daughter away from the boy. You don't embarrass and humiliate the unstable person.

+1 As another poster said much further back in the thread, common sense dictates that you don't stick a stick into a hornets nest and start shaking it around. The entire situation escalated rapidly when it should have been de-escalating. When I read the paper the first day with the statement by the mom's mother about the "intervention" they staged and the letter to the school I thought "uh oh". Those usually are not the best tactics to use when working with TWO (both the boy and girl) unstable and high risk children. And, yes, I work with unstable and high risk children.

Yes, I had a similar *facepalm* moment when I read how the mother handled the situation. Like others have said, that doesn't absolve the murderer of his guilt in committing the crime. DCUM wants to canonize Buckley as a noble warrior for her intolerance of Nazism (a good thing), and is quick to say that she isn't responsible for how any actions of the murderer (also true). Yet, on the other hand, DCUM wants to burn the parents of the murder at stake for not knowing exactly how to handle their murderous, unstable child, and possibly owning a gun (which we don't even know to be true).

Naturally, the murder must be their fault of the murderer's parents because they are Republicans! DCUM at it's finest, ladies and gentlemen!

Meanwhile, it seems that the victim mother raised a child who was unstable enough to get involved with a murderous Nazi. Yet, none of my Republican friends have kids who are dating a Nazi who mows swastikas into lawns for sport. And it seems the mother also took multiple actions to enrage the murderer in the weeks leading up to her death.

This all leads us to the us to the only reasonable conclusion, which is that it is Trump's fault. Right.

Well he does embolden the NeoNazis and gun nuts. So...

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Anonymous wrote:of course he is being labeled mentally ill- he is white, male and from an affluent area.

This is a terrible tragedy and of course, he will be treated differently because of his white privilege. I hope his parents get charged for the gun.

Agreed. I'm white. There is always this lone wolf mentally ill thing said about white male killers. Sounds in fact like the boy and the daughter clearly had mental health issues that got them to this point. Whole thing is scary

Yeah way to miss the point, PP. 1st post is saying that we assume mental illness when the person is white--that is a wrong assumption. He is just a violent a**hole with a gun. If this crime had been committed by a black guy, no way would your first assumption be that he is mentally ill. You'd think: "ah, black people are all violent, just throw him in jail."

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Anonymous wrote:^^NBC4 spoke to a relative of the boyfriend who stated he was mentally ill.

Of course he was mentally ill, he was white. He obviously wasn't radicalized.

Of course! White people can't be radicalized by Naziism--we're too smart for that. We can't be terrorists! That's only for the browns and blacks with the whole muslim thing.

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You don't know that. No one knows whether the mother was protecting the daughter or grandstanding, and it will take months before law enforcement can confirm whether the daughter helped plan the murder.

What has happened to us that taking a stand against NeoNazism, against hatred, is "grandstanding"?

Well, for those of us who recognize the mother's alleged actions as a shockingly ineffective way to intervene with a hate-filled lunatic, it's hard not to wonder whether the mother became so focused on the boyfriend's repugnant ideology that she couldn't see the very real danger at hand.

Anonymous wrote:It’s been almost a week and we are still speculating on basic information: type of gun, how many shots, school, name of shooters family. Even with national coverage. Why is no one talking?

Because it won’t paint the daughter in a good light.

It’s been almost a week and we are still speculating on basic information: type of gun, how many shots, school, name of shooters family. Even with national coverage. Why is no one talking?

GOP/t-rump is the party of ignorance, exclusion, racism and bigotry. Young white males are allowed to fester in their parents basements with their sense of entitlement and rage until it leaks out and destroys whole families and communities.