What planning unit contains the affordable housing at Buckingham? Is that in play?

This thread has got me looking at north Arlington real estate. I'm surprised at the number of homes my family could afford, zoned Yorktown.
So I've learned from this thread that WL is the truly sought after school in Arlington. Everyone is losing their minds at the prospect of being zoned to Yorktown or Wakefield. I assume for different reasons. I'm not crazy about Yorktown and our commute would suck, but we will have to consider moving into 22207 if Wakefield gets worse. We are ... cautiously ok with it now. I don't think I'd tolerate even a small shift in the wrong direction.

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty much anyone arguing for strictly geography to be considered. Also, it's mostly classism. So there's that.

Bullshit. The is efficiency, contiguity and alignment which most people would probably list if not even looking at any sort of demographic numbers. My spouse looked at the demographics that were available outside of just the free lunch data and the fact of the matter is that most if the poorer neighborhoods are clustered in the south do it is really difficult to achieve balance among all 3 schools. As others have noted in prior postings above the county is largely to blame for approving all of the affirdable units in the south with no requirement to factor in how this impacts the current school system.

BS. I chose W-L after having gone to a similarity diverse (but good academically) HS filled with kids of different races and SES backgrounds. I bought a house before my kids started Kindergartem zoned specifically for W-L, as well as another diverse N Arlington elementary school.

My kids walk to elementary and we planned to have them walk to WL in coming years. We are 0.97 miles through neighborhoods to W-L, but our planning unit (a chunk out of the middle of a cohesive neighborhood) is under consideration for a move to Yorktown. The distance ranges from 1.0-1.6 miles.

If I were racist, I'd be ecstatic instead of upset.

We are in the same boat as you. Don't want to possibly move to yorktown. But the more honest quwstion us how would you feel about moving to wakefield. Also you also showed support that you want contiguity, efficiency and alignment.

I want to maintain my walkability to HS. Wakefield is an even longer bus ride. Much longer.

I didn't pay $1 million+ for Wakefield. For the County to take walkers and instead add 45 min to and from their homes in the morning (waiting for bus; bus stops, etc) is a County that is not thinking properly--especially when they made such a big deal about more sleep for HS students. It's untenable to use my children to support their social objective and increase the amount of bussing when they claim to want AC as car-free as possible.

You didn't pay $1 million for any school. You bought a house. The end.

I am not the poster above who said they paid $1 million so they wouldn't have to be in Wakefield, but it's also true that housing prices are strongly tied to school zones. To say it's not true, is naive.

I didn't say that housing prices are not influenced by schools. I'm not some rube who just fell from a turnip truck passing through Arlington.

I simply stated that things change and you have no more right to attend the school you were zoned for at the time of house purchase because you paid $1 million than someone who paid a mere $700,000. It doesn't work like that. The only way to guarantee a school through money is by paying tuition at a private school. It was your mistake not to realize this.

Sounds like you are somewhere between WL and Wakefield. Too bad for you. We are way further north. so yeah, our $1 million+ was well spent.

Nope, my PU isn't under consideration for a move. I just don't think anyone is any more or less entitled to a public school based on the price paid for a home. I can get on board with proximity being a factor, one of many, but not housing prices.

The proximity to a good HS is always part of the price.

AND IT'S NOT A GUARANTEE.

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Anonymous wrote:And ps- reading thread like this, with you whiny little North Arlington b*tches is why I haven't moved north.

Yet you want your kids out of Wakefield...

Enjoy!

And now S Arlington is the whiny little bitch crying unfair?

Please stop posting. You are making north Arlington look petty and stupid. I have friends that live near Arlington Ridge, and they will have no trouble buying a home north. They'll give up metro or whatever. I have friends all over Arlington, and while they may have to give up some positive aspects of their current house, they can all afford North Arlington. If people happily living in the Wakefield zone move north, we are all f#€ked.
This county can't afford a failing Wakefield. There are enough people willing to give it a shot now. That will change if the demographics slide toward majority Farm's students. How are you people not understanding this?

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty much anyone arguing for strictly geography to be considered. Also, it's mostly classism. So there's that.

Bullshit. The is efficiency, contiguity and alignment which most people would probably list if not even looking at any sort of demographic numbers. My spouse looked at the demographics that were available outside of just the free lunch data and the fact of the matter is that most if the poorer neighborhoods are clustered in the south do it is really difficult to achieve balance among all 3 schools. As others have noted in prior postings above the county is largely to blame for approving all of the affirdable units in the south with no requirement to factor in how this impacts the current school system.

BS. I chose W-L after having gone to a similarity diverse (but good academically) HS filled with kids of different races and SES backgrounds. I bought a house before my kids started Kindergartem zoned specifically for W-L, as well as another diverse N Arlington elementary school.

My kids walk to elementary and we planned to have them walk to WL in coming years. We are 0.97 miles through neighborhoods to W-L, but our planning unit (a chunk out of the middle of a cohesive neighborhood) is under consideration for a move to Yorktown. The distance ranges from 1.0-1.6 miles.

If I were racist, I'd be ecstatic instead of upset.

We are in the same boat as you. Don't want to possibly move to yorktown. But the more honest quwstion us how would you feel about moving to wakefield. Also you also showed support that you want contiguity, efficiency and alignment.

I want to maintain my walkability to HS. Wakefield is an even longer bus ride. Much longer.

I didn't pay $1 million+ for Wakefield. For the County to take walkers and instead add 45 min to and from their homes in the morning (waiting for bus; bus stops, etc) is a County that is not thinking properly--especially when they made such a big deal about more sleep for HS students. It's untenable to use my children to support their social objective and increase the amount of bussing when they claim to want AC as car-free as possible.

You didn't pay $1 million for any school. You bought a house. The end.

I am not the poster above who said they paid $1 million so they wouldn't have to be in Wakefield, but it's also true that housing prices are strongly tied to school zones. To say it's not true, is naive.

I didn't say that housing prices are not influenced by schools. I'm not some rube who just fell from a turnip truck passing through Arlington.

I simply stated that things change and you have no more right to attend the school you were zoned for at the time of house purchase because you paid $1 million than someone who paid a mere $700,000. It doesn't work like that. The only way to guarantee a school through money is by paying tuition at a private school. It was your mistake not to realize this.

Sounds like you are somewhere between WL and Wakefield. Too bad for you. We are way further north. so yeah, our $1 million+ was well spent.

Nope, my PU isn't under consideration for a move. I just don't think anyone is any more or less entitled to a public school based on the price paid for a home. I can get on board with proximity being a factor, one of many, but not housing prices.

The proximity to a good HS is always part of the price.

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty much anyone arguing for strictly geography to be considered. Also, it's mostly classism. So there's that.

Bullshit. The is efficiency, contiguity and alignment which most people would probably list if not even looking at any sort of demographic numbers. My spouse looked at the demographics that were available outside of just the free lunch data and the fact of the matter is that most if the poorer neighborhoods are clustered in the south do it is really difficult to achieve balance among all 3 schools. As others have noted in prior postings above the county is largely to blame for approving all of the affirdable units in the south with no requirement to factor in how this impacts the current school system.

BS. I chose W-L after having gone to a similarity diverse (but good academically) HS filled with kids of different races and SES backgrounds. I bought a house before my kids started Kindergartem zoned specifically for W-L, as well as another diverse N Arlington elementary school.

My kids walk to elementary and we planned to have them walk to WL in coming years. We are 0.97 miles through neighborhoods to W-L, but our planning unit (a chunk out of the middle of a cohesive neighborhood) is under consideration for a move to Yorktown. The distance ranges from 1.0-1.6 miles.

If I were racist, I'd be ecstatic instead of upset.

We are in the same boat as you. Don't want to possibly move to yorktown. But the more honest quwstion us how would you feel about moving to wakefield. Also you also showed support that you want contiguity, efficiency and alignment.

I want to maintain my walkability to HS. Wakefield is an even longer bus ride. Much longer.

I didn't pay $1 million+ for Wakefield. For the County to take walkers and instead add 45 min to and from their homes in the morning (waiting for bus; bus stops, etc) is a County that is not thinking properly--especially when they made such a big deal about more sleep for HS students. It's untenable to use my children to support their social objective and increase the amount of bussing when they claim to want AC as car-free as possible.

You didn't pay $1 million for any school. You bought a house. The end.

I am not the poster above who said they paid $1 million so they wouldn't have to be in Wakefield, but it's also true that housing prices are strongly tied to school zones. To say it's not true, is naive.

I didn't say that housing prices are not influenced by schools. I'm not some rube who just fell from a turnip truck passing through Arlington.

I simply stated that things change and you have no more right to attend the school you were zoned for at the time of house purchase because you paid $1 million than someone who paid a mere $700,000. It doesn't work like that. The only way to guarantee a school through money is by paying tuition at a private school. It was your mistake not to realize this.

Sounds like you are somewhere between WL and Wakefield. Too bad for you. We are way further north. so yeah, our $1 million+ was well spent.

Nope, my PU isn't under consideration for a move. I just don't think anyone is any more or less entitled to a public school based on the price paid for a home. I can get on board with proximity being a factor, one of many, but not housing prices.

Anonymous wrote:Was anyone able to attend last night's session at Yorktown? I don't see any notes up yet on the website. I don't think they live-streamed it, like they did for the W-L meeting, so probably no video either.

I'm also curious how the Spanish meeting went on Saturday.

I don't think they live streamed the meeting from last Saturday either, so no video. For what it's worth, I attended the first meeting at W-L. After the meeting I spoke to someone (not sure of name, but he had a name tag on that identified him as an "APS Ambassador" or something like that), and he said that he'd been hearing from members of the Latino community at W-L that they don't want to be moved. They like W-L. (I think he said something like they, too, believe it is a better, more "academic" school).

Anonymous wrote:And ps- reading thread like this, with you whiny little North Arlington b*tches is why I haven't moved north.

No. It is because you couldn't afford it.

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Anonymous wrote:People need to get their heads out of their asses and use their brains. If they don't take demographics into consideration, what exactly do they think is going to happen to WL in a couple of years? More and more people are going to try and shoehorn into whatever the new boundary is, especially if they increase the Wakefield FARMS rate. Hell, I bought for a home zoned Wakefield and have been totally fine with it, but I'll move in bounds for WL when the time comes, if Wakefield's demographics deteriorate.
We'll be right back where we started. It's a system wide problem, and has to be addressed as such.

Do you really think everyone will be successful at selling their homes in s. Arlington and moving to north? If thry could have they already would be here.

Yes, you ignorant snob, I do. If Wakefield becomes a no go school for every home buyer, you will also have new residents to Arlington not considering south Arlington and crowding into the North in even greater numbers. Use your brain.

THIS, FOR THE CHEAP SEATS.

And plus also, the county cannot afford to destabilize one of its three high schools, and tank the housing values of thousands of property owners zoned Wakefield. The county relies on the taxes, based on real estate assessments, to fund services to all parts of Arlington. If every home in south Arlington zoned Wakefield suddenly depreciates, the county will have less money for the services all residents enjoy. Good luck getting a fourth HS of any kind then. Bye, bye, additional 1300 seats.

There never was going to be a 4th high school.

If you bought in Wakefield zone, you knew what it would do for your home value. Don't act surprised now.

We had the same bleeding heart neighbors in DC---so hipster and proud of buying in an area with bad schools--until High School came around. Then, they wanted to blame everyone else for their bad purchase.

I don't have kids anywhere near HS, but we plan to stay here through HS because we like our house, our neighbors, and we like our zoned schools, including Wakefield. I'm not sure why you feel the need to crap on others in Arlington, especially the neighbors in your own civic association. You were never promised a thing about schools when you bought your house. Neither was I. This process has to address the needs of all Arlington students and does not owe any undue consideration to any one neighborhood (cough:: Arlington Forest North :: cough) among the 62 civic associations that will all be affected by these changes.

Was anyone able to attend last night's session at Yorktown? I don't see any notes up yet on the website. I don't think they live-streamed it, like they did for the W-L meeting, so probably no video either.

I'm also curious how the Spanish meeting went on Saturday.

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Anonymous wrote:They need to accept that busing needs to happen.

They need to draw boundary lines vertically not horizontally thus fixing the diversity and too high of FARMS rate in any one school.

Who is they? Have you taken a look at the locations if the schools? Most of yorktown with the exception of a few planning units and the island are 1.5 miles from thst school. I am in WL. I do not think moving a lot of those kids away from that school makes sense. Now the island may make sense. But people are delusional if they think everyonr should be zipping across town in the name of diversity when their closer schools are less than 2 miles away from them. There are 5 other factors on there not just diversity. It was your choice to move where you did. Why should lots of other kids have to rearranged because you regret your decision.

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Anonymous wrote:And ps- reading thread like this, with you whiny little North Arlington b*tches is why I haven't moved north.

No one will ever receive sympathy for their cause by behaving like this. I am not pp but your attitude is reprehensible. There is no reason that this discussion cannot remain civil.

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Anonymous wrote:They need to accept that busing needs to happen.

They need to draw boundary lines vertically not horizontally thus fixing the diversity and too high of FARMS rate in any one school.

Who is they? Have you taken a look at the locations if the schools? Most of yorktown with the exception of a few planning units and the island are 1.5 miles from thst school. I am in WL. I do not think moving a lot of those kids away from that school makes sense. Now the island may make sense. But people are delusional if they think everyonr should be zipping across town in the name of diversity when their closer schools are less than 2 miles away from them. There are 5 other factors on there not just diversity. It was your choice to move where you did. Why should lots of other kids have to rearranged because you regret your decision.

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Anonymous wrote:And ps- reading thread like this, with you whiny little North Arlington b*tches is why I haven't moved north.

Yet you want your kids out of Wakefield...

Enjoy!

And now S Arlington is the whiny little bitch crying unfair?

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Anonymous wrote:People need to get their heads out of their asses and use their brains. If they don't take demographics into consideration, what exactly do they think is going to happen to WL in a couple of years? More and more people are going to try and shoehorn into whatever the new boundary is, especially if they increase the Wakefield FARMS rate. Hell, I bought for a home zoned Wakefield and have been totally fine with it, but I'll move in bounds for WL when the time comes, if Wakefield's demographics deteriorate.
We'll be right back where we started. It's a system wide problem, and has to be addressed as such.

Do you really think everyone will be successful at selling their homes in s. Arlington and moving to north? If thry could have they already would be here.

Yes, you ignorant snob, I do. If Wakefield becomes a no go school for every home buyer, you will also have new residents to Arlington not considering south Arlington and crowding into the North in even greater numbers. Use your brain.

THIS, FOR THE CHEAP SEATS.

And plus also, the county cannot afford to destabilize one of its three high schools, and tank the housing values of thousands of property owners zoned Wakefield. The county relies on the taxes, based on real estate assessments, to fund services to all parts of Arlington. If every home in south Arlington zoned Wakefield suddenly depreciates, the county will have less money for the services all residents enjoy. Good luck getting a fourth HS of any kind then. Bye, bye, additional 1300 seats.

There never was going to be a 4th high school.

If you bought in Wakefield zone, you knew what it would do for your home value. Don't act surprised now.

We had the same bleeding heart neighbors in DC---so hipster and proud of buying in an area with bad schools--until High School came around. Then, they wanted to blame everyone else for their bad purchase.