I see since the "He was reaching in the car" argument about the shooting in Tulsa was proven to be some bullshit everyone has abandoned the defense of that officer and now they're jumping on the "He had a gun" bandwagon.

Lol - y'all too pressed.

Video reportedly filmed by Mr.Scott's daughter. Very graphic language warning.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7orooPJsrSU

Anonymous wrote:Oops meant with :27 left in the video you can see it..so about a minute and a half in

Yes indeed - there is the gun right there - just as the police have said all along.

In contrast, the family claims there never was a gun; that he only had a book. They are liars, obviously. Everyone can see the gun laying right there on the ground next to him.

And the police asked him over and over. His wife asked him over and over, speaking of which:



The new video (filmed by the wife and released by her) has audio of her saying:

"KEITH, DONT DO IT!" "KEITH KEITH KEITH - DONT YOU DO IT!"

What is she telling him not to do? This was not an unlawful use of force from what I've seen.

And again: THE OFFICER IS BLACK.

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Anonymous wrote:Once BLM came out with their list of "demands," which reeked of hostility - even hatred - toward whites, along with their anti-Israel rantings, I lost any modicum of respect for them. They should be out there on the airwaves, imploring the rioters to behave peacefully, lest they feed the very sterotypes they are trying to dispel. They were better last night - thanks, National Guard - but the previous two nights showed why police might be nervous around blacks and, in a freak-out moment, prematurely pull the trigger.

The bolded is my sentiments exactly. That is where the movement lost me.

What a coincidence...
Once I saw Rodney King get his ass kicked for 20 minutes with no attempt at apprehension - just an old fashioned ass-whupping by some good ol' boys with guns and badges that's when my mistrust of the police began.
And once I saw Eric Garner get choked out for (GASP!!) selling lose cigarettes that's when my mistrust of the police gained traction.
And once I saw Tamir Rice get blown away in 2 seconds with no hesitation and no attempt at deescalation (if it were indeed somebody waving a gun) that's when my mistrust of police gained grew.
And once I saw Walter Scott get shot in the back while running away and then saw the cop walk up and plant a gun next to him to fabricate some story about a struggle and/or a threat that's when my mistrust of police was certain.

Yeah that's why I posted and said oh maybe it's a glove.

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Screengrab from the new video.

If you think the thing on the grown by the black officer is a gun, I believe you are wrong. If you watch carefully, the black officer is dropping things while he is standing there. They are black and might be some sort of wrapper. He drops at least two. Moreover, that is not the location of the gun show in the earlier picture. Compare these two photos (one from the video that is similar to yours):

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Anonymous wrote:HELLO, PEOPLE!

THE OFFICER IS BLACK, OK? WHAT THE HELL IS ALL THE RIOTING FOR??!??

Someone upthread implied that the black officer might have become racist because he was under the influence of white racist cops. So even though a black cop did the killing, it's still the white man's fault.

No. what I said was, there are those who state that. I didn't imply it was true or that I believed it. And I think people say that because they have to fit it into their 'agenda'.

My mistake, then....you weren't referring specifically to yourself. But the point is the same. While you do not necessarily think the black cop could "turn" racist due to white influence, there are those who do. And, in those cases, whites are still being blamed for the bad action of blacks.

The two of you are having a discussion of a point that neither one of you -- nor any other poster here for the matter -- actually made. I've heard of straw men arguments, but this is ridiculous. One person invents a straw man, another quotes that person, then they discuss it among themselves. How about we just stick to things that have actually been said by actual posters rather than the imaginary ones that speak to you through your dog?

What is really ridiculous is the riots alleging racism, given that THE OFFICER IS BLACK!

BLM is ridiculous. It's proven itself a purely anti-police movement. All lives matter!

BLM is setting back race relations two generations.

I don't understand comments like this. BLM is not some marginalized, fringe group. Most educated, established black folks I know--which includes lawyers, physicians, PhDs--supports the movement in principle. And many open-minded non-black friends do too.

I like this IG photo of HBS students I saw today:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BKq6ucChZr3/

Once BLM came out with their list of "demands," which reeked of hostility - even hatred - toward whites, along with their anti-Israel rantings, I lost any modicum of respect for them. They should be out there on the airwaves, imploring the rioters to behave peacefully, lest they feed the very sterotypes they are trying to dispel. They were better last night - thanks, National Guard - but the previous two nights showed why police might be nervous around blacks and, in a freak-out moment, prematurely pull the trigger.

The bolded is my sentiments exactly. That is where the movement lost me.

I'm the PP who posted the new video. I'm looking at the video and I see that the police use black plastic gloves. Maybe the object I'm seeing is a glove?

Screengrab from the new video.

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BLM is setting back race relations two generations.

I don't understand comments like this. BLM is not some marginalized, fringe group. Most educated, established black folks I know--which includes lawyers, physicians, PhDs--supports the movement in principle. And many open-minded non-black friends do too.

There's nothing to understand.
Nothing spews from the lips of people afflicted with hard-headed ignorance and infected with high-horsed arrogance but nonsense.

Everyone thinks the "agitators" are the cause of the problem. They said the same thing in Mississippi during segregation. Why are these agitators stirring up trouble? The negro and the white are happy the way things are.

"The negro"?
Who is this Don King?
Got nothing to do with whites and blacks.
Revolves around the police and blacks - nothing happy about the state of those relations.

Hello, Their Police Chief and many of their cops ARE black.

And?
You give somebody with green skin and six eyes a gun and a badge and they're going to think that they have free reign to shit all over people.
Especially people who are by and large considered to be inferior because of they're impoverished.
Do you see black men in suits and ties living in relatively "decent" neighborhoods get beat up and shot?
No. They still get harassed to a greater extent than whites but they don't outright get treated like shit and subjected to uses of unnecessary force.
No. The fact that we dehumanize poor people coupled with the fact that blacks have been dehumanized from day one is what gives goons with guns and badges the gaul to pull the trigger so haphazardly.

Oops meant with :27 left in the video you can see it..so about a minute and a half in

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/charlotte-shooting-video-footage-shows-fatal-encounter-between-police-keith-n653426?cid=sm_tw

New video. :27 in you can see gun on the ground.

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BLM is setting back race relations two generations.

I don't understand comments like this. BLM is not some marginalized, fringe group. Most educated, established black folks I know--which includes lawyers, physicians, PhDs--supports the movement in principle. And many open-minded non-black friends do too.

There's nothing to understand.
Nothing spews from the lips of people afflicted with hard-headed ignorance and infected with high-horsed arrogance but nonsense.

Everyone thinks the "agitators" are the cause of the problem. They said the same thing in Mississippi during segregation. Why are these agitators stirring up trouble? The negro and the white are happy the way things are.

"The negro"?
Who is this Don King?
Got nothing to do with whites and blacks.
Revolves around the police and blacks - nothing happy about the state of those relations.

Hello, Their Police Chief and many of their cops ARE black.

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BLM is setting back race relations two generations.

I don't understand comments like this. BLM is not some marginalized, fringe group. Most educated, established black folks I know--which includes lawyers, physicians, PhDs--supports the movement in principle. And many open-minded non-black friends do too.

There's nothing to understand.
Nothing spews from the lips of people afflicted with hard-headed ignorance and infected with high-horsed arrogance but nonsense.

Everyone thinks the "agitators" are the cause of the problem. They said the same thing in Mississippi during segregation. Why are these agitators stirring up trouble? The negro and the white are happy the way things are.

"The negro"?
Who is this Don King?
Got nothing to do with whites and blacks.
Revolves around the police and blacks - nothing happy about the state of those relations.