jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It says % of muslims who want Sharia BUT NOT what percent of each country's population are muslims, which is more important. It makes NO DIFFERENCE if a country has only 1% of population who are middle east muslims, as in the USA. Statistics are only as good as the intelligence of the person who is reading it.

Also, what is meant by "supporting Sharia" is not clearly defined. There is not a single version of "sharia" documented and in most countries which have implemented a version of "sharia", it is only for personal issues. Does it really matter that 90% of a country's Muslims support Sharia but that only means that they want to get married and divorced according to Islamic traditions?

Doesn't Sharia Law mean the government makes people obey Sharia? We're not talking about people making personal decisions here. You know that.

What is "Sharia"? Where is it documented? If a government "makes people obey Sharia", what does that mean? Does that mean that the government ordains beheadings and amputations or does it mean that weddings are conducted according to Muslims traditions? Everyone talks about "sharia" as if it is documented like the US Constitution. That is not the case. In fact, discussing it that way is one of the surest signs that the person discussing it is unformed about what it even is.

Anonymous wrote:Just because there isn't evidence doesn't mean it isn't. Lots of Monday morning quarterbacks saying France or Intel Agencies failed and should have known... Not everyone is on the radar or has been caught doing something that leaves a trail

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It says % of muslims who want Sharia BUT NOT what percent of each country's population are muslims, which is more important. It makes NO DIFFERENCE if a country has only 1% of population who are middle east muslims, as in the USA. Statistics are only as good as the intelligence of the person who is reading it.

Also, what is meant by "supporting Sharia" is not clearly defined. There is not a single version of "sharia" documented and in most countries which have implemented a version of "sharia", it is only for personal issues. Does it really matter that 90% of a country's Muslims support Sharia but that only means that they want to get married and divorced according to Islamic traditions?

Doesn't Sharia Law mean the government makes people obey Sharia? We're not talking about people making personal decisions here. You know that.

What is "Sharia"? Where is it documented? If a government "makes people obey Sharia", what does that mean? Does that mean that the government ordains beheadings and amputations or does it mean that weddings are conducted according to Muslims traditions? Everyone talks about "sharia" as if it is documented like the US Constitution. That is not the case. In fact, discussing it that way is one of the surest signs that the person discussing it is unformed about what it even is.

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Anonymous wrote:They want Sharia law globally. They will not assimilate like other immigrant populations. There is zero regard for human life. Sharia law is incompatible with Western Civilization.

You can be sweet and nice and not go into their countries...and they'll still want you dead. The idea of personal freedom is a the antithesis to their religion. Hence, attacking France on its day of Freedom.

The killing of innocents wasn't even collateral damage in a wartime situation. It was murder.

White supremacists want to remove minorities from the USA. They want to implement their own WHITE only constitution. It doesn't mean they will get what they want. Middle eastern Muslims(not including black Muslims) are about 1% of the US population. If White racists who are more than 10% of US population can't get their wish fulfilled, how can a tiny Muslim population get sharia law in the USA. Get a grip. Like JFK said "we don't have anything to fear but fear itself".

You must be dense. Let's look at it another way.

A small country like Italy has 1,613,000 Muslims. That's over 30% of the population. Most live in the North. It is the second largest religion in Italy next to Catholicism. 

The US, by comparison, has about 3 million Muslims.

Here's a visual comparing size. Making new babies always grows a religion.

Show me the statistics of muslim birth rate in the USA. Please understand who is dense when you are showing irrelevant data to the USA and making comparison. statistics is only as good as the the intelligence of the person who is reading it.

Pew Research Center estimates that there were about 3.3 million Muslims of all ages living in the United States in 2015. This means that Muslims made up about 1% of the total U.S. population (about 322 million people in 2015), and we estimate that that share will double by 2050.

Since our first estimate of the size of the Muslim American population in 2007, we have seen a steady growth in both the number of Muslims in the U.S. and the percentage of the U.S. population that is Muslim.

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jsteele wrote:Honest question here and I would appreciate serious answers. Can anyone provide any evidence that this event was an act of terrorism? I mean, obviously it terrorized people, but a formal "act of terrorism" requires a bit more than that. In the US, our laws have several, though similar, definitions of terrorism. Here is how the USA Patriot defines terrorism: "activities that (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the U.S. or of any state; (B) appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S."

The Nice attack clearly meets "(A)" and "(C)" is immaterial to this discussion. But, "(B)" has three parts and I am not aware of any evidence suggesting that those factors exist.

Similarly, is there any evidence that this attack was motivated by religion? Many of us -- me included -- immediately jumped to the conclusion that this attack was an act of Islamic terrorism. Now, it appears that it may not have been terrorism at all, let alone Islamic terrorism.

They are reporting he was recently radicalized, extremely quickly. He could have not been connected, but he answered the call and committed the Terrorist act. To me, it's even scarier if it's not a 'formal' act. ISIS is making this idealogogyviral so it will reproduce on its own. It is harder to track and stop. It can happen anywhere with little prep time.

http://wjla.com/news/nation-world/islamic-state-group-claims-nice-attacker-as-a-soldier

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It says % of muslims who want Sharia BUT NOT what percent of each country's population are muslims, which is more important. It makes NO DIFFERENCE if a country has only 1% of population who are middle east muslims, as in the USA. Statistics are only as good as the intelligence of the person who is reading it.

Also, what is meant by "supporting Sharia" is not clearly defined. There is not a single version of "sharia" documented and in most countries which have implemented a version of "sharia", it is only for personal issues. Does it really matter that 90% of a country's Muslims support Sharia but that only means that they want to get married and divorced according to Islamic traditions?

Doesn't Sharia Law mean the government makes people obey Sharia? We're not talking about people making personal decisions here. You know that.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It says % of muslims who want Sharia BUT NOT what percent of each country's population are muslims, which is more important. It makes NO DIFFERENCE if a country has only 1% of population who are middle east muslims, as in the USA. Statistics are only as good as the intelligence of the person who is reading it.

Also, what is meant by "supporting Sharia" is not clearly defined. There is not a single version of "sharia" documented and in most countries which have implemented a version of "sharia", it is only for personal issues. Does it really matter that 90% of a country's Muslims support Sharia but that only means that they want to get married and divorced according to Islamic traditions?

Doesn't Sharia Law mean the government makes people obey Sharia? We're not talking about people making personal decisions here. You know that.

jsteele wrote:Honest question here and I would appreciate serious answers. Can anyone provide any evidence that this event was an act of terrorism? I mean, obviously it terrorized people, but a formal "act of terrorism" requires a bit more than that. In the US, our laws have several, though similar, definitions of terrorism. Here is how the USA Patriot defines terrorism: "activities that (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the U.S. or of any state; (B) appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S."

The Nice attack clearly meets "(A)" and "(C)" is immaterial to this discussion. But, "(B)" has three parts and I am not aware of any evidence suggesting that those factors exist.

Similarly, is there any evidence that this attack was motivated by religion? Many of us -- me included -- immediately jumped to the conclusion that this attack was an act of Islamic terrorism. Now, it appears that it may not have been terrorism at all, let alone Islamic terrorism.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They want Sharia law globally. They will not assimilate like other immigrant populations. There is zero regard for human life. Sharia law is incompatible with Western Civilization.

You can be sweet and nice and not go into their countries...and they'll still want you dead. The idea of personal freedom is a the antithesis to their religion. Hence, attacking France on its day of Freedom.

The killing of innocents wasn't even collateral damage in a wartime situation. It was murder.

White supremacists want to remove minorities from the USA. They want to implement their own WHITE only constitution. It doesn't mean they will get what they want. Middle eastern Muslims(not including black Muslims) are about 1% of the US population. If White racists who are more than 10% of US population can't get their wish fulfilled, how can a tiny Muslim population get sharia law in the USA. Get a grip. Like JFK said "we don't have anything to fear but fear itself".

You must be dense. Let's look at it another way.

A small country like Italy has 1,613,000 Muslims. That's over 30% of the population. Most live in the North. It is the second largest religion in Italy next to Catholicism. 

The US, by comparison, has about 3 million Muslims.

Here's a visual comparing size. Making new babies always grows a religion.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It says % of muslims who want Sharia BUT NOT what percent of each country's population are muslims, which is more important. It makes NO DIFFERENCE if a country has only 1% of population who are middle east muslims, as in the USA. Statistics are only as good as the intelligence of the person who is reading it.

Also, what is meant by "supporting Sharia" is not clearly defined. There is not a single version of "sharia" documented and in most countries which have implemented a version of "sharia", it is only for personal issues. Does it really matter that 90% of a country's Muslims support Sharia but that only means that they want to get married and divorced according to Islamic traditions?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They want Sharia law globally. They will not assimilate like other immigrant populations. There is zero regard for human life. Sharia law is incompatible with Western Civilization.

You can be sweet and nice and not go into their countries...and they'll still want you dead. The idea of personal freedom is a the antithesis to their religion. Hence, attacking France on its day of Freedom.

The killing of innocents wasn't even collateral damage in a wartime situation. It was murder.

Are the Muslims killing Brazilians or Argetinians or Canadians or Japanese. You get the picture. You can't expect civility when you are uncivil to them. Maybe you are the type that would like Chinese Military in TX and would gladly accept them and welcome them. But most Americans won't like foreign power in their backyard, as are any humans. You reap what you sow, Americans are no more special than anyone else to be exception to this rule.

The Muslims aren't Present in sheer #s of the countries they are attacking in Europe. Proximity and the flow of immigration. Duh.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They want Sharia law globally. They will not assimilate like other immigrant populations. There is zero regard for human life. Sharia law is incompatible with Western Civilization.

You can be sweet and nice and not go into their countries...and they'll still want you dead. The idea of personal freedom is a the antithesis to their religion. Hence, attacking France on its day of Freedom.

The killing of innocents wasn't even collateral damage in a wartime situation. It was murder.

White supremacists want to remove minorities from the USA. They want to implement their own WHITE only constitution. It doesn't mean they will get what they want. Middle eastern Muslims(not including black Muslims) are about 1% of the US population. If White racists who are more than 10% of US population can't get their wish fulfilled, how can a tiny Muslim population get sharia law in the USA. Get a grip. Like JFK said "we don't have anything to fear but fear itself".

Anonymous wrote:
It says % of muslims who want Sharia BUT NOT what percent of each country's population are muslims, which is more important. It makes NO DIFFERENCE if a country has only 1% of population who are middle east muslims, as in the USA. Statistics are only as good as the intelligence of the person who is reading it.